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I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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The issue isn't whether Gamberale was defrauded. It is whether or not Defkalion engaged in fraud. And that issue is probably moot anyways, because the only real thing someone could hope for is some cash in their pocket from a civil lawsuit. That isn't gonna happen because Defkalion is broke. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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In the quest for a more perfect truth, please identify who DGT has defrauded and of what? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:06 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't whether Gamberale was defrauded. It is whether or not Defkalion engaged in fraud. And that issue is probably moot anyways, because the only real thing someone could hope for is some cash in their pocket from a civil lawsuit. That isn't gonna happen because Defkalion is broke. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Why should I? I've simply noticed that you and Daniel Rocha have gone over the edge in the last few days. If you were in a real quest for a more perfect truth, you'd be re-examining the messages you've posted at Jed over the last few days. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In the quest for a more perfect truth, please identify who DGT has defrauded and of what? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:06 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The issue isn't whether Gamberale was defrauded. It is whether or not Defkalion engaged in fraud. And that issue is probably moot anyways, because the only real thing someone could hope for is some cash in their pocket from a civil lawsuit. That isn't gonna happen because Defkalion is broke. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge you'll be more attentive to your surroundings. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, and I have tried to understand how DGT can be a criminal organization as a cold fusion developer as Jed is asserting. I can not understand how a cold fusion developer can be criminal. I also have assured my opinion that Gamberale cannot be trusted. I understand that Gamberale is more a Judas than a whittle blower. It is tragic that most people will not give the developers of a prototype Cold fusion system the benefit of the doubt when errors occur or lack of expertize is shown in demos. Remember, Rossi has been accused of fraud often while he was learning the Ni/H ropes and the proper ways of demonstrating it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge you'll be more attentive to your surroundings. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, ***No, you have not. And besides that, all this other crap you've been posting about DGT is just plain wrong. Who has the time to argue against someone with an axe to grind? I don't. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, and I have tried to understand how DGT can be a criminal organization as a cold fusion developer as Jed is asserting. I can not understand how a cold fusion developer can be criminal. I also have assured my opinion that Gamberale cannot be trusted. I understand that Gamberale is more a Judas than a whittle blower. It is tragic that most people will not give the developers of a prototype Cold fusion system the benefit of the doubt when errors occur or lack of expertize is shown in demos. Remember, Rossi has been accused of fraud often while he was learning the Ni/H ropes and the proper ways of demonstrating it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge you'll be more attentive to your surroundings. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. ***Yet more evidence that you've gone off the deep end. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Jed is a respected member of our community, has great merits in the survival of classic Cold Fusion and has the right to have to have his opinion about everything, including that DGT has nothing. In this stage, pre-commercial this is more useful that supporting DGT/ The company had and has more problems with industrial espionage, sample theft, wise guys trying to discover basic secrets than with accusations of any type- all unfounded as you will see.. As I told, only facts as Hyperions on the market- can change anything essential- the Armageddon stage nears for what has started as the Cold Fusion Dream and went on a sooo tortuous, meandering way. Peter On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. ***Yet more evidence that you've gone off the deep end. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Hi Peter, Will see :-) Michel VandenbergheLENR-Cities CEO Mobile +33 689 300 935 http://www.lenr-cities.com Le Mercredi 21 mai 2014 9h47, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com a écrit : Jed is a respected member of our community, has great merits in the survival of classic Cold Fusion and has the right to have to have his opinion about everything, including that DGT has nothing. In this stage, pre-commercial this is more useful that supporting DGT/ The company had and has more problems with industrial espionage, sample theft, wise guys trying to discover basic secrets than with accusations of any type- all unfounded as you will see.. As I told, only facts as Hyperions on the market- can change anything essential- the Armageddon stage nears for what has started as the Cold Fusion Dream and went on a sooo tortuous, meandering way. Peter On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. ***Yet more evidence that you've gone off the deep end. