Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?
It is getting ready to fail.I have had two APCs that got hot and failed soon after.One made for an awful stink in the NOC when it finally went. I thought the building was on fire. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 7/27/2010 7:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to pull the unit in for testing. It was so hot that they had to wrap it in towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there. It has a minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios on it with a switch and remote reboot unit. The UPS was in an attic of the house and it is averaging about 95 degrees (we don't have humidity here) outside so I figure over 100 in the attic. I'll let it cool down overnight in the office but my guess is the chirping was a high temp warning, any ideas? SmartAPC Model SUA 750 - about a year old. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
You can also get a data card with a telemetry plan from a cell carrier and plug it into a Mikrotik. The setup fee can be pretty steep but once its set up the cost isn't super high so long as you aren't pushing a lot of data. Gets you out of band access to the tower network including any network controllable outlet strips/PDUs/rebooters. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: $200 bucks and a prepaid SIM card? http://www.gsm-auto.com/ ryan On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to them. They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing down in some areas due to the economy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/27/2010 1:04 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few, but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are paperweights. Cameron On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting? I know someone at WISPCON years back had a pager based system. I'm sure there are cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?
I've had the 2u rackmount APCs eventually get hot and overcharge the battery. They'd be quite warm with little or no load, and the batteries would bulge. This is in 72f datacenter. They last much shorter in 95 degree heat in my opinion. When it happens, we pull them out of service and use a tripplite APS. For small cheap UPSs we get a APC backups or tripplite or whatever is onsale at staples. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29:26AM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: It is getting ready to fail.I have had two APCs that got hot and failed soon after.One made for an awful stink in the NOC when it finally went. I thought the building was on fire. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 7/27/2010 7:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to pull the unit in for testing. It was so hot that they had to wrap it in towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there. It has a minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios on it with a switch and remote reboot unit. The UPS was in an attic of the house and it is averaging about 95 degrees (we don't have humidity here) outside so I figure over 100 in the attic. I'll let it cool down overnight in the office but my guess is the chirping was a high temp warning, any ideas? SmartAPC Model SUA 750 - about a year old. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?
Honestly isn't this something the Underwriters Laboratory would be interested in since they certify these units? On 7/28/2010 8:44 AM, jp wrote: I've had the 2u rackmount APCs eventually get hot and overcharge the battery. They'd be quite warm with little or no load, and the batteries would bulge. This is in 72f datacenter. They last much shorter in 95 degree heat in my opinion. When it happens, we pull them out of service and use a tripplite APS. For small cheap UPSs we get a APC backups or tripplite or whatever is onsale at staples. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29:26AM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: It is getting ready to fail.I have had two APCs that got hot and failed soon after.One made for an awful stink in the NOC when it finally went. I thought the building was on fire. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 7/27/2010 7:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to pull the unit in for testing. It was so hot that they had to wrap it in towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there. It has a minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios on it with a switch and remote reboot unit. The UPS was in an attic of the house and it is averaging about 95 degrees (we don't have humidity here) outside so I figure over 100 in the attic. I'll let it cool down overnight in the office but my guess is the chirping was a high temp warning, any ideas? SmartAPC Model SUA 750 - about a year old. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-MT-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
MUM is not for training. MUM is similar to Animal Farm if you've been there. It's more of a trade show and has a few presentations on how some people use Mikrotik. If you want training I'd suggest Butch Evans' classes. I found the basic class to be very informative even knowing quite a bit of the material. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579 Itemid=122 task=viewid=1579Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress. Thanks. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax mailto:sco...@rinicoran.com sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com http://www.rinicoran.com/ www.telecommunicationslaw.com http://www.telecommunicationslaw.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=51 Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors, TCHM1-L. They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt cutters. I fit a length of schedule 80 4 pipe to mount radios above the pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole. You put these things on right and you will have no problems. Nice hardware. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-M T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Was this a WA state PUD? Do you have some pics of an install or 2? ryan On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-MT-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 09:24 -0700, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. I have a training class scheduled for next week (see http://store.wispgear.net/ for details). Mikrotik's official training (from the reviews I've seen) don't get very good reviews, due to the difficulty people have in understanding what they are saying... As for the MUM, they are generally pretty good shows. I've never heard anyone say they were disappointed for having attended. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
