What am I missing here?
Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 60GHz
radio instead of 5Ghz?
Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later protocols on
60GHz vs 5GHz?
Has any of these been deployed, in an area with real seasons for a full year
yet?
-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 2:05 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
What am I missing here?
Ca
The atmospheric characteristics of 60 GHz are radically different. Antenna
design is very different due to frequency for anything resembling a
"sector". Unless you want PtMP that's only good within 250 meters... More
challenging than you might think.
A lot of the work that has been done over the
guessing ROI bashfulness. Who wants to invest in this band until we have
real world users evangelizing for the band. I am a skeptic. But I have been
proven wrong many times before.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn&#
: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
But all of that is in the second half of the radio. From the ethernet port to
the modulation demodulation systems it should be the same as other radios. And
if they use robust modultion, you could just transvert a
The top reasons that come to mind right away are:
(1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go very far in
a PMP environment. Maybe a few hundred yards. If there are trees, forget
about it.
(2) Modulation. Don't expect something in that frequency to be doing
higher level modul
vorite deity or demigod here) to depart or I will set ye on FIRE!" And
then hit them with the signal.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 2:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
The top reasons that co
How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a maximum of
1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does not work?
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson
wrote:
> What am I missing here?
>
> Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
> architecture/softwa
Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
The top reasons that come to mind right away are:
(1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go very far in a PMP
environment. Maybe a few hu
1000 to 2000 ft distance is really optimistic for PtMP in 60 GHz even...
With FCC EIRP limits for 60 GHz PTP the longest it's good for around here
is 600 meters. A little bit more out to 800-900m with the weird Bridgewave
60 GHz product that combines regular maximum Tx power but uses a 60 cm dish
o
.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a maximum of
1000-2000ft distance, that fiber doe
ase, but provides an
immediate solution at a fraction of the cost of fiber, with the ‘feel’ of fiber.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Ever
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> sterl...@avative.net>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>
> Lots.
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> Lots of places.
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Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
Lots.
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; sterl...@avative.net>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com"
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>
>> Lots.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lots o
y 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I concur
>>>>
>>>> From: Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson
>>>>
>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
>>>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
>
17 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I concur
>>>
>>> From: Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson <
>>> sterl...@avative.net>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
>>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
>>&
el easily at much less costs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It will be amazing for potential customers at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Might not hold up over time as bandwidth needs increase, but provides an
>>> immediate solution a
ote:
>>>>> Indeed... don't underestimate what can be done with a 2000' range. I can
>>>>> probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where
>>>>> I'm sitting.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 8
houses with that from the tower next to where I'm
>> sitting.
>>
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I concur
>>>
>>> From: Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson <
>>> sterl...@avative
can be done with a 2000' range. I can
>>> probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where I'm
>>> sitting.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I concur
>>>>
ate what can be done with a 2000' range. I
>>>> can probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where
>>>> I'm sitting.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
ses with that from the tower next to where I'm
>>> sitting.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I concur
>>>>
>>>> From: Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson <
>>>
m] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>
> The top reasons that come to mind right away are:
>
> (1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go ve
May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini
wrote:
I concur
From: Af on behalf of Sterling
Jacobson <
sterl...@avative.net>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
To: "af@afmug.com"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone
Hav
All antenna designs scale. Things are just much smaller at this frequency.
From: Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
I have read that building a 60ghz antenna is a whole new ball game of
compli
:00 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
Hey Sterling,
No worries, we will have 15 CPE per sector support in mid June (software
update). The next step will be 32 (another software updat
:00 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
Hey Sterling,
No worries, we will have 15 CPE per sector support in mid June (software
update). The next step will be 32 (another softwar
mug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
> I have read that building a 60ghz antenna is a whole new ball game of
> complicated compared to other bands. Until recently 60ghz antennas where
> built SOC style, directly on the PCB of the board next to
Harold Bledsoe <
> hbledso...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com"
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
> Hey Sterling,
>
> No worries, we will have 15 CPE pe
That is for certain, gotta use exotic substrates. Not sure even teflon is good
at that freq.
From: Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
Yep and also the materials matter a lot. No FR4 for
That is for certain, gotta use exotic substrates. Not sure even teflon is
> good at that freq.
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 1:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
> Yep and also the
gt;> From: Af on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
>> hbledso...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com"
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>
;> From: Af on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
>>> hbledso...@gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
>>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com"
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn&#x
t yet
>>>
>>> From: Af on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
>>> hbledso...@gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
>>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com"
>>>
>>> Subj
8
>>>>> clients.
>>>>>
>>>>> I need this to be more in the 'normal' range of an AP to 15-30 clients
>>>>> or more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the higher bandwidth, it would be a lot easier to spread a
>>
y 9, 2017 at 11:54 AM Gino A. Villarini
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What is this angie thing… can’t wrap my head around it yet
>>>
>>> From: Af on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
>>> hbledso...@gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
>>&g
1:54 AM Gino A. Villarini
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is this angie thing… can’t wrap my head around it yet
>>>>
>>>> From: Af on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
>>>> hbledso...@gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: &qu
n a lot of cities, half the folks
>>>> don't have broadband at home. Wi-Fi service could be the economical
>>>> solution. :-)
>>>>
>>>> 60GHz is for achieving gigabit levels of service.
>>>>
>>>> Hal
>>>>
>>
t;>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>>>> President
>>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:29 PM Sterling Jacobson <
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