from:"Sam"

On 1/12/2017 9:53 AM, Henry N. Chappell II wrote:
> Josh,
>
> No, the NEPA & SHPO is required in all states for all new structures
> with licensed and unlicensed equipment.

Henry, we have been told by the FCC that it's not required if the 
structure will hold only unlicensed equipment. I have a query into them 
regarding the lightly-licensed (3.65) radios, but it takes a while to 
hear back from them. I posted here hoping to expedite my question 
somewhat. :)


>  Original message 
> From: Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Date: 1/12/17 9:42 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NEPA/SHPA Requirement
>
> This seems to be only required in certain areas, correct? Mainly on or
> near areas of historical or religious significance?
>
> On Jan 12, 2017 9:35 AM, "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com
> <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>> wrote:
>
> (Sorry... SHPO, not SHPA)
>
> National Environmental Policy Act, and State Historical Preservation
> Office. I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express
> last night, but the way I understand it, they are legal requirements
> pertaining to new structures that are going to hold radio equipment that
> uses licensed (or lightly-licensed?) frequencies, and makes a
> requirements to go through a certification process from these two
> offices. NEPA
> (https://www.epa.gov/nepa/national-environmental-policy-act-review-process
> 
> <https://www.epa.gov/nepa/national-environmental-policy-act-review-process>)
> is an EPA requirement, and SHPO,
> (https://www.nps.gov/Nr/shpolist.htm
> <https://www.nps.gov/Nr/shpolist.htm>)
> as it has pertained to us, is primarily native-Americans inspecting the
> site and certifying that you're not desecrating sacred ground.
>
> I know it's a requirements if the structure holds 11 Ghz, 220 Mhz, 6
> Ghz, etc. I don't know if it is also a requirements if it's the 3.65
> type of license, hence my question. :)
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
> On 1/12/2017 8:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>  > NEPA/SHPA? Educate me pls
>  >
>  > On Jan 12, 2017 7:05 AM, "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com
> <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>
>  > <mailto:w...@csilogan.com <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>>> wrote:
>  >
>  > Good Morning,
>  >
>  > It's my understanding that if a new structure that will hold only
>  > non-licensed equipment is built, that NEPA/SHPA certification
> isn't
>  > required. What about 3.65 equipment? Since it's "lightly
> licensed",
>  > where would a new structure (where 3.65 equipment will
> reside) fall with
>  > regards to the NEPA/SHPA requirement?
>  >
>  > Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] NEPA/SHPA Requirement

We put up (mostly-complete but still a few locations left to do) about 
12,000 poles ranging in height from 40 to 60 feet tall for the Positive 
Train Control mandate alongside out right-of-way. This covers about 
25,000 miles across 23 states west of the Mississippi River. Every one 
of these poles was subject to NEPA/SHPO, as they hold radios that use 
licensed spectrum. I'd have to defer to Brian or Steve (or maybe Fred) 
as this seems to be more in their area of expertise, but the way I 
understand it, it's supposed to apply everywhere.


On 1/12/2017 9:42 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> This seems to be only required in certain areas, correct? Mainly on or
> near areas of historical or religious significance?
>
> On Jan 12, 2017 9:35 AM, "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com
> <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>> wrote:
>
> (Sorry... SHPO, not SHPA)
>
> National Environmental Policy Act, and State Historical Preservation
> Office. I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express
> last night, but the way I understand it, they are legal requirements
> pertaining to new structures that are going to hold radio equipment that
> uses licensed (or lightly-licensed?) frequencies, and makes a
> requirements to go through a certification process from these two
> offices. NEPA
> (https://www.epa.gov/nepa/national-environmental-policy-act-review-process
> 
> <https://www.epa.gov/nepa/national-environmental-policy-act-review-process>)
> is an EPA requirement, and SHPO,
> (https://www.nps.gov/Nr/shpolist.htm
> <https://www.nps.gov/Nr/shpolist.htm>)
> as it has pertained to us, is primarily native-Americans inspecting the
> site and certifying that you're not desecrating sacred ground.
>
> I know it's a requirements if the structure holds 11 Ghz, 220 Mhz, 6
> Ghz, etc. I don't know if it is also a requirements if it's the 3.65
> type of license, hence my question. :)
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
> On 1/12/2017 8:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>  > NEPA/SHPA? Educate me pls
>  >
>  > On Jan 12, 2017 7:05 AM, "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com
> <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>
>  > <mailto:w...@csilogan.com <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>>> wrote:
>  >
>  > Good Morning,
>  >
>  > It's my understanding that if a new structure that will hold only
>  > non-licensed equipment is built, that NEPA/SHPA certification
> isn't
>  > required. What about 3.65 equipment? Since it's "lightly
> licensed",
>  > where would a new structure (where 3.65 equipment will
> reside) fall with
>  > regards to the NEPA/SHPA requirement?
>  >
>  > Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] NEPA/SHPA Requirement

(Sorry... SHPO, not SHPA)

National Environmental Policy Act, and State Historical Preservation 
Office. I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express 
last night, but the way I understand it, they are legal requirements 
pertaining to new structures that are going to hold radio equipment that 
uses licensed (or lightly-licensed?) frequencies, and makes a 
requirements to go through a certification process from these two 
offices. NEPA 
(https://www.epa.gov/nepa/national-environmental-policy-act-review-process) 
is an EPA requirement, and SHPO, (https://www.nps.gov/Nr/shpolist.htm) 
as it has pertained to us, is primarily native-Americans inspecting the 
site and certifying that you're not desecrating sacred ground.

I know it's a requirements if the structure holds 11 Ghz, 220 Mhz, 6 
Ghz, etc. I don't know if it is also a requirements if it's the 3.65 
type of license, hence my question. :)

Thanks
Sam

On 1/12/2017 8:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> NEPA/SHPA? Educate me pls
>
> On Jan 12, 2017 7:05 AM, "Sam Morris" <w...@csilogan.com
> <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>> wrote:
>
> Good Morning,
>
> It's my understanding that if a new structure that will hold only
> non-licensed equipment is built, that NEPA/SHPA certification isn't
> required. What about 3.65 equipment? Since it's "lightly licensed",
> where would a new structure (where 3.65 equipment will reside) fall with
> regards to the NEPA/SHPA requirement?
>
> Thanks!
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[WISPA] NEPA/SHPA Requirement

Good Morning,

It's my understanding that if a new structure that will hold only 
non-licensed equipment is built, that NEPA/SHPA certification isn't 
required. What about 3.65 equipment? Since it's "lightly licensed", 
where would a new structure (where 3.65 equipment will reside) fall with 
regards to the NEPA/SHPA requirement?

Thanks!
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[WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures

2017-01-11 Thread Sam Morris

Without giving away any proprietary or sensitive information, can you 
give me an idea of what you'd expect to pay for tower rent for a 
structure that's between something like 50ft - 70ft tall where you would 
place two PtP dishes, and two PtMP radios (i.e. two PMP 450i APs and two 
PTP 650 backhauls), and a NEMA box at the base to hold your 
router/switch? I know that leaves some variables, but just a ballpark 
for what the going rate is in your neck of the woods.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Precedence

2016-12-27 Thread Sam Morris

On 12/27/2016 2:34 PM, Johnathan Penberthy wrote:
> I believe it is really difficult to get a 3.65 Ghz license now. Though 3.65 
> Ghz is basically treated as 5 Ghz, it can share the same space as another 
> provider, though every link is registered with the FCC.

We do have a nationwide 3.65 license. However we are only using it 
currently in one very small area in Iowa. There are other areas into 
which we're looking to put up service, but I know for a fact that in 
some of them there are existing WISPs that are using 3.65. I'm 
researching this for my boss to let him know that there may (or may not) 
be issues if we try to go into an area that already has a licensed 3.65 
WISP using these frequencies there.

I should've done a better job with the background on my original post.


>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sam Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 1:26 PM
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 Precedence
>
> I have a question to which I suspect I know the answer but wanted to defer to 
> you smart guys.
>
> Let's say I'm opening up a new WISP and want to go into an area where there 
> is an existing WISP already there. And let's say I want to use
> 3.65 GHz (non-LTE if that matters) gear in that area, but that the existing 
> WISP already has 3.65 GHz gear up in the same area, and has it licensed 
> properly with the FCC.
>
> I'm guessing that the existing WISP wins, and that I wouldn't be allowed to 
> come in and put my gear up, potentially interfering with his existing 
> operation.
>
> Is that correct or is it not as simple as this?
>
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[WISPA] 3.65 Precedence

2016-12-27 Thread Sam Morris

I have a question to which I suspect I know the answer but wanted to 
defer to you smart guys.

Let's say I'm opening up a new WISP and want to go into an area where 
there is an existing WISP already there. And let's say I want to use 
3.65 GHz (non-LTE if that matters) gear in that area, but that the 
existing WISP already has 3.65 GHz gear up in the same area, and has it 
licensed properly with the FCC.

I'm guessing that the existing WISP wins, and that I wouldn't be allowed 
to come in and put my gear up, potentially interfering with his existing 
operation.

Is that correct or is it not as simple as this?

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webpage is down

2016-09-27 Thread Sam Morris

Running on Windows? :)

On 9/27/2016 12:23 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
> Ok, Trina, I’ll be Patient.
>
> cid:image001.png@01D03C92.EFCBD870
>
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>
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> fixed you will be unable to login to your account or register for
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>
> My staff and I will also be unable to access your profile, account, or
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

2015-01-06 Thread Sam Tetherow


I got dibs on linksys and NETGEAR1-NETGEAR99 :)

On 01/06/2015 03:16 PM, Scott Piehn wrote:
What would be your take if their AP uses the same SSID as yours.  
Assuming Ruckus etc can knock out only that type of AP

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*From:* Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09 PM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree.   If you could do 
this, for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all Access Points 
via Deauth attack that my Access Points can see.  Also note, I am not 
talking for the FCC, but for what I believe is right, in this case, 
you can’t own a location or area of the wifi bands, therefore, you 
can’t cause harmful interference, and a deauth attack would be 
harmful, and interference.