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Dear Axil, first what is shown is not benign, but this does not say DGT is criminal from its inception. Desperate people do stupid things; Paranoid people do stupid things. The second is however that if it was a mistake, or even a temporary failure during a demo, and even if the demo was indeed tweaked as Luca describe, Defkalion had 9 month, in private or in public, to reassure Luca himself, and why not us. In the case, the case I judge as sign of huge lack of wisdom, that despite not answering to luca, Defkalion anyway have a working reactor in it's lab, it should let Luca test it (even if only calorimetry is allowed, only but all calorimetry method), or if they don't trust him, let a third party make a boiler test and inform Luca. I'm conscious that in that affair many millions have been burned, and more of Xanthoulis money than of Gamberaleal , so I don't estimate that it was a void scam story... however something irrational, desperate, paranoid, have happened... whether it was wishful thinking, self-delusion, conspiracy theories, it is no more our business. question is if it works or not. A boiler test made by a non physicist team (why not electricians and plumbers, experience in testing), would give a solid answer and no risk of IP leak. By the way I feel it is absurd to ask physicist to do calorimetry ... it is a job of plumbers, electricians, their engineer counter parts, petrochemist, boiler testers, or at worst of industry chemist. Physicist (true for nuclear physicists, less for others), as Beaudette explained, are incompetent in calorimetry, and are only good to find the theory, not to challenge the experimental results. 2014-05-21 8:54 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, and I have tried to understand how DGT can be a criminal organization as a cold fusion developer as Jed is asserting. I can not understand how a cold fusion developer can be criminal. I also have assured my opinion that Gamberale cannot be trusted. I understand that Gamberale is more a Judas than a whittle blower. It is tragic that most people will not give the developers of a prototype Cold fusion system the benefit of the doubt when errors occur or lack of expertize is shown in demos. Remember, Rossi has been accused of fraud often while he was learning the Ni/H ropes and the proper ways of demonstrating it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge you'll be more attentive to your surroundings. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Somebody wanted to know if there was a precedent for the authorities taking legal action in a cold fusion case. Well let's not neglect to consider crazy John Rohner and his Intelligentry corporation. Admittedly not cold fusion but definitely related. The Plasmic Transition Process descendent of the Papp Engine. Well John Rohner crossed some undefined line and was soundly busted by the SEC. All assets seized, fever dreams of bursting plasma transformed into feverish conspiracy theory sputterings about govt interference. Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Papp was grated a patent for the Papp engine and was in fact awarded patent of the year honors for his design and demonstration. IMHO, this patent puts the Papp engine in another category from cold fusion. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody wanted to know if there was a precedent for the authorities taking legal action in a cold fusion case. Well let's not neglect to consider crazy John Rohner and his Intelligentry corporation. Admittedly not cold fusion but definitely related. The Plasmic Transition Process descendent of the Papp Engine. Well John Rohner crossed some undefined line and was soundly busted by the SEC. All assets seized, fever dreams of bursting plasma transformed into feverish conspiracy theory sputterings about govt interference. Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. Of course it is! If Defkalion knows their machine does not work, but they are trying to sell it for millions of dollars, that is criminal fraud. Companies are often prosecuted for knowingly selling machines that do not work. - Jed
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Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. Exactly right. - Jed
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Well we could perform sort of a thought experiment and imagine that Defkalion had been issuing stock under the auspices of the SEC. My hunch is that at this point they would be at or over the undefined line that John Rohner crossed when he got busted. I think that what happened with Rohner was that several of his stockholders had suffered all they could take and loudly complained to the SEC which duly took action. The SEC complaint specifically stated that there was no evidence that Rohner's process was based in reality and was therefore fraudulent. And Rohner was loudly proclaiming that he had a functional device which he clearly did not. Still a little wiggle room left for Defkalion I would think, provided they are actually able to demonstrate something producing at least a little excess heat Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Papp was grated a patent for the Papp engine and was in fact awarded patent of the year honors for his design and demonstration. IMHO, this patent puts the Papp engine in another category from cold fusion. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody wanted to know if there was a precedent for the authorities taking legal action in a cold fusion case. Well let's not neglect to consider crazy John Rohner and his Intelligentry corporation. Admittedly not cold fusion but definitely related. The Plasmic Transition Process descendent of the Papp Engine. Well John Rohner crossed some undefined line and was soundly busted by the SEC. All assets seized, fever dreams of bursting plasma transformed into feverish conspiracy theory sputterings about govt interference. Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them.