I also wanted a plane ticket to Phoenix, hoping I could justify it. -Paul On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: MUM is not for training. MUM is similar to Animal Farm if you've been there. It's more of a trade show and has a few presentations on how some people use Mikrotik. If you want training I'd suggest Butch Evans' classes. I found the basic class to be very informative even knowing quite a bit of the material. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever
I agree Brian that this is potentially a huge positive for WISPs. People, if you have not declared yourself officially, you are shooting yourself in the foot (maybe the head). File your Form 477. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever Importance: High Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1 579Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress. Thanks. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax sco...@rinicoran.com mailto:sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com http://www.rinicoran.com/ www.telecommunicationslaw.com http://www.telecommunicationslaw.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Ø Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISPs in rural markets! That is the way I see it too! Victoria Proffer www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:37 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever Importance: High Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISPs in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you dont exist and dont offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISPs were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579 Itemid=122 task=viewid=1579Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever
The next deadline is September 1, keep in mind. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.comwrote: I agree Brian that this is potentially a huge positive for WISPs. People, if you have not declared yourself officially, you are shooting yourself in the foot (maybe the head). File your Form 477. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster *Sent:* Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM *To:* memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com *Subject:* [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever *Importance:* High Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: *- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support*** Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. *This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets!* I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file *the Form 477* as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don’t exist and don’t offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP’s were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress. Thanks. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com
Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
Thanks for making me think about it. Last night at 7:30 we had a tower go down. Cause...web power switch failed and shut off all the plugs. I guess we'll have to try the battery trick. -Kristian On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: We've had almost as many dispatches to fix/replace broken DLI web power switches as we have saved dispatches from being able to remotely reboot devices. At this point, we have half a dozen on the shelf that I'm reluctant to send out in the field. On the other hand, we have some older units (pre autoping) that have been running for 2-3 years in hot nasty environments. I wish we could figure out what was causing the failures because, in theory, they're good units and reasonably priced. -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer supported the paging protocol those units used. On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off line rebooting. We have them on all ap / tower sites. They a have saved a trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee. Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know how long the batteries will last. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting? I know someone at WISPCON years back had a pager based system. I'm sure there are cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
Most common mistake made with the Web Power Switch units is the default is to leave plugs off when losing power, we change those settings to restore to previous state on power loss, problem solved. Don't forget to save changes. Forbes On 7/28/2010 10:26 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: Thanks for making me think about it. Last night at 7:30 we had a tower go down. Cause...web power switch failed and shut off all the plugs. I guess we'll have to try the battery trick. -Kristian On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: We've had almost as many dispatches to fix/replace broken DLI web power switches as we have saved dispatches from being able to remotely reboot devices. At this point, we have half a dozen on the shelf that I'm reluctant to send out in the field. On the other hand, we have some older units (pre autoping) that have been running for 2-3 years in hot nasty environments. I wish we could figure out what was causing the failures because, in theory, they're good units and reasonably priced. -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer supported the paging protocol those units used. On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profitocprof...@cv-access.com wrote: http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off line rebooting. We have them on all ap / tower sites. They a have saved a trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee. Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know how long the batteries will last. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting? I know someone at WISPCON years back had a pager based system. I'm sure there are cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