I  can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your 
network, but you should not be able to interfere with other 
operations, regardless if it is your property or not.  Maybe that’s 
not the intent from those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s not on 
your network then you can’t do much about it.Now, if they are on 
your property, sure you can tell them to turn it off or leave, but 
that’s another issue. lol


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

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*On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett

*Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM
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There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the 
fact that they're charging for Internet access is brought up every 
time the deauthing activity is.


https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf

In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott 
charged for Internet (and a lot at that).


Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent 
users from connecting to the Internet via their own personal Wi-Fi 
networks when these users did not pose a threat to the security of the 
Gaylord Opryland network or its guests.


Sounds like security is a viable defense.



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*Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

You cannot do it at all….

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett

*Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM
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You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing 
it to force people to give them money. A company doing it has plenty 
of other reasons.




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*From: *Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net 
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*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
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*Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:02 AM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been 
deemed illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to 
it.


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*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Piehn

*Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM
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*Subject:* [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point 
detection.  not a one time thing but ongoing detection.  What products 
have people used.





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Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Tetherow

I'm guessing that while the phone companies may not like the idea it 
seems a little less onerous to them since they are already dealing with 
Title II.  If nothing else it will weed out the smaller competition in 
their eyes.


While the cable companies or more strongly in the hate it camp I doubt 
they will be getting out of the business if it comes about.


Depending on what requirements actually come out of Title II for ISPs 
will probably have several WISPs close their doors.  If there isn't some 
sort of small business exemption I doubt I will stay in the business.


On 11/19/2014 07:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I can't imagine why anyone other than a blind consumer would love it.



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*Subject: *[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9

I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support 
and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying 
to get a good feel for who would and wouldn't like it (mostly it seems 
carriers love it, web services hate it.) I have a feeling WISPs might 
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Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Sam Tetherow

. This also works on the upstream, as a small WISP do you
really want to be on the receiving end of a big provider possibly
your only option for decent upstream connectivity to suddenly
start slowing down certain types of traffic? Then you are faced
with trying to provide a service that your customers might demand
without any ability other than potentially an extremely expensive
one to fill that need. I think it is always better to not shape
traffic for customers. Let them manage their connection to the
Internet. Instead for high throughput applications we should push
for the option to deploy CDN like edge devices from these larger
service providers if the actual throughput is not available or
more costly.

Alright I've got my flame retardant cap on let the replies flood in :)

Tim


On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net 
mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:


I'm guessing that while the phone companies may not like the idea
it seems a little less onerous to them since they are already
dealing with Title II.  If nothing else it will weed out the
smaller competition in their eyes.

While the cable companies or more strongly in the hate it camp I
doubt they will be getting out of the business if it comes about.

Depending on what requirements actually come out of Title II for
ISPs will probably have several WISPs close their doors.  If there
isn't some sort of small business exemption I doubt I will stay in
the business.


On 11/19/2014 07:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I can't imagine why anyone other than a blind consumer would love it.



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*Subject: *[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9

I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that
support and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've
been trying to get a good feel for who would and wouldn't like it
(mostly it seems carriers love it, web services hate it.) I have
a feeling WISPs might be on the hate it side, but I'm
interested to find out. Thanks for your answer and have a
fantastic day!

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[WISPA] CPE Installer Needed, Central Iowa

2014-11-18 Thread Sam

Anyone have a contact for an individual or company that does CPE 
installations in central or west-central Iowa?

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] security certificate

2014-10-21 Thread Sam Tetherow

http://ssls.com you can get a wildcard for $98/yr (or $86/yr if you buy 
4 years)


On 10/19/2014 12:28 PM, John Thomas wrote:

http://www.netcentraldomains.com

$209 per year.

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Few hundred?  I remember them being crazy expensive.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 19, 2014 10:08 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com 
mailto:jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:


Or you can buy a wildcard for a few hundred dollars and use it on
all your devices.

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Pay for a certified SSL cert for each host. That's 50/device/year.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2014 5:43 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

Ignore it.



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  There is a problem with this website's security certificate.

How do I correct this problem? I get this almost every time I
log in to a Ubiquiti radio.
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Re: [WISPA] help with kubuntu and Dude

2014-09-08 Thread Sam

At first guess I'd say it's looking for /Home/ but you have it in /home/

(Linux is case-sensitive on file and directory names.)

On 9/5/2014 19:37, J. Van Kort wrote:
 running kubuntu 14.04LTS
 cannot get Dude to run in root mode.  Having issue with the proper
 command line syntax.

 Dude is installed at: /home/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Dude/dude.exe

 Attempted command line entry: kdesudo wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program
 Files/Dude/dude.exe 

 generates an error.  #2758  Cannot find /Home/.
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[WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

2014-08-28 Thread Sam

I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP Performance 
antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their experiences 
of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically looking at 13 dBi 
omni antennas, but am curious about how the sector antennas compare as well.

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Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

2014-08-28 Thread Sam

That's a great point. Thank you Andy. How about differences in 
performance between the two? Big difference? Negligible?

Thanks
Sam



On 8/28/2014 09:18, Andy Trimmell wrote:
 I think the big plus with the KP antennas is they come with a cover for
 the rocket. You'll have to buy a RF Elements cover if you're using stock
 Rockets with stock UBNT antennas.

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Sam
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

 I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP Performance
 antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their experiences
 of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically looking at 13 dBi
 omni antennas, but am curious about how the sector antennas compare as
 well.

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Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

2014-08-28 Thread Sam

Mathew, these are for 2. GHz Rockets.

I was wondering about the shielding as well. Unless you're in an area 
with a ton of interference...  But as was mentioned, the KP omni with 
the shielding is the same price basically as the same UBNT model without 
it. I'm all about using stuff that's included at no additional charge :)


On 8/28/2014 10:00, Mathew Howard wrote:
 I haven't used any KPP omnis, but I have used several different brands of 
 dual polarity omnis and I haven't really seen any notable difference in 
 performance between any of them.

 Are you looking at 2.4ghz or 5ghz?

 Is there really a lot of benefit to shielding the radio with an omni? it 
 seems somewhat pointless to me...
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
 Sam [w...@csilogan.com]
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

 That's a great point. Thank you Andy. How about differences in
 performance between the two? Big difference? Negligible?

 Thanks
 Sam



 On 8/28/2014 09:18, Andy Trimmell wrote:
 I think the big plus with the KP antennas is they come with a cover for
 the rocket. You'll have to buy a RF Elements cover if you're using stock
 Rockets with stock UBNT antennas.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Sam
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:29 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] KP Performance vs UBNT Antennas

 I am hoping to find someone who has used both UBNT and KP Performance
 antennas (with Rockets) who would be willing to share their experiences
 of one vs the other. For this project I'm specifically looking at 13 dBi
 omni antennas, but am curious about how the sector antennas compare as
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Sam

Josh, Megan Henry and the folks in her office have been great to work with.

www.broadbandconsultants.com

meg...@broadbandconsultants.com

Ph: 888-488-BROADBAND Ext 1025


On 8/11/2014 18:14, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Does anyone have some contacts?

 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Sam

Josh,

Broadband Consultants (information included below) work with several 
Tier I providers.

www.broadbandconsultants.com
meg...@broadbandconsultants.com
Ph: 888-488-BROADBAND Ext 1025

Also, have you checked to see if Hurricane Electric is available in the 
area where you are needing service?

Thanks, and good luck!
Sam



On 8/12/2014 10:38, Josh Luthman wrote:
 I'm looking for a few people that have deals with multiple carriers
 like Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net
 mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote:

 I guess part of it depends on where and what.  If you are going into
 a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport.

 Justin

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 Does anyone have some contacts?

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Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?

2014-08-11 Thread Sam Tetherow


ogr2ogr will do all sorts of Geo formats, geojson, tiger shape, kml, kmz.


On 08/11/2014 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Anyone has a way to convert files for google earth evaluation?



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Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?

2014-08-11 Thread Sam Tetherow

Related note, does anyone know where I can get shape files for census 
tract?  Seems like everything I find is only down to the block level.

On 08/11/2014 12:02 PM, Bill Schoolfield wrote:
 What specifically do you need to do? We have been working a lot in this
 area for the new FCC 477 report requirements.

 Bill

 On 8/11/2014 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Anyone has a way to convert files for google earth evaluation?



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Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?

2014-08-11 Thread Sam Tetherow


If you are just looking for a simple map, the simplest way I have found is:
1. Download the shapefiles you are interested in (county was easiest for 
me).
2. Strip out the tracts you don't want to see, either with a script or 
an editor

3. upload the resulting geojson to geojson.io

This only shows the shapefiles but it gives you an idea on what areas 
they are claiming are unserved.  I was surprised what it my coverage 
area is up for funding.


Hoping to get something put together with a web interface.

I just don't see how I could meet the 100% service requirement though.  
Some of it is pretty tough terrain and no population density at all.


On 08/11/2014 04:58 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

How dies this show you the census block boundary?


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Torin Dow t...@airspan.com 
mailto:t...@airspan.com wrote:


Here is a link to a website that allows you to upload a
spreadsheet so that you can view the information in Google Earth:

http://www.earthpoint.us/ExcelToKml.aspx

It tells you what columns are required and you can even pick what
icons, colors, sizes , etc to use.

Good luck,

Torin

Torin Dow
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Airspan Networks Inc.
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Anyone has a way to convert files for google earth evaluation?



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[WISPA] Rocket-Lite AC

2014-08-08 Thread Sam

Hi Everyone,

I submitted a query to the stock locator for this but thought I'd ask in 
the meantime if any of you know of a source that has some Rocket-Lite AC 
units for sale.

