Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

[Chuck Profito]

Robert Kim,

CV- Access, Inc. (Central Valley) 209-988-7388

Apx.  rural coverage:  Hwy 205  South to Hwy 152,  I-5 and east to the other
side of the valley.  

 

Chuck Profito

209-988-7388

CV-Access, Inc.

www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  

Providing Broadband Internet Access to 

California's Rural Central Valley

 

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

 

Anything on Central California? That's a big chunk of real estate. Also,
it's important for me to get this updated for our internal records asap.
I've been bull dozed by those big 500 pounders before and it's just a blast!


 

Yes, i'm being sarcastic! =)


 

-- 
-- 
Robert Q Kim,

Sparkah Destination Event Management

Trade Show Marketing Strategies VP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrXcLCVkFds

2611 S Coast Highway
San Diego, CA 92007
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Re: [WISPA] Help coming up with company name....

[Chuck Profito]

+1  for Wi-Eye  


skynet-terminator-assault.jpg 


Wi-Eye


SkyEye


Skynet 


Skynet Alive 


Skynet Comes Alive 


 


 


 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:04 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Help coming up with company name

 

Wi-Eye ... =))

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC  

314-720-1000

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Zach Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:20 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Help coming up with company name

 

Brainstorm time, 

 

Do any of you have suggestions for a company name, obviously involving
wireless, networks, surveillance etc ?  Trying to come up with a good name.
Open to any suggestions.

 

Thanks in advance

 

-Zach 

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Santa Rosa CA

[Chuck Profito]

why are they not just calling Meraki direct, they are just down the 101 from
them???

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of li...@cielosystems.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:21 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Santa Rosa CA

Is there anyone in the Santa Rosa, California area. One of our customers
needs assistance locally for their Meraki Wifi network.  
Please contact jdipa...@cielosystems.net for further detail.

thanks,

Mike Goicoechea
m...@cielosystems.net
806-977-9001

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Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor

[Chuck Profito]

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:22 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor

 

the most inexpensive is in your trash pile, a power pinger, or CB3 radio,
plug it in on the line side of the UPS and just  ping it every minute and
you will know when you are on battery.  Conversely for a  generator.  also a
camera facing a set of gages, voltage, line, generator, oil pressure, temp,
etc.  Your probably too young to remember the "cable weather channel"  same
thing but with music. 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Settle
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:45 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor

 

We've recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found
an affordable solution for monitoring them.  Does anyone know of a simple
product that will enable me to monitor these things?  Everything I've found
is super expensive.  All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired
into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch.  I'm not (yet) concerned
about monitoring other metrics.

 

Thanks,

 

-- 

  Troy Settle, Network Administrator

  The Wired Road Authority

  1117 E. Stuart Dr.

  Galax, VA 24333

  (276) 238-0049 (office)

  (276) 237-3890 (cell)

  tset...@thewiredroad.net

 

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Re: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor

[Chuck Profito]

the most inexpensive is in your trash pile, a power pinger, or CB3 radio,
plug it in on the line side of the UPS and just  ping it every minute and
you will know when you are on battery.  Conversely for a  generator.  also a
camera facing a set of gages, voltage, line, generator, oil pressure, temp,
etc.  Your probably too young to remember the "cable weather channel"  same
thing but with music. 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Troy Settle
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:45 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Inexpensive alarm monitor

 

We've recently installed generators at several sites, but have not yet found
an affordable solution for monitoring them.  Does anyone know of a simple
product that will enable me to monitor these things?  Everything I've found
is super expensive.  All I really need, is a simple device that can be wired
into the alarm contacts on the transfer switch.  I'm not (yet) concerned
about monitoring other metrics.

 

Thanks,

 

-- 

  Troy Settle, Network Administrator

  The Wired Road Authority

  1117 E. Stuart Dr.

  Galax, VA 24333

  (276) 238-0049 (office)

  (276) 237-3890 (cell)

  tset...@thewiredroad.net

 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for Site to Sell

[Chuck Profito]

uh how about this one WISPA.org

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Zach Mann
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Site to Sell

 

Ebay  :) 

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Don Marino 
wrote:

Hey all,  does anyone have a recommendation on a reliable site to sell used
wireless equipment? 
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Re: [WISPA] Adding External Batteries to a UPS

[Chuck Profito]

Try the SMART1000LCD, 1000VA / 500 watts, from Costco, $89.00. Pull the
battery, buy two more just like it from Interstate Battery, make 2 lines
apx. 20 inches each with 1 male and 3 female. plug in male to ups threaded
thru vents, put the three batteries on top the case and plug in. For ease of
handling duct tape the batteries together horizontally. They will always
come back when power is applied(default is ON), until circuit failure, about
4-5 years. Less if you have really bad power, like on a old dairy, maybe 3
years.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 3:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Adding External Batteries to a UPS

We used these a lot in commercial building closets, because of their compact

foot print, and excellent Power protection..
(Although never used the snmp card)

We've pulled almost all of them out to date. The reason we stopped using 
them is that like all other consumer UPSes, they tend to fail bad, when 
batteries die, and not restore power to the equipment until a site visit to 
remove UPS from service. (although we did like that it has a physical on/off

switch, not just button, to force UPS on state).

Whats also a pain is that the internal batteries are NOT easilly removable. 
You have to take it apart in half, and hope not to short anything in the 
process, and prey the leads stay on when put back togeather.  (unless 
they've changed the cases, for better access, since)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Matt" 
To: "WUG" ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 5:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Adding External Batteries to a UPS


> Looking at this UPS.
>
> http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=3007
>
> It is small enough to fit in our standard outdoor enclosures.  It also
> supports being monitored by SNMP.  Problem is it does not have an
> external battery connector.  Has anyone had any luck adding external
> batteries to a UPS like this?
>
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Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

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when i click view the map I get a blank page

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

 

www.mywificoverage.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

 

Where is the login page?

NGL

From: Jim Patient   

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:03 AM

To: WISPA General List   

Subject: Re: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

 

The how to video is online.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmcMaC8Rw_Q

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net


 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:04 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] New site refresh issue

 

We've had a few calls and emails about the page refreshing when you generate
your map on mywificoverage.com.  Just click the home button or the logo at
the top and the page will refresh.  Once you go to home it should refresh
every 30 seconds.

 

Dennis is working on a how to video for youtube and it should be done in a
day or so.  We will post when it's online.

 

If you have particular antenna patterns you would like added shoot them over
and we will try to get them in the drop down list.

 

Please keep the feedback coming.  If you see a problem or would like
additional features let us know.

 

Thx,

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net  


 

 

 

 


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Re: [WISPA] Mobile Cell phone Booster

[Chuck Profito]

Wilson electronics, I have one of their mobile units in my car. If there is
one bar outside, I have 5 inside.
for store locator, here is their site
http://www.wilsonelectronics.com/Productlisting.aspx?Category=8

or direct service and answers;

http://www.alternativewireless.com/cellular-antennas/improving-cell-phone-re
ception/cell-phone-power-boosters.html

or Amazon;
http://www.amazon.com/s/183-9920895-0037934?ie=UTF8&tag=mozilla-20&index=ble
nded&link_code=qs&field-keywords=wilson%20electronics%20signal%20booster&sou
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Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mobile Cellphone Booster

Anyone know of a mobile cellphone booster that works well on the road?
 Having issues getting service and getting mobile hotspot to work when
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Re: [WISPA] 24 Volt DC to 120 VAC

[Chuck Profito]

Guessing, you are going to use 2  12v in series to get 24? right?

Then any good battery backup will work, except you loose 20% efficiency.

a $99 Tripp-Lite from Costco and two deep cycle marines will do. or 4 6v golf 
cart batteries (costo has these too) but you will need a $20.00 float charger 
with these. See Interstate Batteries.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:23 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] 24 Volt DC to 120 VAC

 

We are moving to large 24 volt battery backup at all our sites.  We
are using some Gige managed switches at sites that run off 120 VAC.
Anyone know of a rack mount device to convert 24 DC to 120 VAC to run the 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti GPS

[Chuck Profito]

Ryan,

do you have a photo of that??? 

My partner thinks I'm the silicone and duct tape king, so you have a new
tool for me?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti GPS

 

heheh local hardware stores sell aluminum tape, we've used it to "quiet"
radios before, works like a charm and is way less expensive than the shield
kits.

Ryan

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:23 AM,  wrote:

When running in Airmax TDMA each AP stomps all over each other if they can
hear each other. The less they hear each other the better, at least until
GPS sync is fully functioning. Even then the shields are recommended because
of the wide channel mask with 802.11n.


Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -

From: "KevinR" 
To: "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:21:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti GPS

I would not deploy any UBNT Aps on a tower without the shield kits.

1) UBNT radios are in a plastic case, they bleed out RF like crazy.
So if you have a bunch of radios on a tower you will cut the noise
substantially.

2) Water,Ice, birds, etc..
With the shield kits the radios are enclosed in an aluminum box.
 They stay dry and keep ice, water, and animals from damaging the
jumpers.

3) We have had lots of lighting this summer and I think having them in an
all aluminum enclosure grounded has helped us from losing any yet.



Kevin


On Aug 25, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote:

> Please give me some positive points to the shield kits so I can present
> them. Every time I speak about them I get the "who needs stinking shield
> kits"
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:00 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti GPS
>
> and the Shield Kits.  I'll use them even after I use the GPS units.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/25/2011 10:17 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Matt  wrote:
I am seeing the 5.4.3 improve things on point to multi
> point.
>>> How well does Ubiquiti handle PtmP?  We have some Canopy AP's with
> 60+
>>> users.  Heard that since Ubiquiti uses a wifi chipset they cannot
>>> handle this kind of traffic?
>> Wi-Fi chipset isn't equal to Wi-Fi protocol. With a single-sector, the
>> new M family could handle large number of users using AirMax TDMA
>> protocol.
>>
>> On multi-sector, it would have issues similar to Canopy without GPS;
>> Ubiquiti now has GPS sync as well, but it's to soon to use it in a
>> production network.
>>
>> What one can do now is buy Rocket GPS units but not rely on the GPS
>> just yet, using all 3 separations (frequency, horizontal, vertical)
>> for the time being.
>>
>>
>> Rubens
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

[Chuck Profito]

TOM DeREGGI, 

 I would like to make you a Serious Business Offer. OK?


Seriously. This is a real offer. In fact, you really can't turn me down, as
you'll come to understand in a moment.

Here's the deal. You're going to start a business or expand the one you've
got now. It doesn't really matter what you do or what you're going to do.
I'll partner with you no matter what business you're in - as long as it's
legal.

But I can't give you any capital - you have to come up with that on your
own. I won't give you any labor - that's definitely up to you. What I will
do, however, is demand you follow all sorts of rules about what products and
services you can offer, how much (and how often) you pay your employees, and
where and when you're allowed to operate your business. That's my role in
the affair - to tell you what to do.

Now in return for my rules, I'm going to take roughly half of whatever you
make in the business each year. Half seems fair, doesn't it? I think so. Of
course, that's half of your profits.

You're also going to have to pay me about 12% of whatever you decide to pay
your employees because you've got to cover my expenses for promulgating all
the rules about who you can employ, when, where, and how. Come on, you're my
partner. It's only "fair."

Now. after you've put your hard-earned savings at risk to start this
business, and after you've worked hard at it for a few decades (paying me my
50% or a bit more along the way each year), you might decide you'd like to
cash out - to finally live the good life.

Whether or not this is "fair" - some people never can afford to retire - is
a different argument. As your partner, I'm happy for you to sell whenever
you'd like. because our agreement says if you sell, you have to pay me an
additional 20% of whatever the capitalized value of the business is at that
time.

I know. I know. you put up all the original capital. You took all the risks.
You put in all the labor. That's all true. But I've done my part, too. I've
collected 50% of the profits each year. And I've always come up with more
rules for you to follow each year. Therefore, I deserve another, final 20%
slice of the business.

Oh. and one more thing.

Even after you've sold the business and paid all my fees. I'd recommend
buying lots of life insurance. You see, even after you've been retired for
years, when you die, you'll have to pay me 50% of whatever your estate is
worth.

After all, I've got lots of partners and not all of them are as successful
as you and your family. We don't think it's "fair" for your kids to have
such a big advantage. But if you buy enough life insurance, you can finance
this expense for your children.

All in all, if you're a very successful entrepreneur. if you're one of the
rare, lucky, and hard-working people who can create a new company, employ
lots of people, and satisfy the public. you'll end up paying me more than
75% of your income over your life. Thanks so much.

I'm sure you'll think my offer is reasonable and happily partner with me.
But it doesn't really matter how you feel about it because if you ever try
to stiff me - or cheat me on any of my fees or rules - I'll break down your
door in the middle of the night, threaten you and your family with heavy,
automatic weapons, and throw you in jail.

That's how civil society is supposed to work, right? This is Amerika, isn't
it?

That's the offer Amerika gives its entrepreneurs. And the idiots in
Washington wonder why there are no new jobs.

 

This Is Why There Are No Jobs in America

HYPERLINK "http://www.stansberryresearch.com"www.stansberryresearch.com

 

 

Chuck Profito

209-988-7388

CV-Access, Inc.

www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  

Providing Broadband Internet Access to 

California's Rural Central Valley

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

 

In support of your points

 

On the news the other day, they pointed out a dituation where the city of
Wash DC is having the cops harrass the Bicycle Taxis, and got Politions on
the record saying that they are trying to find a way to regulate them.  The
count is something like 50 total bucycle Taxi across the city. Isn't this a
bit extreme and wasteful to go after a few bicycle riders? They literally
work hard to give others enjoyment, a public good.  My point here is...  if
the government can see it, they will try to regulate it.  Thats what
governments do, they regulate things.  The government really needs to stop,
they are sticking their nose into way to many busin

[WISPA] Friday funny

[Chuck Profito]

It's Friday, Thought you all might appreciate this! Watch out for the boot
and crash!

 

http://www.flixxy.com/my-blackberry-is-not-working.htm

 




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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

[Chuck Profito]

quote both with open connection speeds and encryption, I bet he changes his
mind.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

because that is what the RFQ says.  I've asked, but gotten no usable answer.

On 5/7/2011 4:53 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: 

That close, wouldn't  encrypted M Rockets be cheaper than labor & wire, and
nearly just as fast? Bridged? Routed? Can any one point see the others? Why
no wireless, what's he afraid of?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

Depending on how it needs to be installed between buildings, there may not
be much cost difference between fiber and copper, especially if you need
multiple circuits.  Fiber is not really expensive and you can get a lot of
strands in a small cable.  Just be sure to run more strands than you "need."


