Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

New studies suggest that eating less is the key for longer life https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunger-gains-a-new-idea-of-why-eating-less-increases-life-span/ From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Search Warranty too broad?

First sorry to bring up a month-old topic. I'm (way) behind on this forum. It's been our understanding that CALEA has no historical logging requirement - that an ISP isn't required to do anything (short of having the means to do something, and to have it documented) until a subpoena is issued.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I don't know many many people in their 80's or 90's that are very overweight. Gino Villarini wrote: New studies suggest that eating less is the key for longer life https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunger-gains-a-new-idea-of-why-eating-less-increases-life-span/ From: Af mailto:af-bo

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Weekend's over, how about a sprinkling of on-topic posts so I can stop just doing mass deletes? If you want people to keep combing through the used straw, there has to occasionally be a pony in there. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley Sent

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Ill very much so would like to se TRILL and/or SPB implemente in major vendor Switches… But it appears as it will never happen Not enough traction From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailt

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

It looks like EVPN\VXLAN should be the new targets. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 8:44:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

For DataCenter. Doesn't help SP On Jan 23, 2017 10:25 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > It looks like EVPN\VXLAN should be the new targets. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list. Shouted down at times. Insulted. But never knocked off. Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve. I can switch to either side of an argument at will for fun. With the exception of being a Clinton supporter. Just cannot mak

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I think he was referring to another type of "knocked off" On Jan 23, 2017 11:14 AM, wrote: > I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list. Shouted down at > times. Insulted. But never knocked off. > > Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve. I can switch to either > side of

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

well that escalate quickly On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > I think he was referring to another type of "knocked off" > > On Jan 23, 2017 11:14 AM, wrote: > >> I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list. Shouted down at >> times. Insulted. But never knock

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

>Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve. I can switch to either side of >an argument at will for fun. Are you a Gemini by any chance ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp

[AFMUG] new 450m subs?

Anyone have an update on the availability of the 450m sub version that’s like the epmp200? I thought I remember hearing Q1 sometime? Pricing?

[AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to use 80mhz channels anyw

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Well June 21 Perhaps From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we? >Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve. I can switch to either side of >an argument at will for fun. Are you a Gemini by any chance ?

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

450m can do 500mbps in 20 mhz… From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sub

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

>From Wikipedia... I think it is fairly accurate ! :) --- Astrologers believe Geminis have a volatile temperament, that their strength however is their versatility, and that their versatility allows them to learn a little about everything and develop ski

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

Not to a single end point On Jan 23, 2017 12:26 PM, "Gino Villarini" wrote: > 450m can do 500mbps in 20 mhz… > > From: Af on behalf of Joe Novak > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM > To: "af@afmug.com" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m > > 750mbit

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I've also heard tell that Geminis are bisexual. bp On 1/23/2017 10:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: From Wikipedia... I think it is fairly accurate ! :) --- Astrologers believe Geminis have a volatile temperament, that their strength however is their versat

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

It has to look like a hot chick, that’s all I’m sayin’ about that From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we? I've also heard tell that Geminis are bisexual. bp On 1/23/2017 10:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Fro

[AFMUG] OT Calories

The new issue of scientific american shows that hunter gatherers expend the same amount of calories per mass as me sitting at a computer. “But a funny thing happened on the way to the isotope ratio mass spectrometer. When the analyses came back from Baylor, the Hadza looked like everyone else.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

More than 300 participants wore accelerometers similar to a Fitbit or other fitness tracker 24 hours a day for an entire week while their daily energy expenditure was measured with doubly labeled water. We found that daily physical activity, tracked by the accelerometers, was only weakly related

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

What's the astrological sign for a**hole? (written in good humor of course) -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:47:13 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

Of course, neither the Radwin Jet From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:33 PM To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

Google "myostatin mice" On Jan 23, 2017 12:52 PM, wrote: > More than 300 participants wore accelerometers similar to a Fitbit or > other fitness tracker 24 hours a day for an entire week while their daily > energy expenditure was measured with doubly labeled water. We found that > daily physical

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

better be capricorn On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Christopher Tyler < ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote: > What's the astrological sign for a**hole? > (written in good humor of course) > > -- > Christopher Tyler > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE > Total Highspeed Internet Services > 417.851.1107 > > -

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

Huhh.. Interesting… but that doesn't explain then how body builders and tri athletes eat 5k and 10k daily diets and are fit AF… From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Mon