Much Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-07 Thread Sam Tetherow

Bring jerky.

On 08/07/2014 11:35 AM, Robert wrote:
 Patrick,  I've never met you, but now you know what I'll be expecting
 when I do happen to meet you!   LOL

 On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare...

 Patrick Leary
   M 727.501.3735






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 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 Hey!  A Patrick sighting!


 Regards,

 Jeff Broadwick
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 Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western 
 Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) 
 spectrum...and everything in its path.

 Patrick Leary
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 Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...

 On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 It is by far and away the most prevalent method...  ;-)



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 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.



 On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Higher one way throughput.
 More channels to choose from.
 DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
 External antennas.
 Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
 that vary like X-pol and F/B.
 Lower power consumption.
 Standard PoE.
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 THanks Josh!
 I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

 H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
 Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
 And latency is higher than an airFiber

 What's the amazing thing about this new device?

 On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
 OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
 submit comments for approval / additions please

 I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some
 of it I'm lazy on.

 TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
 channel width table

 Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of
 an
 RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).

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[WISPA] Experimental Licenses? Public Service Commissions?

2014-07-25 Thread Sam

Two questions for you guys...

Have any of you ever heard of a requirement to obtain an Experimental 
License (via a Form 442) to start up or operate a WISP? I'm trying to 
find something online that states what sort of radio, frequency, 
activity, or anything that defines who must obtain this license, but am 
finding nothing related to unlicensed spectrum.

Have any of you ever heard of a requirement to register with a state's 
Public Service Commission (for a WISP providing Internet connectivity 
only - no VOIP, telephony, etc.)

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Experimental Licenses? Public Service Commissions?

2014-07-25 Thread Sam

Fred, thank you for your detailed and informative explanation. I knew 
someone here would know the answers.

Thanks again and have a great weekend!


On 7/25/2014 12:29, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 On 7/25/2014 12:29 PM, Sam wrote:
 Two questions for you guys...

 Have any of you ever heard of a requirement to obtain an Experimental
 License (via a Form 442) to start up or operate a WISP? I'm trying to
 find something online that states what sort of radio, frequency,
 activity, or anything that defines who must obtain this license, but am
 finding nothing related to unlicensed spectrum.

 No, you don't need an Experimental license to operate a WISP.  Form 442
 is the application for an experimental license, which is governed by
 Part 5 of the FCC Rules.  Such licenses are for experimentation,
 product development, and market trials.  If equipment is type approved,
 it is not experimental, but a manufacturer might use this Part in order
 to test out new equipment or technology that isn't yet approved.  Part 5
 devices can theoretically operate in any part of the spectrum, provided
 that the license is granted -- the experimental license can be very
 specific about frequency, power, etc., as it's issued on a case-by-case
 basis.

 WISPs usually operate under Part 15, which regulates unlicensed devices.
 (The 3650 MHz band is in Part 90, as it requires a non-exclusive
 license.)  So the FCC doesn't generally care about your Part 15
 operation so long as you use type-approved equipment and follow the
 appropriate rules for that equipment and the frequency it's operating
 on.  Note that there can be some special cases; under the new U-NII
 rules, if you have 1000 outdoor access points on the 5150-5250 band,
 you have to give the FCC notice.  But it's still unlicensed.

 Have any of you ever heard of a requirement to register with a state's
 Public Service Commission (for a WISP providing Internet connectivity
 only - no VOIP, telephony, etc.)

 Not like a carrier.  You're providing an information service per
 federal definitions, and it's jurisdictionally interstate. It's not like
 a CLEC that needs certification. But there could be some kind of state
 business-licensing rules that apply to WISPs in some states; that's a
 legal question.

 If a WISP wants to become an eligible telecommunications carrier in
 order to participate in the forthcoming Universal Service Fund reverse
 auctions and get federal USF money, it will need ETC certification,
 which usually comes from the state PUC, but I think you don't need that
 until after you win the auction.


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Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site

2014-07-02 Thread Sam Tetherow

The new ethernet cover looks like it could be a pain on the back of a 
sector attached to a pole mount.


On 07/02/2014 10:42 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=ExhibitsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=527992fcc_id=SWX-RM5ACPTP



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT RocketAC spotted on FCC site

2014-07-02 Thread Sam Tetherow


Glad to hear.

On 07/02/2014 12:31 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I'm sure it'll be fine :)

On 07/02/2014 07:51 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
The new ethernet cover looks like it could be a pain on the back of a 
sector attached to a pole mount.


On 07/02/2014 10:42 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=ExhibitsRequestTimeout=500calledFromFrame=Napplication_id=527992fcc_id=SWX-RM5ACPTP



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Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax

2014-06-04 Thread Sam

Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you 
are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your 
customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are 
exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it 
you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of 
that charge. Or is that not the way it works?

Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through 
that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all 
around Omaha NE.

Sam

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[WISPA] Sales Tax

2014-06-03 Thread Sam

Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) 
to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by 
location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, 
far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

2014-05-22 Thread Sam Tetherow

Great, so sell service to a business, they put in the discounted 
equipment and then receive phone calls from the customer complaining 
about the speed because Google's customers are streaming video off their 
connection...



On 05/22/2014 11:19 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

http://gigaom.com/2014/05/21/google-reportedly-plans-to-target-businesses-with-wi-fi/?



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Re: [WISPA] pay per use billing

2014-05-06 Thread Sam Tetherow

We don't do usage based, for something like thermostats I would set them 
to 128k/128k or 512k/512k and charge them $20ish.  The camera's I would 
charge them full rate because they are going to use a lot of bandwidth 
depending on how often they are view them.


On 05/06/2014 03:03 PM, wi...@mncomm.com wrote:
I am starting to get hit by part time users going to their fishing 
house on the weekends. I also have customers that were on seasonal 
plans where their internet was shut down while they were gone, however 
they needed an active connection for remote access to thermostats and 
cameras.
So what's an average price for selling usage based service? We 
currently do not offer it now, but I may want to try it out on these 
instances

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

2014-05-01 Thread Sam

Thanks to all of you for the very helpful suggestions! We'll take a look 
at all of them and see which one works best for our setup. Thank you all 
again - you're the most-helpful bunch of folks with whom I've ever dealt.

Sam
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[WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

2014-04-30 Thread Sam

What do you guy use for small NEMA waterproof enclosures? These would be 
the size to hold three UBNT PoE and a small (four-port) switch and 
corresponding AC adapter, and an electrical block with four receptacles 
for plugging in the aforementioned items.

Thanks,
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[WISPA] Opinions Requested...

2014-04-23 Thread Sam

Good Morning Everyone and Happy Wednesday!

Have any of you had the opportunity to use Xirrus wifi equipment? 
Specifically I'm trying to determine if it would be a good fit for some 
of the areas we're looking at covering.

The areas are defined mostly like this:

Town A  Town B  Town C  Town D  Town E  Town F

Either Town A or Town F will have 100 Mbps circuit to the carrier (Pop)

There is anywhere from seven to fifteen miles between each of the towns.

All towns have less than 100 families; some less than 50.

I will have wireless PtP back hauls between all the towns. Each 
structure holding my PtP radios (as well as the AP(s)) for the towns is 
80 to 200 feet tall, averaging about 100 feet. Where I don't have LOS 
between two towns, I have intermediate structures at my disposal to 
backhaul around or over obstructions.

To me this is a perfect scenario for Nanobeams for the PtP links and 
CPEs, and Rockets with either a couple sectors or even an omni in the 
smallest of these towns.

A vendor who was demo'ing PureWave solutions before I moved into this 
position is now wanting to demo Xirrus wifi solutions for us. Based on 
my understanding of how this product works, in my example above we'd 
require (at least) one AP (or base station as I think they are called in 
Xirrus Land) in each of the six towns (along with separate PtP back 
hauls between the six towns...unless the Xirrus APs/Base stations negate 
the use of PtP back hauls for this layout...?

Sam's Assumption
Having never seen Xirrus products, nor knowing what these units cost, 
it's my guess that the initial investment in equipment (just for the 
infrastructure - not to mention the client CPE) would be many times that 
of a Ubiquiti solution without much (if anything) to gain by using the 
more-expensive equipment. From the little bit of pricing information I 
was able to find online, while less-expensive than Purewave, the Xirrus 
stuff still seems pretty high - especially for rolling out into a town 
of 35 families. (And yes I'm all-too-familiar with what frequently 
happens when one assumes) :)
/Sam's Assumption

Have any of you used Xirrus wifi? If you had areas like described above, 
is Xirrus wifi something you would consider?

Thank you all so much,
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[WISPA] Help Wanted, Badly....

2014-04-17 Thread Sam

Hi Everyone!

The company for which I work (Union Pacific Railroad) is looking to fill 
several positions in several different areas of expertise in many areas 
around the USA. In particular, we really need Java 
developers/programmers. The requirements are:

A Bachelor Degree in Computer Science, Computer Engineering,
Management Information Systems or related field, or a minimum of six 
years application development experience.

3+ years of solid Java hands on development experience.

Willingness to support 24x7 operations of mission critical systems.

Qualify on the Berger Aptitude for Programming (BAPT-Adv) Test.

Union Pacific is an outstanding company for which to work. Compensation 
and benefits are among the industry leaders. If you're a Java programmer 
(beginner to expert) you owe it to yourself to look into this. You can 
apply or find out more information at https://up.jobs/job/opening/072767

I have one additional post I'll be making immediately following this 
post with some additional needs.

I really hope that perhaps some of these positions will be beneficial to 
either some of you, some of your family members, or some of your friends.

Thanks,
Sam
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[WISPA] Jobs and More Jobs

2014-04-17 Thread Sam

In addition to the Java developer about which I've already posted, my 
company (Union Pacific Railroad) currently has 94 other positions 
available. These are not all in Omaha - some are in other states. These 
opportunities range from careers in development, operations, systems 
engineering, telecom, diesel mechanics, toolmen, electricians, J2EE 
technical leads, managers in business development, OBI/CRM developers, 
and many others. Please take a moment to check them out at

https://up.jobs/search-jobs.html?categorystate

Again, it is my sincere desire that some of these positions will benefit 
some of you either directly, or through your friends and families.