On 5/6/2011 5:23 PM, Larry A Weidig wrote: 

My initial response is fiber, due to distances.  However, you might be able
to get away with something less costly depending on requirements.  What
speed? 10, 100, 1000, 10G.  There are lots of Ethernet extenders that can
give you speeds to 100 Mbps over coax, copper,. just Google it and you will
find plenty.  We have used these when fiber is not an option.  However, make
sure you take grounding between buildings into account as well with stuff
like coax/copper.  If you can afford it fiber is your best option.

 

* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)

* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/

* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area

* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or cat5, or
even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to site 4
is 2400 ft. 

Looking for options...

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

[Chuck Profito]

That close, wouldn't  encrypted M Rockets be cheaper than labor & wire, and
nearly just as fast? Bridged? Routed? Can any one point see the others? Why
no wireless, what's he afraid of?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 4:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

Depending on how it needs to be installed between buildings, there may not
be much cost difference between fiber and copper, especially if you need
multiple circuits.  Fiber is not really expensive and you can get a lot of
strands in a small cable.  Just be sure to run more strands than you "need."


On 5/6/2011 5:23 PM, Larry A Weidig wrote: 

My initial response is fiber, due to distances.  However, you might be able
to get away with something less costly depending on requirements.  What
speed? 10, 100, 1000, 10G.  There are lots of Ethernet extenders that can
give you speeds to 100 Mbps over coax, copper,. just Google it and you will
find plenty.  We have used these when fiber is not an option.  However, make
sure you take grounding between buildings into account as well with stuff
like coax/copper.  If you can afford it fiber is your best option.

 

* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)

* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/

* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area

* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

 

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or cat5, or
even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to site 4
is 2400 ft. 

Looking for options...

 
 
 
 


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[WISPA] FBI closes in on zombie PC gang

[Chuck Profito]

** FBI closes in on zombie PC gang **

In an unusual move, investigators take control of the servers that control
millions of zombie PCs.

< http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/news/technology-13078297 >

 

 

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www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  

Providing Broadband Internet Access to 

California's Rural Central Valley

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Always climb with a buddy......

[Chuck Profito]

He just wanted to make a bigger S P L A S H !

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gary Garrett
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Always climb with a buddy..

 

I don't know man,  It seems like a lot of trouble to go to if you are just
going to kill yourself.
At 50' any fool can see you are high enough to get the job done. Even in the
dark.





On 3/18/2011 9:05 PM, RickG wrote: 

You know what happens when you "assume" :)

But he was young and strong and it might be safe to assume on something...

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

Actually, he didn't ride the elevator.  I knew I read it...
http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm 

 

An elevator in the tower stops about 45 feet short of the top. Ginopolis
said the man did not appear to have access to the elevator, which is kept
locked.

"The only thing it's safe to assume is that he got there under his own
power," Ginopolis said. "You have to climb the tower get to the top."

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] 50-100 Mbps IP needed short term in Orlando

[Chuck Profito]

That's a gym, what are they planning to watch their I Pods to lose weight?
they have less than 50 parking spaces! and they want a 100 meg! 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 7:43 PM
To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] 50-100 Mbps IP needed short term in Orlando

Re-post from FISPA List,

If anyone can help, please contact Richard Directly.

Thanks
Faisal

On 3/14/2011 6:21 PM, Richard Williamson wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am looking for a temporary wireless solution at the following location:
> 14351 Stoneybrook Blvd, Suite A, Orlando FL.
>
> I would prefer 50 - 100 mbps if at all possible.
>
> I am seeking a month to month contract (most likely 4 - 5 months) and am
> looking for installation within the next week.
>
> We do have an existing tower on site that would need to be extended.
>
> Please let me know if you can service this area and pricing. Contact me
off
> list if you can provide service.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Richard Williamson II
>
> Caviair Corp
> Direct line: (239) 790-7235
> Main Line:   (239) 790-
> Website:www.caviair.com
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] band pass filters

[Chuck Profito]

Too bad there is not an electronic version of that w/Ethernet port built in
so you could switch to any channel on the fly. Or maybe a "follow me" on the
ap side.  The 2.4 is almost unusable in many places.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 7:30 AM
To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] band pass filters

 

The only thing you've got to remember, is that if in the future you have a
problem, you can't just make a freq change on the AP, you've got to move
hardware as well.

Glad it worked.  I'll keep it in the toolkit.

Marco

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Rogelio  wrote:

For what it's worth, I had a super noisy Wi-Fi noise environment
(hundreds of clients, dozens of APs, little to no channel
coordination, etc) and got a handle on the situation by putting these
band pass filters

http://www.rflinx.com/products/filters/2400/bpf/

I got several of each, but I ended up using channel 1 mostly.  When I
put that puppy in, I got like 40 dB less noise on the channels I
didn't want, and I also could not even hear other APs when I moved the
radio to channels 2-11 (there is that much isolation in the filter).

Now throughput is much smoother and higher.  Before I put these in,
bandwidth would be slow and come in spurts (as evidenced by various
throughput tools like iperf and online speed tests).

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Re: [WISPA] Windows Upgrades / PC-Hotspot

[Chuck Profito]

>From KOMANDO.COM

 


Turn your PC into a Wi-Fi hotspot
 


These days, nearly all of our gadgets connect to the Internet. And the vast
majority of them do it wirelessly.

As awesome as wireless communication is, it has its limits. For example, if
you aren't in a Wi-Fi hotspot, you can't connect.

Virtual Router can help. It turns your laptop into a roaming wireless
hotspot. All you need is some type of Internet connection. It can be through
a local area network, 3G or dial-up.

This gives you the opportunity to connect your Wi-Fi only gadgets. And you
can secure your hotspot with WPA2 encryption. That means you're still safe
even while you're broadcasting Wi-Fi.

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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rack mount poe switch

[Chuck Profito]

Add a battery, Duct tape and DURA CELL, or solder if you want to get fancy.
Or when your nearby, change it out to a Lithium phone battery.  I'm pretty
sure that what Tim's been doing.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:11 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Yep, even tried the serial port etc.nada.nothing.  I'm willing to try the
"new & improved" version with the LCD screen, but if one of those fails
pre-maturely than we're done with them for good.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

If it looses it's ip then yes. Did you try the default ip? I always kept an
address block in the DL default range on my routers just in case.

Cameron

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

Hey Cameron,

 

Yah, I remember this topic coming up before, but the failures we've had
(that come quickly to mind) are no access to the unit at all.  Does the
battery issue prevent the unit from working even when power is restored?  

 

Brad

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:54 AM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Brad,

A tip on the Loggers 8 port...there is a rechargeable battery inside that
doesn't seem to last more than a year. Once it dies, you lose your config
and if the device ever looses power, everything comes back in either all off
state or all on state. I tossed one logger and then when it happened to a
second, I decided to tinker. I got a replacement battery at batteries plus
and it started working correctly again, saving my config after a power
outage. I'm not sure what can be done about it except to put them on a
maintenance schedule. Of course this was on the older devicesmaybe
they've gone to flash memory now?

Cameron

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:

We've had more failures than successes with the Digital Loggers eight port
rack mount rebooter.  Granted they are the least expensive rebooter on the
market at less than $300, but I would expect a better failure rate than what
we've seen out of them the past several years.

 

I noticed on Digital Loggers site that they have a newer version available.
Maybe this version is more reliable?  I've also read that the DIN mount
style rebooter is more reliable than the 2U rack mount style.  Maybe Kevin
could somehow integrate the DIN unit into his PoE controller to save costs
and development.

 

While I think adding a couple AC ports to this device would be neat..let's
not divert from the intent of this product from being a PoE controller.

 

I wonder why UBNT doesn't design a PoE controller that would fit the need?
Seems like a natural fit product that they could also manage via their
AirControl System management software.

 

Best,

 

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:42 AM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

Kevin, 

On cost:  With your model, we're still going to need to buy a device like a
Digital Loggers remote AC reboot device because we will need to reboot a
router or switch.

If it can have a couple of AC ports to power a Mikrotik router (x86-based)
and a switch, we don't have to ALSO buy another remote boot device ($350
value).

Since we can get the remote booting with the digital logger box, then all
your box has done is clean up our PoE's, and I wouldn't pay nearly that
much.

On 3/2/2011 3:23 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: 

So... we're most of the way through a mid-span design similar to what people
are outlining here. Right now it's only non-standard POE, though. No 802.3.
Again, we were only going to build three, for our own use. If we sold
something that was:

 

Remote on/off per port

Auto-ping reboot per port

Dual-power supply, with notification on fail

DC powered, either 12, 24, or 48v

The one we are working on is 24v output only

1u rackmount or small form factor wall mountable

SNMP for reboot, voltage monitoring, input monitoring

 

We figured if it's a DC device, we can plug it into 110v easily with a
transformer.

 

If it was $450, would anyone buy them? Actually, what I really need to know
is, would we be able to get rid of 90 of them? We'd have to make a batch of
100, and we could use 10.  We'd get them back from the PCB manufacturer
mid-May.

 

Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Nash   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

 

I may be of

Re: [WISPA] users...

[Chuck Profito]

Chuck, do you mean to a heavy user or another tower?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:43 PM
To: wil...@optimumwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] users...

 

We've basically gotten to the point that in some areas on our network, 6
canopy AP's still isn't enough.  We're going to do a fiber trial in one
short half mile shot, get our feet wet, then we've already planned an
additional 6-7 miles if everything works out.


Regards,

Chuck



On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Optimum Wireless Services
 wrote:

I'm on the same boat. I added more bandwidth to my network and my users
still saturate it.

I'm doing traffic shapping and still.



On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 02:42 -0500, Blair Davis wrote:
> a fun little note...
>
> three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth...
>
> tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again!
>
>
> Grrr
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Solar acting backwards

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Cool

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 11:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar acting backwards

Chuck,

It was more simple than I thought, I got up there and the negative wire 
was arcing from not being completely connected, fixed that and 
everything is fine.

Thanks,
Forbes

On 2/1/2011 10:59 AM, Chuck Profito wrote:
> Forbes,
> I know this sounds stupid, but I have always found it to be true, in any
> battery configuration, you are only as strong as your weakest cell.  It
> determines the output/input load. Take a hydrometer, a shorted cell will
> show discharge while charging.
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
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> Subject: [WISPA] Solar acting backwards
>
> A week ago we received a low battery page on a solar site.  We got there
> to find the Positive wire was oxidized and not making connection,
> stripped it back and it worked fine.  Then we had no sun for three days,
> worked perfectly.  When the sun came out it stopped working again, isn't
> that kind of backwards?  On my way out again to change batteries, we use
> a bank of two 6v industrial batteries.
>
> Forbes
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Solar acting backwards

[Chuck Profito]

Forbes, 
I know this sounds stupid, but I have always found it to be true, in any
battery configuration, you are only as strong as your weakest cell.  It
determines the output/input load. Take a hydrometer, a shorted cell will
show discharge while charging.
Chuck 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Solar acting backwards

A week ago we received a low battery page on a solar site.  We got there 
to find the Positive wire was oxidized and not making connection, 
stripped it back and it worked fine.  Then we had no sun for three days, 
worked perfectly.  When the sun came out it stopped working again, isn't 
that kind of backwards?  On my way out again to change batteries, we use 
a bank of two 6v industrial batteries.

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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[Chuck Profito]

MDK- just for you.  :-}

-Or

It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
living on credit. 

A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs
before selecting one for the night. 

1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
next door to pay his debt to the butcher. 

2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to
the pig farmer. 

3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
supplier, the Farmer's Co-op. 

4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
offer her "services" on credit. 

5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
owner. 

6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich
traveler will not suspect anything. 

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are
not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town. 

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is
now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism. 

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.




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Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!

[Chuck Profito]

Steve, Your Dad sounds like he's related to mine!  I spent one LONG summer
with a idiot stick (shovel ) in my hands. The first day I thought I figured
it out, a month later I wanted nothing to do with farming, by three months,
I just wanted tonever mind.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!

That sounds an awful lot like a conversation I would have had with my dad
years ago and a letter he would have stood over me to make sure was said
with proper apologetic  attitude.  Soon after I would be out in the pig barn
scraping the walls with a putty knife since it appeared I had way too much
time on my hand and needed time to think how to be more productive with my
life.  (Whao flash back )

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!

When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to
our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of
responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry,
understanding, etc.

This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap
from dad...

(names have been changed to protect the guilty)...

***
Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me
of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the
downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled
"Takers". I did download the film "Takers" from a bit torrent website and
have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This
sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the
inconvenience.

Sincerely,
Taylor Wisdom
***

Muhahahahaha...





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Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!

[Chuck Profito]

Thanks for sharing, it's fun to hear about homeruns!

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Spott
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!

LOLz,

My wife (the boss) called one dad on our network to ask him to tone
down the bit-torrent-ing. She was told by the dad that they did not
torrent.

Well, they went computer to computer and disconnected each one. When
they got to the son's computer they discovered the culprit... :)

My wife felt pretty bad, the kid was in serious trouble, especially
since his dad worked for MS as some leader in the team
running/developing MS-DRM!

ryan

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry
> lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get
> a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all,
> shocked, angry, understanding, etc.
>
> This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little
> wrist-slap from dad...
>
> (names have been changed to protect the guilty)...
>
> ***
> Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed
> me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the
> downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was
> labeled "Takers". I did download the film "Takers" from a bit torrent
> website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated
> with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I
> do apologize for the inconvenience.
>
> Sincerely,
> Taylor Wisdom
> ***
>
> Muhahahahaha...
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

[Chuck Profito]

Agreed, everyone gets different photo and messages depending who their
associated to. it would probably drive the squid nuts, especially when FB is
busy and slow and squid is trying to compare.  
BTW, Watch out on not controlling the upload, one sub ftp'ing  out or P2P
could kill your full download.  I'm guessing, but, you are probably only 1/2
duplex.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 11:08 AM
To: wil...@optimumwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

Could be your squid cache. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 25, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Optimum Wireless Services
 wrote:

> Travis, thanks for replying. I first thought I didn't have enough
> bandwidth but, I have three 5meg lines. Previously I only had 2 and
> things were worst. After adding the additional line things got better
> but, not really good. 
> 
> Our three lines are connected to tp-link load balancer then to our gw
> running debian which throttles user's bandwithd at 512kbps download, not
> able to throttle upload bw yet. Also this gw is running squid for cache.
> 
> You still think I need to add another line?
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 07:42 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote:
>> I would guess you are running out of bandwidth. 5meg isn't much for 120 
>> customers, especially since most of them are probably trying to use it 
>> at nearly the same time (6:00PM - 10:00PM).
>> 
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/25/2010 6:45 AM, Optimum Wireless Services wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> Lately my customers have been experiencing problems accessing facebook
>>> and hotmail. They claim they can't access their email on hotmail after
>>> entering their credentials and can't see pictures and other people's
>>> profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3
>>> 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120
>>> customers and have complained so much about it that is already getting
>>> on me.
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to know if any of you have experienced problems with these
>>> two websites.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advanced.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Printer recommendations

[Chuck Profito]

Agreed!  Epson's have to be used daily, their ink caps are terrible. hp
lasers are dirty, construction site, dairy barn compatible.
See a guy with something sticking to his boots, get him a laser jet 2200dn,
full duplex, not fast but never stops, drum comes with toner.
it can be in standby for a month in a barn and still spit out pages will no
jams. like the Uzi of printers!
for color, HP photo smart 7250, it will have a paper jam on the second to
last sheet, don't let it run low on paper. problem cured.
high cost of ink solved at ink4print, Amazon, order below to prove costs I
bought 13 VERY HIGH CAPACITY cartridges for less than one at Costco!
Good ink too! So far no clogs or throwaways. Now I print a lot more color,
it became cheaper than black!!!

