Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Is there an advantage of this over a connection directly to Akamai? Seems like DNS is used to determine what server to use: dig @provider's_dns_server a1.d.akamai.net The bigger providers seem to resolve too an IP right on there network. Several others seem to just have a connection right to Akamai. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Between your border router and a properly configured squid server, you can replace entire domains using wccp. It's a pain to manage, but doable. Marco On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Is there an advantage of this over a connection directly to Akamai? Seems like DNS is used to determine what server to use: dig @provider's_dns_server a1.d.akamai.net The bigger providers seem to resolve too an IP right on there network. Several others seem to just have a connection right to Akamai. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
has anyone been able to get squid to ease the pain of netflix /hulu /youtube ??? if yes can you give some pointers? Thanks On 11/2/2010 11:05 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: Between your border router and a properly configured squid server, you can replace entire domains using wccp. It's a pain to manage, but doable. Marco On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Is there an advantage of this over a connection directly to Akamai? Seems like DNS is used to determine what server to use: dig @provider's_dns_server a1.d.akamai.net The bigger providers seem to resolve too an IP right on there network. Several others seem to just have a connection right to Akamai. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:09, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: has anyone been able to get squid to ease the pain of netflix /hulu /youtube ??? I've played with it in the past, but never could get much out of it. I think there are two reasons for this. First, in my network, the pain is actually last-mile (i.e. the extra load on the last hop to the customer), and short of putting some kind of psychic predictive cache in the customer's home, that can't be avoided. The second problem, and the one that's probably more important, is that even if the content were easily cache-able (it isn't), there wouldn't be much point to it, because the odds that any two subscribers are watching the same TV show, at the same time, with the same video settings, being streamed from the same Akamai server, or within a few hours of one another, is pretty slim. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. What would be nice is if you could just drop your own Squid box in on your network with a wide file size caching limits, open only to your IP pool, give Akamai your IP pools and the IP of the proxy and they just tell all devices on your network to proxy through it. No expense to them but everyone still saves bandwidth. Think about it, every high school and college could throw one in as well. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
In areas where I already have 20mb line of sight sectors, yeah, no problem. But lets face it, to handle video, ISPs are going to have to make network upgrades at every sector and CPE, sooner or later. Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix can continue to get rich? Even if I replace just the pre-existing customer CPE with a Ubiquiti, at $89/radio, that almost a year ROI to break even, IF I still charge the customer an additiaonl $9.95/month for their ability to use NetFlix and Hulu. Its sorta like fund raising. I got an idea... How about asking Hulu, NetFlix, and Google, to co-sign my Loan/Lease papers or better yet Lend me the money, to make the network upgrades that are necessary for my customers to use VIDEO adequately. I dont see them passing out Loan applications, nor do I see their CFO with a pen in hand. I am sick and tired of this attitude that consumers are entitled and content providers are entitled. They are not entitled to a free ride. I am not getting rich, and the facts are the majority of my customers need me. I provide something to them that they need. And video wasn't one of them initially. I never signed up for delivering Video. I CAN deliver video, but they have to pay for it, if they want it. Its not my responsibilty to pay for it. There is nothing worse than a moocher. Thats all these content providers do, looking for a free ride, mooch mooch mooch, while they sneak off to the bank with their large paycheck. Sure... I'm perfectly fine with the bandwdith management method of control. Bandwdith limit video web sites to 64kbps, and for $9.95 I'll bump it up to 1mbps. As a disclaimer... I dont currently block or limit anything. I mostly serve high capacity business, so I have not been hit much by the video bandwdith abuse yet, so I have been able to overlook the issue, and have not had to take any action. And as long as it is not a problem, I have no need to address it. But one day it will be a problem. And EVERYONE should ask, who should pay for it?. In some cases, maybe the ISP should pay for it. For example, If they are heathilly profitable, and have reach comfortable scale and finance abilty, and in a competitive environment, maybe it is then their responsibilty to stay competitive and upgrade at their own cost. But it can not be assumed that all ISPs are in that position nor that all consumers are in that position.. Whats important to me is that laws are not made that empower moochers to have the right to unlimited mooching, at the expense of honorable businessmen access providers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting. Redirect hulu.com to allowvideo.com for $9.95 Shopping Cart item. Alacart content? Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet Providers. As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart. 1. Enable Hulu $9.95 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95 (Note... would redirect to third party ISP partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached data :-) 5. Enable MYISP TV (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site, and so non-discriminary) Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, terms and conditions.. So. Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge my subs the same? The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell the content. The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are allowed to carry content and we