Thanks again for everyone's time and patience for reading through these 
posts.

~ Sam

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Re: [WISPA] test

2014-04-15 Thread Sam Tetherow


hey stranger.

On 04/15/2014 04:11 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

hi there
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
301-515-7774
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

2014-04-09 Thread Sam Tetherow

Locked tote.
We currently haven't been securing it to the ground, hasn't been an 
issue yet, but both of my locations are off road on private property.  
4x125aH batteries weighs more than a bag of concrete :)

Usually set the battery tote under the solar panel.

Separate box for electronics attached directly to the tower.

Holes drilled individually for the power leads that are the size of the 
cable.

2 styrofoam board underneath and on the sides of the battery tote.

Best things I have found to keep pests out is insecticide laced cattle 
ear tags for bugs.  Keeping mice out of larger conduit, stuff the ends 
with steel wool.

On 04/09/2014 05:54 AM, Erik Anderson wrote:
 How do you guys secure these totes? Mix an 80 lb sack of Quickcrete in
 the bottom? Padlock on the outside -- one key for you and one for the
 customer?
 Do you run two pvc sweeps - one for current and one for cat-5? Anything
 to keep pests out of those sweeps?
 Do you insulate around the battery to prolong battery life during those
 long cold spells?

 Thanks.

 On 4/8/2014 5:01 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
 I have a customer with an old telephone pole that wasn't used up the hill
 from his house and I put the following: (My costs)

 1x Solar Cynergy 100W 12V panel - $125+shipping
 1x Morningstar Sunsaver SS-10 10A, 12V Pwm Charge Controller $44.46+shipping
 2x 35Ah SLA Batteries $65+tax each
 2x TP-DCDC-1224 $32ish+shipping each
 1x Tractor Supply Plastic Box $69.99+tax -
 http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/tractor-supply-coreg%3B-chest-32-in?cm
 _vc=-10005
 1x RB-Sextant for the link to our tower
 2x RB-Omnitik to link to house could be an RB-SXT and bridge it

 I think we charged $700 for the setup.

 Chris

 I just checked and it has been up for 220days.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert
 Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:31 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

 Yes,
  We got a pair of 100 Watt panels at a great price off newegg.com  ,
 no shipping, which for solar panels was a deal maker! Only used one panel.
 We build the mounts with Home Depot Superstrut and 1 conduit. ~$50 We
 used

 http://thesolarstore.com/charge-controllers-charge-controllers-morningstar-p
 rostar-charge-controller-volt-p-455.html
 ~$100

 And a Walmart 124 Amp hour battery...  ~$100

 Good for 1.4 weeks no sun..   We use Mikrotik so we get remote voltage
 that way, use a 750UP for that with UBNT, but be sure and correct the
 voltage on your monitoring...   You are working off 12V so you have to
 worry about your amperage through the 750UP, but with UBNT gear that
 shouldn't be a problem..  MT radios are a problem at 12V...   So we use
 a 12-24V converter.  ($70)

 We put it in a Walmart plastic tub.  The one that is strong enough to stand
 on. ~$30

 We figured we saved about $400 vs buying a pre-built solution.  More like
 $700 over Tycon's solution.

 Panels were $299 for 2 they are still there.  But just saw this which is a
 good deal too!


 Complete Solar Kit 200W: 2pcs 100W Solar Panels+20' Solar cable in
 Pair+PWM 30A Charge Controller+2 Sets Z Brackets+MC4 Branch Connectors
 Pair+Pair

 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29R0RA4028



 On 04/08/2014 09:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?
 For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can
 provide service at the end of their lane.

 This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
 Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I
 thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the tower and 
solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have 
on them is snow accumulating on the panels.


Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280
Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63
MC4 cable $31
Shipping $249

Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250

Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch 
put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP.


On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? 
 For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can 
provide service at the end of their lane.


This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of 
Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I 
thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

According to the spec sheets you are looking at 8W for the NS + 5.5W for 
the NB and probably another 6W for the TS (only shows maximum 
consumption which would include all POE ports active) so about 20W total 
consumption.


Running it in a 24V configuration hence 2 12V batteries.  I figured more 
like 5 days on the batteries by the time you figure in low voltage 
cutoff and winter conditions.  I could have went with smaller batteries, 
but getting +40ah for $20/battery.  I've had problems with equipment 
acting flakey when running UBNT with 12V power.  My goal was as low 
maintenance as possible since the site is not easy to get to in the 
winter and did want to leave room in case I needed to add any equipment.


The problem with sizing an all solar setup is you generally end up with 
overkill for 80% of the time since you are designing for crappy weather 
on the shortest days of the year with minimal sunlight and they tend not 
to be in places that it is easy to haul a generator to when your 
batteries die in the middle of a blizzard.



On 04/08/2014 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are 
you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 
days on a 10 watt load.


Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to 
the question)?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net 
mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:


I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the tower
and solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low maintenance, only
issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels.

Astronergy 290W 24V panel  $280
Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63
MC4 cable $31
Shipping $249

Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250

Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a
Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation
for the AP.


On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a forest
but you can provide service at the end of their lane.

This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a
kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the
price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

Or better yet, call some place like wholesale solar and have someone 
walk you through everything.  The guy I talked to was really helpful in 
helping me do all of the calculations for northern Nebraska and walking 
me through all of the math.

On a larger site (5 rockets and a TS, 4 batteries instead of 2) I have 
had the batteries drain to the point that low voltage cutoff kicked in 
due to snow on the panels.  Brushed off the panels mid morning and the 
site comes right back up and thanks to the larger panel it ran the 
equipment all day and had enough wattage to charge the batteries to make 
it through the night without any issue.

On 04/08/2014 12:09 PM, Robert wrote:
 Honestly I have no clue what your exposure is like...   Go off the sites
 at the solar panel stores that describe it and compare it to Northern
 Nevada...  BUT if it's not critical to the customer, or the customer is
 willing to swap a battery or two out when things get bad, you can save a
 lot of cash.   We also have a set of batteries that are always ready to
 go to any site(s) that get in battery trouble to make it a non-issue.
 That's what we do with the solar site batteries when we feel we aren't
 getting max performance out of them Replace them and they go in
 trickle backup..

 On 04/08/2014 10:02 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Oh, so since I'm in Ohio I'm going to need at least the 290 watt panel =P


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Robert nos...@avantwireless.com
 mailto:nos...@avantwireless.com wrote:

  It gets to the key of any solar project, what's the exposure.   We are
  out in NV where 100 watt panel and 2x124 amp hour batteries is more than
  enough all year to span cloudy sessions.   We get one full day and we
  are recharged and rarely go a week without one day of enough sun to get
  another week of run time until we get the period that everything is
  fully charged.   More panel gets you back up faster so Sam's setup will
  get him back to normal in 1/3 the time = 3x the clouds.

  BTW set your solar panels for the maximum sun declination.  That's when
  days are the shortest and the need for power is the greatest and usually
  the weather is the worst.   It also helps with the snow issue.  By the
  time the sun is higher the days are longer and you make up for the bad
  angle with more exposure/better weather...

  On 04/08/2014 09:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
   That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are
   you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the batteries would do
  12 days
   on a 10 watt load.
  
   Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to
   the question)?
  
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
  
   On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net
  mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net
   mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:
  
   I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the
  tower and
   solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low maintenance, only
  issue I
   have on them is snow accumulating on the panels.
  
   Astronergy 290W 24V panel
   $280
   Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63
   MC4
   cable
   $31
   Shipping
   $249
  
   Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250
  
   Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a
   Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation
   for the AP.
  
  
   On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
   Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
   customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a forest
   but you can provide service at the end of their lane.
  
   This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together
  a kit
   of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.
I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
  tel:937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
  tel:937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

Should be roughly the same power consumption.  I used the spec sheets 
figuring the numbers would be higher than actual used.  The only expense 
that makes me cringe in this setup (used it twice now) is the shipping 
cost, it cost as much to ship a single panel as the cost of the panel.  
If I was doing a lot of these I could cut the cost down quite a bit just 
by ordering 5-10 panels.


On 04/08/2014 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I measured a NSM2 a long time ago, it's 4-5 watts according to my amp 
meter.


I'm not doing a ToughSwitch, I'm avoiding them entirely.  I'll be 
doing an rb750p.



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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net 
mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:


According to the spec sheets you are looking at 8W for the NS +
5.5W for the NB and probably another 6W for the TS (only shows
maximum consumption which would include all POE ports active) so
about 20W total consumption.

Running it in a 24V configuration hence 2 12V batteries. I figured
more like 5 days on the batteries by the time you figure in low
voltage cutoff and winter conditions.  I could have went with
smaller batteries, but getting +40ah for $20/battery.  I've had
problems with equipment acting flakey when running UBNT with 12V
power.  My goal was as low maintenance as possible since the site
is not easy to get to in the winter and did want to leave room in
case I needed to add any equipment.

The problem with sizing an all solar setup is you generally end up
with overkill for 80% of the time since you are designing for
crappy weather on the shortest days of the year with minimal
sunlight and they tend not to be in places that it is easy to haul
a generator to when your batteries die in the middle of a blizzard.



On 04/08/2014 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load
or are you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the batteries
would do 12 days on a 10 watt load.

Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads
back to the question)?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow
tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the
tower and solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low
maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating
on the panels.

Astronergy 290W 24V panel$280
Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63
MC4 cable $31
Shipping $249

Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250

Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a
Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a
NanoStation for the AP.


On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a
forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane.