Shipping Method:Standard 
Shipping Preference:Group my items into as few shipments as possible
Subtotal of Items:  $18.98 
Shipping & Handling:$5.48 
-- 
Total for this Order:   $24.46 

 
Delivery estimate: August 30, 2010 - September 2, 2010
Shipping estimate for these items: August 25, 2010 - August 26, 2010 
1   "13-Pack HP 02 Compatible Ink Cartridges 3-BLACK, 2 CYAN, 2
MAGENTA, 2 YELLOW, 2 LIGHT CYAN, 2 LIGHT MAGENTA for Photo smart D7360 D7460
8250 D7260 D7160 C5180 C6180 C6280 C7180 C7280 C8180"
$18.98

  Sold by: ink4print 

  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Curtis Maurand
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:54 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printer recommendations


Stick with HP.  Go with Laser.  Try to go with something in the 2000 or 
3000 series if you can.  They just get it done.

--Curtis

On 11/23/2010 9:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I've used HP OfficeJets for most of the previous decade.  I've used HP
> printers period for...  20 years?
>
> However, the OfficeJets continue to have paper handling and other
> issues.  They are used far less than their service duty allows.  I also
> have a problem with the printer disappearing on some computers.
>
> I was recommended to Dell all in one printers, but their user interface
> for the scanning, faxing, etc. features is horrible.
>
> I need something that works, does copy, fax, scan, print, and is easy
> enough for non-techies to use.  Recommendations?
>
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Re: [WISPA] 5 gig antennas

[Chuck Profito]

I have also been looking for a wide band omni,  5.x like 5.1 to 5.9 apx,
where did they go?

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:42 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] 5 gig antennas

Hi All,

I need a 5 gig omni.  8 or 9 dB.

I've got one from Winncomm but I don't like it much.  The mount seems to 
place the raydome below the mounting bracket etc.

What are folks using and where do you get them?

Got a new 5 gig tower that's running about 12dB or so below calculated 
signal levels.

thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

[Chuck Profito]

Well has any body tested one of these yet?  How's the camera res?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 4:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone

Let us all know how that works out for you.  Key things I noticed when I
read the FAQ,

1.  "the range will be greater if the AR drone is used in wide-open space
with few Wi-Fi waves".  Now, I am not a great technical wizard, but won't
the majority of users from the WISPA mailing list have some of those pesky
"Wi-Fi waves" kicking around?

2.  "the AR.Drone can maintain STABLE FLIGHT (emphasis added by me) at a
height of up to 6 meters / 20 feet".  Now, Stable flight would be kind of 
important
when doing anything other than using it as a fun toy I would imagine.  I 
don't see
many water tanks under 20 feet - and if I did I carry a ladder.

All I was trying to do was get a bit more info out there on the thing, it 
looks like
a GREAT toy, and I am thinking about ordering one just to play around with, 
but
to expect it to be a dependable tool in your toolbox?  Buyer beware.  They 
put
plenty of warnings in the information on the manufacturers web page, (which
is what I posted) so don't expect STABLE FLIGHT
more than that 20 feet up, and be pleasently surprised if you get more
than the 20 feet.


? What is the range of the AR.Drone?

The range of the AR.Drone depends on the environment in which it is being 
used: the range will be greater if the AR.Drone is used in a wide-open space 
with few Wi-Fi waves. For information, the average range is 50 meters / 160 
feet.

? How high can the AR.Drone fly?

Thanks to its many sensors, the AR.Drone can maintain stable flight at a 
height of up to 6 meters / 20 feet. Since the altitude at which the AR.Drone 
can fly depends exclusively on the Wi-Fi range, it can fly up to a height of 
50 meters / 160 feet.

The "Altitude limited" option in the AR.Drone's settings can be adjusted to 
restrict the height to 3 meters / 10 feet.

Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone


> Most water tanks are less than 160', so it would work fine for that.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Blake Bowers  
> wrote:
>
>> http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/support/questions-answers
>>
>> Going to have to be a short tower.
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "John Thomas" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:21 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
>>
>>
>> >I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like
>> > it might save a tower climb somewhere.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p
>> >
>> >
>> > You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Chuck Profito]

Image stream, excellent price and support

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS


On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:

> I still need to try a Vyatta system.

I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
use RouterOS now).  Apparently I've had too much Tik-aid, because I had
completely forgotten about Vyatta and similar options.

I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each
with a single feed.  If anyone else has an x86-based distro they'd like
to see performance on, let me know.

And thanks for all the responses.  The information has been very
helpful.  Unfortunately, the conclusion I came to is "I have no idea
what I'm going to do."  Cisco = $$$ and MikroTik = coin flip.  Hopefully
Vyatta lands somewhere in the middle.

Thanks,

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[WISPA] Everest

[Chuck Profito]

http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2010/1029/3G-access-arrives-on-
Everest.-But-do-we-need-Internet-on-the-top-of-the-world

 

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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

[Chuck Profito]

Well in my area if its e-w about a turn, n-s  2 or 3.  But what do I know,
Tim's doing the turning, I'm calling the signal levels to him.  I'm the
tower bender!  :-)

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

 

So it's 50 foot higher and 10 miles away...what angle is that?

On Oct 20, 2010 1:38 PM, "Chuck Profito"  wrote:
> Come on Josh, 
> 
> get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and
> right, and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your
> height, now it's just up or down from level, a few turns.
> 
> Google is your friend!
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
> 
> 
> 
> I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place
> my projector. There are more uses then people think.
> 
> On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, "Mark Nash"  wrote:
>> YES LOL ;)
>> 
>> Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was
> trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had
to
> fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom.
>> 
>> The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of
> guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I
don't
> have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a
bit
> prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference.
Nobody
> else who opens my fridge knows, though.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Josh Luthman 
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
>> 
>> 
>> Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

[Chuck Profito]

Come on Josh,  

get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and
right,  and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your
height, now it's just up or down from level, a few turns.

Google is your friend!

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

 

I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place
my projector.  There are more uses then people think.

On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, "Mark Nash"  wrote:
> YES LOL ;)
> 
> Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was
trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to
fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom.
> 
> The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of
guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't
have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit
prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody
else who opens my fridge knows, though.
> - Original Message - 
> From: Josh Luthman 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
> 
> 
> Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?

[Chuck Profito]

News max popped up with it but not too much of an explanation.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?

 

LOL...  Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the
wireless sites, nor any other news site...  

 

So, my question...  Does anyone know anything about this?   

 

I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged
entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak.  

 

 

++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

 

From: RickG   

Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM

To: WISPA General List   

Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?

 

They'll call it the "obama-air bill".

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK  wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1

 

Quote:

 

An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice
and Commerce Departments, the
 F.B.I.and other agencies
recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the
Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says
telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they
can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being
presented with a court order.

There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar
with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a
package to Congress next year.

Another quote:

Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems
to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the
bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative
"safe harbor," ensuring the firm could not be fined.

 

I am obviously not being...  anything other that correct to say "People,
this is serious..."

You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face
massive liability for fines and fees?   

  

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Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

[Chuck Profito]

We have been using it a month or two, pretty slick app! you look at your
camera and move around and your towers float in on the I Phone's  screen,
like right over the third tree in the orchard, etc.

 

Chuck Profito

209-988-7388

CV-Access, Inc.

www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  

Providing Broadband Internet Access to 

California's Rural Central Valley

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

 

The iphone has an app called wifi align, and we have been using it with
pretty good results...can overlay your tower location via GPS onto your
camera view.


Regards,

Chuck



On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

Yah.thought I was gonna see this a few days ago.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:37 AM
To: WISPA General List


Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

 

Mike, replying offlist...

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

Where is this app?  :-p

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 10/19/2010 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: 

WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any
of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for
you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price
to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your
tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit
me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if
there is a big show of hands. 

Regards,

Cameron

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

I've never put a dish up half together.  I've always seen it done putting
everything together then hoisting it up. 



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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi 
wrote:

Actually not true in many cases.

If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree.
But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy.

 

After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine
align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not
necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. 

 

The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the
feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home
in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and
make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify
it is aligned.  Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe
1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the
hole.  

 

As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to
trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad
cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. 

 

Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side.

 

Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a
removable feed. 

 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>  

To: WISPA <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  General List 

Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

 

That's not realistically possible.  You would have to be extraordinarily
lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash  wrote:

(sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it
may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post)

 

I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower.

- Original Message - 

From: Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>  

To: WISPA <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  General List 

Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment

 

You would need more people then.  You can't align the dish without both
radios being powered.

You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site.  Both install at the same
time and they should finish around the same time frame.  Align before coming
down at all.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:

It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in
magnetic compass that yo

Re: [WISPA] UBNT repeater

[Chuck Profito]

You mean like open mesh with picos?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT repeater

 

I think the OpenWRT image will do that, but the stock firmware will not.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT repeater

 

Yeah, not that either. I must have dreamt there was a way to use UBNT gear
as a repeater/extender.

 

Greg

 

On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:23 PM, RickG wrote:

 

Not looking good for this: http://ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24089

&highlight=repeater

 

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:

I remember (I think) reading on this forum about how to use a UBNT radio as
a repeater (not WDS) by leaving the SSID blank and choosing Station mode.
Can anyone tell me how to do that? I'm near an open network (no encryption)
and I have permission to extend it. Can't do WDS, the existing AP doesn't
support it.

Thanks!
Greg




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Re: [WISPA] Anything is faster than DSL in Australia

[Chuck Profito]

I'm not a complete idiot -- Some parts are just missing. :-})

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anything is faster than DSL in Australia

 

OK, first thought: This makes the higher speeds of wireless look great as I
could easily beat the DSL upload time.

 

Second thought, carrier pigeons average abut 30mph
(http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_fast_can_a_pigeon_fly). So, 132km=82 miles.
That 80mph! Did I miss something?

 

***

 

Since it's Friday:

 

A mother pigeon and a baby pigeon were going to race together.

But baby pigeon said, "I can't make it; I'll get too tired." His mother
said, "Don't worry; I'll tie a piece of string to one of your legs and the
other end to mine."

The baby started to cry.

"What's wrong?" said the mother.

"I don't want to be pigeon towed!"

 

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Francois Menard  wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci2bFFGM8T8

And the winner has wings.

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Re: [WISPA] Weather Sensors

[Chuck Profito]

try Oregon Scientific Full Weather Station WMR80 / WMR80A


 I think one of these has a Ethernet port


 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Weather Sensors

 

I am looking for inexpensive, network aware weather sensors...

Maybe temp, wind speed and wind direction to start.

Other data would be useful as well.

I want to put these on my towers and then aggregate the data on our webpage.

Ideas?

This is a small project and it can't go much over $100-200 per location.

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Re: [WISPA] Bil-Jax Boom Lift

[Chuck Profito]

what is this "safety blanket" thingy?  If it's what I think it is, it's
called life line and dial up around here. Bell and AT&T get big bucks for
that! By by broadband.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:50 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bil-Jax Boom Lift

 

I hear ya, but I have that upfront cost that kills me.  I'm with the bottom
line (and the women/coven/ at home) I have to deal with.  

 

Just had to respond to the typical "Safety Blanket" email from the woman
just moments ago  *sigh*

 

Anyone else have to deal with this female safety blanket b.s.?

 

Dunno-

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bil-Jax Boom Lift

 

Robert, 

A boom truck will pay for itself quickly in:   #1- MANY  install's you never
thought you would get, #2 Roof liability #3 survey work #4  safety & ladder
comp claims.  

We started with a old 40 footer, then after recognizing their value, we went
to a 85 foot bucket / sign Crain truck, with bucket controls.  If there is
no other way to access the work, we charge a $25.00 boom truck fee.  You can
call it a fuel surcharge or whatever, but no one balks at the 25, but they
do start griping at around 40-50  :-)

 

 

Chuck Profito

209-988-7388

CV-Access, Inc.

www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  

Providing Broadband Internet Access to 

California's Rural Central Valley

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Bil-Jax Boom Lift

 

Has anyone used or owned a  Bil-Jax Towable Boom Lift?  Been looking..
Can't afford a decent boom truck so the economics work for one of these boom
lift trailers.

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Wind Turbines

[Chuck Profito]

Come on Mike, on windy days ask them to turn them off..

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 9:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind Turbines

  They just built a 151 turbine farm in my area.  No effect from what I 
can tell, but it's sort of on the fringe of my coverage.  There are a 
couple other WISPA members in my area, but I don't think they're on this 
list.  Might want to ask on the members list as well.

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On 9/11/2010 5:43 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
> Anyone have experience with a wind farm coming into their area. They are
> planning on 29 wind turbines about 8 miles from my tower. Should I panic
and
> raise objections or what.
> Thanx
> NGL
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bil-Jax Boom Lift

[Chuck Profito]

Robert, 

A boom truck will pay for itself quickly in:   #1- MANY  install's you never
thought you would get, #2 Roof liability #3 survey work #4  safety & ladder
comp claims.  

We started with a old 40 footer, then after recognizing their value, we went
to a 85 foot bucket / sign Crain truck, with bucket controls.  If there is
no other way to access the work, we charge a $25.00 boom truck fee.  You can
call it a fuel surcharge or whatever, but no one balks at the 25, but they
do start griping at around 40-50  :-)

 

 

Chuck Profito

209-988-7388

CV-Access, Inc.

www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  

Providing Broadband Internet Access to 

California's Rural Central Valley

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Bil-Jax Boom Lift

 

Has anyone used or owned a  Bil-Jax Towable Boom Lift?  Been looking..
Can't afford a decent boom truck so the economics work for one of these boom
lift trailers.

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Powerbridge M5 versus Nanobridge M5 ?

[Chuck Profito]

Tupperware

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powerbridge M5 versus Nanobridge M5 ?

