On 1/10/07, J.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ha! well maybe you and i would be after every release, but i don't think the
more obscure
ones would sell too well in general..but who knows...actually i dont even
agree...would love
to have them all, but starting with the hottest most essential ones
>thats a little better, but the original is 4 tracks. thats what annoys me.
yeah, well, whatrya gonna do...beggars cant be choosers...i would like that
better too of course..
>warehouse is one right off the top of my head. westbrook is another
>(maybe not EVERY one, but almost all of them). muzi
On 1/10/07, J.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the morning factory repress (actually it was an unreleased mix) was 1-sided,
but the hip
to be disillusioned one is 2 sides, 2 tracks
thats a little better, but the original is 4 tracks. thats what annoys me.
whole catalogs of what labels? i can't
>i havent seen that one around, im definitely down for getting that
>balance and prescription stuff, just not at the crazy second hand
>prices. theyre just not worth that to me! i do wish theyd do real
>straight up represses instead of the one sided one tune version, but
>ill take what i can get...
On 1/9/07, António Alves Felizardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Apparently, Chow Daddy = Recloose. Don't tell anyone ;)
thats way too bad. i didnt even have any idea that was him, yet i
bought it just from the ol' listening test! it seems almost impossible
for me to buy records by artists outside
there as well
Martijn
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Van: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: dinsdag 9 januari 2007 17:05
Aan: fab.; 313@hyperreal.org
CC: robin
Onderwerp: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
Villalobos really is a good DJ in my opinion, at least in the
Apparently, Chow Daddy = Recloose. Don't tell anyone ;)
The b-side track is an edit of my favourite Arthur Russel-related
record:
http://www.discogs.com/release/608689
Can't place the a-side though.
Antonio
On Jan 9, 2007, at 4:41 PM, J.T. wrote:
that larry heard/mr white record is s
goes for any 313ers who are interested, honest opinions would be
appreciated, would be good to what others opinions are compared to mine
A
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From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:46:19 -0500
Subject:
On 1/9/07, J.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
you crazy. those are both extremely good albums that deserve more than to just
be
lumped off as "electro"..they are soundtracks..real albums...urban tribe
especially brings
a lot of really unpredictable and amazing sounds, complex arrangements...i'm
No luck finding the d/l for this set, BUT for the record here's a
recent tracklist from part of a Villalobos set ... I think this more
less demonstrates my point.
00:00 Ricardo Villalobos - Heike (original mix)
01:30 Joey Beltram - Back Porch
05:20 Heckmann & Gecko - Out Of Mind
10:00 Dominik Eul
>> what about the latest arpanet and urban tribe things? already got?
>
>i wasnt feeling those so much. not that they were bad, but i guess i
>was looking for something different. im not always in an electro-ish
>mood
you crazy. those are both extremely good albums that deserve more than to ju
David Powers a écrit :
Well, I thought that this might be true, until I did a little
experiment. I went to beatport, and I listened, in order, to the 150
newest tracks, WITHOUT SKIPPING TRACKS, from the following genres:
deep house
techno
tech-house
techno
I did the same on junodownload recentl
i think i'm one of the few that isnt excited by marcus mixx...it's kinda
cool...too
percussive and not enough groove for me...
ive heard the first one in a bunch of mixes ive DLed and ive IDed it
each time to the point where i was just like "i guess this track is
for me". i didnt even listen to
that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic!
both sides are completely ridiculous. i ordered 2 copies to keep one
safe in case something were to happen to the copy ill be hammering out
in every set for the forseeable future. that record is simply
stunning. if i could go bac
/www.kiddyraver.com/music/what_happened.mp3
;)
- KiDDy.
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From: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Thomas D. Cox,Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: (313) What's happe
On 1/9/07, J.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
that larry heard/mr white record is soo good. instant classic!
both sides are completely ridiculous. i ordered 2 copies to keep one
safe in case something were to happen to the copy ill be hammering out
in every set for the forseeable future. that
I'll take a look at work ... I've got links there to some good stuff
by Villalobos and maybe others I believe.
But why don't you have a listen to the new mix I just posted? Except a
couple classics (work that mf, percolater), and a Femi Kuti track,
it's all technically in the "minimal" category,
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>Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
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>On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I'm just asking questions to figure out why I can't find any decent sh*t to
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ent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
yeah manbut that works in general
if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that
sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set.
the reason i respect villalobos for
What david said -- the beat is the armature upon which interesting
things are strung.
The mix Ronnie Pries posted is the perfect counterexample to boring techno.
http://www.leverkuhn.com/~rktic/rp-traktorized070104.mp3
Any dance genre gets boring when people just endlessly spin out the
same bea
fab.; 313@hyperreal.org
Cc: robin
Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
Villalobos really is a good DJ in my opinion, at least in the last 18
months for sure. And he does not be any means spin all minimal
sounding stuff in his sets. He's got a lot of tribal house type vibe
go
ge -
From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
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>> (on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a
>> while are fast becoming like t
Nothing wrong with hating - if you hate something you should say so
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From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 January 2007 15:39
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) What's h
yeah manbut that works in general
if you're a crap dj, you're a crap dj - and for me a crap dj is one that
sticks to 1 whole genre for the whole set.
the reason i respect villalobos for ex. (OMG!!!111oneoneone) is that he
spins all sorts of stuff - mnml, house, acid, 313; same with
I don't hate minimal at all. I hate sameness and laziness in any perceived
genre.
