fingers 'can you feel' has a vocal version on trax. but it's not the original
use of 'in the beginning there was jack'. i have it, but can't remember the
artists name or label.
it has an accapella, a vocal with the fingers track and two other tracks.
historically it's an interesting record but
RE:
Not necessarily my rebuttal, but an interesting one, from Jeremy Gilbert
and Ewan Pearson quoted without permission from Discographies - Dance
Music, Culture, and the Politics of Sound:
The only reason for staying underground is that in relation to dominant
structures of power, you are
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Hello I'm having trouble finding the forcefield website,
anyone got the url handy?
CC or private please... digester.
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not necessarily my rebuttal, but an interesting one, from Jeremy Gilbert and
Ewan Pearson quoted without permission from Discographies - Dance Music,
Culture, and the Politics of Sound:
The only reason for staying underground is that in
I think 'underground' doesn't mean that you can't sell records, or sign
with a label. What's exciting to me is the stuff that happens outside
the traditional manufacturing, distribution and publicity systems.
Is Watts Music 'underground?' or Sonic Groove? No. They're brick and mortar
businesses
the original acapella is a track called My House by
Rhythm Controll on Catch A Beat Records...hard to find
and way over sampled. nick.
--- Jim Grindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Believe it or not I don't have THE essential classic
chicago house trak
Jack's house..I am the creator in the
here you go:
http://www.forcefield.org/forcefield.html
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Van: John Braine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:05 AM
Aan: 313@hyperreal.org
Onderwerp: [313] Forcefield
Hello I'm having trouble
Anyway, it is the UK techno scene which has fallen off, not Detroit.
But we'll talk about that another time.
yawn
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Aaaah!!!
Maa!!!
This requires major action!!! Cornelius, what should we do?
John
As seen on the NME-site:
Top 40 Dance Singles for the week ending Sunday, August 14 2000.
Last Week This Week
In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British
top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground!
J.
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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:41 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
What's this about a mysterious video for Revenge. by Rolando with UR
cruising around Detroit in lowriders - or is someone playing with me?
At any rate, more than one person has mentioned this to me now.
Re: trance Jaguar, maybe it's time for phase two - the unleashing of the
digital wasps,
ok ok I cross-post... so sue me.
I know JFC is another alias for the Timewriter guy. And I assume he's
chosen this new alias so that he can explore other sound
structures/textures/whatnot separate from his Timewriter productions. But
could someone please describe JFC's sound to me? How is
1° SHINE
This Saturday it was Shine in Eindhoven, and with the weather we were having
that part was already more than OK. It was a bit difficult to find the
exact entrance point to the festival but that was the only thing you could
hold against the organization. Once you entered the site (which
Does anybody know if Forcefield is defunkt or not? I used to check the site
every month, but it hasn't been updated since april or something.
would be a shame.
k
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Van: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: donderdag 17 augustus 2000 8:36
Aan: 'John
updates are frequent but marsel is roaming the continent @ the moment, in search
of a suitable mateDirty old hoghe will be back though, no worries mate!
451
Small correction: Luke Solomon didn't show up. It was Detroit's LOCUTUS
behind the decks playing with James' records Yeah, Detroit in da houze!
I have very nice pictures of the event. Whoever wants to receive them (for
personal use) mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm scanning the best for Bassic
Wow. I've had something of a bumper week with the promos alright. Here's a
list of some very cool-looking items I've received recently which may be of
interest to 313ers (all are albums/CDs/compilations with release dates given
as stated):
Robert Hood: Nighttime World Vol 2 (M Plant) out Oct
Haye!
I'm unsubscribing the list from August 19t until around September 15.
Anybody with pending subjects with me that I haven't contacted yet, please
drop me a message at this address.
If you need to get in contact with me, please write me to this address,
altough I can't promisse immediate
One thing that was very special about this festival was the
fact that in
between DJ sets there were live gigs. So after Josh Wink
(DJ), Lady Aida,
Luke Solomon (spinning with a nice T-shirt : playing Detroit
and than an
arrow pointing down) or Surgeon (who surprised me with a
Marsel is on holiday for 3 weeks since last week...