This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together
a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer
the price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing
the wheel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

And cost ;)  There is some room in that you can always add batteries or 
a panel (or swap out the panel).  I guess my thought on Josh's original 
post was over engineer it, if the customer doesn't want to pay for the 
equipment you are out nothing (other than a customer you couldn't reach 
anyway).  And if they do pay for it, you want something that is reliable 
since they are outlaying a good chunk of cash in their mind whether that 
is $500 or $1000 dollars.


You don't want them saying I spent $500 for this setup and it dies in 
the middle of a snow storm, and you don't want to be running out to do 
maintenance on a site for a single customer in inclement weather which 
is about the only time you have problems with a solar setup.


On 04/08/2014 12:45 PM, Tom Fadgen wrote:
You have to remember, in the winter the sun is much less available. 
There is no such thing as too much... only your tolerance for  downtime!

I have overshot the mark a few times.

120(min) watt Solar Panel
Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller
Solar Cable
Tycon *TP-DCDC-1224*
*Cabinet*
*Batteries, at least 180amp hours, gives 3 days of no sun*
*
*
*Tom Fadgen*
On Tuesday 08/04/2014 at 9:49 am, Josh Luthman wrote:
Robert's over here doing 1/3 of that, though.  He's got a 15 watt 
load (two Ubnt, rb750p).



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:


More panel is better than less panel.  ;-)

Not sure I'd go less than half of that.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
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mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:41:52 AM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit


That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load
or are you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the batteries
would do 12 days on a 10 watt load.

Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads
back to the question)?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow
tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on the
tower and solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low
maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating
on the panels.

Astronergy 290W 24V panel$280
Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63
MC4 cable $31
Shipping  ?? $249

Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250

Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a
Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a
NanoStation for the AP.


On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a
forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane.

This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put
together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give
the customer the price.  I thought I would ask here
before reinventing the wheel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

Maybe you have better customers than I do, but mine will pick the cheap 
one and bitch like they paid for the expensive one every time something 
goes wrong with it.  Maybe I'm just not that good of a salesman, I find 
it easier to just tell them this is what it costs, if that is too much I 
fully understand and they can find another option.


When I started we did several motels and I took that approach and 3 of 
them have since moved on because I let them take the cheap option with 
the understanding that it will not have as good of coverage. All they 
seem to remember is they paid me money for an option that I suggested to 
them and it didn't work.  Never mind the part about different options 
and what the trade offs were.  To each their own, that was just my 
experience.


On 04/08/2014 01:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Old proven trick:  Give the customer 2-3 options.  I like 2, since I 
find customers like simplicity.  Cheap option, list the caveats and 
problems.  Expensive option, get the most solid over engineered fool 
proof stuff out there.


Let the customer decide if they want to be cheap or have a solid 
solution.  If you have problems with the cheap one, they call and you 
fix it and charge appropriately.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net 
mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:


And cost ;)  There is some room in that you can always add
batteries or a panel (or swap out the panel).  I guess my thought
on Josh's original post was over engineer it, if the customer
doesn't want to pay for the equipment you are out nothing (other
than a customer you couldn't reach anyway).  And if they do pay
for it, you want something that is reliable since they are
outlaying a good chunk of cash in their mind whether that is $500
or $1000 dollars.

You don't want them saying I spent $500 for this setup and it dies
in the middle of a snow storm, and you don't want to be running
out to do maintenance on a site for a single customer in inclement
weather which is about the only time you have problems with a
solar setup.


On 04/08/2014 12:45 PM, Tom Fadgen wrote:

You have to remember, in the winter the sun is much less
available. There is no such thing as too much... only your
tolerance for  downtime!
I have overshot the mark a few times.

120(min) watt Solar Panel
Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller
Solar Cable
Tycon *TP-DCDC-1224*
*Cabinet*
*Batteries, at least 180amp hours, gives 3 days of no sun*
*
*
*Tom Fadgen*
On Tuesday 08/04/2014 at 9:49 am, Josh Luthman wrote:

Robert's over here doing 1/3 of that, though.  He's got a 15
watt load (two Ubnt, rb750p).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett
wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

More panel is better than less panel.  ;-)

Not sure I'd go less than half of that.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


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That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt
load or are you doing much more?  Quick math tells me the
batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load.

Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also
leads back to the question)?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow
tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

I have one up for 2 customers.  They paid the cost on
the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP.  Pretty low
maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow
accumulating on the panels.

Astronergy 290W 24V panel$280
Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller   $63
MC4 cable $31
Shipping  ?? $249

Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah)  $250

Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in
on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul

Re: [WISPA] Charger

I haven't used the 12v version, but the Meanwell AD-155A is smaller and 
it looks like significantly cheaper.



On 04/08/2014 02:23 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
Which 12v DC chargers do you guys use to power small rooftop repeaters 
from?


I've been using iota dls chargers, but 12v at 15 amps is as small as 
they go. It'd be nice if they were physically smaller to save room in 
the cabinet, too.


Cheers,
Roger
G5 Internet, LLC



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Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...

2014-03-28 Thread Sam

Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. This was a good learning 
experience for me from you all.

Thank you again,
Sam
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[WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...

2014-03-27 Thread Sam

Today we had a company come to us pushing wimax. Admittedly I've never 
used wimax, nor do I know a lot about it. From what I can see looking at 
Google images of the technology and how it's deployed, it looks no 
different than the PtP and PtMP that we all use with 900 MHz, or 2.4 and 
5.x GHz.

Is the only advantage to wimax the presumably clearer and less-used 
frequencies upon which they operate? I had (evidently mistakenly) 
thought that perhaps wimax was a code word for some sort of mesh, and 
that's how it achieved NLOS service. However in looking at the network 
layouts on Google, it doesn't look like that at all. Rather, it looks 
like that add another AP to get around the obstruction(s), and simply 
backhaul it to an intermediary AP/tower to get it back to the PoP.

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

2014-03-26 Thread Sam Tetherow

We run the unifi server in the office.  The only requirement is the 
unifi units need to be able to connect to the unifi controller on port 
8080, you will also need 8880 and 8843 if using the portal redirect.  So 
even if the controller is behind a NAT you can set up a port forwards.


While I haven't set up the AWS controller, those that I have talked to 
said it was dead simple using the steps on the wiki, even from people 
who aren't system administrators.


If the staff is willing to do the vouchers they are pretty simple. You 
just create a bunch ahead of time, print out the codes and they can hand 
them out as needed.  Every place I have wanted to use it the staff 
didn't want to mess around with it so they just change the WPA2 key 
every month.


On 03/26/2014 08:50 AM, Mark Spring wrote:

Heith,

Do you run those back to your server over a vpn on the tik or is it 
all just local? I am planning on doing some unifi work in the near 
future and I'm just curious what others have run into when the unifi 
is not on your network. My knowledge of unifi is almost none, just 
trying to come up with some scenarios that would work best. It seems 
like others are confirming what I think you would run into, the unifi 
server just won't play that well on site for most installs.


Thanks for your feedback!

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Systems Analyst

New Knoxville Telephone Company
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:47 AM, wi...@mncomm.com 
mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote:


Yeah, I run a UniFi server at my office to drive the 3 HotSpot pay
per use
camp grounds we have and operate, but they are all driven from
Mikrotik
routers on site. I suppose we could run something here, but
allocating its
own server or virtual server locally could be beyond me. I bought
a few
slots on amazon aws before, just never dug into it too deeply yet

heith

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication


I've got Tik hotspots set up at a few towers and have setup
usermanager for
a retirement community. You definitely have more control with a
Tik box but
using Unifi with vouchers would be far easier.

You can still host the Unifi server at your place if they do not
keep a
computer running and they can print out vouchers ahead of time or
at the
time.

-- Original Message --
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Date:  Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:11:44 -0500

Thanks!

From: Bryce Duchcherer
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motel WiFi Authentication

I did a hotel a few months ago using UniFi and MikroTik.

We are running Hotspot service on the MikroTik (RB1100AHx2) and
UserManager.

For user account creation I put in a HotSpot printer from
Technologic. It
uses API to create user accounts in UserManager so it is very
easy for
clerks to be able to create users for guests. You can set limits
for days,
speed, data transfer, etc.

ItâEUR^(TM)s not cheap, and not the easiest to set up but once it
is in it works
well.



Check out www.hotspot-printer.com http://www.hotspot-printer.com



Another option, depending on the billing system they use, could
be to use
radius integrated with their billing system to create users.



Or, you could just enable user manager and the clerk could create
users in
the web interface.



If you want some more info shoot me an email off list.



Bryce D

bduc...@netago.ca mailto:bduc...@netago.ca



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Not sure if I should post to UBNT or Mikrotik. Anyways we have a
few motels
that we run the UniFi APs in and they offer free use of the
service. Of
course its all you can eat for anyone across the street from the
motel, or
those who loiter in the parking

Re: [WISPA] Guy Wire Calculator

2014-03-21 Thread Sam Tetherow

Of course that doesn't take into consideration how much slack you need 
prior to tensioning the guy wires.


On 03/17/2014 09:44 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
Assuming the tower is vertical and the ground is flat, they are two 
sides of a triangle and the guy wire is the hypotenuse. So the 
calculation you are looking for is the pythagoras theorem. A squared, 
plus B squared = C squared.


Here's an explanation...

http://www.wikihow.com/Find-the-Length-of-the-Hypotenuse

You probably need a guy wire about every 25 feet vertically, but I'd 
look up the rohn docs to be sure.




On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Eagle One Wireless e...@e1w.com 
mailto:e...@e1w.com wrote:


We are putting up a 120 ft rohn 25 tower. First tower we have
actually put up in a few years. Anyone have a calculator to help
me figure up how much guy wire to order?

And maybe how many sets i need?

Thanks,

Kevin Melson

Eagle One Wireless

1505 Hwy 72 E

Corinth, MS 38834

662-287-1722 tel:662-287-1722

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[WISPA] Business Case

2014-03-18 Thread Sam

Morning Folks!