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Isn't SEC something from US? DGT doesn't have business in US as far as I know. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: *Due diligence* is a term used for a number of concepts, involving either an investigation of a business or person prior to signing a contract, or an act with a certain standard of care. It can be a legal obligation, but the term will more commonly apply to voluntary investigations. A common example of due diligence in various industries is the process through which a potential acquirer evaluates a target system for an acquisition. *DGT is providing a technology, not a system in the same way that a software vendor provides an operating environment that software is developed on. Such a technology could be insufficient but not fraudulent.* On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. Of course it is! If Defkalion knows their machine does not work, but they are trying to sell it for millions of dollars, that is criminal fraud. Companies are often prosecuted for knowingly selling machines that do not work. - Jed
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IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to go on the Canadian stock market was that there was less supervision in Canada regarding potentially fraudulent stock market offerings than under the American SEC. There was that seemingly bright moment about a year ago when DFK was apparently ready to go public on the Canadian market. Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't SEC something from US? DGT doesn't have business in US as far as I know. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Perhaps the oil lobby was not so intense there and they had only to deal with nuclear authorities? 2014-05-21 11:53 GMT-03:00 Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com: IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to go on the Canadian stock market was that there was less supervision in Canada regarding potentially fraudulent stock market offerings than under the American SEC. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: The second is however that if it was a mistake, or even a temporary failure during a demo, and even if the demo was indeed tweaked as Luca describe, Defkalion had 9 month, in private or in public, to reassure Luca himself, and why not us. I agree. They should have given Gamberale the reports from the 12 scientists (assuming those reports exist). When this first happened, I heard there was a problem with flow rate a few days later. I assumed it was a glitch on the day of ICCF18. I figured they would fix it and try again. I posted messages here saying, they should practice, and then do another public demo. I never imagined they had never done it right! I stopped paying attention and I did not learn that until the Gamberale report came out. In the case, the case I judge as sign of huge lack of wisdom, that despite not answering to luca, Defkalion anyway have a working reactor in it's lab, it should let Luca test it (even if only calorimetry is allowed, only but all calorimetry method), or if they don't trust him, let a third party make a boiler test and inform Luca. Exactly. however something irrational, desperate, paranoid, have happened... whether it was wishful thinking, self-delusion, conspiracy theories, it is no more our business. If they make claims in public it is our business to some extent. A boiler test made by a non physicist team (why not electricians and plumbers, experience in testing), would give a solid answer and no risk of IP leak. Yes! By the way I feel it is absurd to ask physicist to do calorimetry ... it is a job of plumbers, electricians, their engineer counter parts, petrochemist, boiler testers, or at worst of industry chemist. Yes again, as I pointed out when I referenced Title 10, Part 430. - Jed
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I thanks Shell to have funded CNAM for a test in France. for Amoco to have let a skunkwork team test in their garage for ENI/SAIPEM to have sent staff to E-cat conferences, to ILENRS12... You know, Areva will do off-shore wind turbine. modern corps don't oppose revolution, they capture it. I am more afraid of néo-Malthusians and néo-luddites. 2014-05-21 16:58 GMT+02:00 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Perhaps the oil lobby was not so intense there and they had only to deal with nuclear authorities? 2014-05-21 11:53 GMT-03:00 Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com: IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to go on the Canadian stock market was that there was less supervision in Canada regarding potentially fraudulent stock market offerings than under the American SEC. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Why are you sure it was not to sabotage or just see the degree of threat? 2014-05-21 13:29 GMT-03:00 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com: I thanks Shell to have funded CNAM for a test in France. for Amoco to have let a skunkwork team test in their garage for ENI/SAIPEM to have sent staff to E-cat conferences, to ILENRS12... -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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It is irrelevant: 1. if DGT has the Canadian stock market to deal with or the Greek ditto. 