He's going all over Europe apparently... He also takes
a little while to update the site... However,
http://www.reverbmag.com has had it's audio files
updated (kinda) so that's worth a listen if you're
bored
Nick(Dj Pacific:)
--- Koen_Mariën
Kent williams wrote:
I have a weakness for this kind of thing -- anyone have any other recommends
of hip-house tracks?
(confession time) I share the same weakness... Hey, I was just a kid
around that time, could I help it? :)
James already mentioned Fast E-double D-I-E, Git On Up is a
johno wrote:
Hu Jim, Sven Väth's new club? You mean Cocoon? Oh yeah, you have seen that
monster line-up of last weekend in Cologne? I was tempted, but it was a
7-hour drive so... I don't think it is a club, rather an event kinda
thing.
Can you get hold of a recording of this radio broadcast?
To be honest yes I kinda like it when they mash up their songs almost beyond
recognizition, what's the use of playing live, if you stick to the original
tracks. I must admit that I even liked the version of the art of stalking,
but I tought hey I wonder if anybody will recognize this version.
Otto wrote:
James already mentioned Fast E-double D-I-E, Git On Up is a classic,
no matter what anyone else says. So there. LOL! I bet the Tyree Cooper
mix on the flip is still spinnable, with that hypnotic organ loop and
just the Git On Up sample without the rap.
Other recommendations:
Doug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British
top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground!
As seen on the NME-site:
Top 40 Dance Singles for the week ending Sunday, August 14 2000.
Last Week This Week
As far as I knew the trance remix was on the Dance
Division label...
cya later,
Nick(Dj Pacific:)
--- Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In case someone missed my point: the f***ing
Jaguar ripoff is in the British
top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn
To be honest yes I kinda like it when they mash up their
songs almost beyond
recognizition, what's the use of playing live, if you stick
to the original
tracks. I must admit that I even liked the version of the
art of stalking,
but I tought hey I wonder if anybody will
The Discography quote is interesting (must read the book) but it kinda
reads like a cop-out. It's a standard angle imo.
Of course, underground has been appropriated as a marketing tool. Remember
those words 'alternative' and 'progressive'?
But just coz a language has been stolen doesn't mean
I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did
with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label
and artist and all of their products, encouraging
others to do so along the way... That's the way I see
it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay.
cya,
Nick (Dj Pacific:)
--- Simon Walley
I reckon the guys at UR should take them to court and demand compensation,
and for the rest can we close the subject, it has only been like 6 months
that we 've been discussing this.
JayCee
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From: Nick Walsh [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Simon Walley wrote:
Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance track that samples very
heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' stabs at the beginning).
God knows how many rave-records were there that sampled the infamous
chant from UR. That African-type tribal WAR-chant...
From: Jan Claeyssens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [313] OUTRAGE! When action
I reckon the guys at UR should take them to court and demand compensation,
and for the rest can we close the subject, it has only been like 6 months
that we 've been discussing this.
Its not just the monetary
Its not just the monetary value of the UR sample they illegally used, its
the fact that this is the second time the majors have tried to screw UR
over. There should never have been a first time. And not just because its UR
- this could be any label we enjoy talking about on this list.
what about
I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did
with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label
and artist and all of their products, encouraging
others to do so along the way... That's the way I see
it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay.
Just so you all know, Sony owns
I believe the saying goes:
save the world, kill yourself
listening to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on my _sony_ headphones,
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yup v.true... it would lose some of it's underground
status but ppl listen to this trance rip off and think
it's the actual jaguar tune...
