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"Shortcut",  yes there is no shortcut... or is there? "Consciousness is what thinking feels like." EXACTLY!  Define "feel" in the mathematical sense. We coat concepts with words (symbols). Where do they come from? John -- Artificial General Intelligence L

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I have a complete AGI model that explain it all. But no one wants to give me credit for it.   They just keep poaching my work and call it there work, like ripping off hub caps form a car. Like this fool here. The visual alphabet 2.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6MB-ZgPcNg And  this person

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"AGI is  100 percent consciousness"  Please throw the AI guys a bone, line 10%?  Even though it's mostly grunt. Sorry I don't really feel that way I know there is something there there is! John -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: h

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 Consciousness has to do with observing temporal patterns. Intelligence is for how well a AGI  understanding these temporal patterns. And how well it can control these temporal patterns. And how well   it can prediction these temporal patterns.  Yes, a rat is conscious but not very intelligent.

[agi] Re: ConscioIntelligent Thinkings

"Consciousness has to do with observing temporal patterns." The term pattern is ... obscure I'm afraid I try to avoid it but... It's more than observe, I would say occupy representation. A pattern is a representation. Only terminology?  Two patterns from different domains - the key is how do th

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Consciousness is Memory: https://vimeo.com/98785998 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M819fa2b8a5413ae9eb019d0b Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

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How do you test whether a rat is conscious or not? On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 9:24 PM wrote: > "Consciousness has to do with observing temporal patterns." > The term pattern is ... obscure I'm afraid I try to avoid it but... > > It's more than observe, I would say occupy representation. A pattern is

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151217151716.htm -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-Me0f711ecf4c52ac5f0e72703 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subs

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How about:  Write an expression for or compute the consciousness of a clock. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M77f3de8ef0fd657b53de65f3 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/gr

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It is about a program that can learn what a clock is. This is what machine learning is all about -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M2139e482264f8202d4fa8eb7 Delivery options: https:

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So the hard problem of consciousness is solved. Rats have a thalamus which controls whether they are in a conscious state or asleep. John, is that what you meant by consciousness? On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 9:13 PM wrote: > Consciousness has to do with observing temporal patterns. Intelligence is >

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To clear understanding of these unsettling words like simulating/ dreaming, consciousness, etc, I have found related meanings to many of these words in AGI. GPT-2 uses a Transformer that uses Attention. This considers context, and the more context - the more consciousness. Besides that, knowing

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: Saturday, 24 August 2019 06:18 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Re: ConscioIntelligent Thinkings To clear understanding of these unsettling words like simulating/ dreaming, consciousness, etc, I have found related meanings to many of these words in AGI. GPT-2 uses a Transformer that uses Attention. This

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On 8/24/19 8:44 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: This machine is not even aware that it is a human being typing. It has zero concept of being communicated with via the Web. It reasons it could be a bear, or a girl that prompted it in the English language. FAIL But we cannot be s

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Sentiment detection, human-written detection, danger detection, there's infinite detections. It must recognize the input and say what entails using its knowledge.  The "concept" of who it speaks to is based on feeding input in and entailment out. That is "awareness" and "conscious".

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Possible correction here, this is modeling consciousness assuming everything is conscious, "panpsychism" is it? I mentioned pondering pure randomness. This might not be right it might be when pondering pure nothingness. Would pure nothingness have a consciousness of everything or pure randomnes

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> -Original Message- > From: Matt Mahoney > > So the hard problem of consciousness is solved. Rats have a thalamus which > controls whether they are in a conscious state or asleep. > > John, is that what you meant by consciousness? Matt, Not sure about the hard problem here but a rat w

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ield of reality. It needs orientation. From: immortal.discover...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 09:39 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Re: ConscioIntelligent Thinkings Sentiment detection, human-written detection, danger detection, there's infinite det

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> Matt, > > Not sure about the hard problem here but a rat would have far less > consciousness when sleeping that is for sure 😊 > > Why? Think about the communication model with other objects/agents. > > John Although... I have to say that sometimes when I'm sleeping, lucid dreaming or whateve