2. if they have an idea (theory or experiment) that at some time will work. 3. if they will sue someone or be sued. . . .100 if xx They have been criticized for a year and they have not provided any real work to show they have anything of value as far as LENR goes. One does not have to give the benefit of doubt forever. As Axil is saying it is the buyers responsibility to do due diligence and it is done . Thay failed. Unfortunately they have caused great harm to the field of LENR. The likelihood that investors will support new ideas within this area is cut in half with each fraudulent behavior. You guys are better mathematicians than I am so you know Rohnert, DGT - we need no more. Let me just meet the objection I will hear; It is not proven they are fraudulent Unfortunately after a few proven frauds and a few entities with questionable promises DGT has easily past the limit. I appreciate (but cannot fully understand) the technical scientific discussions here. However, the business requirements are handled with to much lenience. I have said it before but only science is not going to reach the goal. The opposite is true that enough poor business behavior will make it impossible to reach the scientific/technology goal. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Why are you sure it was not to sabotage or just see the degree of threat? 2014-05-21 13:29 GMT-03:00 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com: I thanks Shell to have funded CNAM for a test in France. for Amoco to have let a skunkwork team test in their garage for ENI/SAIPEM to have sent staff to E-cat conferences, to ILENRS12... -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
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The handful of partners who will initially invest in the DGT technology will be entering into a joint venture where the partners will be evaluating much more than the technology. These partners will be looking at DGT as an organization that will be capable of providing continuing improvements to their nascent cold fusion technology over many years into the intermediate future at the forefront of that LENR science. These partners will be capable of testing DGT and adapting these systems to meet their own needs and evolving those systems to meet there current and future product requirements. DGT must be able to explain the finest and most obscure points of LENR science within a framework of a new unified scientific paradigm. The partners who do due diligence will evaluate the key personnel of DGT to insure that this technical and management team will provide cutting edge science into the indefinite future. This management will also include the security and intellectual protection of the HEMI technology which will insure a vanguard position in the field of LENR both now and into the foreseeable future. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
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The same level of horse manure is what the investors behind Glenn Curtiss said. He didn't need to invent the airplane. He didn't need to know squat about it. He just needed to improve on what was presented. And he stole the rest. History shows him to be the con man, and the Wright brothers to be the true heroes who were wronged by his patent abuses. There will be no doubt another terrible patent war surrounding LENR. Butmby next year, everyone knows that Rossi is the one who pushed this technology into open. Not the guys who admitted to stealing Rossi's secret. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The handful of partners who will initially invest in the DGT technology will be entering into a joint venture where the partners will be evaluating much more than the technology. These partners will be looking at DGT as an organization that will be capable of providing continuing improvements to their nascent cold fusion technology over many years into the intermediate future at the forefront of that LENR science. These partners will be capable of testing DGT and adapting these systems to meet their own needs and evolving those systems to meet there current and future product requirements. DGT must be able to explain the finest and most obscure points of LENR science within a framework of a new unified scientific paradigm. The partners who do due diligence will evaluate the key personnel of DGT to insure that this technical and management team will provide cutting edge science into the indefinite future. This management will also include the security and intellectual protection of the HEMI technology which will insure a vanguard position in the field of LENR both now and into the foreseeable future. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
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And Rossi stole Piantelli's secrets... On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The same level of horse manure is what the investors behind Glenn Curtiss said. He didn't need to invent the airplane. He didn't need to know squat about it. He just needed to improve on what was presented. And he stole the rest. History shows him to be the con man, and the Wright brothers to be the true heroes who were wronged by his patent abuses. There will be no doubt another terrible patent war surrounding LENR. Butmby next year, everyone knows that Rossi is the one who pushed this technology into open. Not the guys who admitted to stealing Rossi's secret. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The handful of partners who will initially invest in the DGT technology will be entering into a joint venture where the partners will be evaluating much more than the technology. These partners will be looking at DGT as an organization that will be capable of providing continuing improvements to their nascent cold fusion technology over many years into the intermediate future at the forefront of that LENR science. These partners will be capable of testing DGT and adapting these systems to meet their own needs and evolving those systems to meet there current and future product requirements. DGT must be able to explain the finest and most obscure points of LENR science within a framework of a new unified scientific paradigm. The partners who do due diligence will evaluate the key personnel of DGT to insure that this technical and management team will provide cutting edge science into the indefinite future. This management will also include the security and intellectual protection of the HEMI technology which will insure a vanguard position in the field of LENR both now and into the foreseeable future. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
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When did Rossi brag about such a thing? Defkalion BRAGGED. I doubt Rossi stole such secrets. And arguing with you is a fool's errand. Jed is right. You are wrong. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: And Rossi stole Piantelli's secrets... On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The same level of horse manure is what the investors behind Glenn Curtiss said. He didn't need to invent the airplane. He didn't need to know squat about it. He just needed to improve on what was presented. And he stole the rest. History shows him to be the con man, and the Wright brothers to be the true heroes who were wronged by his patent abuses. There will be no doubt another terrible patent war surrounding LENR. Butmby next year, everyone knows that Rossi is the one who pushed this technology into open. Not the guys who admitted to stealing Rossi's secret. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The handful of partners who will initially invest in the DGT technology will be entering into a joint venture where the partners will be evaluating much more than the technology. These partners will be looking at DGT as an organization that will be capable of providing continuing improvements to their nascent cold fusion technology over many years into the intermediate future at the forefront of that LENR science. These partners will be capable of testing DGT and adapting these systems to meet their own needs and evolving those systems to meet there current and future product requirements. DGT must be able to explain the finest and most obscure points of LENR science within a framework of a new unified scientific paradigm. The partners who do due diligence will evaluate the key personnel of DGT to insure that this technical and management team will provide cutting edge science into the indefinite future. This management will also include the security and intellectual protection of the HEMI technology which will insure a vanguard position in the field of LENR both now and into the foreseeable future. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
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Gamberalli is claiming that DGT applied a trick that mimics bubbling air of faulty pipes that increases the water bill. 2014-05-20 12:58 GMT-03:00 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (peter.gl...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rulehttps://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3Du1LhSYS8NAChYrtCyzxGb5aP%252Bfczj%252Bud7ulfpTkRtoCBWUaEsQyXvD34PNDiIJvyH0TYFWeHXZ92RXoCSSLk%252FZ%252FtEmzReS4uo1YOonmAo36%252BtMMtnVNcFjIhJYKOt%252FzF23HqZbEjhr%252Fnl7PGzXD49g%253D%253D%26key%3D8ZJlHIZU1CU4oeDLekxCU%252FvtKtnX5YtlKUMRmvAnA7A%253Dtc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001| More infohttp://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview-with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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It is a big joke. Letterman would have a lot of fun with this story. So, after a year there are some unclear response. They say better late than never but I am not so sure that is applicable. I wrote the other day; As a young business man it happened that I was interviewed by local newspapers. After a few interviews I was very disappointed and concluded; To hell with the media they misunderstand everything. A few years later I had a corporate job and media was part of the job. A part I hated. However, after some time I had better luck and the outcome was more to my liking. (I am not saying I am good at it but I am better than when I was young:). Now MR. ALEX XANTHOULIS says: Mats is a very good journalist but he, as every journalist, takes bits and pieces from every sentence and he publishes accordingly depending how he wants to present his view. It takes experience and business acumen to run a business. I appreciate that it takes a whole lot of scientific and technical know how to understand and fortify the product / invention. However. if one cannot fend of the critic better, then one does not stand a chance. This is particularly true as he also says As I have repeated several times, we are a business entity and not a lab. If he is a business entity representing a high tech lab then he better have a method to measure* the outcome of the lab work. Otherwise what is the role of the business entity? What is the expression a dollar short and . . . * (When I say measure I do not allude to calorimetry but to measuring result in general.) Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Gamberalli is claiming that DGT applied a trick that mimics bubbling air of faulty pipes that increases the water bill. 2014-05-20 12:58 GMT-03:00 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (peter.gl...