I wouldn't actually mind the original going onto the
mainstream chart... The fact is that people need to
give respect where it is due. This is one of the
À (At) 15:44 + 17/08/0, Simon Walley écrivait (wrote) :
what about artists and labels we enjoy talking about on this list who have
used illegaly samples from other artists, sometimes artists signed on
majors ? :)
But thats okay :)
No, thats a good point. The difference is that (generally
Quoting Webster:
Main Entry: 1un·der·ground
Pronunciation: n-dr-'graund
Function: adverb
Date: 1571
1 : beneath the surface of the earth
2 : in or into hiding or secret operation
Main Entry: 2underground
Pronunciation: 'n-dr-
Function: noun
Date: 1594
1 : a subterranean space or channel
2 :
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], hans
kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] messed around with filters and
compression to make the sounds now known as:
Ok I'm sitting here finding myself absolutely aggravated by this friday
night in the city by the bay, and the fact that none of the techno
promnoters in this
they did take them to court didn't they? The thing is
Sony has an army of lawyers and the laws for the
entertainment industry is full of loopholes. Sony know
about all this stuff. They wouldn't have ripped the
tune off if they knew they couldn't get away with it.
Nick(Dj Pacific:)
--- Jan
Alright, let me try to clarify what I mean. Currently with the rise of
popularity in electronic music more and more artists are just situated on a
rising curve of how popular or known they are. If they are low on the curve
it doesn't nesacarily make them underoground. I've seen some artists who
What's particularly amazing about this
(now the second time UR seems to be
involved in sampling/covering issues with
a major label) is the majors managed to find
probably the techno producers most opposed
to such practicesthe irony here is enormous.
If nothing else, it should be consolation
What's particularly amazing about this
(now the second time UR seems to be
involved in sampling/covering issues with
a major label) is the majors managed to find
probably the techno producers most opposed
to such practices
I haven't heard the track in question, so I don't know
I heard the track a few times on dutch radio and all these guys did
is sampled one little stab from UR's 'Sonic Destroyer' and played a
completely different tune with it on top of a lame trance track.
Sounds like that come standard on every cheap dance gear and the
producers of this track did
I'd be more upset about Josh Wink ripping French Kiss than about some lame
trance
act snaking a couple of synth stabs.
todd
Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote:
I heard the track a few times on dutch radio and all these guys did
is sampled one little stab from UR's 'Sonic Destroyer' and played a
In a message dated 17/08/00 7:34:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ha! You had to bring the Dadaist into this.
You think your so artsy and intellectual don't you?
Exactly. And you're not?
Your not even going to give Juan Atkins credit?
I have too many times. Its a given now.
If all
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Todd Smith wrote:
I'd be more upset about Josh Wink ripping French Kiss than about some lame
trance
act snaking a couple of synth stabs.
todd
Yeah... But at least Wink had permission!
Not to mention, I kinda like it. *shrugg*
derek.
Sorry. I'm having quite a time trying to get my posts through.
Cori
I haven't been on the list before and I saw some of the posts on Sony's
ripoff, I was wondering if anyone ever got that feelin that the underground
is slowly being taken over by trendy people? Maybe I'm just paranoid or
something. Sorry I was a bit off the subject. I've just noticed more and
the scene is possibly far better than you can imagine.
No our women dont dress in black
and no
We dont listen to arabic kinda music.
We have nice house clubs here, and i think, in my opinion, we have the best
house techno dj's in europe.
dj U.F.U.K . dont forget the name =-)
We will have
This subject came up on the 313 list a few months back, I saved the message
that Terrence Parker posted with the answer to this seemingly omnipotent
question. So with all credit due to TP, here is his answer:
The ORIGINAL VERSION of the famous speech In the beginning there was Jack,
and Jack had
I'm getting in a wee bit late on this thread apparently, but as far as
hiphouse goes, anything that came out of Chicago back in the day would have
to qualify I think. Fast Eddie, Kool Rock Steady, older tracks by Ralphi
Rosario DJ Funk are just a few right off of the top of my head... alot of
You are all nazi's and I am hitler.
Next...
At 06:03 PM 8/17/00 GMT, you wrote:
Alright, let me try to clarify what I mean. Currently with the rise of
popularity in electronic music more and more artists are just situated on a
rising curve of how popular or
hell, Rage Against The Machine is on Sony.
That's my favorite bit of irony.
-d
Dan Sicko
http://www.reverbmag.com
http://www.techno-rebels.com
RE:
Yeah... But at least Wink had permission!
Bad argument considering there are tons of records released every week from
the dance/electronic camp that don't have permission. If this tune wasn't in
the top ten and wasn't making loads of greenbacks would anybody care? It's
all about money!
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