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 The human mind builds many temporal patterns and pick the best one. Since wet neurons are so  slow. Also the human brain build many temporal patterns that will occur or could occur if predicted  patterns fails. Also, the brain records everything, so when we sleep complex algorithms are brought 

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On Saturday, August 24, 2019, at 11:15 AM, keghnfeem wrote: > The human mind builds many temporal patterns and pick the best one. Since wet > neurons are so  > slow. Also the human brain build many temporal patterns that will occur or > could occur if predicted  > patterns fails. Also, the brain

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@NT Attention Is All You Need https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M4cc29af1f6399bd26e529172/consciointelligent-thinkings -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M4a48a69

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I have a complete agi model that is a conscious machine and can generate symbols using neural  networks. Here are two high end scientist using my work.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6MB-ZgPcNg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBKEaJtc8dU   And the greatest paper of are time: https://www.acad

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On Friday, August 23, 2019, at 9:57 PM, keghnfeem wrote: > Consciousness is Memory: > https://vimeo.com/98785998 Uhm, I was thinking that intelligence is memory. Consciousness is now.  Intelligence is what comes before and after now. Could be wrong though I guess... life is a recording that can

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*Intelligence* has been defined in many ways, including: the capacity for logic , understanding , self-awareness , learning , e

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Intelligence, Memory, Consciousness for AGI is a very nice 3 tuple: AGI = {I,C,M} Any missing elements? John -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M4a0bc51d34f8bb88282cda4c Delivery

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Encoding information, remembering information, decoding information, paying attention to context, prediction forecast, loop back to step 1, is the main gist of it. This has generation, feedback, and adapting temporal patterns. -- Artificial General Intellig

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On Monday, August 26, 2019, at 7:44 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Encoding information, remembering information, decoding information, paying > attention to context, prediction forecast, loop back to step 1, is the main > gist of it. This has generation, feedback, and adapting temporal patter

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Is all this discussion leading anywhere? On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 at 14:00, wrote: > On Monday, August 26, 2019, at 7:44 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > > Encoding information, remembering information, decoding information, > paying attention to context, prediction forecast, loop back to step 1, is

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On Monday, August 26, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Stefan Reich wrote: > Is all this discussion leading anywhere? Yes, it's increasing C. John -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M7d3054ff81a8

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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 8:05 AM Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: Is all this discussion leading anywhere? No. Consciousness is an irrelevant distraction to anyone doing serious work in AGI. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.to

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AGI will not work unless there is some form of consciousness system in place. In deep learning it is  called a attention network, and they are coming on strong on the latest supervised NN's. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https:/

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Attention/focus is not the type of consciousness that Matt is talking about. Maybe some more specific terms will help clear things up. "What it feels like to think" or "the sum of all a being's qualia" can be called phenomenal consciousness. I don't think this type of consciousness is either ne

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 There are my types of consciousness. There is insect, lizard, mouse, primate, and human.   And there is different forms of consciousness for every species of lizard and so on.  With in machine consciousness, for my AGI, there will different types of machine consciousness  for each other types

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I was expressing panpsychist mathematical modeling with consciousness as Universal Communication Protocol and Occupying Representation in case you didn't notice. This has much overlap on other AI fields... kegineem we may have some similar ideas I see you have something called a Visual Alphabet

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I believe consciousness doesn't exist for many, many, reasons, ex. physics, our brain being a meta ball from the womb, learned cues, etc. I am purely a robot from evolution, with no life. The moment you hear that you fear that and want to feel more special, it's like buying bible movies as a foo

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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, at 7:51 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > I believe consciousness doesn't exist for many, many, reasons, ex. physics, > our brain being a meta ball from the womb, learned cues, etc. I am purely a > robot from evolution, with no life. The moment you hear that you fear

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Yes as I said, consciousness means other things for real, the uses are there, just not any magic, only misunderstandings. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-Me83daaccee42bd3ff4696bee

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Please point me to the code being written as a result of this talk then :-) On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 at 22:21, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 8:05 AM Stefan Reich via AGI > wrote: > > Is all this discussion leading anywhere? > > No. Consciousness is an irrelevant distraction to anyo