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

Link? You say "calories per mass", but the paragraph shows absolute values of Calories. A fatty like me probably uses more calories just to keep my fat cells fed with blood and cart my butt to the bathroom. So calories per mass makes sense to me. It's hard to understand the mechanics of usin

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

This article is really saying you can’t out run a bad diet. If you are fat, you eat too much. Being active or not, you burn about the same calories. Being active means taking the stairs, perhaps working out a bit. Not running a marathon. Those calories have to be replaced. I heard a talk

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Cancer. In Chinese zodiac, it's the "cock". Source: am cancer/cock On Jan 23, 2017 12:56 PM, "Christopher Tyler" wrote: > What's the astrological sign for a**hole? > (written in good humor of course) > > -- > Christopher Tyler > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE > Total Highspeed Internet Services > 41

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

I did overlook the fact that beam steering may very well help larger channel widths, so keep this in mind. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Joe Novak wrote: > 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/ > uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf > > I've read of

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

Our ancestors, prior to farming, were endurance hunters. There is a lot of evidence that supports this, including just examining our builds as a species and comparing us to the rest of the animal kingdom. We can't outrun a gazelle, but we can track it until exhaustion. Then we can eat it :) On Jan

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

Yeah, these mythical 80M channels don’t exist for almost any operators, especially if you want to co-locate a few AP’s, basically it’s a question of what you can realistically get down a 20M channel with mild interference in the area and can still afford at the prices people are willing to pay.

[AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

When working with a smaller remotely located network, is your preference to install a server on that network for monitoring and such, or to just tunnel back to your main location for monitoring? I've got two remotely located networks with space-restricted sites where I could install a shallow rack

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Vince Foster...isn't he the guy who committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head three times? On 1/22/2017 4:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Fact Bill, they are dead and they all had harmed or could have harmed Bill or Hillary. Just go through the list one by one. Some of it relat

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

We do a lot of tunnels back to a few data centers and an Amazon instance. If you are talking Radius it’s always good to have one one-site at least. I like these: http://www.acmemicro.com/Product/2923/Supermicro-SC523L-520B-2U-Chassis-14-5-in-Depth-2x3-5-in-Internal-Front-I-O-ATX-520W-Black-CSE-5

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

No. That was me. I shot myself in the back of the head three times, and in the per-frontal cortex four more times (after I read this thread). bp On 1/23/2017 11:38 AM, Sam Morris wrote: Vince Foster...isn't he the guy who committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head three ti

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

It depends on the topology of your network, but if you want to do this, put a few 1U shallow depth supermicros or similar out at the far edge of your network. The farthest POP from your core. Doesn't have to be expensive, even a 4 year old model is fine as long as it can run the latest debian-testi

[AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility of Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

That my friend would be the Astrological Zodiac sign Uranus ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Christopher Tyler" > To: af

[AFMUG] Epmp 5.1 guard band (no uplink antenna)

Looking over our channel plan, Ive been doing at least 5mhz guard so I only get 3 channels (20mhz) in 5.1, are you folks finding a need for the guard on colocated channels? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as p

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

On 1/23/17 11:35, Christopher Gray wrote: I've got two remotely located networks with space-restricted sites where I could install a shallow rack-mount server for some simple VMs. Specifically, One site is restricted to about 20" deep and 4U, and another restricted to about 12" deep and 1U. I wo

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5.1 guard band (no uplink antenna)

The ePMP documentation says to use a 5mhz guard band, so that's what I've always done... On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Looking over our channel plan, Ive been doing at least 5mhz guard so I > only get 3 channels (20mhz) in 5.1, are yo

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

He's fantastic. On Jan 23, 2017 2:10 PM, "Dan Petermann" wrote: > Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility of > Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman? > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

That thing would be so much better with a DC power supply. On 1/23/2017 2:35 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: This would fit in 1U with 12" of depth: https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/5018/sys-5018a-ftn4.cfm

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

You guys and your DC power... Sheesh. On Jan 23, 2017 3:07 PM, "George Skorup" wrote: > That thing would be so much better with a DC power supply. > > On 1/23/2017 2:35 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > >> >> This would fit in 1U with 12" of depth: >> >> https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/50

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5.1 guard band (no uplink antenna)

20 mhz north/south 5 mhz guard band 20 mhz east/east Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Looking over our channel plan, Ive been doing at least

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5.1 guard band (no uplink antenna)

Yep, a 5MHz guard band is required for ePMP. The OFDM channel drops off sharply on the 450, so no guard band is required. Except for the uplink side on 3GHz 450, which has Adjacent Channel Support. That limits the Tx power on the SMs to 23dBm for OOBE so that they do not interfere with adjacent

[AFMUG] OT Tough week

I am still here... Had to pull video from one of the buses I work on for police. Drunk lady crossed in front of bus doing 47mph... 7 yr old girl passed away, 3 yr old in critical condition and drunk lady in guarded condition... So I am reflecting on all this Thanks Steve for back up

Re: [AFMUG] new 450m subs?