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rulehttps://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3Du1LhSYS8NAChYrtCyzxGb5aP%252Bfczj%252Bud7ulfpTkRtoCBWUaEsQyXvD34PNDiIJvyH0TYFWeHXZ92RXoCSSLk%252FZ%252FtEmzReS4uo1YOonmAo36%252BtMMtnVNcFjIhJYKOt%252FzF23HqZbEjhr%252Fnl7PGzXD49g%253D%253D%26key%3D8ZJlHIZU1CU4oeDLekxCU%252FvtKtnX5YtlKUMRmvAnA7A%253Dtc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001| More infohttp://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview-with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Actually, there was some sarcasm, I don't know why the follow up comment was not posted here : He didn't consider that the exhaust direction would have a higher differential of pressure and would be the ideal direction to go. The bubbling could just be a momentary effect, and he just showed a picture instead of a longer graph (notice that the fist one is set to 250ms and the in the second, the time frame, the regular, the time frame is *BLANKED*, but probably also in the ms) . Also, he counted the water in the bucket, he didn't show any pictures of it, before or after and took no video of it. He didn't show pictures or a proof that he loaded Argon. If he wanted to falsify the experiment, he should try hard. What I see here is just red herring, anecdotal evidence. So, this report is a piece of shit. One more thing to add. Why isn't the behavior of Argon different from what was seen during both demos? So, is Defkalion hidding a secret button, like Krivit thinks Rossi did during Mats Lewan's test? 2014-05-20 14:21 GMT-03:00 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com: It is a big joke. Letterman would have a lot of fun with this story. So, after a year there are some unclear response. They say better late than never but I am not so sure that is applicable. www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview -with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon. Peter Thanks for the interview peter. It's good to inject different perspectives of those involved in these conversations. To be fair to Luca, hey may have not really understood until it was too late what was going on which is why he didn't speak up before. It is peculiar that he's busting his NDA like that, I'll admit. However, TBH, if Luca is not credible I honestly don't think that makes DGT much more credible. No honor among thieves, and all that. Really, what we need right now is a resounding report from Industrial Heat this June. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Gamberalli is claiming that DGT applied a trick that mimics bubbling air of faulty pipes that increases the water bill. 2014-05-20 12:58 GMT-03:00 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (peter.gl...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rulehttps://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3Du1LhSYS8NAChYrtCyzxGb5aP%252Bfczj%252Bud7ulfpTkRtoCBWUaEsQyXvD34PNDiIJvyH0TYFWeHXZ92RXoCSSLk%252FZ%252FtEmzReS4uo1YOonmAo36%252BtMMtnVNcFjIhJYKOt%252FzF23HqZbEjhr%252Fnl7PGzXD49g%253D%253D%26key%3D8ZJlHIZU1CU4oeDLekxCU%252FvtKtnX5YtlKUMRmvAnA7A%253Dtc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001| More infohttp://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview-with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview -with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon. Peter Thanks for the interview peter. It's good to inject different perspectives of those involved in these conversations. To be fair to Luca, hey may have not really understood until it was too late what was going on which is why he didn't speak up before. It is peculiar that he's busting his NDA like that, I'll admit. However, TBH, if Luca is not credible I honestly don't think that makes DGT much more credible. No honor among thieves, and all that. Really, what we need right now is a resounding report from Industrial Heat this June. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Gamberalli is claiming that DGT applied a trick that mimics bubbling air of faulty pipes that increases the water bill. 2014-05-20 12:58 GMT-03:00 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (peter.gl...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rulehttps://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3Du1LhSYS8NAChYrtCyzxGb5aP%252Bfczj%252Bud7ulfpTkRtoCBWUaEsQyXvD34PNDiIJvyH0TYFWeHXZ92RXoCSSLk%252FZ%252FtEmzReS4uo1YOonmAo36%252BtMMtnVNcFjIhJYKOt%252FzF23HqZbEjhr%252Fnl7PGzXD49g%253D%253D%26key%3D8ZJlHIZU1CU4oeDLekxCU%252FvtKtnX5YtlKUMRmvAnA7A%253Dtc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001| More infohttp://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview-with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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*Q*: *Was calorimetry wrong?* A: I am not a scientist. Calorimetry was not set by us but from brilliant and well known international scientists. More obfuscation. Not answering the question. Basically bullshit. The answer is YES. The calorimetry was wrong. If Facts are so more important than Words then why is he supplying bullshit words where facts are called for? Because the jig is up. Jed is right. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Gamberalli is claiming that DGT applied a trick that mimics bubbling air of faulty pipes that increases the water bill. 2014-05-20 12:58 GMT-03:00 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (peter.gl...