Does anyone make a radome for the NB? I am thinking I have a unit or
two that could use one due to back tilt or facing the predominate
winter storm path. While I bet nothing would build up for long, it
might be long enough to be a issue.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> Sorry, wrong issue...
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>>
>> Eje and Mike Ford both posted the differences between the two units and
>> where to use them.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
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>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> On 9/9/2010 9:05 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> I did not see a resolution, did I miss it?
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Just had this discussion on the UBNT list a day or two ago, complete
>>> with UBNT input.
>>>
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/ubnt_users/2010-September/thread.html
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2010 10:52 PM, Francois Menard wrote:
>>> > I fear winter coming, and I have a location where a nanobridge M5 was
>>> > used ?
>>> >
>>> > Any experience with ice build-up on a nanobridge without a radome ?
>>> >
>>> > I suppose this is the main reason for choosing a power bridge M5 and
>>> > paying the additional 200+$ per end.
>>> >
>>> > Opinion ?
>>> >
>>> > F.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

[Chuck Profito]

ROUND UP + Air Plane = thousands in savings and pre made towers ;-)

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

No it's not...I didn't mean it that way. At least there are some mountains
or something to wirelessly backhaul to another place. Where I am at it's
just hills and hills and then some more hills. The hills usually run in an
average of height of 100' - 300' of each other. Once you find a way to go 20
miles you hit another hill thats 300' higher than you were. So you either
build a 1000' tower and hope for the best or you put up 10 towers to go 50
miles, either get VERY expensive.

 

Scottie

 

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Hammett   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:28 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

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On 9/2/2010 11:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: 

Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for
6 meg connections.

 

Scott

- Original Message - 

From: Travis Johnson   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)...
and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am
selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools,
etc. for $500/month. 

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: 

I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in rural
Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right
now does not apply to me.

Friendly Regards,

Mike

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,

Chuck




On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv



On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box
or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support
calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from
your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
> Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an
ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all
content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites
you choose.
>
> If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use
TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy
can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly
from a client instead of your Squid box.
>
> Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid
box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your
users continue to surf the web normally.
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

[Chuck Profito]

Tom, that $40 SBC  should be a old CB3 from the junk pile.  We now call them
"power pingers"

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

 

Its tough to find "Low cost" DC inverter equipment that supports built-in
IP.

 

 Triplite makes an excellent line of Inverters, and they are affordable.
(come in 12v  , 24V, and 48V), and can handle high amerage
charging and near unlimited load.

 

The problem is that these do NOT support IP type intelligence. There is a
physical port that can show some INverter detail, such as when running on
battery or not.

But this is a physical port that basically send voltage over one of the pins
to state the condition. It actually has a remote physical LED block that can
plug into that port.

IF someone took the time, they could make an adapter to connect that port to
a computers or SBC's serial or parallel port and write a small program to
read the pin voltage (on or off), and then use the SBC's SNMP or something
to enable the power state to be polled.  ONe way to get data on power
outages is to plug a small $40 SBC bypassing the Batteries directly to the
AC, then if that device is no longer pingable, you know no power is there.


 

 

Anyway, I use the Triplites now, but I as well, am looking for something of
similar spec quality that has IP built-in, to simplify and improve remote
monitoring.

 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: David Sovereen   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:51 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

 

With nearly all of our equipment being 24V DC, is anyone running their sites
off of batteries connected to an AC battery charger?  I'm envisioning
something like a solar setup, but instead of using solar panels to charge
the batteries, you use an AC-powered battery charger.  This would eliminate
the AC to DC to AC to DC conversion that a typical UPS setup would
introduce, making the efficiency far better and the run-times far longer.
I'm thinking I would like to do this (I need to revamp our UPSes everywhere
anyway) but am not sure of what pieces and parts I need or if this is a
terrible idea that I should run away from.

 

Dave


==

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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

Sadly.  My last UPS I built was from parts pulled outta the
dumpster behind the local defunct Gold Star Chili Store.   Salvaged the EXIT
sign.  2 6v batteries and charging/switch board.

I live a strange life.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their
physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750 and 1500s
with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through Ingram Micro.

-Paul

On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote:

> I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card
AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
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> Suite A
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> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com  
> - Original Message -
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> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP
>
> I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me with the
price.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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[WISPA] The Big Dog Talks

[Chuck Profito]

AT&T: Net rules must allow 'paid prioritization'

by Declan McCullagh

  

AT&T said Tuesday that any Net neutrality plan restricting its ability to
engage in "paid prioritization" of network traffic would be harmful and
contrary to the fundamental principles of the Internet.

Telecommunications providers need the ability to set different prices for
different forms of Internet service, AT&T said, adding that it already has
"hundreds" of customers who have paid extra for higher-priority services.

"Our view is that if the Federal Communications Commission is going to be
making policy decisions on this front, it should base them on the facts, as
opposed to dogma," an AT&T representative told CNET on Tuesday. In a blog
post, AT&T vice president Hank Hultquist argued that the Internet
Engineering Task Force's specifications specifically permit paid
prioritization.

The flap over paid prioritization started a few weeks ago when Free Press, a
pro-regulatory advocacy group, sent letters (No. 1 and No. 2) to the FCC
dubbing the concept "discriminatory" and claiming it will "only benefit the
few content giants that have deep enough pockets to pay for favorable
treatment."

In a telephone interview on Tuesday, Free Press research director Derek
Turner said that allowing paid prioritization would undercut the entire
concept of Net neutrality, which had its previous legal foundation swept
away earlier this year when a federal appeals court shot down the FCC's
attempt to punish Comcast for temporarily throttling BitTorrent transfers.

Since that ruling, liberal interest groups have been lobbying FCC chairman
Julius Genachowski for a new set of regulations, while a majority of members
of the U.S. Congress has opposed the idea. Google and Verizon responded by
announcing their own proposal, which includes a "presumption" that paid
prioritization on wired networks is illegal.

"A ban on paid prioritization is the DNA of the open Internet," Turner said.
He called AT&T's arguments a "straw man," saying that: "What AT&T is
describing is a practice that we have no problem with, which is that an end
user can buy a T1 and set priority flags, and AT&T respects those priority
flags."

Prioritization 'expected'
But the designers of the protocols that make up the modern Internet had
something a bit more ambitious in mind. In the late 1990s, the Internet
Engineering Task Force revised those standards to allow network operators to
assign up to 64 different traffic "classes," meaning priority levels.

Free Press "wants to force consumers to be charged higher rates to pay for
the construction of more broadband infrastructure than would be needed if
networks could be better managed," says Berin Szoka, a senior fellow at the
Progress and Freedom Foundation, which has been critical of new broadband
regulations.

A July 1999 IETF specification (RFC 2638) discusses paid prioritization by
saying: "It is expected that premium traffic would be allocated a small
percentage of the total network capacity, but that it would be priced much
higher." Another specification (RFC 2475) published half a year earlier says
that setting different priorities for packets will "accommodate
heterogeneous application requirements and user expectations" and "permit
differentiated pricing of Internet service."

Today that concept of "differentiated services" is referred to as DiffServ.
It's part of quality-of-service technologies that companies like AT&T offer,
usually to business customers, that rely on DiffServ packet headers to group
different types of classes of service together. Real-time voice
communication may be ranked the highest, followed by financial transactions,
then e-mail, and finally bulk file-transfer protocols that aren't as
sensitive to brief slowdowns.

It's true that DiffServ markings are typically used inside corporate
networks to support applications like VoIP. But a video-conferencing site
that has connectivity through AT&T could presumably use DiffServ to
prioritize its packets over, say, online shopping and BitTorrent
transfers--and keep that priority all the way to an AT&T home customer.

Which is precisely the argument that AT&T is making. In a strongly-worded
letter (PDF) sent Monday to the FCC, AT&T says that the protocol
specification "in no way limits the use of DiffServ to packets marked by
'end users,' as opposed to content providers or network operators."

"The (FCC) should view with healthy skepticism the opinions it receives on
technical Internet matters from an advocacy group with no demonstrable
expertise or operational experience in those matters," AT&T's letter says.
"Paid prioritization over Internet access is not, as Free Press maintains,
some lurking future menace that would pervert the intent of the IETF. To the
contrary, it was fully contemplated by the IETF."

Free Press' Turner disagrees. "DiffServ was not designed to be a tool to
allow the network provider to drive application-level discrimination," he
says. He says

Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

[Chuck Profito]

2 Picos then

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:30 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

Wall shot is not workable either.  These are old buildings that 2.4 does not
penetrate at all (and 900 is out of the question) - we've already tried
because the cable runs are just a real big pain!!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:24 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru  say
one wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though.

 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote: 

You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley 
wrote:

Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') with
power that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up radios.  Has to
mount outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this
situation.  Bandwidth is not that big of a deal - 3-6meg will be more than
enough.  Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings.  

 

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Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

[Chuck Profito]

Then you have to have two, client and ap . if you are only going thru  say
one wall, how about a single ruckus, the packman one.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Close range radio recommendation

 

The Nanos have a hard time adjusting power down that far, though.



 
-
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On 8/30/2010 11:38 AM, RickG wrote: 

You didnt mention if clear LOS or not. If so, Nanostation2. 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jason Hensley 
wrote:

Need something that will go a very short distance (less than 150') with
power that's able to adjust down to where it doesn't burn up radios.  Has to
mount outside, and no, there's no way to run Ethernet or fiber in this
situation.  Bandwidth is not that big of a deal - 3-6meg will be more than
enough.  Need only for VoIP traffic between two buildings.  

 

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Re: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?

[Chuck Profito]

http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] DC Remote reboot?

 

   Does anyone know of a product which is a POE power supply in addition to
having remote reboot capabilities?  Imagine this scenario.  You have DC
running up a 400 foot tower.  You have a DCV switch at the top with DC
POE's.  The switch is not POE but external POEs plugged into a
"distribution" block.  In otherwords there is no AC running up the tower.
Are there any devices which can interrupt the DC power via remote management
to reboot a single device?

Justin
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Re: [WISPA] No broadband? No problem

[Chuck Profito]

THAT LAST PARAGRAPH IS SO TRUE, ESPECIALLY HERE ON THE LEFT COAST!

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Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:29 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] No broadband? No problem

No broadband? No problem
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[WISPA] A Big Microsoft Tuesday

[Chuck Profito]

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1726870/microsoft-plans-mega-patch-tuesday
 

 

 

Microsoft plans a mega-patch Tuesday 

This cycle never ends 

By Edward 

  Berridge 

Fri Aug 06 2010, 09:53 

SOFTWARE COBBLER Microsoft plans to send out a record batch of 14 security 
updates next week to patch 34 vulnerabilities in Windows, Internet Explorer 
(IE), Office and Silverlight.

Eight of the 14 software updates are ranked as "critical" while the remaining 
six are marked as "important".

The count of 34 individual patches equals the monthly record, which was first 
set last October and repeated in June 2010. Since eight of these are called 
critical that matches the previous record that the Vole set in October 2009.

It seems that the larger Microsoft updates are landing in even-numbered months 
and the smaller ones in odd numbered months. Thus we have the impression that 
patches are being sent out in numbers and on schedules that suit Microsoft's 
spinners in its PR department rather than its developers or customers.

According to Microsoft's monthly advance notification  
 , the 
company will deliver 10 updates for Windows, half of them critical and the 
other five rated important. Two updates will patch one or more critical bugs in 
IE and Silverlight, while another pair will fix bugs in Microsoft Office.

All versions of Windows are involved, with Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) 
being the oldest to get a fix. Windows XP is affected by all five Windows-only 
critical updates, as well as by the critical Internet Exploder and Silverlight 
fixes.

Windows 7 is not completely unscathed either. Two of the five critical Windows 
updates apply to the Vole's newest operating system, as do the critical IE and 
Silverlight patches. All up Windows 7 will receive at least 10 of the 14 
planned updates. So much for being a superior operating system.

The Office updates are aimed at flaws in Word and Excel. Both updates also 
apply to the Mac editions of Word and Excel, even though Mac OS X is supposedly 
the most secure operating system in the world and never has a problem with 
malware. µ

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

[Chuck Profito]

BORG fish , MESHED with iNet?  Ingenious!  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:10 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] M series ubnt products

 

I thought something was fishy there!

http://afsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8675%282001%29021%3C0236%3AMBOIA
E%3E2.0.CO%3B2?journalCode=fima

 

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

hehe... typo bunt = ubnt 

:)



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
 


On 8/9/2010 12:05 PM, RickG wrote: 

Bench test is always good! 

 

"bunt antenna"???

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

You have not provided much technical detail...

For best effect I would use rocket M and not bullet...and use the bunt
antennas

Did you test your setup in the lab? If yes ...then you old be having signal
issues...(ap antenna till issue ?)if no..then you could be having
settings issues in addition to signal issues...

Keep in mind bullets are 1x1 Mimo..will do about 65x65mpbs in 20Mhz
channelwhich would mean about 35-40Mbps tcp throughput about right.


Faisal


On Aug 9, 2010, at 4:42 AM, "Jide Ayodele" 
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I just set up a new POP for base station. This base station
> has the tallest tower mast of about 100 meters. I installed
> two APs- bullet M5 with 90 degrees base station antenna
> each. Each facing different directions.
>
> I have about 15 customers I want to migrate to the new base
> station. The farthest customer to the base station is about
> 3 km from the APs. I planned installing Loco M5 for closer
> clients and NS M5 for farther clients. I installed Loco M5
> for three close customers of about less than 1 km to the
> base station. Every other customer is about 1km and above
> and installing Loco M5 has not been successful with them
> also, I tried NS M5 in one of the locations(about 2 km away
> from the AP)but no success. A total speed test of 36Mbps
> from customer location with rx of about 10 Mbps and tx of
> 26Mbps.
>
> May I request for you technical support. I still plan to
> install more and completely migrate all my clients to
> ubiquity products.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

[Chuck Profito]

For residential we charge 10 per month too, Business is included in the
monthly billing...

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Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:59 PM
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BellSouth (ATT) charges $10.

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:27 PM, John Thomas  wrote:
> And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.
>
> John
>
> Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>
>>Everything i keep coming up with to make this work "ideal" according to
the
>>customer is I"m gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins*
>>and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to
the
>>customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves.
>>
>>-Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>To: "WISPA General List" 
>>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
>>
>>
>>> Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me
do
>>>> my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet
and
>>>> web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port
>>>> from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone
>>>> else.
>>>>
>>>> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you
>>>> are doing NAT.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Adam Kennedy
>>>> Network Engineer
>>>> Omnicity, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
>>>>
>>>> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
>>>> that it's a big security hole.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts on that?
>>>> marlon
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
>>>>
>>>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
>>>> it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
>>>> gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even
>>>> this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
>>>> (I think it's called open?).
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to
>>>>> you
>>>>> about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about
>>>>> being
>>>>> behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
>>>>> servers.
>>>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and
>>>>> Play
>>>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
>>>>> masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
>>>>> device?
>>>>> Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let
>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Chuck Profito]

http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html

This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved a
trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
how long the batteries will last.