At 7/28/2010 12:37 PM, Mike Gilchrist wrote: I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=51 Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors, TCHM1-L. They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt cutters. I fit a length of schedule 80 4 pipe to mount radios above the pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole. You put these things on right and you will have no problems. Nice hardware. Beautiful! Thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for. Now to just find a simple, cheap, reliable (pick 3) little wind charger for those off-grid sites... ;-) Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-M T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but 12V 20A $490: http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49 Regards, Scott e-zy.net PH: 801-432-0098 FAX: 801-618-4220 sc...@e-zy.net www.e-zy.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/28/2010 12:37 PM, Mike Gilchrist wrote: I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=51 Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors, TCHM1-L. They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt cutters. I fit a length of schedule 80 4 pipe to mount radios above the pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole. You put these things on right and you will have no problems. Nice hardware. Beautiful! Thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for. Now to just find a simple, cheap, reliable (pick 3) little wind charger for those off-grid sites... ;-) Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures. Here are the MTI brackets: http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and- M T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg -Paul On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote: We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our towers are 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go. Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when possible. Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need to put up our own. Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole. What hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole? And do you ever put antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you always stay down in the safe zone? Thanks... -Paul On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not farmland. It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to cover the planned turf. Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in the loose sense) and access antennas. The obvious place to put these is atop utility poles. I think the local electric cooperative will cooperate and let us rent pole space. We may however need to put additional poles in some places. They seem cheaper than metal towers and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows. Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of arrangement? We're in the budgeting stage now. I have an idea what the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal. The big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber installs, not WISP-style radios. So we may also want to bring in someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or setup with us too. Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
At 7/28/2010 12:59 PM, you wrote: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Ø Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! That is the way I see it too! I don't. See page 22 of the bill (scanned version only on line, alas; emphasis added): ...the Commission determines that at least 75% of the households can purchase **wireline** voice service and **wired** high-speed broadband service from an unsupported, facilities-based, non-incumbent provider... There's also a reference further down (p24) to voice service of standard quality. That rules out Skype or any non-QoS-enabled VoIP platform, or any non-PSTN non-E.164 service. If this were the only issue though, it would be easy enough to provide a technical fix. The rule appears aimed at cable. If there is unsubsidized PacketCable telephony, then why should the FCC subsidize ILECs? There's also support in the bill for mobile wireless providers. Over the past decade, CMRS carriers have been the largest (by far) competitive ETCs. Current FCC plans phase this out. The largest recipients are ATT and Verizon, the latter via its Alltel / Western Wireless purchase. The Boucher (D-Verizon) bill instead allows CMRSs to bid to become the supported mobile carrier in a given area. There are various other goodies (if you're Verizon) in the bill, including an order that the FCC complete intercarrier compensation reform within a year (it has been an open docket since April, 2001, and each Commission seems to want to pass the ball to its successor rather than do anything). And section 303 apparently bans access revenue sharing, so the free conference call industry goes out of business. I guess we'll all have to move our conference calls to the Internet. This is a real pain, but VZ, ATT and Sprint don't want to pay the teensy bit that it costs them (though it helps encourage the sale of overpriced flat-rate usage plans). The bill adds USF taxes to WISPs and basically prohibits them from receiving anything. This is consistent with the FCC's current pay for the bullet proposal. Such a deal! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
MUM is not for training, but MT is offering several courses the same week as MUM. I think at the same venue. I went to MUM Dallas last year. It is worth while. Though not for training, I did learn a lot. There were several presentations on new things and there were presentations on new ways to use the old things. I also was able to meet a bunch of folks from the maillists I participate in. Though I was not able to make the WISPA event in St Louis, from what I heard there was a lot more going on there than at a MUM. Still for the price, I did find it worthwhile and hope to attend again this year. Josh Luthman wrote: MUM is not for training. MUM is similar to Animal Farm if you've been there. It's more of a trade show and has a few presentations on how some people use Mikrotik. If you want training I'd suggest Butch Evans' classes. I found the basic class to be very informative even knowing quite a bit of the material. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop mailto:pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
