Re: [AFMUG] OT. Morning hike

2016-10-10 Thread Paul Stewart
The largest concentration of petroglyphs in Canada are about 30 min north of where I live…. we went visiting there and hiking last summer - was actually pretty neat to see … They built an indoor complex over top of them to help preserve the site … > On Oct 9, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Ha.. On Oct 9, 2016 10:52 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I saw that same mountain in a movie back in about 1977... a guy built a > replica out of mashed potatoes. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2016 10:16 PM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike > > > Ala

Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike

2016-10-10 Thread Lewis Bergman
It has been forever since I have sen a Horny Toad. Damn I miss those things. Used to play wth them all the time as a kid. I still refuse to kill red ant beds in hopes one will decide that is a good place to lunch. On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:31 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Ha.. > > On Oct 9, 2016 10:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Wrong state first of all On Oct 9, 2016 10:19 PM, "Robert" wrote: > That's where they should have built the Alamo.. Would have been a > completely different result! Heck, they could have dropped rocks on the > Mexicans if they ran out of bullets! > > On 10/9/16 9:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
When we worked in Borger, Texas earlier this year, they had meeting about not disturbing or killing them at construction sites... They were on endangered list... On Oct 10, 2016 6:51 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > It has been forever since I have sen a Horny Toad. Damn I miss those > things. Used

[AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Couple of weeks ago I asked for some ideas to combat a bunch of Calix customers not getting DHCP leases. It is related to NTP. Some of the E7 shelves had goofy dates like 2036 or 1996. We took them off of NTP and manually coded the time. That calmed things down. We also set the lease limit

Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Ants or Toads? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:26 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike When we worked in Borger, Texas earlier this year, they had meeting about not disturbing or killing them at construction sites... They were on endangered list... O

Re: [AFMUG] IOS SSH Client

2016-10-10 Thread Graham McIntire
Prompt - http://panic.com/prompt/ On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Darren Shea wrote: > Thirded – very useful app! > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joshua Stump > *Sent:* Thursday, October 06, 2016 2:46 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IOS SSH Clien

[AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.” Abraham Lincoln, first inaugural ad

Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Toads On Oct 10, 2016 8:32 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Ants or Toads? > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 8:26 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike > > > When we worked in Borger, Texas earlier this year, they had meeting about > not disturbing

Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

2016-10-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/10/16 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I am guessing that Xmission was giving us a malformed or otherwise unpalatable NTP time hack. Calix reacted by setting the RTC to goofy time. I have never dug into the internals of NTP. I guess the next step would be to wireshark that and figure out wha

Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeah, we will be adding a local source. Thanks for the advice for the number of sources. We will do that too. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures On 10/10/16 7:32 AM, Chuc

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
At first I thought the earlier post about horny toads vs red ants was referring to politics. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Politics “We are not enemies, but friends. We must no

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Decorum, decency, character Where did they go?I agree, we are in bad place with the choices we have... But spooky part is how we got here You Republican guys had an army of candidates... All better choices than Fuckwad Trump, even Prick Perry or Cruz, yuk But no... And the loyalty n

Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Nice clock source. Thanks. I think I am going to buy the larger one. It has an onboard OCXO for holdover timing. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures On 10/10/16 7:32 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I dunno, I’ll bet you have Spanish blood in you From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics Decorum, decency, character Where did they go?I agree, we are in bad place with the choices we have... But spooky part is how

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yep... In a way... My European ancestors came from Basque area actually... On Oct 10, 2016 9:22 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I dunno, I’ll bet you have Spanish blood in you > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 9:08 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pol

Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

2016-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
If you have Cisco core routers in your network, I have found them to be good NTP servers. Set them up with however many masters you want, there are nice ACL commands to limit clients and prevent amplification attacks. Should probably specify them by loopback address to insure they are reachabl

Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
What do they use for a timebase? -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures If you have Cisco core routers in your network, I have found them to be good NTP servers. Set them up with

Re: [AFMUG] Nanostation LED cover and weather

2016-10-10 Thread Mathew Howard
I've seen the same thing on some Rockets, but it doesn't seem terribly common... I suspect they might all do it eventually, with enough exposure to the elements, but we've had hundreds of them out there for 5+ years that are still fine. I've been putting that clear Gorilla tape over the LEDs on al

Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
Wrong state, and wrong mountain. I'm amazed that you remembered the year. The movie was "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", the state was Wyoming, and the mountain was The Devil's Tower. Image result for close encounters of the third kind devils tower bp On 10/9/2016 9:52 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