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Thanks John. Could consciousness all come down to the way things vibrate?: https://theconversation.com/could-consciousness-all-come-down-to-the-way-things-vibrate-103070 The visual alphabet 2.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6MB-ZgPcNg Is Your Consciousness Just A Bunch Of Vibrations? | A

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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Stefan Reich wrote: > Please point me to the code being written as a result of this talk then :-) Stefan, There are other loosely "related" component pieces for research that are present in various projects that exist that have some publicly shareable cod

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Network of Networks — A Neural-Symbolic Approach to Inverse-Graphics: https://towardsdatascience.com/network-of-networks-a-neural-symbolic-approach-to-inverse-graphics-acf3998ab3d  Here is some. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: htt

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On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 9:30 AM Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: Please point me to the code being written as a result of this talk then :-) http://mattmahoney.net/autobliss.txt Actually I wrote it in response to this conversation in 2007 because consciousness is a topic that just won't die. The progr

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:-) "Is Your Consciousness Just A Bunch Of Vibrations? | Answers With Joe" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GE5M6F8I18 For cavemen laymen, that answer is quiet accurately well. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com

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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > It says "ouch" and it modifies its behavior to avoid negative stimuli. Too > much torture will kill it. This corny gimmick chatbot is so Mentifexian. You should convert it to JavaScript and get it integrated over there with a button

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Dropping the 'consciousness' word, that video I linked above is actually hit on. Let me explain. In the middle of the video, he mentioned wave synchronization - the brain has signals propagating around - please see this video below to see what the man has meant. In the brain, the connections st

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Once you read that, I have a further note: The learning, and decision planning cycles, comes to equilibrium and you only get a tiny bit more for the same compute, so not worth it at some given point, as seen in those metronomes. Also, equilibrium may escape pit hole traps if all the cells can si

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By "short term memory" I mean the working train of thoughts, looping, like GPT-2's Attention system in the Transformer architecture. Paying attention to context updates the attention weights, then it iterates, having a new context. So while Glove equalizes, Attention equalizes too. Your though-t

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(The short term Attention comes to equilibrium with your knowledgebase.) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-Mfb84f161c988fdd93f25549b Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups

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And, I like what a YouTube comment said: "It's just a closed model to demonstrate it faster.  We see this kind of synchronization with humans too.  You live in a certain area among Christians, you're likely to become one too.  Live in an area of hindus?  Guess what you're likely to be.  Nazi Ger

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(the metronomes on the table) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-Me104603deb8b488564e7265d Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

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Or, possibly you work for a goo amount of time, then take breaks to let your global long term memory "learn", like Glove does. That way your Attention thought train can get past any stumps. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://ag

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Dreaming is simulating, like GPT-2 does. And it can learn while doing that in Attention. But in Long term memory, in the midnight subconscious time if not all the time, learning also happens without 'you' thinking and seeing the discovery occur and laugh at the rewarding relation. The difference

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When I say "synchronization makes you propagate signals farther faster", take for example having learnt the piano or English  alphabet - phrases are made from word parts made from letter parts and Glove relations are formed using past Glove relations. These bridges are built on each other, and t

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If you shake a bucket of rocks, they will fall and take up less volume, you let the matter do the calculations on their own. This is indeed similar to the Self-Attention system in the Transformer architecture, let me get a picture: -- Artificial General Int

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https://www.google.ca/search?q=transformer+attention+google&hl=en-CA&tbm=isch&source=lnt&tbs=itp:animated&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqpcOY8qTkAhUHeKwKHfpAArkQpwUIJA&biw=1280&bih=874&dpr=1#imgrc=vUB9f1gtXwXGFM: https://www.google.ca/search?sa=G&hl=en-CA&q=screenshot&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSkwEJog8Ip4ErUGAahwEL

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This is done not just in Glove, but in entailment and segmentation tasks. And it is done in your attentive short term thinking area, and in your global unguided subconscious, for when you pay attention to the correct related context during translation and entailment being used to do entailment.