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  
Providing Broadband Internet Access to 
California's Rural Central Valley


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at 
WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are 
cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.

-- 


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions on high-powered indoor CPEs?

[Chuck Profito]

RUCKUS DUAL ZONE

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:21 AM
To: members; wireless
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions on high-powered indoor
CPEs?

Ruckus

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 08 July 2010 15:24
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions on high-powered indoor
CPEs?

Ubiquiti products

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.
--- Winston Churchill



On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Martha Huizenga 
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We are looking for suggestions on high-powered indoor CPE's. We have been
> using Eniginus products, but want to explore other options. Any
suggestions?
>
> thanks
>
> Martha Huizenga
> DC Access, LLC
> 202-546-5898
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP

[Chuck Profito]

small change:
" Please contact YOUR SERVICE PROVIDER!"

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP

A thought occurs...

If you know what mac/IP are bad people then redirect them to a page that
says:

"You're getting Internet illegally.  Please contact your service provider."

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:
>  I think your only reasonable attempt with no support requirements is
> to cut the ack time.  Anything else reduces the coverage inside the
> establishment or increases support.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 7/7/2010 10:16 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> Hey Gang
>>
>>
>>
>> Do anyone knows a equivalent of max range for a WIFI AP? Would the ACk
>> parameter work?
>>
>>
>>
>> WE have some restaurant chains with a free wifi for patrons, latest
>> trend in our market is some Sat Guys selling a WIFI antenna for
>> connecting Houses to Free WIFI Hotspots.I would like to limi the
>> range on the APs for half a mile or so
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


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Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP

[Chuck Profito]

We have some open spots.  When tower usage spikes Tim starts looking. So
when we see an obvious offender, like a mac logged on for 2 days, we just
block him.  if we get a complaint, we'll turn it back on, but 98 times out
of 100, no complaints. Actually, Tim's batting 100% because I don't think we
have ever had a complaint from those open spots, except the P2P won't run! (
Yeah, steeling is still steeling in our network. )

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  
Providing Broadband Internet Access to 
California's Rural Central Valley



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP

Good lord are you mad?!?!  No restaurant owner wants to do that
massive amount of work...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> I was thinking about some way for the restaurant to identify the MAC
addresses of the machines customers have in the restaurant (maybe a simple
code 3 digit code would pop up on the customer's web browser, the restaurant
operator could use that code to identify the MAC address and allow access.
After 30 mins of no access the MAC address would get deauthorized.
>
> Greg
>
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
>> Thinking outside the box, could there be an ever changing authorization
code
>> that would be posted maybe via Led sign inside the business offering g
the
>> free Wi-Fi?  Code good for maybe an hour?
>>
>> I'm only an idea person.  The rest is up to you...
>>
>> (Translation=Me Lazy)
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:08 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP
>>
>> Sounds fair
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP
>>
>> Gino,
>>
>> Can you maybe do a redirect page every hour or two?  Simply state you're
>> using free Gino internet please be sure you accept these terms of use
then
>> hit accept to keep using it.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue
>> that counts."
>> --- Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>>> Exactly.  Might as well deal with them and either stop them or annoy
them.
>>> Either way they move on.
>>> --
>>> Justin Wilson 
>>> http://www.mtin.net/blog
>>> Wisp Consulting  Tower Climbing  Network Support
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Josh Luthman 
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:34:30 -0400
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP
>>>
>>> Costs of stopping it are higher then doing a technical work around.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>>> continue that counts.²
>>> --- Winston Churchill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>>>> WE have some restaurant chains with a free wifi for patrons, latest
>>>>> trend in our market is some Sat Guys selling a WIFI antenna for
>>>>> connecting Houses to Free WIFI Hotspots.
>>>>
>>>> Is that legal?  Or is it state by state?
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 

Re: [WISPA] Windows 7 - Is FIPS for DIPS?

[Chuck Profito]

Your answer is here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Security_Services#FIPS_140_validation_a
nd_NISCC_testingits a crypto thingy

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:21 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Windows 7 - Is FIPS for DIPS?

Customer called a few minutes ago asking if she should "Enable FIPS" on her
Windows 7 net book.

 

HUH?

 

So I pull out one of our net books, go to Manage Wireless Connections, then
view the connections properties then Advanced (Microsoft buries
everything..)  and there is a checkbox for Enabling Federal Information
Processing Standards (FIPS).  

 

Dunno!  I tell her it's not a big deal, just leave it.  I'm not into the
FIPS, even the acronym sounds stupid.  I've read up on it a bit here the
past few minutes, what's the point of all this FIPS?  

 

Is FIPS for DIPS?

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] yet another "WiMAX vs LTE" article

[Chuck Profito]

No, i pretty sure they were all G's. We detune n to g anyway, they can be
too powerful and will jam our own incoming signal if set in n mode.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rogelio
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] yet another "WiMAX vs LTE" article

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Chuck Profito 
wrote:
> Actually we have found Ruckus to do very well with multipath! i.e.  boat
> docks, moving water, moving boats, moving rolled tin structure, generating
> killer multipath, kills EVERY OTHER ROUTER/AP EXCEPT RUCKUS.  try it ,
> you'll like it.

Chuck, were these other radios 802.11n?

I ask because pre 802.11n, multipath hurt the performance, as
802.11a/b/g were switched diversity (i.e. take the *best* signal and
ignore the other ones). Now that the 802.11n standard has MRC, all of
those signals are combined automagically (in theory, of course).

So, yes...Ruckus has the reputation of making some kickass antennas to
deal with multiplath, but I'm wondering if they can still maintain
that edge now that the standard is solidified by IEEE.  Put
differently, how "smart" are their antennas now that the standard does
a lot of what they were bragging about before?  Is their "secret
sauce" now simply a commodity?




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Re: [WISPA] yet another "WiMAX vs LTE" article

[Chuck Profito]

Actually we have found Ruckus to do very well with multipath! i.e.  boat
docks, moving water, moving boats, moving rolled tin structure, generating
killer multipath, kills EVERY OTHER ROUTER/AP EXCEPT RUCKUS.  try it ,
you'll like it.


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209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  
Providing Broadband Internet Access to 
California's Rural Central Valley


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] yet another "WiMAX vs LTE" article

> Since their beam forming is dynamic, I would expect it to work very well
> in that environment.

As Ruckus beamforming is based on selecting a receiver instead of
combining the signals, it should indeed deal with ducting but not too
well with multi-path.

> No Beam forming is expected from Ubiquity... just MIMO...

If Quantenna, Celeno or the other chip makers come up with a
cost-effective 802.11n beamforming solution, and they claim they will,
may be UBNT rethinks this issue.


Rubens




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Re: [WISPA] ClearWire

[Chuck Profito]

???
 I know it was an old database #, so  I tried it and got thru, I'm sure the
ext tree is not past you. mcc

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ClearWire

Smart ass

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 6/30/2010 12:03 AM, Chuck Profito wrote:
> Craig McCaw
> Craig McCaw  Headquarters
> 2300 CARILLON POINT
> Kirkland Washington 98033
> Telephone: (425) 216-7600
> Toll Free: 800-305-5873
> Fax: (425) 216-7900
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] ClearWire
>
> Does anyone have a non consumer-facing contact at ClearWire?
>
>




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Re: [WISPA] ClearWire

[Chuck Profito]

Craig McCaw
Craig McCaw  Headquarters
2300 CARILLON POINT
Kirkland Washington 98033
Telephone: (425) 216-7600
Toll Free: 800-305-5873
Fax: (425) 216-7900

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ClearWire

Does anyone have a non consumer-facing contact at ClearWire?

-- 


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Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

[Chuck Profito]

How about a west coast regional 2 or 3 day WISPA cruise  like SF to LA ,
or just Long Beach to Catalina

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?

Robert,

Are you on the Promotion Committee?  These are all important inputs we 
need when we make decisions, it wasn't the board who decided, they 
followed the recommendations of the Promotion Committee.  We have no 
intention of having another summer show, we have learned a lot in this 
our first show and that's one of them.  You can join at 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/Promotion

If you don't have the time that's fine it's a dent in my summer schedule 
too and I'm not just going for the two days, but no incentive I think 
not, there is a lot of benefit going to this meeting.  I'm not sure 
asking what concerns there were was necessary unless to help people who 
needed help coming but to rehash minority views in a well documented 
series of surveys, webinars, and question/answer opportunities isn't 
productive, I hope to see you up front at our next attempt at this 
ongoing series.

Thanks,
Forbes
Promotion Committee Chair

On 6/27/2010 9:41 PM, Robert West wrote:
> " We originally picked St. Louis"
>
> With total and absolute respect for the board, we had an online discussion
> of where and why among all of us and St. Louis really wasn't in the mix.
> The timing is also "weird" because the summer, at least for me, is the
> busiest because the weather is damn best for fixing everything and getting
> new AP's installed.  I'm working like hell to beat the snow.  (Just got in
> from a new AP install)
>
> Get me in mid-January and I'll have plenty of time.  Look at the volume of
> list postings and you'll understand.  The winter gives us all lots of time
> to list post thus empty time in our schedules.  Graph it out, you'll
> understand.  Yeah, travel in the winter sucks.  But I got's
the
> time then!
>
> Besides...  St. Louis?
>
> I went to the Dayton Hamvention, met some WISPA members, saw some great
> "junk" and spent some cash.  Not to push Dayton (Dayton blows)  but as we
> talked about before, a hook up with another similar event is the cool
thing
> for me.  No matter where it is.  I really don't care where but the
> Hamvention is well known by a lot of WISPA Hams.
>
> Anyhow, just no time and no incentive in going.  Ticket price and hotel
> price have no bearing on my lack of attending.
>
> Anyone with similar issues???
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Rick Harnish
> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:28 PM
> To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?
>
> Members and WISP followers,
>
>
>
> We would like to better understand some of the challenges that many of you
> face on a daily basis as we continue to fine tune the Regional Meeting
> Agenda.  As you know the 1st Regional Meeting is scheduled for July 21st
and
> 22nd in St. Louis. We have been pleasantly surprised at the response we
have
> received from vendors in our industry in committing to exhibit at our
> Regional Meeting.
>
>
>
> One thing we have noticed during the signup period is that many WISPs that
> are attending are traveling long distances to come to St. Louis in the
first
> stages of signup.  We originally picked St. Louis because of its central
> location in the US and because there are a tremendous amount of WISP
> companies throughout the Central US.  We really anticipated that 70% of
our
> attendees at this meeting would come from a 500 mile radius from St.
Louis.
> This does not seem to be the case and we find ourselves wondering why this
> to be the case.
>
>
>
> My first inclination is to blame it on weather.  I realize that weather in
> the Central US has been extremely volatile this summer with persistent
> storms continually moving across the region.  I am asking if this is
really
> the reason preventing many Midwestern WISPs from signing up for this
meeting
> or not.  If it is something else, I would like to investigate further.  We
> believe it is our obligation to the Vendors who have committed staff,
money
> and resources to attend the meeting, that we ask these tough questions.
>
>
>
> Our goal and the budget for the RM are based on a count of 200 attendees.
We
> are pretty sure we will reach this goal but if we are not going to get
> there, we need to start preparing now.  As you may or may not know, we do
> have a price increase of $50 per attendee beginning on July 1st.  It would
> be silly of me not to point this out to any prospective attendees.
>
>
>
> This week, we were able to negotiate a much nicer hotel and meeting
> facilities at the Renaissance Hotel in St. Louis.  The Renaissance
actually
> lowered

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

[Chuck Profito]

yes Greg, we used to think a Smart Bridge was the "Cat's Meow" then the CB3
came out! :-)

Since that's an exploration drilling ship, I'll bet it's some sort of sub
surface positioning radar/ sonar/ or some such,  linked to the thrusters and
gps to keep it on position. I wonder if it could be worse in the water? But
a mile away, sideways, that would be a lot of water to penetrate with a side
lobe, or even reflect.   Could they call the harbor master and ask him to
contact the Capt or 1st officer. 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 4:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

That's funny. That article claims that  "Below 900 MHz the target radar
cross section increases exponentially, however the increased radar cross
section means that there is much more radar return from undesirable sources,
such as cloud cover and rain (cf. weather radar)." but when I worked on
ships we used S and X band radars. The S band (lower frequency) was better
in the rain and usually had better range, but the X band gave more detailed
and sharper images (such as a more accurate and realistic representation of
the coastline, and a more accurate representation of the size of boats and
ships) but it had more problems with rain clutter.

I guess that's why Wikipedia is free. You get what you pay for.

Greg

On Jun 19, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Chuck Profito wrote:

> there it is  sub surface low freq radar  Google and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-frequency_radar  are our friends...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:01 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships
> 
> Possible but don't quit believe so since 900MHz GSM uses 890-914Mhz for
> uplink (cell to base station), and 921-960Mhz for download (basestation to
> cell). That strong signal wouldn't come from cells and the basestation
would
> just ruin the top part of the frequency. Maritime cell systems I seen
don't
> offer 3G type services and GSM gprs/edge channel size is 200khz. 4G will
> have 4 to 20MHz dynamic channel size. 
> 
> Would really need to verify that the signal for sure is coming from the
ship
> and not somewhere else. 
> If that is the case maybe look at getting hold of someone from the ship to
> check with them what it might be. Don't forget to shut down your own AP
> while you run the SA at the AP location to avoid false readings and make
> sure it's not actually something newly installed at that location. 
> 
> / Eje
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 1:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships
> 
> "Plug the damn hole!" - lol! Sorry, I couldnt help it :)
> Since it's a UK ship, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
> http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-ships.01/
> 
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, jp  wrote:
>> We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a
>> few days for repairs.
>> 
>> http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drilling&p=stenaforth
>> 
>> Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped
>> working. We went out with the spectrum analyser after the Alvarion
>> software spectrum analyzer went off the charts. The HP spectrum analyzer
>> with a 9dbi yagi was picking up big fat gaussian shaped signals at -20
>> to -25dbm about 10-15mhz wide in the middle. I sent my guys to a second
>> location with the spectrum analyzer just to make sure they weren't
>> seeing local interfernce and they saw the same thing. A legal amount of
>> power output would cause it to come in at about -50.
>> 
>> Anyone else seen such strange stuff coming from this type of ship? I've
>> never seen any trouble from any ship ever, though this is the first
>> drilling ship to visit our area.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> /*
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Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

[Chuck Profito]

there it is  sub surface low freq radar  Google and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-frequency_radar  are our friends...

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

Possible but don't quit believe so since 900MHz GSM uses 890-914Mhz for
uplink (cell to base station), and 921-960Mhz for download (basestation to
cell). That strong signal wouldn't come from cells and the basestation would
just ruin the top part of the frequency. Maritime cell systems I seen don't
offer 3G type services and GSM gprs/edge channel size is 200khz. 4G will
have 4 to 20MHz dynamic channel size. 