2016-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
I think it's just the CPU crystal, these are not Stratum clocks, or maybe they are Stratum 4 or something. If you are looking for something to maintain accurate timing if ALL the masters become unreachable, this is not the solution for you, then you need something like a couple posts back in th

Re: [AFMUG] Nanostation LED cover and weather

2016-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
OK, Gorilla tape it is. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:56 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanostation LED cover and weather I've seen the same thing on some Rockets, but it doesn't seem terribly common... I suspect they m

Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Had a big lecture at a college I was attending by Dr J Allen Hynik. He was the science advisor to the film. I came to the lecture in an “altered state of consciousness” and part way through had to excuse myself due to “dizziness and nausea”... (The real story is much worse and something tha

Re: [AFMUG] Nanostation LED cover and weather

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
I've been seeing and hearing about this issue with several UBNT radios; locos, nanostations, rockets. I suspect that there is some production issue with too little of something, or too much of something else. None-the-less, I think it would be wise to put some sort of protective cover over tho

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Lewis Bergman
Still Spanish, of course, don't tell the Basque that. They are still seeking to beak away. At least the part in Spanish territory. On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:25 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Yep... In a way... My European ancestors came from Basque area actually... > > On Oct 10, 2016 9:22 AM, "Chuc

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
yep...guess thats why i was rowdy in my youth Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > Still Spanish, of course, don't tell the Basque that. They are still > seeking to beak away. At least the part in Spanish territory. > > O

Re: [AFMUG] OT Morning Hike

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
To add to the nausea: Image result for close encounters of the third kind devils tower mashed potato mountain Image result for close encounters of the third kind devils tower mashed potato mountain bp On 10/10/2016 9:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Had a big lecture at a college I was

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
In relation to Johnson, I really feel that he is being treated unfairly in many ways. He has not been afforded the courtesy of national security briefings like Trump and Clinton, even after requesting them, so he doesn't have access to the same information they do. This puts him at a disadvantag

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
As much as I hate to point it out, "you republicans" (of which i am one) voted him in. it wasn't some conspiracy and i for one hope his business sense will do wonders for the country. i don't much care about the rest of it - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza To: Anima

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Rory Conaway
I’m fine with him. One area he immediately took front and center on was the tax code section. I want to see that business experience put to use running the country and negotiating with other countries. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Monday, Oct

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
If the idea is to get a successful businessman, Romney should have been elected, no one questions he was a capable and successful businessman and did a good job running the Olympics. Bloomberg is a successful businessman. Buffett is a successful businessman. Trump is good at getting rich on f

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
>>> I’m fine with him. Yep, pretty obvious. >>> One area he immediately took front and center on was the tax code section. Which part ? how he took advantage of it ? or what is proposing to change ? http://taxfoundation.org/comparing-2016-presidential-tax-reform-proposals All independent fact

[AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Wireless Administrator
MUCH HAS CHANGED ABOUT POLITICS OVER THE YEARS. "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." AND THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF A DOEMCRAT ! AND NOW WE HAVE A NATIONAL DEBT OF: $19,493,291,113,808 It's hard for me to beli

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Too bad Colin Powell never chose to run. Powell/Romney would have been a great ticket. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics If the idea is to get a successful businessman, Romney should have been elected, no one question

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
That would be a good debate. Kim Jong-un vs Trump From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>> I’m fine with him. Yep, pretty obvious. >>> One area he immediately took front and center on was the tax code section. Which pa

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
+1 Most of his "proposals" are "secret" and/or flowered with bravado. Pretty much nothing of substance. We've only seen the tip of the iceberg with respect to this carnival barker. If the people working for Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, et all had been doing their jobs a year ago, we w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
Dennis Rodman would win that debate. bp On 10/10/2016 10:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: That would be a good debate. Kim Jong-un vs Trump *From:* Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 11:00 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>> I’m fine with him. Yep, pretty obviou

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
If they ever have a problem where the growth of the economy cannot do enough debt service, they can print money and pay down the debt. Bad choice and hurts everyone, but all nation states that are creating fiat money have that option. Bankruptcy is not a possibility as there will never be a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I prefer candidates that can utter full sentences. Not meandering phrases that many times are not cogent. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics +1 Most of his "proposals" are "secret" and/or flowered with bravado. Pretty

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Sorry..but I don't see the blind trust for his business acumen...another of his casinos closed this morning...lots of folks will be without jobs,,,no slant here...I know he sold it to Icahn..but he started with loans based on junk bonds and all. he has stiffed several contractors and many lawsuit