Have any of you ever had to write a business case prior to securing 
funding for your WISP, or to justify to your banker that becoming a WISP 
is a good idea? If so, would you be willing to share that? I asked Rick 
if WISPA.ORG had any examples of guidelines, but they don't.

Thanks,
Sam

(Go Creighton!)
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[WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Sam

Good Morning Folks!

Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux 
boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me 
I cannot remember the name of it.

Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like 
for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth 
from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream 
provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment 
is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower 
to their equipment at their home or business.

Hopefully this makes sense

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Sam

Thank you for sending that Justin.

Do you (or anyone of you) know of one written in PERL? I'm 
reasonably-certain that's how the original that I used to use was coded. 
In a nutshell it times how long a large file would take to be 
downloaded, do the math, and figure out Kbps (or Mbps). While PERL isn't 
my strong suit, I may be able to write one from scratch. However if 
someone's already invented the wheel, there's no point in reinventing it 
all over again. :)

Thanks
Sam


On 3/6/2014 08:58, Justin Wilson wrote:
 http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php


 It expires on a regular basis so check on it every so often (every month
 or so).

 Justin


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 Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

 Good Morning Folks!

 Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
 boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
 I cannot remember the name of it.

 Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
 for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
 provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
 is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
 to their equipment at their home or business.

 Hopefully this makes sense

 Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Sam

Thanks to everyone who's helped with this and offered suggestions! As 
always, you guys are the best!


On 3/6/2014 12:14, Blair Davis wrote:
 Quite honestly, it has been on my website since 2003.

 I have a zip of the directory it lives in.

 I just opened it up and looked at it.  It appears to be C1999 and C2001
 by WISPA...  under GPL

 --


 On 3/6/2014 12:39 PM, Robert wrote:
 These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving
 a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes..   Usually
 very easy programming...  If you wouldn't mind sharing the source...

 Best,

   Robert


 On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
 There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
 describe...

 www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php


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Re: [WISPA] remote employee

2014-03-05 Thread Sam Tetherow

And to pick on law makers, if you have to already be in the business to 
be considered a contractor, then how the heck do you get your first client?


On 03/05/2014 04:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Directly on point for you:

http://dlr.sd.gov/ui/publications/independent_vs_employee_fact_sheet.pdf

South Dakota Codified Law 61-1-11 states to be considered an 
independent contractor,
a worker must be both free from direction and control and have an 
independently
established business. Since other state and federal agencies may have 
slightly different
definitions of independent contractors, their criteria may not apply 
to South Dakota

Unemployment Insurance.
The courts have defined both portions of the South Dakota statute. The 
first portion of
the statute concerns control. Although individuals may have freedom of 
action in the
way work can be performed, control can still be exercised through 
other means such as
written or verbal agreements or a contract. What really matters is who 
has the legal

right to control the outcome of the work.
The second portion of the statute concerns whether the individual is 
customarily
engaged in an independently established trade, occupation, profession, 
or business.
The word independently means a trade, occupation, profession, or 
business must be
established independently of, and exist separately from, the services 
rendered to the
alleged employer. The present tense is indicates the individual must 
be engaged in
such independent activity at the time of rendering the service to the 
alleged employer. 


The linked .pdf has more information, and I'm sure state government 
will help you further...


-forrest


On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:39 AM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com 
mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote:


So, we finally got our former local tech set up at his office at
his new home 3 hours away. He has tunnel access into our net,
access to billing and his VoIP phone tied to our switch to make
and receive calls on our local lines, just like he did when he sat
10 feet from me. So next is to fine tune things.
We dumped him as a regular employee and moved to contract labor
with no benefits, basically bumped him to a level where his pay
per hour covered what he received via benefits, like insurance and
vacation. Makes it easier for the accountant as she just cuts a
check and doesn't have to deduct taxes, however it now becomes his
responsibility to claim wages and pay the taxes.
What we are working on now is management. My boss wants him to log
everything he does and pay from there, but to me that seems to be
a lot of work. We have a web based time clock, but I already have
issues with techs forgetting to clock in or clock out, I cant
imagine it would be better having a guy clock out after every
single support call. Our phone system can log time on the phone
and where the calls went to, but of course a guy can be busy
updating firmware and re-configuring equipment without being on
the phone.
The guy really only wants to clock 4 hours a day, but I need him
available off an on during the day. He is unique and he could sit
at home all day. I would almost just pay him 4 hours flat a day to
sit and have him there and available, but the bosses want to pay
him for only what he works, which I think puts more load on us
deciphering logs to see what he actually worked.
Anyways kind of a first for us, and maybe a last. Just wondering
what others, if any, have done. I don't want to lose the guy
because he takes care of a lot of stuff when I am gone and I don't
have to train him.
thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage


  
  
You can ssh into the nanostation and use tcpdump to see what the
traffic is and where it is going.

On 02/18/2014 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to
have to do a packet capture some how.


Mikrotik would make this much much much easier.
  
  

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~
  n...@ngl.net
  wrote:
  

  How do I check for UDP
connections, I am using Nanostations?

  

  From: Ben
  West 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM
  To: WISPA
  General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage


  


Torrents can consume up and down
  bandwidth with no limit, depending on how the
  client is set up. Do you see that customer
  opening many many many UDP connections?


  
  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at
11:50 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
wrote:

  
I have a customer that has used 19
  GBytes down and 9 GBytes up in the last 18
  hours.

What does a smart TV use?

What can theybe doing?

NGL


  

  
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Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage


  
  
Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use tcpdump all the
time on a nanostation to check traffic out.

On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of
memory/flash? netstat would be pretty hard to read if it's
bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist.
  

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh
  Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
  wrote:
  

  Horsepoopy

tcpdump / netstat / iptraf

See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing
called Linux. Once upon a time, people actually knew how
to use it.

  
 Josh Reynolds
  Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS
  j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

  

  

   On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
  

  
  

  
If you're limited to Nanostations,
  you're going to have to do a packet capture some
  how.
  
  
  Mikrotik would make this much much much
easier.


  
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  
  
  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at
1:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
wrote:

  
How do I check for UDP connections, I am using
  Nanostations?
  

  
From: Ben West 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18,
  2014 9:57 AM
To: WISPA General List

Subject: Re: [WISPA]
  Banswidth usage
  
  

  
  
  Torrents can consume up
and down bandwidth with no limit,
depending on how the client is set
up. Do you see that customer
opening many many many UDP
connections?
  
  

On Tue, Feb
  18, 2014 at 11:50 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net
  wrote:
  

  I have a customer that
has used 19 GBytes down and
9 GBytes up in the last 18
hours.
  
  What does a smart TV use?
  
  What can theybe doing?
  
  NGL
  
  

  

If
you can read this
Thank A Teacher.
And if it's in
English Thank A
Soldier!

Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage


  
  
ip_conntrack is only there if the radio is doing NAT (OP didn't say
one way or the other)

On 02/18/2014 12:30 PM, Ben West wrote:


  
If you're handy with an SSH console, and you can log in
  directly to the Nanostation in question, this command can dump
  a list of all active connections:
  
  cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack
  

If you know the IP address issued to the client in
  question, or you want to filter the list to active UDP
  connections, you can use grep:
  

grep udp /proc/net/ip_conntrack

grep 192.168.x.x /proc/net/ip_conntrack # where 192.168.x.x
  is client's IP


  This works on Picostations running UniFi, should work on
  AirMax too. Indeed, it will probably work on an
  802.11g-generation Nanostation as well. This is just querying
  netstate state info from the Linux kernel.
  


  
  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM,
John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
wrote:

  

  Netflix at 480p does about 3 to 5 megabits per
second.
  That upstream number looks high for Netflix.
  Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com
  

  
On February 18, 2014
  9:51:51 AM
  "~NGL~" n...@ngl.net
  wrote:

  I
have a customer that has used 19 GBytes down
and 9 GBytes up in the last 18 hours.
  
  What does a smart TV use?
  
  What can theybe doing?
  
  NGL
  
  

  

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this Thank A Teacher.
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Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage


  
  
If the radio did 19x9 in 18 hours it should be pretty obvious what
is eating all the traffic. If you want to look at historical
traffic he is going to need to be running (and capturing) netflow
data.

On 02/18/2014 01:00 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  Sure for currently active traffic. But I think OP
is after something a bit different.
  

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh
  Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
  wrote:
  

  

You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data
gets displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the
nanostation or whatever device you're running.

  

   Josh Reynolds
Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
  

  


   On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
  

  
  

  
For an hour?
Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM,
  "Sam Tetherow" tethe...@shwisp.net
  wrote:
  
 Not sure
  I understand what the problem is. I use
  tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check
  traffic out.
  
  On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
  
  
How are you going to tcpdump
  with 16 MB of memory/flash? netstat would
  be pretty hard to read if it's bridge mode
  and iptraf doesn't exist.

  
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  
  
  On Tue, Feb 18,
2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
wrote:

  
Horsepoopy
  
  tcpdump / netstat / iptraf
  
  See, before there was Mikrotik,
  there was this thing called Linux.
  Once upon a time, people actually
  knew how to use it.
  

   Josh Reynolds
Chief Information
Officer
SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com
| www.spitwspots.com
  

  

  
 On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM,
  Josh Luthman wrote:

  


  

  If you're
limited to Nanostations,
you're going to have to do a
packet captur

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

Which is why you really should limit the behavior and not the 
application.  The problem isn't because they are torrents, it is because 
the a) use a lot of download bandwidth b) use a lot of upload bandwidth 
c) have a high pps d) have a large connection count.  Pick which one is 
affecting your network and limit that rather than trying to limit a 
specific application.  That way you are fixing the problem and not 
chasing today's cause of the problem.

On 02/18/2014 01:18 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 My torrents are encrypted over port 443 in a tunnel to a registered tracker.