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I have also replicated the amazing GPT-2 in raw with no training. I know fully how it works. I will show yous, soon. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M0badc2b8f60eb84a1eec385b Deli

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This attention system is also done in cells, on DNA translation encoding/decoding and for repairs of errors and signaling growth specialization of new types of cell differentiation. It works on all levels, cities to cells, even wound healing, because it is information repair and Generative emerg

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You can see GPT-2 can translate, then entail. It can repair bad words to better encodings before entailment attention. It can inject words technically. This can repair sentences, see what I mean? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: http

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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, at 10:01 AM, keghnfeem wrote: > The visual alphabet 2.0: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6MB-ZgPcNg > I watched most of this excellent presentation but was waiting for resultant symbol mechanics and dynamics. The structure of the structure extracted and how th

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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, at 11:26 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Dropping the 'consciousness' word, that video I linked above is actually hit > on. Let me explain. In the middle of the video, he mentioned wave > synchronization - the brain has signals propagating around - please see this

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On Monday, August 26, 2019, at 5:25 PM, WriterOfMinds wrote: > "What it feels like to think" or "the sum of all a being's qualia" can be > called phenomenal consciousness. I don't think this type of consciousness is > either necessary or sufficient for AGI. If you have an explicit goal of > crea

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That is not what qualia are.  Qualia are incommunicable and private. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M100a6fbb04132f410d7de3d6 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi

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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, at 8:44 AM, WriterOfMinds wrote: > That is not what qualia are.  Qualia are incommunicable and private. As Matt would say: printf("Ouch!\n"); John -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox

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mpirically resolve the 'ambiguity' problem first. Else, it would result in (or take form as) a consciousness-challenged dumb device, like most computers still are today. From: WriterOfMinds Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:44 To: AGI S

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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > Any generalized system relying on the random, subjective input value of > qualia would give rise to the systems constraint of ambiguity. Therefore, as > a policy, all subjectively-derived data would introduce a

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clrscr(); On 28.08.2019 16:03, johnr...@polyplexic.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, at 8:44 AM, WriterOfMinds wrote: That is not what qualia are. Qualia are incommunicable and private. As Matt would say: printf("Ouch!\n"); John *Artificial General Intelligence List

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https://philpapers.org/archive/CHATMO-32.pdf#page=50 On 28.08.2019 22:19, Secretary of Trades wrote: clrscr(); On 28.08.2019 16:03, johnr...@polyplexic.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, at 8:44 AM, WriterOfMinds wrote: That is not what qualia are. Qualia are incommunicable and pr

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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Secretary of Trades wrote: > https://philpapers.org/archive/CHATMO-32.pdf#page=50 Blah blah blah. >From AGI perspective we are interested in the multi-agent computational >advantages in distributed systems that consciousness (or by other names) >facili

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Are you sure you wouldn't be better served by calling your ideas some other names than "consciousness" and "qualia," then?  We're all getting "hung-up on" the concepts that those terms actually refer to.  I do not see how communication protocols have anything to do with consciousness as it is us

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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, at 4:07 PM, WriterOfMinds wrote: > Are you sure you wouldn't be better served by calling your ideas some other > names than "consciousness" and "qualia," then?  We're all getting "hung-up > on" the concepts that those terms actually refer to.  Good question. That'

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People can only communicate their conscious experiences by analogy. When you say "I'm in pain," you're not actually describing your experience; you're encouraging me to remember how I felt the last time *I* was in pain, and to assume you feel the same way. We have no way of really knowing whethe

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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, at 5:09 PM, WriterOfMinds wrote: > People can only communicate their conscious experiences by analogy. When you > say "I'm in pain," you're not actually describing your experience; you're > encouraging me to remember how I felt the last time *I* was in pain, and to

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"You don’t know my qualia on red ... We may never know that your green is my red." Great, seems like we've reached agreement on something. When we communicate with words like "red," we're really communicating about the frequency of light. I would argue that we are not communicating our qualia to

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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, at 6:49 PM, WriterOfMinds wrote: > Great, seems like we've reached agreement on something. > When we communicate with words like "red," we're really communicating about > the frequency of light. I would argue that we are not communicating our > qualia to each other.