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Certainly no boy scout. We have all known men that talk like that at times. And when we were teenagers we spoke like that at times. But in my experience, most captains of business and industry that I personally know or have known have never talked like that unless it was a private dinner

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Now you sound like my Trump loving buddystate facts.not shit you hear from Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh and bunch.. Bill Clinton (An unfaithful husbandI don't mince words) balanced the budget and we had a surplusa Democrat..but he didn't do it BFM...(By Fucking Magic for you hard of h

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
opps...Paul Ryan just said he won't campaign for Chumpque gacho Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Now you sound like my Trump loving buddystate facts.not shit you > hear from Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh and

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Josh Reynolds
Trump said on Howard Stern many years ago that he cheated when he realized the marriage wasn't working. Just throwing that out there... On Oct 10, 2016 12:37 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Now you sound like my Trump loving buddystate facts.not shit you > hear from Hannity, OReilly, Limba

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Bill Clinton just happened to coincide with the tech boom and the advent of the commercial internet. That is what produced the surplus, he just lucked out. His decisions to deregulate mortgage banking is what brought us all back down in 2008. I have told former business partners (upon learn

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Worst thing I ever heard a guy say about his daughter: “She is so ugly, I will probably have to pay someone to marry her.” (sad true story) From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Bill Clinton just happened to coincide with

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Gino Villarini
Trump is no businessman... On Monday, October 10, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > Certainly no boy scout. > > We have all known men that talk like that at times. And when we were > teenagers we spoke like that at times. > > But in my experience, most captains of business and industry that I > perso

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Josh Reynolds
He did tell Stern that he could call his daughter a "piece of ass" too :P On Oct 10, 2016 12:47 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Worst thing I ever heard a guy say about his daughter: > “She is so ugly, I will probably have to pay someone to marry her.” > (sad true story) > > *From:* Chuck McCown > *

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
In case some of you are unaware of the leading theory how Trump could have claimed a $900 million tax loss in one year, here’s an explanation (more complex than most people will follow, but lots of people here are familiar with S Corporations): http://www.businessinsider.com/why-did-trump-pay-s

Re: [AFMUG] Boots for climbing

2016-10-10 Thread Peter Kranz
Like many of you I typically have sworn by the steel shank/steel toe work boots for tower work... But as of the last couple years I have really started to move toward the ultra-light approach. I find myself a lot less exhausted after a day on the work site when I’ve removed loads of weight from

Re: [AFMUG] OT - why do this to a Tesla Model S? Why????????

2016-10-10 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Dead people need electric cars too! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 1:18 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - why do this to a Tesla Model S? Why I like it... On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gm

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Robert Andrews
Coming from NV, I am reminded of how Harry Reid kept getting re-elected. He made damn sure that his machine kept the Republican machine from getting a decent opponent. There were many means to this end and none of them were up front. But the people in NV got to see some real characters on

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
It was always hard for the good Mormons in Utah to consider Sen. Reid one of our own... -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 1:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics Coming from NV, I am reminded of how Harry Reid kept getting re-elec

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Interesting... Utah's Republican Rep was one of first to call for Dipshit to drop from race this weekend.. On Oct 10, 2016 1:25 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > It was always hard for the good Mormons in Utah to consider Sen. Reid one > of our own... > > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrew

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Robert Andrews
Once again, Chuck, you nailed it... BC was just lucky to be sitting on a mountain of money and it made him look like a god.. Then he signed the dumbest piece of legislature to come along in 50 years against advice on the last few days of his presidency.. Not inspiring in any way... But w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
Good argument, but my observation is that the republicans are doing it to themselves. They are deeply split on ideological lines, and until (or if) they decide to split along those lines, and make a viable third party, the twain shall never meet. The real issue is that our 2-party system has m

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
Don't forget it was a republican congress that wrote and passed the legislation. I'm not taking him off the hook, just pointing out that it takes two to tango. bp On 10/10/2016 12:35 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Once again, Chuck, you nailed it... BC was just lucky to be sitting on a mount

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Well, at least you have Prop 64, so something to look forward to there... -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Don't forget it was a republican congress that wrote and passed the legislation. I'

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Robert Andrews
Yep and that was the start of the Clinton Foundation... On 10/10/2016 12:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Don't forget it was a republican congress that wrote and passed the legislation. I'm not taking him off the hook, just pointing out that it takes two to tango. bp On 10/10/2016 12:35 PM, Rober