I lve broken beats but I don't want to hear Seiji's samba beat all
night either. When bruk goes that way I'll start asking the same
questions.
That's one of the reasons I bit hard on the broken beat hook
that's why i got bored with electro and stopped listening to it.and i
was a real freak for it
it all started sounding so formulaic, just like 80% of today's "minimal"
music.
and i agree with whoever said that it's minimal anymore.there is so much
going on in these tracks that it should
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Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
(on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a
while are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out)
Actually yeah I agr
On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm just asking questions to figure out why I can't find any decent sh*t to
buy in the techno section of Juno's new releases.
yeah i just did a "catching up" set of overseas ordering. i listened
to 10 tons of stuff. i ended up ordering th
Spot on observation. Not what I was hinting toward at all but very
perceptive all the same.
MEK
robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/09/2007 09:21:06 AM:
> > Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno
> > again, remember that???
>
> You could argue that the people who peddled t
"David Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/09/2007 09:18:50 AM:
> Guess what - in my opinion minimal came up better, compared to some of
> the god awful stuff in the other genres. There were without a doubt
> plenty of similar sounding clickity clackity throw away tracks, but
> certainly
(on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a
while are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played out)
Actually yeah I agree. Hating for hating's sake is never good but...
I think the observation that a single mini-genre being played all night
long is d
One of the reasons I sort of exploded over this topic was a combination of
hearing a bunch of tracks that had "clever" glitchy edits over basically
the same boring "boom tsk" and seeing, on a message board, people fawning
over Jeff Milligan and this video of him
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9I8VXg
funny you should mention milligan,
i heard some unreleased "techno" (ie. non minimal, 313-ish) stuff him that
was amazing.the guy has serious skills...
(on a side note, these minimal-hating threads that crop up once in a while
are fast becoming like the hawtin-hating threads.played ou
On 1/9/07, David Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But really, this looks more and more like the old curmudgeon argument
about hating that damn racket the kids listen too... I agree that many
DJ's have a boring approach, but wasn't that always true about
"average" DJ's?
i dont know, i feel lik
"Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/08/2007 08:48:09
PM:
>
> i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next man, but to
> me theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and rhythms.a
> minimal acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY sounds good
>
Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno
again, remember that???
You could argue that the people who peddled this stuff are the same
people peddling 'minimal' (Richie, Beyer etc)
The dullness has remained but the tempo has dropped.
robin...
Hey, I get pretty bored when people play house all night, and I'm
sure at least one of the previous contributors to this thread would
love that.
On Jan 9, 2007, at 10:18, David Powers wrote:
Would you care for 8 hours of 2 beat loopy hard techno
again, remember that???
--
matt kane's brai
Well, I thought that this might be true, until I did a little
experiment. I went to beatport, and I listened, in order, to the 150
newest tracks, WITHOUT SKIPPING TRACKS, from the following genres:
deep house
techno
tech-house
techno
Guess what - in my opinion minimal came up better, compared to
This happened with trance. It was once a small sub-genre of techno and
more or less ok as such. When you start having nights playing nothing
but (trance, minimal etc etc) that's when it gets dull.
Take Looped Bangers. That particular sub-genre of techno more or less
killed a lot of peoples i
hester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:03 AM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
>
> Exactly. This is what's missing with so many (in fact, most)
> DJs these days. Few people mix up their styles, they just
jority of "minimal"
releases.
MEK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:48 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
>
> On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTE
Exactly. This is what's missing with so many (in fact, most) DJs these
days. Few people mix up their styles, they just stick to one particular
sub-sub-genre for their whole set. Often for the entire night in some
clubs.
No matter how wicked the tracks are, any sound becomes dull if it
doesn't
07 6:48 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> With the emphasis on that kick and hihat it's difficult for my ear to
> not focus on that. I know with minimal stuff there's tons of
On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
With the emphasis on that kick and hihat it's difficult for my ear to not
focus on that. I know with minimal stuff there's tons of other things
going on but eventually, if things don't change up, that "boom tsk" starts
to get magnified unt
Sorry, it was a knee-jerk reaction to hearing this pattern over and over
again while browsing Juno's techno "new releases".
You are correct about it being a cliché. I've heard plenty of minimal
mixes that don't deviate from this pattern from start to finish. With this
being the standard beat
Okay I'm not understanding your line of reasoning here. Your question,
to me, is almost tautological...
This kick/hh pattern is prevelant:
a) because that's the most stripped down house/techno beat besides
just a kick that one can have and
b) because genres are defined by their cliches, and this
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