Would really need to verify that the signal for sure is coming from the ship
and not somewhere else. 
If that is the case maybe look at getting hold of someone from the ship to
check with them what it might be. Don’t forget to shut down your own AP
while you run the SA at the AP location to avoid false readings and make
sure it's not actually something newly installed at that location. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 1:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

"Plug the damn hole!" - lol! Sorry, I couldnt help it :)
Since it's a UK ship, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-ships.01/

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, jp  wrote:
> We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a
> few days for repairs.
>
> http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drilling&p=stenaforth
>
> Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped
> working. We went out with the spectrum analyser after the Alvarion
> software spectrum analyzer went off the charts. The HP spectrum analyzer
> with a 9dbi yagi was picking up big fat gaussian shaped signals at -20
> to -25dbm about 10-15mhz wide in the middle. I sent my guys to a second
> location with the spectrum analyzer just to make sure they weren't
> seeing local interfernce and they saw the same thing. A legal amount of
> power output would cause it to come in at about -50.
>
> Anyone else seen such strange stuff coming from this type of ship? I've
> never seen any trouble from any ship ever, though this is the first
> drilling ship to visit our area.
>
>
> --
> /*
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Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

[Chuck Profito]

CAN THAT BE SOME FORM OF RADAR?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

Possible but don't quit believe so since 900MHz GSM uses 890-914Mhz for
uplink (cell to base station), and 921-960Mhz for download (basestation to
cell). That strong signal wouldn't come from cells and the basestation would
just ruin the top part of the frequency. Maritime cell systems I seen don't
offer 3G type services and GSM gprs/edge channel size is 200khz. 4G will
have 4 to 20MHz dynamic channel size. 

Would really need to verify that the signal for sure is coming from the ship
and not somewhere else. 
If that is the case maybe look at getting hold of someone from the ship to
check with them what it might be. Don’t forget to shut down your own AP
while you run the SA at the AP location to avoid false readings and make
sure it's not actually something newly installed at that location. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 1:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

"Plug the damn hole!" - lol! Sorry, I couldnt help it :)
Since it's a UK ship, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-ships.01/

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, jp  wrote:
> We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a
> few days for repairs.
>
> http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drilling&p=stenaforth
>
> Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped
> working. We went out with the spectrum analyser after the Alvarion
> software spectrum analyzer went off the charts. The HP spectrum analyzer
> with a 9dbi yagi was picking up big fat gaussian shaped signals at -20
> to -25dbm about 10-15mhz wide in the middle. I sent my guys to a second
> location with the spectrum analyzer just to make sure they weren't
> seeing local interfernce and they saw the same thing. A legal amount of
> power output would cause it to come in at about -50.
>
> Anyone else seen such strange stuff coming from this type of ship? I've
> never seen any trouble from any ship ever, though this is the first
> drilling ship to visit our area.
>
>
> --
> /*
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>    KB1IOJ        |   Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting
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Re: [WISPA] For Sale

[Chuck Profito]

Those are not used CB3's anymore,  those are power pingers!!!

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:59 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] For Sale

I've got a bunch of stuff we are trying to get rid of that is left over in
our warehouse after the sale:

~50 DSS style mounts - some with long arms, about 20 still in the box they
were shipped to us in, another 10 or so that were never assembled and the
rest are "used". - $150 + shipping for all


~20 Tranzeo CPE's - mix of CPE-200-15, CPE-200-19, CPQ-200-15, and
CPQ-200-19 - some work and some don't  - $50 plus shipping for all of them


~50 Engenius CB3 + Deluxe radios - pre-deployed but just about every one
still runs  - $50 + shipping


1 Pac Wireless 2 ft soid dish with radome and 5 GHz feed - $25 + shipping


1 Pac Wireless 2ft solid dish NO radome and 5GHz feed. - $25 + shipping


I've also got several Pac grids of different gains and frequencies. If
anyone really want's these I can get more details on them.


1U NetEQ box (don't know which model but I'm guessing it is the 10MB version
- came out of a wisp we took over) Missing Top cover because a lager fan was
added to the heatsink - $250 + shipping


Cisco 2600 with 2 T1 interfaces - $50


If you are anywhere near Fort Worth, you can come pick the stuff up,
otherwise I'll ship to you via ups or fed-ex ground.

Thanks,

Cameron




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Re: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?

[Chuck Profito]

Look at one of our vendor members, higher cost than roll your own, but
everything in one box, server, radius, etc., etc.  It may prove to be a
lower cost for a difficult start up and difficult area, leading to better
customer satisfaction and word of mouth advertising, faster ROI and
penetration.
 http://www.bluemesh.net  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:23 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?

First off, I'd like to say hello to the list.  Mike Hammett pointed 
me at it a couple of weeks ago, after I posted a wireless-related 
question (wireless in the trees) at isp-clec, and he reposted it 
here.  This list is a lot more active... I've been reading the past 
few months archives and it's really quite informative.

I'm a consultant working with competitive service providers all over 
the place.  I don't run a WISP but some clients do.  I am working now 
with a startup that wants to serve some "unserved" (no cable or DSL, 
just long-loop POTS/dial-up) remote territory which is about to get 
middle mile service to the nearest "city" (year-round pop. <10,000, 
but it's big for the area) thanks to a stimulus grant.

The unserved "last mile" area covers a strip about 5 to 30 miles from 
the backbone point.  It's the RF environment from hell:  Heavily 
wooded and hilly.  The most valuable strip of land is a long narrow 
beachfront strip a block or so wide, with a palisade (steep wooded 
hill) blocking it from the rest of the area.  Plus it's convex 
(curves out into the big lake) so your line of sight within the 
beachside strip is very small.  So in most places on the waterfront 
there's not even cellular service, since the cell sites are over the 
rim.  No WISP is crazy enough to go there.  My clients and I, 
however, are unusually crazy... why else would we be in the 
communications business?

Given that environment, there only way to get to most of the 
subscribers is via multiple hops.  We'd come down to the beach in at 
least two points near the ends, maybe in the middle too, and build 
microwave rings.

I don't see how this could work with any of the canned mesh 
solutions.  Most, like SkyPilot, only mesh at 5.8 Ghz, and there are 
some paths that are just too woody for that to work.  Some of the 
subscriber access sites may need 900 too.  I think each RF path and 
local-coverage cell will have to be engineered to local conditions.

What looks to be the most flexible approach might be to use the 
MicroTik Routerboard multi-radio mPCI systems.  Then we can use 
off-the-shelf 5.8 GHz cards and PtP antennas for the clear paths, and 
plug in the Ubiquiti XR9 or similar high-power 900 radio for tree 
blasting.  User access would probably be sectorized at whatever band works.

MicroTik says they have a meshing protocol, HWMPplus, that provides 
Layer 2 (this is critical; we're not building a Layer 3 network, and 
with this many hops, latency and loss are critical) dynamic meshing, 
essentially applying a routing protocol (smarter than bridge STPs) 
among nodes.  I can't find any documentation for it on line, though, 
and a distributor I've been talking to has never tried or sold 
it.  So does anyone on the list have any experience with the HWMPplus 
mesh?  Or any other suggestions?  Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] NANOG49 presentation: Long Distance Wireless Network Deployment for Support on the Farallon Islands

[Chuck Profito]

Thank You Courtney, I noticed NANOG49 was sponsored  by NETFLIX this year...

What was the general opinion of them  by the membership?  
And did they , NETFLIX, have any news or announcements?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Courtney Smith
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:06 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] NANOG49 presentation: Long Distance Wireless Network
Deployment for Support on the Farallon Islands

Thought some folks might be interested in this presentation given at 
NANOG meeting this week.



*Abstract: *
This presentation will address planning and deployment for a 50Km link 
between the City of San Francisco's fiber network and the Farallon 
Islands off the coast of San Francisco in support of the scientist on 
the islands and the California Academy of Sciences project to provide a 
high quality live streaming camera on site. The presentation will cover 
the requirements for a very limited budget and power consumption, issues 
of remote deployments, long distance microwave links over the ocean, 
sensitivity to the largest breeding colony the contiguous United States.

Additional network topics will be the requirement to support various 
services on the island via VLANs, fiber deployment to overcome distance 
and lightning, RF path calculations, "tuning" of the radio modulations 
schemes to provide the best up-time and remote support of a location 
that may only be accessible once a month.

http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/abstracts.php?pt=MTYwOCZuYW5vZzQ5&nm=nanog
49

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Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

[Chuck Profito]

GPS :-)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems

Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync?

-- 


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Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

[Chuck Profito]

I stand corrected, dumbfounded and humbled.

BTW  how about a photo and spec on that " our own design and manufacture
slotted waveguide sector"


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
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www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  
Providing Broadband Internet Access to 
California's Rural Central Valley



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

NOT.All my access points are star-os based, and I use NO amps anywhere, 
and with the exception of one long point to point link, no high power cards,

either.   ( that link is now out of production, replaced by ubnt rocketm5 
and solid dishes.  )

netbook end, is whatever atheros based card it comes with, the access point 
is a WLM54SAG, not the high power version, and set at default output, 
connected to our own design and manufacture slotted waveguide sector.

For many years, it was a CM9 at the AP, but last year it started behaving 
strange,  and it got replaced.


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------
From: "Chuck Profito" 
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:03 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

> probably a ruckus on the other end
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of MDK
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?
>
> This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several
> backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it.
>
> After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make 
> sure
> I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything 
> (messing
>
> with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a 
> netbook.
> Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi
> card it came with.   I fired it up (it is set to "any" so it simply
> associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and 
> after
>
> I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google
> on the browser to confirm connectivity.   Google popped up, meaning things
> were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test.   I got about 
> 30KB/s
>
> speed, which is like painfully slow.   I was standing outside, with the
> netbook sitting on the hood of my truck.
>
> So, I decided to see what it was associated to, and it was another access
> point ...  11 MILES AWAY!   I confirmed it by the SSID and by the ip dhcp
> had assigned, as belonging to the ap 11 miles distant.
>
> It has no external antenna, just the one the factory built into the 
> netbook.
>
> I have detected, using netstumbler and the internal antenna on my laptop
> (dell C610 and CM9 installed) access points over 24 miles away before, but
> this is the longest, by far, I have been able to get a real connection, 
> dhcp
>
> assignment, and transfer data.
>
>
>
>
> ++
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> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
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>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

[Chuck Profito]

Forbes,"but i digress."  I know I started the wise a..   remarks, but
yes you do!   ;-)


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

As a long ago CB'er I have to ask, can there be skip on the 2.4 range? 
:)  Purrrdy soon we'll be yellin 'breaker' to some leeeneir driven AP 
just south of the border, streamin Wolfman Spam... but i digress.

On 6/11/2010 10:16 PM, MDK wrote:
> This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several
> backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it.
>
> After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make
sure
> I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything
(messing
> with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a
netbook.
> Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi
> card it came with.   I fired it up (it is set to "any" so it simply
> associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and
after
> I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google
> on the browser to confirm connectivity.   Google popped up, meaning things
> were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test.   I got about
30KB/s
> speed, which is like painfully slow.   I was standing outside, with the
> netbook sitting on the hood of my truck.
>
> So, I decided to see what it was associated to, and it was another access
> point ...  11 MILES AWAY!   I confirmed it by the SSID and by the ip dhcp
> had assigned, as belonging to the ap 11 miles distant.
>
> It has no external antenna, just the one the factory built into the
netbook.
>
> I have detected, using netstumbler and the internal antenna on my laptop
> (dell C610 and CM9 installed) access points over 24 miles away before, but
> this is the longest, by far, I have been able to get a real connection,
dhcp
> assignment, and transfer data.
>
>
>
>
> ++
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> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

[Chuck Profito]

probably a ruckus on the other end

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind?

This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several 
backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it.

After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure 
I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing

with the batteries, checking water levels, etc).I pulled out a netbook. 
Acer Aspire One to be precise, running windows xp, using the normal wifi 
card it came with.   I fired it up (it is set to "any" so it simply 
associates to the access points that are open at home, work, etc), and after

I was done, noted it said it was connected, at which point I opened google 
on the browser to confirm connectivity.   Google popped up, meaning things 
were connected, and then I decided to run a speed test.   I got about 30KB/s

speed, which is like painfully slow.   I was standing outside, with the 
netbook sitting on the hood of my truck.

So, I decided to see what it was associated to, and it was another access 
point ...  11 MILES AWAY!   I confirmed it by the SSID and by the ip dhcp 
had assigned, as belonging to the ap 11 miles distant.

It has no external antenna, just the one the factory built into the netbook.

I have detected, using netstumbler and the internal antenna on my laptop 
(dell C610 and CM9 installed) access points over 24 miles away before, but 
this is the longest, by far, I have been able to get a real connection, dhcp

assignment, and transfer data.




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Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config, license)?

[Chuck Profito]

just where are you?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config,
license)?

No Ginger, but if topless brown-skinned beauties floats your boat then
you're in luck!


On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:35 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:

> Then use 2 coconuts to produce a oh never mind!
> 
> Is Ginger there? Cause if she is, I need to visit.
> 
> ryan
> 
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> 
>> Because I'm in the Amazon jungle. No UPS, FedEx, USPS etc. It's like
>> Gilligan's Island but we have satellite internet and a generator.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> 
>>> Instead why not buy a $40 Hard drive.  Leave the one in there with the
MT
>> ROS and if you ever have an issue pop the case, switch the cable and your
>> ready to go.
>>> 
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:46 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config,
>> license)?
>>> 
>>> Thanks! That's what I thought  - anything that would do a byte for byte
>> copy/image of the hard drive would work.
>>> 
>>> Worst case scenario is I lose the license and have to buy another.
>>> 
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Philip Dorr wrote:
>>> 
 If downtime is a option the you can boot the system of a live Linux
 distro and make a DD backup of the HDD.
 
 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> I've googled and searched and can't find an answer to this. I posted
to
>> the MT forum, but I thought I'd try here too. Thanks!
> 
> I would like to know if it's possible to back up the entire RouterOS
> install including the license on an x86 installation. I have a
> computer on which I was using for RouterOS but have swapped it out
> for an RB750. I want to use the computer for other things (perhaps
> Astaro or Untangle) but I don't want to lose the RouterOS license,
> and I would also like to have the computer ready to go back in
> service with RouterOS should the RB750 fail (I lost one to lightning
> before adding lightning protection). Understand I am not trying to
> pirate RouterOS or do anything which is contrary to the terms of the
> license. I just want to use the machine for something else, with the
> possibility of reverting back to RouterOS if the RB750 which replaced
> it should fail. If I didn't live in the jungle of South America I'd
> run down to Best Buy and pick up another SATA hard drive and use that
> for the other OS. But I only have one drive so I'm looking at imaging
> the drive with RouterOS on it and keep
>>> tha
> t image safe so I can use the hard drive for something else. Should
>> this work? Any advice would be appreciated.
> 
> Greg
> 
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[WISPA] You knew it was coming...