At 7/28/2010 02:46 PM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00FB_01CB2E52.D6C23980 Content-Language: en-us Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but 12V 20A $490: http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49 Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. Especially since the non-metallic blades only have a 3' diameter. Stick a good deep discharge battery in a box with the charge controller and it should be able to power a nice Routerboard arrangement, maybe with some Ethernet radios on the side. The fun will be mounting everything on the pole. Questions like who gets the top, the antenna or the windmill? (Probably the turbine, so it can move with the wind.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
Good point, but that's not the problem in our case. We also noticed that the ON sequence delay setting affects the cycle time as well. The default setting is often too fast and won't actually powercycle PoE powered MikroTik devices. We've found that changing that setting to 5-10 seconds works much better. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 10:55 -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote: Most common mistake made with the Web Power Switch units is the default is to leave plugs off when losing power, we change those settings to restore to previous state on power loss, problem solved. Don't forget to save changes. Forbes On 7/28/2010 10:26 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: Thanks for making me think about it. Last night at 7:30 we had a tower go down. Cause...web power switch failed and shut off all the plugs. I guess we'll have to try the battery trick. -Kristian On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: We've had almost as many dispatches to fix/replace broken DLI web power switches as we have saved dispatches from being able to remotely reboot devices. At this point, we have half a dozen on the shelf that I'm reluctant to send out in the field. On the other hand, we have some older units (pre autoping) that have been running for 2-3 years in hot nasty environments. I wish we could figure out what was causing the failures because, in theory, they're good units and reasonably priced. -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer supported the paging protocol those units used. On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profitocprof...@cv-access.com wrote: http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off line rebooting. We have them on all ap / tower sites. They a have saved a trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee. Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know how long the batteries will last. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting? I know someone at WISPCON years back had a pager based system. I'm sure there are cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:59:25PM -0500, Philip Dorr wrote: Isn't that how towers are supposed to be grounded? Three ground rods one at each leg, 3+ feet away, hooked together in a loop and attached to each leg of the tower. When you have guy wires are't you supposed to do the same between them? The ground rods should be twice as far apart as they are long. If you drive an 8 foot ground rod, your next nearest ground rod should be 16 feet from that one, according to the Polyphaser book. If you drive 16 foot rods, space them 32 feet apart. I suggest everyone read the book. Don't guess. A couple of rods cost about as much as the book and you're wasting rods. We put a rod connected to each leg of our first tower. Swept up the little bitty plastic and silicon pieces three times the first spring it was up before I got the book and added three more rods 16 ft from each of the original three. The original three worked like about 1.25 ground rods. Now it works like 4.25 ground rods. We haven't blown anything apart on that tower in the 4 years since. Of course, we haven't had a strike in the two years I've had a strike counter on it. Maybe strike counters ward off strikes? We don't put fewer than 6 rods on a tower. The first rod is 16 feet from the tower leg. That's tied to another rod 32 feet from the tower leg. If we can, we tie all the rods together in halos. A ham I field day with manages towers for the forest service. He says they do three ring halos of ground rods around each tower. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: We grounded all our towers the same as mike...3 rods in a triangle about 10 ft out in each direction. Probably works about like 2.5 ground rods worth of dissipation ability without running the math. On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral triangle at least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod. Sounds like about 2 ground rods worth of dissipation ability without running the math. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
Make sure the tower is grounded to the electrical system ground as well. Sort of like every house is grounded with a lightning rod, but uses the electrical system ground also. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:18:04AM -0600, Mark Dueck wrote: I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days. We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every single radio was fried. Our problem I think is that it's a limestone (caliche or white marl) hill. How well can you ground in a situation like that? Or does it not matter? We had all our POE's properly grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the legs of the tower. The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it goes directly into the limestone. Any suggestions? On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out. Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away. Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate static. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] CPE Monitoring Survey
I was thinking about CPE monitoring today and wondering if/how everyone is doing it. I've got a brief (8 easy questions) survey at http://bit.ly/cpesurvey If you can spare a minute or two to fill it out I'd be very grateful. Of course, the results will be shared in aggregate. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Health Insurance
I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife's policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