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
LOL! I actually haven't decided how I might vote on that one. There are good arguments both ways. bp On 10/10/2016 12:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Well, at least you have Prop 64, so something to look forward to there... -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, October 10, 2

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
The Clinton Foundation has actually done some good in the world; as opposed to the other guy's. His "Foundation" has served no one other than himself or his "companies". bp On 10/10/2016 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Yep and that was the start of the Clinton Foundation... On 10/10/2016 1

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Robert Andrews
The jist of what I said earlier is that Trump is there to make others look good _BY Comparison_... When looked at on absolute scales other things may be observed... On 10/10/2016 12:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote: The Clinton Foundation has actually done some good in the world; as opposed to the o

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Lewis Bergman
The trouble with facts is the government is in charge of keeping them so it is very difficult to get a real picture of what has or is going on. What is a surplus? well, most administrations that I remember state that they have a surplus when the money they spent was less than they were going to spe

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Amen. (I was actually hoping the ACA would bring insurance to low income folks. Didn’t happen. I personally know a handful that tried and could not get something they could afford. Even the low cost packages had deductable like $1500. Stay poor and stay on Medicaid was my advice to them...)

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
I still think that it would be better with a single payer system like what's in use in most other countries in the world. Problem is we would have to figure out how to do that without letting the government administer it. bp On 10/10/2016 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Amen. (I was actually

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
The mechanism is already there. Medicare/Medicaid I would probably opt in. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 2:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics I still think that it would be better with a single payer system like what's in use in most other countries

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Lewis Bergman
I struggle to recall much of anything that thrives, innovates, and is efficient without competition. On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:44 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I still think that it would be better with a single payer system like > what's in use in most other countries in the world. > > Problem is we

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Some things should not see competition. Municipal water and sewer systems for example. Streets, roads and highways. One can make a pretty good argument for the power company. Gas company. Less so for Telco and CATV. So what is healthcare? Similar to national defense? We already have 5-

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/10/16 13:43, Bill Prince wrote: I still think that it would be better with a single payer system like what's in use in most other countries in the world. Problem is we would have to figure out how to do that without letting the government administer it. IMO that's less of a problem than

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Just curious, do you know what her tax rates are like? It seems like the money has to come from somewhere for National Health Care, so I'm curious if it's part of their income tax structure, or somewhere else? Travis On 10/10/2016 3:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Some things should not see

[AFMUG] OT Domain Names

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I am going to scoop up a few domain names and point them to my site. Things like surgeprotectors.com are gone. Someone is camping on them. So, looking at variations like surge-protection Adding a plural. Not sure what non alphanumeric typographical characters are allowed other than the hyphen

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
I dunno, I’ll ask. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Hi, Just curious, do you know what her tax rates are like? It seems like the money has to come from somewhere for National Health Care, so I'm curious if it's pa

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
I don’t know specifically about the UK, but most of Europe has a high VAT which is a very regressive tax. But that is offset by many government funded social services, free college tuition, stuff like that. Politicians here in the US tend to ignore that you can’t have one without the other.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/10/16 14:39, Ken Hohhof wrote: I don’t know specifically about the UK, but most of Europe has a high VAT which is a very regressive tax. But that is offset by many government funded social services, free college tuition, stuff like that. VAT in the UK is 20%. https://www.gov.uk/tax-on

Re: [AFMUG] OT Domain Names

2016-10-10 Thread Bruce Robertson
There are no longer any meaningful restrictions. I kinda like to observe the .org for non-profits one, but feel free to go for that one anyway, and all the others a certainly fair game. Go for it! And you should probably stick to just hyphen. On 10/10/16 5:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I am goi

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Hey I think Canada might invades us... Rump insulted their health care system On Oct 10, 2016 3:28 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I dunno, I’ll ask. > > *From:* Travis Johnson > *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 3:27 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics > > Hi, > > Just

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
If they do not include tort reform in the equation, it is never going to change. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics I don’t know specifically about the UK, but most of Europe has a high VAT which is a very regressive t

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Canada is building a wall very quietly... out of American Cheese. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Hey I think Canada might invades us... Rump insulted their health care system On Oct 10, 2016 3:28 PM, "C

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Rory Conaway
You mean the 5.7% that they actually gave to charities. You must be forgetting the millions they stole from Haiti. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 12:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - P

Re: [AFMUG] OT Domain Names

2016-10-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/10/16 14:27, Chuck McCown wrote: I am going to scoop up a few domain names and point them to my site. Things like surgeprotectors.com are gone. Someone is camping on them. So, looking at variations like surge-protection Adding a plural. Not sure what non alphanumeric typographical charac