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:20, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix can continue to get rich? If you want to keep residential customers in a competitive market, yeah, you're gonna have to ease back on the profit-taking and build out your network. (I noted that you said you primarily serve business customers, so keep in mind that you is the generic ISP, not you personally.) I am sick and tired of this attitude that consumers are entitled and content providers are entitled. They are not entitled to a free ride. Nobody has a free ride in this, though. Netflix/Hulu/whoever is paying TV and movie companies for the right to redistribute content via the Internet, and is paying Akamai/Limelight/whoever for bandwidth to do the actual distribution. The end-user is paying Netflix for access to their collection of movies, and is paying you for Internet connectivity in order to receive bits from the Internet (in this case, bits from Netflix). Sure... I'm perfectly fine with the bandwdith management method of control. Bandwdith limit video web sites to 64kbps, and for $9.95 I'll bump it up to 1mbps. And I'd be fine with charging my customers one penny per bit (or buy a whole byte for only six cents!) but the customers probably wouldn't like that plan very much at all. If your users are okay with this, go right ahead. Whats important to me is that laws are not made that empower moochers to have the right to unlimited mooching, at the expense of honorable businessmen access providers. Who, in this scenario, is mooching? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Also, hosting their servers is not necessarilyl free. For example, the most logicial place to put it might be at one's NOC. That NOC might reside at a Colo. At $50 per U of space, that is a residual cost that you will pay. Obviously depends on your infrastructure. We own 19 sites out of the roughly 28 sites utilized in our network. The others we have long term lease agreements for entire rooms, not just racks. It costs us next to nothing to rack equipment. And how many Us are each of Akamai's 3 servers in the base configuration? Note with 100mb for $150/month in a colo, paying teh reoccuring rack fees would be more expensive than buying an extra 100mb of bandwidth, thus I'd argue even for the ISP there is a minimum usage capacity before it would be cost beneficial the the ISP as well, not just Akamai. Akamai won't even consider an ISP for the Accelerated Network Partner program until there is on average at least 75mbps of traffic flowing between ISP Akamai. At that point I'd say installing Akamai's CDN servers would be of great benefit to the ISP. It would cut down on that transit traffic free up external bandwidth for other applications. 100mbps isn't that cheap for some of us. In fact its about to cost me an additional $750/mo to add that to an existing connection. I'd surely take Akamai's servers over adding more transit any day. Also, the purpose of installing Akamai servers into ones network is to bring content *closer* to users. Buying bandwidth will increase your capacity to the rest of the world but doesn't do much to reduce latency (unless you're already at capacity). Decreased latency is something a customer *will* notice. Adding more bandwidth…not so much. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Do Akamai cache boxes actually cache Netflix video? I presume they cache things like PS3 updates and the like but I would not be so sure about streaming video. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:20, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix can continue to get rich? If you want to keep residential customers in a competitive market, yeah, you're gonna have to ease back on the profit-taking and build out your network. (I noted that you said you primarily serve business customers, so keep in mind that you is the generic ISP, not you personally.) I am sick and tired of this attitude that consumers are entitled and content providers are entitled. They are not entitled to a free ride. Nobody has a free ride in this, though. Netflix/Hulu/whoever is paying TV and movie companies for the right to redistribute content via the Internet, and is paying Akamai/Limelight/whoever for bandwidth to do the actual distribution. The end-user is paying Netflix for access to their collection of movies, and is paying you for Internet connectivity in order to receive bits from the Internet (in this case, bits from Netflix). Sure... I'm perfectly fine with the bandwdith management method of control. Bandwdith limit video web sites to 64kbps, and for $9.95 I'll bump it up to 1mbps. And I'd be fine with charging my customers one penny per bit (or buy a whole byte for only six cents!) but the customers probably wouldn't like that plan very much at all. If your users are okay with this, go right ahead. Whats important to me is that laws are not made that empower moochers to have the right to unlimited mooching, at the expense of honorable businessmen access providers. Who, in this scenario, is mooching? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
money by using our service and Content providers paying their share, now when we still have leverage to encourage them to pony up the cash to fund the upgrades. I know what happens when Docsis3 and FIOS come, and the WISP network is NOT yet upgraded. It means lost customers. I wish I could upgrade everything over night, but I cant, not without money. But the more I charge today, the bigger chance I have to earn more money to re-invest, so I'm in a stronger position to compete when Docsis3 and FIOS come. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:20, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix can continue to get rich? If you want to keep residential customers in a competitive market, yeah, you're gonna have to ease back on the profit-taking and build out your network. (I noted that you said you primarily serve business customers, so keep in mind that you is the generic ISP, not you personally.) I am sick and tired of this attitude that consumers are entitled and content providers are entitled. They are not entitled to a free ride. Nobody has a free ride in this, though. Netflix/Hulu/whoever is paying TV and movie companies for the right to redistribute content via the Internet, and is paying Akamai/Limelight/whoever for bandwidth to do the actual distribution. The end-user is paying Netflix for access to their collection of movies, and is paying you for Internet connectivity in order to receive bits from the Internet (in this case, bits from Netflix). Sure... I'm perfectly fine with the bandwdith management method of control. Bandwdith limit video web sites to 64kbps, and for $9.95 I'll bump it up to 1mbps. And I'd be fine with charging my customers one penny per bit (or buy a whole byte for only six cents!) but the customers probably wouldn't like that plan very much at all. If your users are okay with this, go right ahead. Whats important to me is that laws are not made that empower moochers to have the right to unlimited mooching, at the expense of honorable businessmen access providers. Who, in this scenario, is mooching? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelleygl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a Hotmail and CNN.com provider? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