distance? On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance
We provide health insurance for employees. To keep absolute costs down, we go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in the cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on behalf of the employee. We have 5 employees. Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance elsewhere. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife's policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance
though something major could include a cast, I mean to say in the CASE of anything major ;) And owners pay for their own because we are an LLC. As I understand it, if you're a different type of entity such as a C-Corp, you are an employee therefore you can get health insurance paid just like an employee. LLC members are not employees. - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance We provide health insurance for employees. To keep absolute costs down, we go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in the cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on behalf of the employee. We have 5 employees. Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance elsewhere. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife's policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
The small wind turbines perform best if you can get them to the top. Air turbulence near the ground causes the turbine output to drop but get up 40-60 feet and the wind stream is steadier and the turbine more consistent. e-zy.net PH: 801-432-0098 FAX: 801-618-4220 sc...@e-zy.net www.e-zy.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations At 7/28/2010 02:46 PM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00FB_01CB2E52.D6C23980 Content-Language: en-us Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but 12V 20A $490: http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49 http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49 Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. Especially since the non-metallic blades only have a 3' diameter. Stick a good deep discharge battery in a box with the charge controller and it should be able to power a nice Routerboard arrangement, maybe with some Ethernet radios on the side. The fun will be mounting everything on the pole. Questions like who gets the top, the antenna or the windmill? (Probably the turbine, so it can move with the wind.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting
The MUM is one of those yoy get what you pay for. Genrally you get enough out of it to justify going. Butch is correct in the training. The heavy accents can be a problem. A buddy of mine took their training in Chicago and found it difficult to communicate his questions correctly so they would understand. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Organization: Butch Evans Consulting Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:41:30 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 09:24 -0700, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. I have a training class scheduled for next week (see http://store.wispgear.net/ for details). Mikrotik's official training (from the reviews I've seen) don't get very good reviews, due to the difficulty people have in understanding what they are saying... As for the MUM, they are generally pretty good shows. I've never heard anyone say they were disappointed for having attended. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We would be interested in how we could participate in a WISPA group plan and with 60+ employees and families that we cover, you can imagine our monthly premium. I would assume that in an association plan, the more that participate, the better rates could be negotiated. We would be interested in helping with negotiations if needed. I believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole and encourage membership as well. Regards, David Weddell VP Business Development Corporate Partnerships Omnicity, Inc. www.omnicity.net OTCMarkets: OMCY 866 586 1518 Corporate Office 765 499 7310 Cell From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA Members] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife's policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Except for one bad one, the nanobridge works very well. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: distance? On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ *Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Also, Keep in mind that we offer free 477 data prep in a program on our web site. Go to www.wispmon.com and click on the FCC 477 Util.. You can even download a free desktop geocoder to pre-geocode your data (makes things go a little faster in the form prep). No proprietary info has to be given. We don't share data with anyone, ever. There is some prep work involved on your end, but it would have to be done regardless of how you chose to get the data. Instructions for use are on the page. Regards, Cameron On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 7/28/2010 12:59 PM, you wrote: *- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support * Ø Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. *This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets! * That is the way I see it too! I don't. See page 22 of the bill (scanned version only on line, alas; emphasis added): ...the Commission determines that at least 75% of the households can purchase **wireline** voice service and **wired** high-speed broadband service from an unsupported, facilities-based, non-incumbent provider... There's also a reference further down (p24) to voice service of standard quality. That rules out Skype or any non-QoS-enabled VoIP platform, or any non-PSTN non-E.164 service. If this were the only issue though, it would be easy enough to provide a technical fix. The rule appears aimed at cable. If there is unsubsidized PacketCable telephony, then why should the FCC subsidize ILECs? There's also support in the bill for mobile wireless providers. Over the past decade, CMRS carriers have been the largest (by far) competitive ETCs. Current FCC plans phase this out. The largest recipients are ATT and Verizon, the latter via its Alltel / Western Wireless purchase. The Boucher (D-Verizon) bill instead allows CMRSs to bid to become the supported mobile carrier in a given area. There are various other goodies (if you're Verizon) in the bill, including an order that the FCC complete intercarrier compensation reform within a year (it has been an open docket since April, 2001, and each Commission seems to want to pass the ball to its successor rather than do anything). And section 303 apparently bans access revenue sharing, so the free conference call industry goes out of business. I guess we'll all have to move our conference calls to the Internet. This is a real pain, but VZ, ATT and Sprint don't want to pay the teensy bit that it costs them (though it helps encourage the sale of overpriced flat-rate usage plans). The bill adds USF taxes to WISPs and basically prohibits them from receiving anything. This is consistent with the FCC's current pay for the bullet proposal. Such a deal! -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
