Our paper How long until human-level AI? Results from an expert
assessment (based on a survey done at AGI-09) was finally accepted
for publication, in the journal Technological Forecasting Social
Change ...
See the preprint at
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Hi all,
I gave a talk in Teleplace yesterday, about Cosmist philosophy and future
technology. A video of the talk is here:
http://telexlr8.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/ben-goertzel-on-the-cosmist-manifesto-in-teleplace-september-12/
I also put my practice version of the talk, that I did before
and
more focused on presentation/collaboration...]
Thanks much to the great Giulio Prisco for setting it up ;)
Ben Goertzel on The Cosmist Manifesto in Teleplace,
September 12, 10am PST
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We have those fruit fly populations also, and analysis of their genetics
refutes your claim ;p ...
Where? References? The last I looked, all they had in addition to their
long-lived groups were uncontrolled control groups, and no groups bred only
from young flies.
Michael rose's UCI lab
,
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I'm speaking there, on Ai applied to life extension; and participating in
a panel discussion on narrow vs. general AI...
Having some interest, expertise, and experience in both areas, I find it
hard to imagine much interplay
I should dredge up and forward past threads with them. There are some flaws
in their chain of reasoning, so that it won't be all that simple to sort the
few relevant from the many irrelevant mutations. There is both a huge amount
of noise, and irrelevant adaptations to their environment and
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The human visual system doesn't evolve like that on the fly. This can be
proven by the fact that we all see the same visual illusions. We all exhibit
the same visual limitations in the same way. There is much evidence that the
system doesn't evolve accidentally. It has a limited set of rules
for
AGI, but I think they're only a moderate portion of the problem, and not the
hardest part...
Which is?
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A fellow AGI researcher sent me this request, so I figured I'd
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have been presented by Ben Goertzel and are also another topic of this forum.
There are other approaches in AGI that uses some digital evolutionary
approach for AGI. For me it is a clear clue that both are related in some
instance.
By ALife I mean the life-as-it-could-be approach (not simulate
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Hi all,
My new futurist tract The Cosmist Manifesto is now available on
Amazon.com, courtesy of Humanity+ Press:
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Thanks to Natasha Vita-More for the beautiful cover, and David Orban
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Oh... and, a PDF version of the book is also available for free at
http://goertzel.org/CosmistManifesto_July2010.pdf
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On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Jim Bromer jimbro...@gmail.com wrote:
Abram,
Solomoff Induction would produce poor predictions if it could be used to
compute them.
Solomonoff induction is a mathematical, not verbal, construct. Based on the
most obvious mapping from the verbal terms you've
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Secondly, since it cannot be computed it is useless. Third, it is not
the sort of thing that is useful for AGI in the first place.
I agree with these two statements
The principle of Solomonoff
of that paper do you think is wrong?
thx
ben
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If you're going to argue against a mathematical theorem, your argument must
be mathematical not verbal. Please
or inference that works for everything!
Dave
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To make this discussion more concrete, please look at
http://www.vetta.org/documents/disSol.pdf
Section 2.5 gives a simple version of the proof that Solomonoff induction
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to solve. The theory has been there a while... How to effectively implement
it in a general way though, as far as I can tell, has never been solved.
Dave
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I certainly agree with this method, but of course it's
To put it more succinctly, Dave Ben Hutter are doing the wrong subject
- narrow AI. Looking for the one right prediction/ explanation is narrow
AI. Being able to generate more and more possible explanations, wh. could
all be valid, is AGI. The former is rational, uniform thinking. The
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where they may.
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Hutter's AIXI for instance works [very roughly speaking] by choosing the
most compact program that, based on historical data, would have yielded
maximum reward
... and there it is! What did I see?
Example
of the difference between the two types of
functions here?
Joshua
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to
provide, and what types to put adjacent to what other types, rather than the
more detailed concept now usually thought to exist.
Thanks for helping me wring my thought out here.
Steve
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A few
problem) indicate, these problems
can be as simple and accessible as fairly easy narrow AI problems.
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That's a rather bizarre
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Ben,
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know what dimensional analysis is, but it would be great if you could
give an example of how it's useful for everyday commonsense
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This is an attempt to articulate a virtual world infrastructure that
will be adequate for the development of human-level AGI
http://www.goertzel.org/papers/BlocksNBeadsWorld.pdf
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Hi,
Since I can now get to the paper some further thoughts. Concepts that
would seem hard to form in your world is organic growth and phase
changes of materials. Also naive chemistry would seem to be somewhat
important (cooking, dissolving materials, burning: these are things
that a
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Hi all,
I intend to submit the following paper to JAGI shortly, but I figured
I'd run it past you folks on this list first, and incorporate any
useful feedback into the draft I
that you can't simulate the high
complexity of thousands of computers and human users with anything less than
that. Simple problems have simple solutions, but that's not AGI.