I really don't know...we haven't tracked it. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelleygl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I really don't know...we haven't tracked it. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelleygl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Emailed them this morning, I figure we will get a similar response. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I really don't know...we haven't tracked it. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelleygl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I really don't know...we haven't tracked it. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelleygl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Its also relevent to mention that there are multiple Akamai Server configs. A basic server config only stores some of the Internet content in its cache. Much larger cache servers are needed, for more effective caching. What volume is needed to get equivlent cache performance as Comcast Verizon? Also, hosting their servers is not necessarilyl free. For example, the most logicial place to put it might be at one's NOC. That NOC might reside at a Colo. At $50 per U of space, that is a residual cost that you will pay. And how many Us are each of Akamai's 3 servers in the base configuration? Note with 100mb for $150/month in a colo, paying teh reoccuring rack fees would be more expensive than buying an extra 100mb of bandwidth, thus I'd argue even for the ISP there is a minimum usage capacity before it would be cost beneficial the the ISP as well, not just Akamai. What some ISPs are doing is working in cooperation to put in a single Akamai server, and then havingthe partner ISPs peer with the ISP that homes the Akamai server, and use their aggregate bandwidth to qualify. Where the caching is most beneficial would be caching data for server s located on the opposite coast. For example, bypassing 70ms latency required to get from East to West Coast. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I really don't know...we haven't tracked it. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelleygl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 My Latest Blog Posts: http://sparkah.com/2010/07/29/experienced-iphone-app-developer-los-angeles-how-to-tell-if-youre-going-to-get-burnt/ http://sparkah.com/2010/08/25/facebook-marketing-strategies-from-nyc-and-los-angeles-most-devious-minds-2/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept policy for those that pay. If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Robert Q Kim 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 My Latest Blog Posts: http://sparkah.com/2010/07/29/experienced-iphone-app-developer-los-angeles-how-to-tell-if-youre-going-to-get-burnt/ http://sparkah.com/2010/08/25/facebook-marketing-strategies-from-nyc-and-los-angeles-most-devious-minds-2/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:51, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? Your network, your rules. Legally, you can probably block whatever you want. Doing so without informing your users (customers, for ISPs) is ethically very iffy, but legally it's probably just fine. (Not a lawyer, et cetera) It's probably a very bad idea, but that's another discussion. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
At 8/31/2010 01:51 PM, Robert Kim wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Thankfully, there is no net neutrality rule preventing this. ISPs always block IP addresses. Spammers' address blocks, and ISPs who tolerate spammers, and ISPs who tolerate ISPs who tolerate spammers, are routinely blocked. As others might be. Shoot first, ask questions later -- this is the Mutually Assured Destruction rule that keeps the Internet from collapsing. And which the neuts have no klew about. This is one reason why ISPs are not common carriers. Providing information service (legal term in the US) means that you are not carrying stuff blindly, though you don't have full editorial control. So yes, a web-browsing and email only service is perfectly legal. Verizon Wireless sells just such a plan, in fact; it's basically mandatory with Blackberries. Full (but not quite neutral) Internet access, as used with Droids, costs more. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Emailed 2 of the customers that were doing this. The one called back real nice and apologized. Said their kid was letting the Netflix on the Nintendo WII run while they were outside riding their bike! They said they will stop it. 2nd customer never got back with me, their service has now been rate limited to 256k. I anticipate a phone call shortly. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a Hotmail and CNN.com provider? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
When I googled the issue some months back, I saw a post about blocking the IP for the netflix DRM server. That would resolve most the issues by preventing the DRM authentication, and as a result, the movie from streaming. But I couldn't get it didn't work reliably. Maybe time to revisit that approach. I don't want to block the netflix website of course, I just want people to get their movies via DVD the way they used to! And I only really want to block streaming on the segments of the network that simply can't support it. -Paul On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Emailed 2 of the customers that were doing this. The one called back real nice and apologized. Said their kid was letting the Netflix on the Nintendo WII run while they were outside riding their bike! They said they will stop it. 2nd customer never got back with me, their service has now been rate limited to 256k. I anticipate a phone call shortly. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a Hotmail and CNN.com provider? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting. Redirect hulu.com to allowvideo.com for $9.95 Shopping Cart item. Alacart content? Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet Providers. As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart. 1. Enable Hulu $9.95 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95 (Note... would redirect to third party ISP partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached data :-) 5. Enable MYISP TV (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site, and so non-discriminary) Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, terms and conditions.. So. Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge my subs the same? The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell the content. The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing to pay for content. If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept policy for those that pay. If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting. Redirect hulu.com to allowvideo.com for $9.95 Shopping Cart item. Alacart content? Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet Providers. As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart. 1. Enable Hulu $9.95 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95 (Note... would redirect to third party ISP partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached data :-) 5. Enable MYISP TV (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site, and so non-discriminary) Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, terms and conditions.. So. Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge my subs the same? The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell the content. The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing to pay for content. If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept policy for those that pay. If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Good idea. All my models fail. I simply can't charge enough to justify it. The lack of spectrum is the limiter. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 31, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting. Redirect hulu.com to allowvideo.com for $9.95 Shopping Cart item. Alacart content? Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet Providers. As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart. 1. Enable Hulu $9.95 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95 (Note... would redirect to third party ISP partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached data :-) 5. Enable MYISP TV (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site, and so non-discriminary) Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, terms and conditions.. So. Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge my subs the same? The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell the content. The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing to pay for content. If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept policy for those that pay. If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the cu stomers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting. Redirect hulu.com to allowvideo.com for $9.95 Shopping Cart item. Alacart content? Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet Providers. As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart. 1. Enable Hulu $9.95 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95 (Note... would redirect to third party ISP partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached data :-) 5. Enable MYISP TV (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site, and so non-discriminary) Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, terms and conditions.. So. Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge my subs the same? The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell the content. The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing to pay for content. If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept policy for those that pay. If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
My customers that run 1Mb down use it and have no trouble?Excessive bursting,then throttling will cause rebuffering after initial burst i have found. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:09 PM Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting. Redirect hulu.com to allowvideo.com for $9.95 Shopping Cart item. Alacart content? Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet Providers. As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart. 1. Enable Hulu $9.95 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95 (Note... would redirect to third party ISP partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached data :-) 5. Enable MYISP TV (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site, and so non-discriminary) Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, terms and conditions.. So. Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge my subs the same? The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell the content. The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing to pay for content. If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept policy for those that pay. If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
I meant to say this comment referred to hulu not netflix Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: My customers that run 1Mb down use it and have no trouble?Excessive bursting,then throttling will cause rebuffering after initial burst i have found. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:09 PM Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting. Redirect hulu.com to allowvideo.com for $9.95 Shopping Cart item. Alacart content? Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet Providers. As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart. 1. Enable Hulu $9.95 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95 (Note... would redirect to third party ISP partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached data :-) 5. Enable MYISP TV (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site, and so non-discriminary) Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, terms and conditions.. So. Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge my subs the same? The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell the content. The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing to pay for content. If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? I don't think there are any laws on it at this point. It's like ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept policy for those that pay. If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: WAIT... Is it even legal to block IP addresses??? If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias??? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no problems. We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done... -Paul On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99 I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3 to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip) and it would be a good triple. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM, j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed on hulu,its hungry! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Yeah, They got back to me today. Said over the last 30 days we have a 9Mb/s avg. And 75mb/s is required. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I really don't know...we haven't tracked it. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelleygl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do SD quality. This was all on a PC, Which only does SD where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM To: j284...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99 I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3 to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip) and it would be a good triple. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM, j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed on hulu,its hungry! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit pipe. That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues. Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad more, but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M gear, my net feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting fiber points out at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away from that loop fee and that kills it for now. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do SD quality. This was all on a PC, Which only does SD where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM *To*: j284...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99 I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3 to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip) and it would be a good triple. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM, j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed on hulu,its hungry! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Yeah, Loop fee's are the killer. On-net bandwidth is cheap bandwidth. I've seen cogent come down to $3 per megabit. And I've heard of Hurricane electric going as low as 75 cents per megabit. Just got to build out to them. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:51 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit pipe. That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues. Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad more, but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M gear, my net feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting fiber points out at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away from that loop fee and that kills it for now. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do SD quality. This was all on a PC, Which only does SD where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM To: j284...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99 I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3 to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip) and it would be a good triple. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM, j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed on hulu,its hungry! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