And the bad thing would be. -Gary- - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Except for one bad one, the nanobridge works very well. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: distance? On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
We went through an independent broker who essentially had created a small business group plan of area businesses that help keep cost down verses us going to the insurer ourselves. Another thing to consider is Health Savings Accounts (HSA) which are a lot less then regular health insurance but at least affords some piece of mind for employees in the event they are faced with a serious medical or health issue. Bret On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 19:07 -0400, David Weddell wrote: I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We would be interested in how we could participate in a “WISPA” group plan and with 60+ employees and families that we cover, you can imagine our monthly premium. I would assume that in an association plan, the more that participate, the better rates could be negotiated. We would be interested in helping with negotiations if needed. I believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole and encourage membership as well. Regards, David Weddell VP Business Development Corporate Partnerships Omnicity, Inc. www.omnicity.net OTCMarkets: OMCY 866 586 1518 Corporate Office 765 499 7310 Cell From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA Members] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife’s policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
I had one end go bad. Replaced it and no problems. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2010, at 6:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: And the bad thing would be. -Gary- - Original Message - *From:* Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:32 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Except for one bad one, the nanobridge works very well. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: distance? On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ *Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.comgl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Suggestions Request.
Hello, I could use some suggestions / field experience... We need to setup wifi for a medium sized apartment complex. We need to deliver Wifi for about 8-12 apt. spread throughout the complex. (The apt complex is about the size of a city block). We have done a field test / proof of concept with Meraki radios (only because I had them on the shelf), cannot do Ruckus (budget will not afford this). .. Mesh will do the job, but looking for radios with a bit more oomph than the Merai mini's. I was looking at using Ubiqiti Picostation 2HP flashed with Open-mesh ... but am concerned about folks on UBNT forum reporting strange coverage gap in the 20-50ft range I understand that there are some Engenius radios that will work with open mesh as well... ( radios need to be outdoor type). Any suggestions ? or opinions on PicoStation 2HP or Engenious Radios (please let me know what model #) and or the Open Mesh setup. Many Thanks in Advance. -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
Pico all the way. Ubiquiti can do this with minimum budget. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions Request. Hello, I could use some suggestions / field experience... We need to setup wifi for a medium sized apartment complex. We need to deliver Wifi for about 8-12 apt. spread throughout the complex. (The apt complex is about the size of a city block). We have done a field test / proof of concept with Meraki radios (only because I had them on the shelf), cannot do Ruckus (budget will not afford this). .. Mesh will do the job, but looking for radios with a bit more oomph than the Merai mini's. I was looking at using Ubiqiti Picostation 2HP flashed with Open-mesh ... but am concerned about folks on UBNT forum reporting strange coverage gap in the 20-50ft range I understand that there are some Engenius radios that will work with open mesh as well... ( radios need to be outdoor type). Any suggestions ? or opinions on PicoStation 2HP or Engenious Radios (please let me know what model #) and or the Open Mesh setup. Many Thanks in Advance. -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
Health Insurance? Hey, George! (In Canada) What kind of budget to you have for health insurance? Me- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:56 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance We went through an independent broker who essentially had created a small business group plan of area businesses that help keep cost down verses us going to the insurer ourselves. Another thing to consider is Health Savings Accounts (HSA) which are a lot less then regular health insurance but at least affords some piece of mind for employees in the event they are faced with a serious medical or health issue. Bret On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 19:07 -0400, David Weddell wrote: I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We would be interested in how we could participate in a “WISPA” group plan and with 60+ employees and families that we cover, you can imagine our monthly premium. I would assume that in an association plan, the more that participate, the better rates could be negotiated. We would be interested in helping with negotiations if needed. I believe this is a great idea and could benefit WISPA as a whole and encourage membership as well. Regards, David Weddell VP Business Development Corporate Partnerships Omnicity, Inc. www.omnicity.net OTCMarkets: OMCY 866 586 1518 Corporate Office 765 499 7310 Cell From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA Members] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife’s policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