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processor, the resident operating system, and a peripheral device. It should be interesting. From: johnr...@polyplexic.com Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:06 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Re: ConscioIntelligent Thinkings On Wednesday, August 28, 2019,

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Cool, but ... I maintain that none of this is about consciousness.  Knowledge representation, abstraction and compression via symbolism, communication of structure, common protocols and standards for describing physical phenomena ... these are all intelligence tasks. Specifically, the communicat

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quot; tests for vetting it as science could be replaced by a suitably-representative body of reviewing scientists who are accredited in the limitations of subjective, scientific observation. From: WriterOfMinds Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2019 00:49 To: AGI Sub

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On Thursday, August 29, 2019, at 1:49 AM, WriterOfMinds wrote: > Like I said when I first posted on this thread, phenomenal consciousness is > neither necessary nor sufficient for an intelligent system. This is the premise that you are misguided by. Who is building the intelligent systems? Grunt

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On Thursday, August 29, 2019, at 6:32 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > Qualia are communicable. > As such, I propose a new research methodology, which pertains to one-off > valid and reliable experimentation when dealing with the "unseen". The > "public" and repeat" tests for vettin

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Clarified: AGI={I,C,M,PSI}={I,UCP+OR,M,BB}; BB=Black Box John -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M3849c56767c291ea6a534cf9 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subs

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On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 7:39 AM wrote: > On Thursday, August 29, 2019, at 1:49 AM, WriterOfMinds wrote: > > Like I said when I first posted on this thread, phenomenal consciousness > is neither necessary nor sufficient for an intelligent system. > > > This is the premise that you are misguided by.

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On Thursday, August 29, 2019, at 12:49 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Phenomenal consciousness is what thinking feels like. This feeling evolved > because it motivates you to not die and let those feelings stop. It doesn't > require any new physics. It can be explained entirely by neural computation.

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@Matt We think the same -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-Mca07bd6601dd56a5ab108f57 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

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John For once, I fully agree with you. This is perhaps not just a part of the problem (issue), but probably one of the biggest problems facing general, AGI progress. " Part of the issue here is that engineers particularly software cannot wait for science in many cases." But, I strongly disagre

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On Friday, August 30, 2019, at 2:31 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > But, I strongly disagree with the following statement, for it contains an > inherent contradiction. > > "It is allowed to break physics or invent new ones in a virtual world." > > No, they should not be allowed

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l. I suppose, it'll all end in a static, spot of white light, wouldn't it? Just as it began. Ask yourself this; would an AGI entity be having this kind of discussion, and if so, how would it flow? From: johnr...@polyplexic.com Sent: Sunday, 01 S

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> ---------- > *From:* johnr...@polyplexic.com > *Sent:* Sunday, 01 September 2019 23:54 > *To:* AGI > *Subject:* Re: [agi] Re: ConscioIntelligent Thinkings > > On Friday, August 30, 2019, at 2:31 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies > wrote: > > But,

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Thought isn't faster than light, brain waves don't move that fast. And humans are much slower than computers doing tasks. This is part of our society, is it true. In the 4 given statements Matt gave, either we are in a sim or in the base physics. -- Artif

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Typo - *it is true. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d48db-M1b1996cd3bd777d6b2af45f0 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

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Our minds are simulating most everything. We can imagine a model where a spaceship goes from Earth to Pluto in 1 second virtually breaking the speed of light (we know it isn't really). My thoughts were that consciousness is the one piece of the mind that isn't a model or a simulation. And for a

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Qualia flow, the dots are qualia :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9vjEB1S2Y Transform into text: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myFR8FTXOM4 John -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T41ac13a64c3d4

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an acceptable process for doing so. This is t From: Matt Mahoney Sent: Monday, 02 September 2019 22:39 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Re: ConscioIntelligent Thinkings If we are living in a simulation then of course anything is possible. It isn't a law tha

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ld be at zero-point energy. Possibility would exist there. From: Matt Mahoney Sent: Monday, 02 September 2019 22:39 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Re: ConscioIntelligent Thinkings If we are living in a simulation then of course anything is possible. It isn't