Re: [AFMUG] OT Domain Names

2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Man, Godaddy wants a pile of money for surge.protection Considering Surge-Protection.org -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Domain Names On 10/10/16 14:27, Chuck McCown wrote: I am going to scoop up a

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
Mm, American Cheese. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Canada is building a wall very quietly... out of American Cheese. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
That they are pulling from orange-face's butt. bp On 10/10/2016 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Canada is building a wall very quietly... out of American Cheese. *From:* Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 3:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Hey I think

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2016-10-10 Thread Chuck McCown
It is what they do with all the American Cheese they catch attempting to enter the country. It is confiscated and sent to the wall project. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Mm, American Cheese. From: Af [mail

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2016-10-10 Thread Robert Andrews
I got in an accident in England and was amazed at what happened without Tort law... NOTHING... people exchanged insurance numbers and drove off.. the person who said they had a little pain said "I'll go by the doc in the am".. That was it. I had to wait for a Lorry to take my car away as

Re: [AFMUG] OT Domain Names

2016-10-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/10/16 15:01, Chuck McCown wrote: Man, Godaddy wants a pile of money for surge.protection Considering Surge-Protection.org What in the unholy f*ck that's expensive. $4k a year for a domain. I didn't look at the price.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Robert Andrews
The 5.7% ( one MILLION dollars ).. That they gave to their OWN charity... Forget Haiti, never gonna prove anything there... Look at what the UN gave Haiti... On 10/10/2016 02:54 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: You mean the 5.7% that they actually gave to charities. You must be forgetting the mil

Re: [AFMUG] OT Domain Names

2016-10-10 Thread Robert Andrews
tanstaafl On 10/10/2016 03:13 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 10/10/16 15:01, Chuck McCown wrote: Man, Godaddy wants a pile of money for surge.protection Considering Surge-Protection.org What in the unholy f*ck that's expensive. $4k a year for a domain. I didn't look at the price.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
LOVE my cheese cubes... - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Mm, American Cheese. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, Octob

Re: [AFMUG] Boots for climbing

2016-10-10 Thread Josh Reynolds
Not OSHA approved, so there could be some liability there if there was an accident to feet/ankles/lower leg. On Oct 10, 2016 1:47 PM, "Peter Kranz" wrote: > Like many of you I typically have sworn by the steel shank/steel toe work > boots for tower work... But as of the last couple years I have

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jason McKemie
As much as we love cheese here, how did we get the crappiest pseudo-cheese named after us? On Monday, October 10, 2016, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Mm, American Cheese. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Chuck > McCown > *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 4:52 PM > *To:

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
How can you not like American Cheese? What do you use to make grilled cheese sandwiches? What do you put on cheezburgers? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics As

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Josh Luthman
Cheddar Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 10, 2016 3:38 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > How can you not like American Cheese? What do you use to make grilled > cheese sandwiches? What do you put on cheezburgers? > > > > > > > > *Fr

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Prince
Blue Cheese... or sometimes Bleu Cheese. bp On 10/10/2016 3:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: How can you not like American Cheese? What do you use to make grilled cheese sandwiches? What do you put on cheezburgers? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie *Sent:* Mon

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
amen - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Cheddar Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 10, 201

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
Damn. All this cheese talk made me crave a quesadilla and Tecate... Or pan blanco cut in half, (bollilio, Francesito), slice of cheese, slice of avocado, dab of Mayo On Oct 10, 2016 4:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" wrote: amen - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman *To:* af@afm

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Sam Kirsch
"If they do not include tort reform in the equation, it is never going to change. " This is where meaningful healthcare reform would need to start. This may be a niche example, but when it comes to medical insurance premiums Obstetrics pretty much rules the roost: My father was a OB/GYN and

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

2016-10-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
And voice cried out from the distance... Tear the system down, tear it down, down to the ground.. .. As the city sleeps... On Oct 10, 2016 5:02 PM, "Sam Kirsch" wrote: > "If they do not include tort reform in the equation, it is never going to > change. " > > This is where meaningful healthcare

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2016-10-10 Thread Josh Reynolds
Thanks Sam, that was an eye opening writeup. Your father sounds like he was a great doctor. I wish more were allowed to be like him. On Oct 10, 2016 6:02 PM, "Sam Kirsch" wrote: > "If they do not include tort reform in the equation, it is never going to > change. " > > This is where meaningful

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