If you can't do Ruckus then any Ubiquiti product should work (just be aware of antennas and PPS). Picos would probably be the best option. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Pico all the way. Ubiquiti can do this with minimum budget. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions Request. Hello, I could use some suggestions / field experience... We need to setup wifi for a medium sized apartment complex. We need to deliver Wifi for about 8-12 apt. spread throughout the complex. (The apt complex is about the size of a city block). We have done a field test / proof of concept with Meraki radios (only because I had them on the shelf), cannot do Ruckus (budget will not afford this). .. Mesh will do the job, but looking for radios with a bit more oomph than the Merai mini's. I was looking at using Ubiqiti Picostation 2HP flashed with Open-mesh ... but am concerned about folks on UBNT forum reporting strange coverage gap in the 20-50ft range I understand that there are some Engenius radios that will work with open mesh as well... ( radios need to be outdoor type). Any suggestions ? or opinions on PicoStation 2HP or Engenious Radios (please let me know what model #) and or the Open Mesh setup. Many Thanks in Advance. -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Redline an80 On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Especially if you are working with them for the first time a couple of hours in the office will save you a lot of time and grief in the field... (at least that is what we have seen in general ... crossing the t's and doting the i's with the radio in the office can take a few min, doing that in the field a lot longer...) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 10:56 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Those look good, but outside of the budget for this deal.. -Gary- - Original Message - From: Ryan Goldberg rgoldb...@compudyne.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Redline an80 On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Yep, been there done that Is anyone stocking the Ubiquiti Power Bridge Units? The M5 looks good. -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Especially if you are working with them for the first time a couple of hours in the office will save you a lot of time and grief in the field... (at least that is what we have seen in general ... crossing the t's and doting the i's with the radio in the office can take a few min, doing that in the field a lot longer...) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 10:56 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don’t exist and don’t offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP’s were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress. Thanks. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com www.telecommunicationslaw.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance
Ever check into an HSA? It was the best thing we did when I was GM at a small CableCo. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We provide health insurance for employees. To keep absolute costs down, we go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in the cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on behalf of the employee. We have 5 employees. Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance elsewhere. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife’s policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
I hear ya. Our unlicensed backhauls start as mikrotik, then move to redline, then to moto, based on revenue they support. Not much of a performance boost moving to the redlines, but they quite simply Work. On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:17 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Those look good, but outside of the budget for this deal.. -Gary- - Original Message - From: Ryan Goldberg rgoldb...@compudyne.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Redline an80 On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM! On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If you can't do Ruckus then any Ubiquiti product should work (just be aware of antennas and PPS). Picos would probably be the best option. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Pico all the way. Ubiquiti can do this with minimum budget. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions Request. Hello, I could use some suggestions / field experience... We need to setup wifi for a medium sized apartment complex. We need to deliver Wifi for about 8-12 apt. spread throughout the complex. (The apt complex is about the size of a city block). We have done a field test / proof of concept with Meraki radios (only because I had them on the shelf), cannot do Ruckus (budget will not afford this). .. Mesh will do the job, but looking for radios with a bit more oomph than the Merai mini's. I was looking at using Ubiqiti Picostation 2HP flashed with Open-mesh ... but am concerned about folks on UBNT forum reporting strange coverage gap in the 20-50ft range I understand that there are some Engenius radios that will work with open mesh as well... ( radios need to be outdoor type). Any suggestions ? or opinions on PicoStation 2HP or Engenious Radios (please let me know what model #) and or the Open Mesh setup. Many Thanks in Advance. -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance
In Washington State the Association of Washington Businesses (Average White Band as I like to call them) have a statewide buy-in policy that's half of what I paid when I had my own Blue Cross plan, it went up 2 percent last year while my old one averaged 10-15 percent annual raise and deductibles and other coverages (dental/vision) dirt cheap. My employees are young and cheap to cover, I love the plan! Forbes On 7/28/2010 8:26 PM, RickG wrote: Ever check into an HSA? It was the best thing we did when I was GM at a small CableCo. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: We provide health insurance for employees. To keep absolute costs down, we go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in the cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on behalf of the employee. We have 5 employees. Owners have to pay for their own or get insurance elsewhere. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Health Insurance I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife’s policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most likely send out a survey in a week or two once I get together with an underwriter and see what the feasibility is. Between now and then, I would like to encourage discussion to see whether it is worth our effort. My goal is to offer a group plan that will assist those who do not have enough employees to justify an in-house group plan for their employees or themselves. Hopefully, we can reduce your cost and improve your coverage. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
according to Streakwave Website there is such a thing as PicoM 2HP... if it is available and shipping ... don't know... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 11:31 PM, RickG wrote: I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] How is your grounding plan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiAfeature=topvideos feature=topvideos Crazy. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever
Great, they want to tax us now. Nothing like getting kicked in the head.Tax the little guy to subsidize the big one.What a wonderful plan. This is worse than NOTHING. + Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress. Thanks. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com www.telecommunicationslaw.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reasonto document and map your network coverage ever
How can this be good?IT IS A PER-CUSTOMER TAX ON OUR SERVICE AND GAURANTEED TO NEVER HELP SMALL PROVIDERS. Cripes, this is good? There's ONE good plan. USF go byebye. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: St. Louis Broadband Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com ; 'WISPA General List' ; memb...@wispa.org ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reasonto document and map your network coverage ever - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Ø Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! That is the way I see it too! Victoria Proffer www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:37 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever Importance: High Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers
Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?
High speed cameras are definitely one of the best inventions of this century. Really cool looking but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near there, ever! On Jul 29, 2010 12:36 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiAfeature=topvideos Crazy. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.
Speaking of Ubiquiti - any news about 900MHz? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: according to Streakwave Website there is such a thing as PicoM 2HP... if it is available and shipping ... don't know... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 11:31 PM, RickG wrote: I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever
It's coming, no stopping it. If anyone thought double taxation was bad, how about a triple play? I sure hope somebody comes to their senses in DC soon. Whats a small guy to do? On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:42 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Great, they want to tax us now. Nothing like getting kicked in the head. Tax the little guy to subsidize the big one. What a wonderful plan. This is worse than NOTHING. + Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM To: memb...@wispa.org ; 'WISPA General List' ; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP’s in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don’t exist and don’t offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP’s were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1579Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress. Thanks. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com www.telecommunicationslaw.com
Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?
Looked like here last week! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiAfeature=topvideos Crazy. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
For this I would use two Rocket M5's with the 30dB Rocket dishes. Reason being is after the event is done, you will have a set of radios you can use in another part of the network for up to a 30 mile shot. Configure: One as AP WDS One as Station WDS. 10MHz channel Max Tx Rate Automatic AirMax Enabled No ACK mode for PTP enabled Watch it fly - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:57 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge
Oh, and adjust output power to provide -65dB at each end. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge For this I would use two Rocket M5's with the 30dB Rocket dishes. Reason being is after the event is done, you will have a set of radios you can use in another part of the network for up to a 30 mile shot. Configure: One as AP WDS One as Station WDS. 10MHz channel Max Tx Rate Automatic AirMax Enabled No ACK mode for PTP enabled Watch it fly - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:57 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge 6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the cost difference between Rocket M5 + Dish vs them is justifiable. If you did not want to purchase a whole variety of stuff , you could easily do this via a bunch of Bullet M5's with 22db Panels as well. Overall Bullets will have less thruput but still will get you your 20meg + easily. BTW, on the UBNT.COM now has a calculator / estimator... you can determine what models will work well for you. http://ubnt.com/linkcalculator/ Lots of good choices, the gear works well, takes a little playing with and getting used to.. but then again what doesn't Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 7:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wrote: Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any experience? Good or bad? Also considering the new Ubiquity units as price is always a problem. Thanks in advance, -Gary- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