 But if they are using plain ol' piratebay or equivalent a box like that
 will work fine to block it.

 Matthew Jenkins
 SmarterBroadband
 m...@sbbinc.net
 530.272.4000

 On 02/18/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very
 expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also
 discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by
 using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic.

 *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

 On 02/18/2014 10:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
 So how do you stop torrents?
 NGL

  *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
  *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM
  *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage

  It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the
  goal line.

  *Josh Reynolds*
  Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS
  j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

  On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  Sure for currently active traffic.  But I think OP is after
  something a bit different.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
  j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  

  You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets
  displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the
  nanostation or whatever device you're running.


  *Josh Reynolds*
  Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS
  j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com |
  www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

  On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  For an hour?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, Sam Tetherow
  tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

  Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use
  tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out.

  On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of
  memory/flash?  netstat would be pretty hard to read if
  it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds
  j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  Horsepoopy

  tcpdump / netstat / iptraf

  See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this
  thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people
  actually knew how to use it.

  *Josh Reynolds*
  Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS
  j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com |
  www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

  On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going
  to have to do a packet capture some how.

  Mikrotik would make this much much much easier.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~
  n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote:

  How do I check for UDP connections, I am
  using Nanostations?

  *From:* Ben West mailto:b...@gowasabi.net
  *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM
  *To:* WISPA General List

[WISPA] Microsoft, Google, Comcast among supporters for Wi-Fi access expansion

2014-02-14 Thread Sam

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-google-comcast-among-supporters-for-wi-fi-access-expansion-726353/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9

(My apologies if this is old news. I hadn't seen it yet if it is.) Have 
a great weekend!

~Sam

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[WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

2014-02-13 Thread Sam

Good Morning,

I believe I know the answer to this already, however my managers wanted 
me to ask. Has anyone ever heard of an access point that has two 
different frequencies (ie. 2.4 and 5.8) and each of their antennas 
integrated all into a single unit? The thought process behind this being 
to save on tower space and load.

This isn't referring to a full duplex configuration used for ptp links 
where one frequency transmits while the other frequency listens. This 
would be for PTMP between the tower and CPE units.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

2014-02-13 Thread Sam

Yeah, that's the thing Mike - the thought my managers had was that an 
integrated unit wouldn't take up nearly as much real estate on the 
tower. Something like what Eric mentioned would be excellent, were it to 
work like independent radios would work. Eric, I'll definitely check 
into the Ubiquiti and Ruckus models. I was unaware that such a beast 
actually existed, so your post has great information to know.

Thanks
Sam

On 2/13/2014 11:27, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Most of those dual band radios, however, are not suitable for a PtMP
 environment, but are for Wi-Fi.



 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 *From: *Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:42:19 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

 Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but there are several AP's that
 support dual-band operation inside an integrated unit. Ruckus and
 Ubiquity have integrated units that broadcast 2.4 and 5.7 simultaneously
 using the same or different SSID.


 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com
 mailto:w...@csilogan.com wrote:

 Good Morning,

 I believe I know the answer to this already, however my managers wanted
 me to ask. Has anyone ever heard of an access point that has two
 different frequencies (ie. 2.4 and 5.8) and each of their antennas
 integrated all into a single unit? The thought process behind this being
 to save on tower space and load.

 This isn't referring to a full duplex configuration used for ptp links
 where one frequency transmits while the other frequency listens. This
 would be for PTMP between the tower and CPE units.

 Thanks,
 Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

2014-02-13 Thread Sam

Hi Larry,

I've not looked at it yet, but I did see this link...this may be the one 
for which you're looking. (Same for me as far as that goes) :)

http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas/

Sam

On 2/13/2014 12:58, Larry A. Weidig wrote:
 Everybody sounds like they are pleased with the Itelite antennas as
 well?  Because three antennas to give us 3 120 2.4GHz and 3 120 5GHz
 sectors sounds awfully appealing.  They seem to state that they will
 house the Rocket M radios as well as found on this page:

 http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Ubiquiti-Antennas/

 Though from that page it does not appear to have any 2/4/5 combo
 antennas listed.  Would prefer to keep the rockets mounted inside of
 something and preferably metal.

 Thanks for any feedback.

 
 Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net)
 Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/
 (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area
 (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free

 
 *From: *Mike Delp miked...@gmail.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:53:26 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

 Itelite Sectors with 2.4 and 5 GHz wireless cards in a Mikrotik
 Routerboard is what we have on a couple of towers.  Three antennas for
 full coverage in 2.4 and 5g.  Point to multipoint on both bands.

 Mike


 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com
 mailto:w...@csilogan.com wrote:

 Good Morning,

 I believe I know the answer to this already, however my managers wanted
 me to ask. Has anyone ever heard of an access point that has two
 different frequencies (ie. 2.4 and 5.8) and each of their antennas
 integrated all into a single unit? The thought process behind this being
 to save on tower space and load.

 This isn't referring to a full duplex configuration used for ptp links
 where one frequency transmits while the other frequency listens. This
 would be for PTMP between the tower and CPE units.

 Thanks,
 Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

2014-02-13 Thread Sam

This actually looks very interesting

Key Features:
Sectorial Gain
Professional Sector Antenna with Space for Electronics
Shielded Radio Compartment
Dual Band Dual Polarization
2.4GHz Dual 5GHz Dual in One Case
2xDual Polarization
Special Outdoor Weatherproof Enclosure
High Quality Construction
Heavy-Duty Mounting Elements
Easy Elevation and Tilt Adjustment
5 Years Warranty
Designed for All Weather Operation

Applications:
MIMO
2.4 GHz Band Wireless LAN
5 GHz Band Wireless LAN
IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n WLAN Systems
Point to Multipoint Applications

The URL for this particular model is
http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas//PRO-SECTOR-XL-245dual-band2xdual-HV.html

Sam

On 2/13/2014 12:58, Larry A. Weidig wrote:
Everybody sounds like they are pleased with the Itelite antennas as
well? Because three antennas to give us 3 120 2.4GHz and 3 120 5GHz
sectors sounds awfully appealing. They seem to state that they will
house the Rocket M radios as well as found on this page:

http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Ubiquiti-Antennas/

Though from that page it does not appear to have any 2/4/5 combo
antennas listed. Would prefer to keep the rockets mounted inside of
something and preferably metal.

Thanks for any feedback.

Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net)
Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/
(920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area
(888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free

*From: *Mike Delp miked...@gmail.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:53:26 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

Itelite Sectors with 2.4 and 5 GHz wireless cards in a Mikrotik
Routerboard is what we have on a couple of towers. Three antennas for
full coverage in 2.4 and 5g. Point to multipoint on both bands.

Mike

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com
mailto:w...@csilogan.com wrote:

Good Morning,

I believe I know the answer to this already, however my managers wanted
me to ask. Has anyone ever heard of an access point that has two
different frequencies (ie. 2.4 and 5.8) and each of their antennas
integrated all into a single unit? The thought process behind this being
to save on tower space and load.

This isn't referring to a full duplex configuration used for ptp links
where one frequency transmits while the other frequency listens. This
would be for PTMP between the tower and CPE units.

Thanks,
Sam

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

2014-02-13 Thread Sam

So I called the company (the Whittier CA branch, not the ones in Poland) 
and spoke with a gentleman named Pedro.

Their current model holds only a single Rocket. However within the next 
couple of weeks (estimated availability) they will have a model that 
holds two Rockets. The downside of this is that there is space in the 
enclosure for two Rockets, however it's not molded or designed for them 
to snap into place - it's up to us to determine how to stabilize the 
Rockets inside the enclosure. I understood Pedro to say they are looking 
into rectifying that. (That was the only downside of this product that I 
saw. That's not to say I didn't ask the right questions, but of the ones 
I did ask, this was the only negative.)

They are 90 degree -3dBi sectors.

The gain on the antennas is 15 dBi (for the 2.4 GHz), and 18 dBi (for 
the 5 GHz).

List price is currently $209 per unit. This may increase slightly (10 to 
20 percent) when the units are released that hold two Rockets. Pedro 
felt the cost would remain less than $250 though, after the increase.

Hope this helps someone. I'm pretty psyched about it, and am very 
interested in testing them out.

Sam


On 2/13/2014 13:10, Larry A. Weidig wrote:
 Yes, I have come across that section and specifically interested in the 
 PRO-SECTOR-XL 2.4/5dual band_2xdual HV  antenna.  However, it states will 
 hold Mikrotik stuff, but nothing about Ubiquiti.  Assuming that can be 
 overcome then pricing and availability would be next as this would be a 
 phenonmenal solution assuming the antennas perform well and hold up.


 Larry A. Weidig ( lwei...@excel.net )
 Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/
 (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area
 (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free

 - Original Message -
 From: Sam w...@csilogan.com
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:07:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

 Hi Larry,

 I've not looked at it yet, but I did see this link...this may be the one
 for which you're looking. (Same for me as far as that goes) :)

 http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Multi-Band-Antennas/

 Sam

 On 2/13/2014 12:58, Larry A. Weidig wrote:
 Everybody sounds like they are pleased with the Itelite antennas as
 well?  Because three antennas to give us 3 120 2.4GHz and 3 120 5GHz
 sectors sounds awfully appealing.  They seem to state that they will
 house the Rocket M radios as well as found on this page:

 http://www.itelite.net/en/Katalog/Ubiquiti-Antennas/

 Though from that page it does not appear to have any 2/4/5 combo
 antennas listed.  Would prefer to keep the rockets mounted inside of
 something and preferably metal.

 Thanks for any feedback.

 
 Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net mailto:lwei...@excel.net)
 Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/
 (920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area
 (888) 489-9995 – Other areas, toll-free

 
 *From: *Mike Delp miked...@gmail.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:53:26 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Dual Frequency AP Radio

 Itelite Sectors with 2.4 and 5 GHz wireless cards in a Mikrotik
 Routerboard is what we have on a couple of towers.  Three antennas for
 full coverage in 2.4 and 5g.  Point to multipoint on both bands.