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rulehttps://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3Du1LhSYS8NAChYrtCyzxGb5aP%252Bfczj%252Bud7ulfpTkRtoCBWUaEsQyXvD34PNDiIJvyH0TYFWeHXZ92RXoCSSLk%252FZ%252FtEmzReS4uo1YOonmAo36%252BtMMtnVNcFjIhJYKOt%252FzF23HqZbEjhr%252Fnl7PGzXD49g%253D%253D%26key%3D8ZJlHIZU1CU4oeDLekxCU%252FvtKtnX5YtlKUMRmvAnA7A%253Dtc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001| More infohttp://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17315801003tc_rand=559219808utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview-with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Can you really understand why the calorimetry is wrong? Can you really see that the paper posted by DE is full of anecdotal evidences? Can you see that what they claim in AR vs. H2 is contradicted by the DEMO? Even if the DEMO was using wrong calorimetry, it was not in the way it was explained in the article. Calorimetry may be inaccurate, but in what way, no one explained? 2014-05-21 2:19 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: More obfuscation. Not answering the question. Basically bullshit. The answer is YES. The calorimetry was wrong. If Facts are so more important than Words then why is he supplying bullshit words where facts are called for? Because the jig is up. Jed is right. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Can you really understand kindergarten level gamesmanship? Can you really see that the paper NEVER posted by Defkalion wouldn't have provided the kind of evidence we all needed anyways? Can you see that what is claimed in Obscurity vs. Larceny is contradicted by the fact that one of them submitted to 2 independent 3rd party tests and the other didn't? Even if the submission DEMO was using wrong (what, Laser Temperature Readers that everyone uses in industry???) thermometers it was not in the way it was explained in this article nor in your latest charades? Calorimetry may be accurate, but what kind of professor needs to be accurate within a 10th of a degree when the observed effect is hundreds of degrees past what any chemical reaction could produce? Lately you and Axil have gone off the edge. It was probably Ed Storms who was keeping you properly leashed. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Can you really understand why the calorimetry is wrong? Can you really see that the paper posted by DE is full of anecdotal evidences? Can you see that what they claim in AR vs. H2 is contradicted by the DEMO? Even if the DEMO was using wrong calorimetry, it was not in the way it was explained in the article. Calorimetry may be inaccurate, but in what way, no one explained? 2014-05-21 2:19 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: More obfuscation. Not answering the question. Basically bullshit. The answer is YES. The calorimetry was wrong. If Facts are so more important than Words then why is he supplying bullshit words where facts are called for? Because the jig is up. Jed is right. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Well, Blaze, since you're back from your vacation or whatever... could you reply to the posts to you on your own thread about the assessment of the likelihood of Rossi being real? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Uh, why would I care about Ed regarding this whole mess? This is not something related to how my ideas regarding CF are related to his. I read the 3 papers from Defkalion and they provided enough evidence for me to know how their process and Rossi's work. But an accusative article such as DE should contain only anecdotal formulations, specially considering that they do not describe whatever happened in the ICCF 18 demo. 2014-05-21 2:32 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately you and Axil have gone off the edge. It was probably Ed Storms who was keeping you properly leashed. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Ok, then let's leave Ed out of it. Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Uh, why would I care about Ed regarding this whole mess? This is not something related to how my ideas regarding CF are related to his. I read the 3 papers from Defkalion and they provided enough evidence for me to know how their process and Rossi's work. But an accusative article such as DE should contain only anecdotal formulations, specially considering that they do not describe whatever happened in the ICCF 18 demo. 2014-05-21 2:32 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately you and Axil have gone off the edge. It was probably Ed Storms who was keeping you properly leashed. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Jed is right, and you are just whining like a couple of girls who didn't get ice cream. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Ok, then let's leave Ed out of it. Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Uh, why would I care about Ed regarding this whole mess? This is not something related to how my ideas regarding CF are related to his. I read the 3 papers from Defkalion and they provided enough evidence for me to know how their process and Rossi's work. But an accusative article such as DE should contain only anecdotal formulations, specially considering that they do not describe whatever happened in the ICCF 18 demo. 2014-05-21 2:32 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately you and Axil have gone off the edge. It was probably Ed Storms who was keeping you properly leashed. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