The prob;lem I ran into with building out to them is they want those loop fees for entering the fiber huts + a break in fee. I have someone who says he can get me into a place with out much if any fee, at $20/mbit. We will see. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Yeah, Loop fee's are the killer. On-net bandwidth is cheap bandwidth. I've seen cogent come down to $3 per megabit. And I've heard of Hurricane electric going as low as 75 cents per megabit. Just got to build out to them. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:51 PM *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit pipe. That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues. Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad more, but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M gear, my net feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting fiber points out at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away from that loop fee and that kills it for now. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do SD quality. This was all on a PC, Which only does SD where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- *From*: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM *To*: j284...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99 I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3 to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip) and it would be a good triple. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM, j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed on hulu,its hungry! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:07 -0400, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. Blocking netflix by IP will block a LOT more than just netflix because their content is not coming from just their servers. Hulu uses a Macromedia Flash port (TCP port 1935) for content delivery. These things can be easily determined with a very quick packet capture. FWIW, I posted a response to Tom DeReggi the other day with a few rules that would identify Netflix (sort of). Be careful with those rules, as they will match much more than just Netflix streams. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an unlimited service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com mailto:k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
You need it if you have your own IP space, for BGP. If you don't own your OWN public IPs, then you don't have one. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 -- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP¹s just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP¹s to block so my customers can¹t use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_system_(Internet) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_system_%28Internet%29 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 12:15 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Baird *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com mailto:k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#five - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 12:15 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Baird *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com mailto:k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Not necessarily. You can do BGP with provider assigned space as opposed to provider independent space. You need BGP to properly utilize multiple providers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 12:15 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: You need it if you have your own IP space, for BGP. If you don't own your OWN public IPs, then you don't have one. - Original Message - *From:* Kurt Fankhauser mailto:k...@wavelinc.com *To:* 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Baird *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com mailto:k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your most likely quite below that level. Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them. To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though 20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via a public peering point? Some CDN type networks waive or minimize those requirements if you connect via a public exchange. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your most likely quite below that level. Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them. To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though 20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 *From*: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net *Sent*: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400 *To: *'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Baird *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
No clue, Just going from what I vaguely recall someone saying... Like I said, I think I heard it here, Might have been on NANOG. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via a public peering point? Some CDN type networks waive or minimize those requirements if you connect via a public exchange. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your most likely quite below that level. Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them. To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though 20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also told me 75mbps was the magic number. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: No clue, Just going from what I vaguely recall someone saying... Like I said, I think I heard it here, Might have been on NANOG. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via a public peering point? Some CDN type networks waive or minimize those requirements if you connect via a public exchange. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your most likely quite below that level. Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them. To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though 20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also told me 75mbps was the magic number. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: No clue, Just going f... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
they will give it to you with much less than 75mbps best just to ask them :-) On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Jon Auer wrote: On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also told me 75mbps was the magic number. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: No clue, Just going f... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Well, more like 10. The inquiry cost nothing, they will look it up and tell you if they see enough traffic from your AS to justify it or not. Regards Michael Baird On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com mailto:bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also told me 75mbps was the magic number. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: No clue, Just going f... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
I've got 300+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also told me 75mbps was the magic number. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: No clue, Just going f... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