 Mike


 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com
 mailto:w...@csilogan.com wrote:

  Good Morning,

  I believe I know the answer to this already, however my managers wanted
  me to ask. Has anyone ever heard of an access point that has two
  different frequencies (ie. 2.4 and 5.8) and each of their antennas
  integrated all into a single unit? The thought process behind this being
  to save on tower space and load.

  This isn't referring to a full duplex configuration used for ptp links
  where one frequency transmits while the other frequency listens. This
  would be for PTMP between the tower and CPE units.

  Thanks,
  Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik on Multi-core

2014-01-24 Thread Sam Tetherow

Replaced an aging powerrouter 732 with a CCR-1036.  Set up as a 
transparent bridge for traffic shaping.  Passing 478M peak with 8200 
interface bridge filter rules and 8000 queue tree entries, cpu 
utilization peaks at about 50 and all 36 CPUs are in use according to 
/system resource cpu print


The 732 started giving us CPU limitations at about 240Mbps.  The whole 
thing could be reworked so we didn't have so many filter rules or queue 
tree entries, but the original installation replaced a MAC based 
bandwidth limiter and they wanted to keep that setup.


Other than some lockup issues we had on ROS versions before 6.7 we have 
been pretty happy with the box and for under $1k it is hard to beat.



On 01/24/2014 03:53 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
Hi everyone. Been awhile since Ive been here, so not sure if this is a 
redundant topic or not.
Anyone got experience with Mikrotik on their newer Multi-Core 
platform, using as a Core Router for interconnecting multiple Gig 
backbone connections (w/ BGP, OSPF, Queues, Firewalls, VLAN  tagging)?
To be more specific Comparing Mikrotik's 36 core 1.2Ghz models to 
say a third party Quad core 3Ghz model.
What do we need 36 cores for, when we got 11 eth ports? Are they even 
used by software? Is later Mikrotik Firmware allowing

- multiple processors to handle a singe NIC port?
- which Mikrotik software features are able to effectively spread 
accross to a unique processor or use multiple processors?

Is 1.2Ghz enough?
Do the embedded NICs in the 36core units pass full Gig capacity? (In 
past, we learned depending on which NIC and driver brand, a NIC could 
pass as low as only 30% of full capacity w/ large packets, where as 
a later generation PCIE w/ ATIO Intel could pass upward of 90% of full 
capacity w/ small packets.)
Im asking because back in the day, there were many Linux services 
relating to routing that were written to be only single processor support.
Because of this, it was important to have the highest speed Ghz 
processor possible, since some critical services (the bottleneck) 
would share only 1 primary processor, regardless of how many 
processors were in the router.
In past experience specific to Mikrotiktik, I often ran into issues 
with added features (firewall rules, Queues, etc) drastically draining 
the processing power of a MT router slowing throughput way below the 
theoretical published port throughput.

For example, can Queues or Firewalls spread multiple processors?
Can these 36core units handle bandwdith management (Limiting or 
Queues) for high speed subscribers, such as 100mb and 200 mbps customers?
In the GUI of v6.7, I dont see anything higher than 2mb or 10mb 
depending on location of parameter.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
301-515-7774
IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography


We are suppose to make a profit?

On 12/30/2013 09:51 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:
Granted that our model is way different then yours, we are a 
non-profit member owned, volunteer operated, coop, but we give 
everybody 2 up and 2 down (now that we have an AirFiber backhaul) and 
are still scrambling to keep up with the members usage (400 members 
covering 600 square miles).  And, they always want more.


Charging $30 a month.  Of course we only have one paid employee.  The 
folks here in NM are happy to get that as their only alternative is 
dial-up or satellite.  When CenturyLink finally moves into a 
neighborhood we actually encourage new inquires to go with them as we 
still have tons of folks with no options other then us.


It cost us about $30K every time we have to upgrade the backbone and 
back haul and APs, but luckily we have enough time between upgrades to 
bank the funds.


I don't know how you guys can make a profit.

Phil


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:


It's cut down in confusion. Oh yeah. 5 meg is x in town a but y in
town b.

And we don't do the upto game. So if you want 5 and can only get 3
we won't install you unless you'll take 3. We don't charge for
packages folks can't get.

Likewise this keeps our network happy since most links are pretty
clean.

On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:48, CBB - Jay Fuller
par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:



That is a good idea

Sent from my wy too expensive android mobile vzw 4gish
device.

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Subject: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
Date: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 9:34 PM


What we have done is offer the same packages across the board. If
you can't get at least the package you want we don't install you.

On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:11, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com
mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote:


We are getting to the point in a lot of our markets that we need
to offer different speed packages. Issue being some markets,
being 900 or slightly sub-par infrastructure, we wouldn't be
able to promote these packages across the board. Was curious if
others are offering packages to different areas that would not
be possible in some? And if so, do you get any backlash from
those who cannot get those packages? Is it appropriate to offer
extended packages to users on one tower when another tower down
the road wouldn't be capable of these packages? Its bad but we
just offer a residential rate, no matter if that customer can
get 1 meg down via Canopy 900 or close to 10 meg on a UBNT SM. I
have caught a little heat in an area where we fired up 900 about
4 years ago to a market that had only satellite. Then we hooked
up a tower in a small town 4 miles away with UBNT M2 and news
spread like wild fire. We went from 40 900 subs to about a
dozen, and a pile of radios I don't want to deploy again.  Shame
on me for not offering the extended packages at that time for
those wanting more bandwidth.
I also have the area outside my home town that Century Link
offers what they claim is 12 meg service, but it never gets
close. I am constantly adding more sectors in these areas, Im
getting to the point where I am adding UBNT to offload Canopy,
then adding more UBNT to offload the UBNT that was offloading
the Canopy, it gets to be a vicious circle. I am already $20 per
month more than CL, not sure if a lot of customers would stay if
I were to charge them more for what they are getting now. Once
again shame on me. The bosses think the prices should be the
same across the board, but technically performances cannot be
matched across the board, plus Im running ragged satisfying
existing customers when I should be looking at new areas, and
start the vicious circle all over again LOL.
thanks
heith
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Re: [WISPA] decoy tower


I would think a palm tree would look more out of place in SD than a tower :)

On 12/30/2013 05:18 PM, heith petersen wrote:
Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with 
decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have 
never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don't really 
need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

You can do all the routing magic with PPPoE (has it's own cost).  Or 
with dynamic routing (OSPF and BGP).


You can easily firewall the customers so they look just like a NATed IP 
(basically drop all !related !established traffic).


I give publics because I got tired of users complaining about strict NAT 
on their gaming consoles and issues with crappy VPNs.


Also go tired of managing 1-1 NATs for the ever growing list of 
customers with security cameras, remote light controls and other home 
automation/security products.  It still boggles my mind that I have 
customers that have home security systems and cameras installed, but 
they don't lock their doors.





On 12/31/2013 02:09 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
Why would you give customers a public IP?   That is nuts as far as I 
am concerned.   Private IPs are easier to manage across multiple 
towers, you can setup routing properly so that subnets are completely 
separate for each AP, you can pick and choose how and where to route 
edge traffic to multiple backbone providers, you can move between 
backbone providers without having to re-ip all customers, customers 
are not exposed to external virus traffic...


I mean I could go on and on about why carrier-NAT is awesome. I see no 
reason to mess with public IPs unless forced to.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 12/31/2013 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Your customers don't get a public IP?

I'll never understand why people do this.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


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*Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:09:48 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

This last year, we finished unification of all our rate plans so 
that we would have consistency across our network.   At this time 
last year, we had several plans that had overlap and different sets 
of services as part of the plans.  For example, a 2meg plan for 
$49.95/month that included dialup and a public IP address sold next 
to a $49.95/month 4meg plan that did not have the dialup or public 
IP.   Most of the customers did not use public IP addresses or 
dialup, and we were starting to get 2meg customers complaining about 
the 4meg plan on our website that was 2x the speed for the same 
price.   At the same time, we still had a lot of 384k and 640k plans 
with people who were complaining about YouTube not working, but they 
were reluctant to upgrade to the next package because our prices were 
not as competitive on the lower end with the 1.5meg dsl bundles.


What we ended up doing was this:

1)  Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds 
at the same prices
2)  Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg 
speeds for the same prices
3)  Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made 
them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new 
speed package with the public IP added to it
4)  Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package 
that was automatically added to each customer account, but customers 
were given the choice of opting out of the plan


After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive 
service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and 
other sites from low end customers, and our revenue went up - mostly 
because of the addition of the maintenance package.   Any plan 
inconsistencies between customers and areas were also resolved.


The toughest part of this plan was the pre-planning that was involved 
to make it happen.   We did a ton of customer data cleanup and plan 
adjustment over the summer, but that was work that needed to be done 
anyway because of a lot of random, nonstandard plan changes that 
employees had been doing as shortcuts.We also had to take a 
really strong look at oversub ratios on our access points and what 
the resulting oversub ratios would be with the plan changes, since 
the ratios would generally double.   In doing so, we identified a 
bunch of places where we needed to add capacity or just needed to 
move higher bandwidth customers to other access points.   There were 
a lot of radio swaps and service calls involved in that process, but 
the end result was better network performance and higher customer 
satisfaction.


We set a 4:1 bandwidth ratio as our preferred point of upgrade on 
access points - meaning we can sell 40meg of customers plans on an AP 
that has approximately 10meg of capacity (such as a 2.4ghz 802.11g on 
10mhz channel). When the process started, we had about 27 APs that 
would have been overloaded with the new plans.   As of today, we have 
eight APs that are over 4:1, and six of those are just barely over.   
When it comes to the speeds that we offer in any particular area, we 
decided to make all speeds available, as long as

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