[Chuck Profito]

AT&T will be redoing the pricing plans for I Phone and I Pad   charging a
fee plus overages.  
 " There's good news for existing iPad and iPhone users who feel that the
new plans will cost them more: AT&T said existing AT&T customers --
including the 50 million iPhone and iPad users in the United States -- have
the option of sticking with their old $30 unlimited plan."

The Full story:  http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/02/technology/att_iphone_ipad 




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[WISPA] apple TV its nearly here

[Chuck Profito]

http://xrl.in/5h8q

or

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Web-Services-Web-20-and-SOA/Apple-TV-Will-Run-on-iP
hone-OS-4-Cost-99-Rumors-104557/


HD DIRECT TO YOUR I PHONE OR TV OVER THE WEB.

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Re: [WISPA] Issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers

[Chuck Profito]

yesterday we had a problem with them,  No an issue, the customer had her
machine date set on month in the future, thus the spam filter was rejecting
all her sent mail.  This also seemed to happen to many xp machines after
tuesdays MS up date. They had to reset the date, and if they set it
wrong

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 10:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers

We have been having alot of problems sending email through Everyone.Net's
servers.  Lots of server rejections, delivery resource unavailable type
messages.

Anyone going through the same problems?

Here's a message sent by our tech to their tech support this morning.  This
message outlines our problems with them.

- Original Message - 
From: Justin Mann 
To: Everyone.net Technical Support ; Unwired West 
Cc: Mark Nash 
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 10:09 AM
Subject: Continued issues with sending email with Everyone.net servers


Hello,

We are getting more "Delivery Resource Unavailable" errors from the
Everyone.net SMTP servers today. This is on both shared-svc1 and
shared-svc2. We would like help on why this is happening, and why we have
issues sending email intermittently.

I know for a fact this is an issue with the everyone.net servers;  the error
message is being returned from the servers themselves, after an SMTP session
has been established. See the attached image; that is the error message
coming from Everyone.net's servers. 

We didn't have many issues from this in April, but it was a nightmare
earlier in the year. When email does not work, it makes it very difficult to
do business. I am sure you understand our frustrations. So far, all
suggestions given to us from Everyone.net have not worked. We have exhausted
all potential options on our ends for reasons that we could be causing the
errors. We have used different workstations, different operating systems,
different mail clients, different ISPs, different email domains. We have
even used different SMTP servers per your suggestion.

When we use third-party SMTP servers we do not have this problem, ever.
However, that is not a long-term solution. Please advise. Also, please look
at the attached image. This is the type of error message we get, frequently,
with both shared-svc1 and now shared-svc2. 








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Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer

[Chuck Profito]

Butch Evans will be much, MUCH cheaper.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer

Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our  
wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few  
HD video streamers we have.

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Re: [WISPA] New WISP

[Chuck Profito]

Hello, and welcome!.  
You may want to join WISPA as soon as possible. It will be the best money
you spend before opening the doors.  Membership will help you and your new
business in many ways; low legal filings, many forms and contracts available
for download, the list archives are worth the whole membership,
representation in Washington DC, and the private members only list, where we
have very frank discussions, Your State list, VoIP list, fiber list,
MicroTeck list, Canopy list, etc.etc.
And don't forget our Vendor discounts just for members. It is another place
you can recoup the cost of membership almost immediately! 
And I forgot the new Wiki!

Anyway, Welcome to the "miracle of microwave" and hopefully WISPA.org can
help explain it!

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com  cprofito'at'cv-access.com 
Providing Broadband Internet Access to the
California's Rural Central Valley



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Liam Cummings
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:50 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] New WISP

Hi all,

We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying
to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 

1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate

2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment

 

We would love to here your thoughts.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Freshbooks

[Chuck Profito]

We use it and like it, but it will not yet link with other credit card
providers, like Chuck Wu and others. This is a big gripe of mine.  Excellent
free service for your subcontractor/ installers to keep track and to bill to
your wisp.

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com  cprofito"at"cv-access.com 
Providing Broadband Internet Access to the
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Freshbooks

As you can imagine, Butch is the only person that responded on his MT
list and had nothing but good things to say. Good to know the customer
experience is acceptable. Thanks Marlon!

Dylan

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Freshbooks

I get invoices from them via Butch.  No problems with them as a
customer...
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Dylan Bouterse" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:16 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Freshbooks


> For those of you on the Mikrotik list I apologize for the dup post but
I
> only got one response from that inquiry.
>
> Are any of you using Freshbooks for billing services? For those who
are
> using it, what has your experience been? Have you had any support
issues
> and what has their support response been like? Have you made any
feature
> requests and have they been receptive?
>
> If any of you have looked at it but decided against it, what were your
> reasons (if you don't mind me asking)? :)
>
> Thank you!
>
> Dylan
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Remotely Adjusted Dish Mount

[Chuck Profito]

why not just two TV rotor motors mounted in a cross. Or use a ham rotor on
bottom and light channel master on top. The pole could go thru it so you
could mount a wireless zoom camera to the other side for balance and LOS
convenience. or put Horiz on one side and Vertical on the other, and don't
forget the camera in the middle.  you could be the local loco wisp reporter
at all the breaking news sites. (We know you already have the scanner)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remotely Adjusted Dish Mount

Thanks, Mike.  That's pretty close to what I envision. I need azimuth and 
rotation.  I have a set of step motors from an upgrade on one of my 
telescopes and thought of maybe doing a McGyver on it but if there was 
something already out there that would allow a small dish to mount to it it 
would save me time since I never have any as it is.

The mast has a 125 pound payload rating so I can go pretty beefy.

Bob-

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remotely Adjusted Dish Mount


> Not exactly sure what you're looking for, but Yaesu makes some really nice
> Az/El rotators.  I would think azimuth control would be good enough. 
> There
> are a lot of cheap TV antenna type rotators.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:43 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Remotely Adjusted Dish Mount
>
> I recently acquired an 80 foot Super Heavy Duty Will-Burt telescopic mast
> with the goal for dual use of A) Site Survey and B) Emergency use during 
> AP
> failure.
>
> I'm looking for a dish mount that can be remotely adjusted while the mast 
> is
> extended.  I haven't seen anything in my searches, wanted to know if 
> anyone
> is using such a thing or have any recommendations of something they have
> seen.
>
> It's a cool toy so I gots to at least make the wife think I'm really gonna
> use it.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
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[WISPA] to the General List at large

[Chuck Profito]

Please take the time to see and read about what Jack and WISPA FCC and
Promotions Committee have done for you, and your families, and your
customers, and your locality.  Lawyers are not cheap, air fares and lodging
in DC isn't ether.  Their time away from their networks could be downright
costly and you know it!  It's work like this that needs YOUR INVESTMENT, in
YOUR FUTURE,  by helping WISPA with your membership.  

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com   
Providing Broadband Internet Access to the
California's Rural Central Valley






-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:17 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA
Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering
and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C. 
to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.

The following Members represented WISPA. Ryan Spott, Alex Phillips, John
Scriver, and Jack Unger. The WISPA Team was assisted by Steve Coran of
Rini/Coran LLC in Washington.

All Team Members made valuable contributions to the effort and we all feel
that the meeting went well. Our goal was to ask the FCC take favorable
action soon on WISPA's Petitions to adjust the TV Whitespace rules by making
corrections to several problem areas, thereby making WISP use of the
Whitespaces more practical and more successful.

I'm attaching a more detailed report (.doc file) and also the official
written filing (PDF) that WISPA is required to make after every meeting with
the FCC. A copy of our FCC PowerPoint presentation is also required to be
part of our written filing. To easily view our presentation, please rotate
the attached PDF clockwise 90 degrees in your Adobe Reader viewer.

Your questions and constructive suggestions are always welcome.

Respectfully Submitted,

Jack Unger
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
818-227-4220

--
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Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the
Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

[Chuck Profito]

JACK,  
Thank you and your team for all your hard work and travels and time away
from your networks! Excellent changes and Excellent Presentation.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:17 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA
Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering
and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C. 
to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.

The following Members represented WISPA. Ryan Spott, Alex Phillips, John
Scriver, and Jack Unger. The WISPA Team was assisted by Steve Coran of
Rini/Coran LLC in Washington.

All Team Members made valuable contributions to the effort and we all feel
that the meeting went well. Our goal was to ask the FCC take favorable
action soon on WISPA's Petitions to adjust the TV Whitespace rules by making
corrections to several problem areas, thereby making WISP use of the
Whitespaces more practical and more successful.

I'm attaching a more detailed report (.doc file) and also the official
written filing (PDF) that WISPA is required to make after every meeting with
the FCC. A copy of our FCC PowerPoint presentation is also required to be
part of our written filing. To easily view our presentation, please rotate
the attached PDF clockwise 90 degrees in your Adobe Reader viewer.

Your questions and constructive suggestions are always welcome.

Respectfully Submitted,

Jack Unger
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
818-227-4220

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Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?

[Chuck Profito]

Forbes, 
Hope the rest of the list doesn't think I'm nuts:
Do you see any large, hi gain CB or Ham beam antennas or Truckers from the
southern area parked or loading nearby?
Within say 1/4 mile of B tower?  The new mobile 70KW class C Linear's are
about as dirty as they come. Some of those 
drivers from Mexico and AZ are talking direct, no skip, 500 miles on the
lower vertical channels.  That much bleed over 
in radiated power may trip ground on your switch and or MT boards. It could
come right thru your tower grounding, let alone your antennas and CAt5.
Could you try batteries there? Say a smart charger thru a UPS, then to
batteries.   i.e. no common ground. 

Chuck Profito


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?

We have been plagued with an ongoing issue in our Mikrotik backhauls.  
It happens about once a month and only on three radios that feed each 
other, all other sites work fine.  Site A is my head end, it is a 
Mikrotik 433 with an XR5 chip that feeds about five miles to another 
site to Site B.  Site B has the same equipment that goes through a 
managed switch then passes on to Site C about 7 miles further.

What happens is we are suddenly paged that all three are down.  
Sometimes Site A stays up, most times not, we can get into Site A since 
it's the head end and we reboot it, it comes right back up.  Site B and 
C stay down, we have to drive to Site B and reboot it, it comes back up 
but Site C stays down.  We have a remote reboot for it from a redundant 
feed so after rebooting it C reconnects to B and they are all up.  This 
will happen three or four more times in a single day or not at all again 
for a month, it's totally unpredictable. The boards are up but not 
communicating, it also takes down the other 2.4 Mikortik AP's at Site B 
and that has to be rebooted.  We normally run arp -d to clear up any 
residual, it sure appears to be traffic related and we are on a bridged 
not routed network.

The only similarities is it's only this feed, it usually happens in 
spurts of a day or two then stops for a long time, it always happens 
during the working day leading me to believe it's coming from a day 
user.  We run Wireshark but see nothing, we torch the towers and they 
don't show much unusual.  We're thinking it might be a deluge of traffic 
between Site B and C and are thinking of putting a PC at the C tower to 
run diagnostics there.  This is very manpower heavy as we have to send 
people two places and average down time is one hour to do this.  We are 
going to turn our network into a routed network this Summer but that 
doesn't help now.  Any ideas would be appreciated.

Forbes




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[WISPA] RIVERSIDE NEEDS YOU

[Chuck Profito]

AT&T Wants to Dump Riverside Network on City

One of the legacy muni-Fi networks will have new (or no) owners: Esme Vos
writes at MuniWireless.com about the current state of the Riverside, Calif.,
network operated by AT&T. The network was the first and only bid by AT&T
with MetroFi, which was unable to complete that network along with many
others, and which shut down in 2008. In Riverside, AT&T kept up much of its
end of the bargain, hiring Nokia Siemens to complete the network, which Vos
says only reached 77 percent of the city. (One expects there's no SkyPilot
gear left in place, either, but I don't know that for sure.)

The network has 20,000 daily users out of a population of about 300,000 (in
2000); the county has over 2.1 million residents.

AT&T wants to give the city the network at no cost, but the city is facing
revenue shortfalls like the rest of the country (and most of the world).
It's trying to get a federal grant.

Of the networks originally built in part or whole by EarthLink, Kite, and
MetroFi, only a handful remain in operation. Philadelphia recently moved to
take over the remains of the network there from an interim firm that had
been planning to build out a variety of access services.




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Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app

[Chuck Profito]

I have found that using the app Mocha VNC, is much easier than using the
others I have tried. just VNC back to your computer and or server and you
have ALL your tools.  But if the back haul is dead, net book / lap top time.
But I do find I very seldom pull them out.

Chuck

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app

Yeah, I haven't found tethering to make all that much sense either. My gf
has her iPhone jail broken, but honestly, I think she does it just because
she can...I haven't seen her do anything with it that actually mattered. I
haven't had a problem doing anything I needed (or wanted) to do without jail
breaking.

I also have a Droid at the moment, but damn, I'll tell you, it's a annoying
as hell in comparison. And I really hate the little feedback vibration every
time I touch one of the permanent keys (maybe that can be turned off-I
haven't taken the time to delve too much into the options yet). I'll keep
using it for a few more days but so far it doesn't compare, even though
Verizon's 3G coverage IS a little but broader out this way (but, it's not as
much broader as I'd thought it was supposed to be).

However, if I didn't have the iPhone as an option, I'd probably love the
Droid. Sure beats what I used to use, even if it doesn't quite meet (for me)
the iPhone standards. As always with this kind of thing, I'm sure YMMV.

Chuck

On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Data Technology wrote:

> Justin Wilson wrote:
>>The only benefit I have seen so far of Jailbreaking an iphone is being
>> able to tether it.   Every App I have wanted to run I can find in the
store.
>> 
>>Justin
>> 
> I had thought that would be a great thing to have, then I could connect 
> the laptop and have a bigger screen and kbd to browse with.
> But around here I don't have 3g available, so AT&T is slow for the
internet.
> 
> I then thought that I could just use a wi-fi connection (surly I could 
> find one of those!) but then I thought, "you big dummy", if I can get a 
> wi-fi connection on the phone to tether to the laptop then I could just 
> connect to the wi-fi with the laptop ;)
> 
> So I dont't think I really need tethering.
> 
> 
> 
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"When the stars threw down their spears,
and water'd heaven with their tears,
Did He smile, His work to see?
Did He who made the Lamb make thee?"

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Re: [WISPA] That black magic

[Chuck Profito]

If he is really motivated he will help with $$ for the repeater. Anybody
else who will benefit?  They might too.
Or raise your install cost to a few to cover the solar.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] That black magic

Columbus was a murderer.  Neil Armstrong was going to the moon.  Not
giving a farmer access to a global network to check weather, stocks
and naughty pictures.  Edmund Hillary is nuts.