Take this only for what it is, but someone hinted to me about a week ago and this is what they said They will be fully unlocked with no license keys. MSRP is approximately $299. ETA is April or May. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dev Sent: Monday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tough week

Give me a few On Jan 23, 2017 2:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > I am still here... Had to pull video from one of the buses I work on for > police. Drunk lady crossed in front of bus doing 47mph... 7 yr old girl > passed away, 3 yr old in critical condition and drunk lady in guarded > condition.

Re: [AFMUG] new 450m subs?

Been said on list actually Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: > Take this only for what it is, but someone hinted to me about a week ago > and this is what they said > > They wi

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

Sounds like it's official now... definitely good news! On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > He's fantastic. > > On Jan 23, 2017 2:10 PM, "Dan Petermann" wrote: > >> Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility >> of Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman? >

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

They do make a DC version of the short 2U chassis Justin suggested, but it runs on -48V: https://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/2U/523/SC523L-410.cfm I'll look into the Supermicro units. I've also been looking at the Dell R210 II, which is only 15.5" deep and seems to be pretty inexpensive t

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

somuch.winning Our industry really cont complain much at all, we have silently been creeping up the food chain over the last few years On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Sounds like it's official now... definitely good news! > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

So that makes you a Donald fan now, right? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC somuch.winning Our industry really cont complain much at all, we have silently been creeping up the food chain over

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

long live the Trumpenreich On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 5:03 PM, wrote: > So that makes you a Donald fan now, right? > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 3:59 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC > > somuch.winning > > Our indus

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

Rather than the raised arm salute, you extend your arm straight but angled downward, palm up, a make a “grabbing” motion. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 4:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC long live the Trumpenreich On Mon, Jan 23,

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

Der Gropen Fuhrer! bp On 1/23/2017 3:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Rather than the raised arm salute, you extend your arm straight but angled downward, palm up, a make a “grabbing” motion. *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 4:07 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-160-XT On 1/23/17 1:08 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: You guys and your DC power... Sheesh. On Jan 23, 2017 3:07 PM, "George Skorup" mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote: That thing would be so much better with a DC power supply. On 1/23/2017 2:35 PM, Seth Mattin

[AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

This is above my pay grade. One of our customers was contacted by AT&T, and the customer put them in touch with us. AT&T was tracking down a source of interference. The interference was on a 10mhz wide channel centered on 828mhz. At their tower, AT&T is seeing it 15-20db above the noise flo

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

place the poe in a faraday cage, it will resolve it, we have a HAM guy that has something in 800mhz, same issue, suggested he do that, it resolved it, he didnt describe what cage he built On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > This is above my pay grade. > > One of our customers

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

cheap way to verify...use that aluminum tape or several windings of foil...thicker the better at 800MHz.. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:32 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > place the poe in a faraday cage, it will re

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

Is it shielded cable? Sounds like the shield has become a radiator, aka antenna. Detune it by adding or removing some cable length? On 1/23/2017 9:32 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: place the poe in a faraday cage, it will resolve it, we have a HAM guy that has something in 800mhz, same issue,

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

that was my next suggestion Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:39 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Is it shielded cable? Sounds like the shield has become a radiator, aka > antenna. Detune it by adding or removing some cable length? > > On 1/23/2017 9:

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

Not shielded cable, but still a good idea. This person doesn't have HAM equipment, but I'm thinking something along the same lines. Maybe a device in the house is inserting this signal on the neutral or ground wire of the A/C. Maybe A/C ground is bonded to D/C ground in the PoE. Maybe D/C gr

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

They don’t have a cellular extender do they? Can you take an offending WiMax to a location with a spectrum analyzer to see if it really may be radiating on that freq. Also, if there is a strong transmitter nearby, you can have intermodulation products being passively created in the WiMax. Lik

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

this guy was running something in 800mhz the poe was interfering with, he traced it to the poe, if i recall correctly he said it was emitting even with the radio cable unplugged On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > They don’t have a cellular extender do they? > Can you take an