I would definitely start by making sure you have LOS at 31 feet.
We've established you can not at ~18, but may at 31.  Maybe he's
looking in the wrong spot and doesn't know what he's looking for and
in reality, you can see the light at 18 feet.  I'd definitely get
these figures before proceeding.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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continue that counts.”
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Mike  wrote:
> Josh said >> I agree with Jason, too.  Just because you can does not mean
> you should.
>
> Columbus, or Neil Armstrong, or Edmund Hillary never said that!  :-)
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

[Chuck Profito]

Talk to Butch for queuing, Talk to Mac &/or Jeremy for packet and connection
limiting. Both for Bandwidth Management. Remember, you can't hide packets in
a vpn...

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of legal torrents but I'm saying the
majority are illegal and that torrent is by no means a mainstream protocol
that needs to be supported.

Wow patches?  Here's some HTTP mirrors...
http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors

MT updates?  Click the link above it that is HTTP for the file you need.

*nix distros?  Click the HTTP links above or below it.

These are the 3 examples I see time and time again and I always ask, without
answer, for other examples.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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that counts."
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Philip Dorr
wrote:

> I get my Ubuntu ISOs via Bittorrent.
>
> We block the customer, until they stop, if it is causing problems with
> the AP they are on.  We have only had problems on our 2.4Ghz and
> sometimes 900Mhz APs. We have not yet had any problems on our 5.8Ghz
> APs.
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Torrents are used by WoW and Mikrotik.  What else that you would go
> > under oath saying you torrented?
> >
> > On 2/14/10, Robert West  wrote:
> >> We allow but they can't run a server, as in NO sharing.  But "allowing"
> >> means no 24 hour downloading.
> >>
> >> Can't get around torrents, even Mikrotik has their updates via torrent.
> >>
> >> Bob-
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of RickG
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:55 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] bit torrents
> >>
> >> Even though our AUP & TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
> >> demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
> >> being over
> >>  zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
> >> -RickG
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

[Chuck Profito]

How come we don't hear any one suggesting a show in Denver or Salt Lake?
Pretty much the center of the country with MAJOR airline hubs direct to all
points. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to.  I'll bring the whole
fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West
wrote:

> Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all
> crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and
embarrass
> him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning..
>
> I see how things are, Josh.  After all we've been through together you
have
> to turn into this.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
>
>
> Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but
> hey, it's got more food.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500
>
> >Ohio weather sucks.  Zipline would be fun!
> >
> >Josh Luthman
> >Office: 937-552-2340
> >Direct: 937-552-2343
> >1100 Wayne St
> >Suite 1337
> >Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue
> >that counts."
> >--- Winston Churchill
> >
> >
> >On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West
> wrote:
> >
> >> Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus.
> >>
> >> OSU grad, Stuart?
> >>
> >> I like the town too.  A lot less than a cow town as it used to be.
> >>
> >> Bob-
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
> >>
> >> Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German
> Village,
> >> Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus.
> >>
> >> Oh food, wine and song as well.
> >>
> >> -- Original Message --
> >> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> >> Date:  Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500
> >>
> >> >I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an
> >> >ISPCon event.  I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better
> >> >than ISPCon.  As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon
> >> >don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does.  I could care less
if
> >> >it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides:
> >> >
> >> >1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large,
> medium,
> >> >or small.
> >> >2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special
> niche
> >> >in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not
just
> >> >any vendor.
> >> >3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch
> with
> >> >home to make sure business continues.
> >> >4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a
> >> >plus.
> >> >5) Be reasonable in price.  $250 is WAY too much for me to attend
> as
> >> >an ISP to a tradeshow.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Chuck Hogg
> >> >Shelby Broadband
> >> >502-722-9292
> >> >ch...@shelbybb.com
> >> >http://www.shelbybb.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-Original Message-
> >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> >> >Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM
> >> >To: WISPA General List
> >> >Cc: wispas...@wispa.org
> >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
> >> >
> >> >Hi Matt,
> >> >
> >> >I'm moving this back to the show list.  I still request that wispashow
> >> >emails reply to that list not the public one :-).
> >> >
> >> >Anyway, I understand what you are saying.  As our local Chamber of
> >> >Commerce
> >> >president here's my latest project:
> >> >http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek
> >> >
> >> >Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work.
Herding
> >> >the
> >> >cats as it were...  It's certainly quite a bit of work.
> >> >
> >> >We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week.  On the
> >> >weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000
> >> >people.
> >> >http://www.stumpjumpers.org
> >> >
> >> >The race takes nearly an entir

Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT: Mobile phone platform questions

[Chuck Profito]

I like Mocha VNC. Fantastic app. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT: Mobile phone platform questions

iPhone has all that

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett
wrote:

> Do any of the mobile phone platforms support VPN at all from the phone
> itself?  Any have a Remote Desktop client?
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Chuck Profito]

For all of you on all sides of this, check out www.goooh.com  a very non
partisan site. 
This organization is getting a lot of traction nationwide. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

He still owes me 10 bucks.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.

Now he's really pissing me off.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give
> things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of
the
> net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to
> attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone
> connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or
> attempt to hack into our networks.
> -RickG
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito  >wrote:
>
> > >From NewsMax:
> >
> > Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
> >
> > Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
> > By: Bradley A. Blakeman
> >
> > Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
> > U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
> today.
> >
> > Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the
> Web
> > from the United States to foreign powers.
> >
> > Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work
> of
> > Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
> > working
> > for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
> > Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea
> of
> > "open-architecture networking."
> >
> > This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
> > Internet.
> >
> > These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
> worldwide
> > computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world
> and
> > how we communicate in it.
> >
> > They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
> > (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
> > servers would allow users to communicate with others.
> >
> > The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the
> > identifier
> > and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer
to
> > computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new
> process
> > of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka,
the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive,
> > sharing,
> > cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration
> set
> > off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by
> > the
> > U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.
> >
> > The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
> > management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
> > service the Internet.
> >
> > Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet
> > Assigned
> > Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S.
> > Department
> > of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
> > addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.
> >
> > In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
> > person or entity would not have access to the Internet.
> >
> > For years, the international community has been pressuring the United
> > States
> > to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
> > international body such as the United Nations or even the International
> > Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
> > telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in
> behalf
> > of all nations.
> >
> > The argume

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

[Chuck Profito]

>From NewsMax:

Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers

Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size  
By: Bradley A. Blakeman

Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of
U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today.

Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web
from the United States to foreign powers.

Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of
Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working
for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects
Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of
"open-architecture networking."

This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the
Internet.

These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide
computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and
how we communicate in it.

They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
(TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of
servers would allow users to communicate with others.

The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the identifier
and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer to
computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new process
of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka, the
Internet.

Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive, sharing,
cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration set
off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by the
U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.

The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the
management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that
service the Internet.

Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S. Department
of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP
addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.

In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a
person or entity would not have access to the Internet.

For years, the international community has been pressuring the United States
to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an
international body such as the United Nations or even the International
Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international
telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in behalf
of all nations.

The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the
Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and a
dependent form of international communications, that it would be dangerous
and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.

Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his
administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish
some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration has
agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and countries on
IANA.

This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant leap for
surrendering America's control over an invention we have every right and
responsibility to control and manage.

It is in America's economic and national security interests not to
relinquish any control. We are responsible for the control, operation, and
functionality of one of the modern world's greatest inventions and most
powerful communications network.

What better country to protect the Internet than the United States?

We invented it, and we paid for the research and implementation that made it
possible. We are the freest, most tolerant nation on earth, we believe in
the
fundamental right of free speech, and we practice a free market of commerce
and ideas.

America has always been against censorship and has shared its invention with
the world without fee or unreasonable or arbitrary restriction. The user fee
to operate on the Internet is not one paid to the U.S. government; a
consumer pays it to private Internet companies, who provide access to the
Internet through servers for their subscribers.

Look no further than China's recent move against Google to censor the
Internet, and you can envision what can happen when other nations less free
than the United States seek to control the Internet beyond even their own
borders.

America needs to wake up. If we lose control over the management of the
Internet, we have given away one of our nation's greatest assets with
nothing
in return to show for it.

The Obama administration's actions will set in motion a slow and complete
takeover of the Internet by the United Nations or some other equally
U.S.-hostile and unfriendly international body. A

Re: [WISPA] AirGrids

[Chuck Profito]

Robert,  Did he mention if they might put some silicone in the holes before
labeling?

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
Cprofito at cv-access.com 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:58 AM
To: spie...@avolve.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirGrids

Well, first off I talked to Ben over at UBNT last night and he said they are
changing the design with the next batch so that the LEDs are down facing.

The issue is, there are two locking tabs that snap in for either horizontal
or vertical polarization so you are limited to how it's oriented.  The
antenna feed is one part and it snaps into the feed retainer that is
attached to the grid.  The retainer protrudes through the rear of the grid
and ends with the port for the Cat5 to enter and a couple of small drain
holes.  These are not on the very end but on a flat spot on the bottom of
the retainer.  Flip the antenna so that the LEDs are facing down then the
drain holes and Cat5 entry hole is now facing UP.  The old, "Damned if you
do and damned if you don't"

But they are fixing the issue.  One of those things they can't see unless
they are in the field.  I'm sure the lights being up made sense sitting in
an office looking at the thing from above.  If I'm looking at an antenna
from above, I'm either high up on a tower or I'm trying to install it in a
hole.  :)

I played with the 65 foot cable limit last night too.  Used a 100' cable and
the USB PoE will power it but just enough for the lights to come on, no
communication with it.  Tried a 9v, 12v and a 15v PoE.  9 and 12 worked fine
but the 15V made it yell at me.  I settled on a 9V injector and my test unit
has been working fine since last night.  Ben said the PoE they will be
offering as an option starts out at 5V.  I asked for a possible chart from
them on suggested voltage VS. cable length so we don't fry them out of trial
and error.  He mentioned they are working on design to allow it to use the
24v PoE...   I'm actually thinking of swapping out a pac grid and MT box
back haul from a solar site to see how the power drain is from these since
they require such a low voltage.

In all, I installed 2 last night and they were great!  The mounting hardware
is beefy and says "quality".  The unit doesn't feel clunky at all, unlike
most of the Pac Wireless grids and the install went fast with the radio and
grid being just one unit.  The first install took a whole 20 minutes
including running the cable and drilling a hole.  Of course it was a cable
run of only 50 feet, not a big job, but was still quick.  

I'm sold on them.

Still gotta use the Mikrotik though, the Dude server rocks.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirGrids

Having not seeing one in person, can't you just flip it 180* so the lights
face down ? I take it the answer is no, but I was just wondering why.

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert West" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:01:05 -0500

>Installing some UBNT AirGrids this weekend.   First thing I see is that
when
>I assemble for horizontal polarity the LED strip is now facing UP, as in
>looking at the sky.  Not able to see the power light from the ground or any
>RSSI.  Second issue, we all know the water issue with the new bullets,
>getting in through the LED strip.  In horizontal, the strip is facing up.
>Makes more sense to face it all down.  I also see a need to wrap with tape
>where the feed and the feed support meet.  
>
> 
>
>Just first impressions. 
>
> 
>
>Bob-
>
> 
>
>Just Micro.NET
>
> 
>
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Chuck Profito]

Something similar happened a month ago to us.  Our local canopy competitor
sent out a new installer to a subs home to pick up their equipment(in a box
in the garage ). He saw our Ubiquity Nano on the roof, cut the wire and
removed it & the mount!   They were very apologetic.  So we picked up the
radio, reinstalled and sent them the bill..

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:44 AM
To: tractipp...@swiftwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

Heya Tracy,

Turns out this was a misunderstanding.  The equipment that got stolen was 
the CPE at the office in TOWN, not the solar site out in the sticks.

Not sure how those wires got crossed, but the solar sit is still working 
well.

We did see the cpe come online for a few seconds since we figured this out 
though.  It'll be interesting to see if we can figure out how to track down 
who stole it :-).
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracy Tippett" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site


>
> Hi Marlon,
>
> Sorry about your gear - give me a ring
>
> Tracy Tippett
> 866-582-7287
>
> --Original Mail--
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:50:47 -0800
> Subject: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>
> Deep sigh.
>
> I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
> hardware, poof.
>
> What do you guys do to secure them?
>
> I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>
> It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
> remote location, not at all publicized.
>
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>
> ug
> marlon
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

[Chuck Profito]

Has anybody used Swift 's ?  quiet and small but I have no idea how they
hold up in extreme weather.  
But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's.  Way too big for
us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they could be a
real contender for small home and commercial turbines.  IMHO, Keep a close
eye on this one.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

Good feedback.  The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left 
for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet.  Smelled a bit toasty though.

Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet?  Obviously will need 
an external controller and load dump.

Randy


On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote:
> I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80.
>
> I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge better
> in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every year to 18
> months.
>
> My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.
Each
> time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess.   Each time a
storm
> came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just
reverted
> back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave me a
> new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze.
>
> What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of
others
> that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look
> them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power
output.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Randy Cosby"
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine
>
>
>> Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas?  We had a Southwest wind
>> power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds.  Are 5 or 6-blade
>> turbines going to handle high wind better?
>>
>> -- 
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>> Vice President
>> InfoWest, Inc
>>
>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>>
>> http://www.infowest.com/
>>
>> "Letting off steam always produces more heat than light." - Neal A.
>> Maxwell
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[WISPA] from today's WSJ

[Chuck Profito]

ENJOY;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126221116097210861.html 


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Re: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

[Chuck Profito]

Well at $49.95 monthly your ROI is 10monthswill he finance out of
income?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] This comes up again and again - value of network

There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant 
from me, and he's wanting to get out.

He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he 
quoted me a price for his network.Not "the customers" but just "the 
network" and the customer owns his own cpe.I buy the network and inherit

his customers - that was the "deal".

It works out to $500 / customer.

For infrastructure, that seems... well... REALLY high to me.

It consists MOSTLY of UBNT stuff and some bandwidth controls, etc, I don't 
really understand.   It's mostly bridged, and has no public IP's, it was 
apparently NAT'd to a cable connection somewhere.

Looking at my rural deployments and the approximate cost- even of the 
solar/wind powered sites...   I'm well under $100/customer for network 
infrastructure outside of the CPE.

Am I the one way different, or is he?   Or, is this wide range  normal?



 





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[WISPA] REDBOX

[Chuck Profito]

Maybe NCR may want to talk...
>From CEA SmartBrief today:
"NCR will convert newly bought DVDPlay kiosks into its licensed Blockbuster
Express brand name as it continues to challenge Redbox in the quest for
movie lovers' loyalty. While the move isn't huge, as Redbox has 20,000
kiosks while NCR has just 3,800 in the U.S., it could prove to be a
significant advantage in certain markets such as California. The Wall Street
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