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This is no place to stop -- half way
AGI company A2I2 has released a product for automating call center
functionality, see...
http://www.smartaction.com/index.html
Based on reading the website here is my initial reaction
Certainly, automating a higher and higher percentage of call center
functionality is a worthy goal, and a place
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This is no place to stop -- half way between
at the URL: Sonia Arrison, George Dvorsky, Patri Friedman, Ben
Goertzel (big surprise), Stephane Gounari, Todd Huffman, Jonas Lamis,
and Mike LaTorra.
Sorry for the short notice, but if you see this in time and have the
interest, I hope you'll become a member by tonight so that you can
vote next
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Nathan Cook nathan.c...@gmail.com wrote:
What about vibration? We have specialized mechanoreceptors to detect
vibration (actually vibration and pressure - presumably there's processing
to separate the two). It's vibration that lets us feel fine texture, via the
The model feels underspecified to me, but I'm OK with that, the ideas
conveyed. It doesn't feel fair to insist there's no fluid dynamics
modeled though ;-)
Yes, the next step would be to write out detailed equations for the
model. I didn't do that in the paper because I figured that would be
virtual world infrastructure an
effective AGI preschool would minimally require.
thx
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It's actually mentioned there, though not emphasized... there's a
section on senses...
ben g
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Eric Burton brila...@gmail.com wrote:
Goertzel this is an interesting line of investigation. What about in
world sound perception?
On 1/9/09, Ben Goertzel b
If it was just a matter of writing the code, then it would have been done
50 years ago.
if proving Fermat's Last theorem was just a matter of doing math, it would
have been done 150 years ago ;-p
obviously, all hard problems that can be solved have already been solved...
???
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2008/12/29 Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org:
Hi,
I expanded a previous blog entry of mine on hypercomputation and AGI into
a
conference paper on the topic ... here is a rough draft, on which I'd
appreciate commentary from anyone who's knowledgeable
I'm heading off on a vacation for 4-5 days [with occasional email access]
and will probably respond to this when i get back ... just wanted to let you
know I'm not ignoring the question ;-)
ben
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, imitation or intuition...
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I expanded a previous blog entry of mine on hypercomputation and AGI into
a conference paper on the topic ... here is a rough draft, on which I'd
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I wrote down my thoughts on this in a little more detail here (with some
pastings from these emails plus some new info):
http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2008/12/subtle-structure
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David,
Good point... I'll revise the essay to account for it...
The truth is, we just don't know -- but in taking the virtual world
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Most compression tests are like defining intelligence as the ability to
catch mice. They measure the ability of compressors to compress specific
files. This tends to lead to hacks that are tuned to the benchmarks. For the
generic intelligence test, all you know about the source is that it has
Suppose I take the universal prior and condition it on some real-world
training data. For example, if you're interested in real-world
vision, take 1000 frames of real video, and then the proposed
probability distribution is the portion of the universal prior that
explains the real video.
Much of AI and pretty much all of AGI is built on the proposition that we
humans must code knowledge because the stupid machines can't efficiently
learn it on their own, in short, that UNsupervised learning is difficult.
No, in fact almost **no** AGI is based on this proposition.
Cyc is
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of the
theoretical speculations one reads in the neuroscience literature... and I
can't really think of any recent neuroscience data that refutes any of his
key hypotheses...
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I'm curious what you
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Hi,
So if the researcher on this project have been learning some of your ideas,
and some of the better speculative thinking and neural simulations that have
been done in brains science --- either directly or indirectly --- it might
be incorrect to say that there is no 'design for a thinking
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ed Porter ewpor...@msn.com wrote:
Ben,
Thanks for the reply.
It is a shame the brain science people aren't more interested in AGI. It
seems to me there is a lot of potential for cross-fertilization.
I don't think many of these folks have a
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On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Derek Zahn derekz...@msn.com wrote:
Ben:
Right. My intuition is that we don't need to simulate the dynamics
of fluids, powders and the like in our virtual world to make it adequate
for teaching AGIs humanlike, human-level AGI. But this could be
wrong.
It's an interesting idea, but I suspect it too will rapidly break down.
Which activities can be known about in a rich, better-than-blind-Cyc way
*without* a knowledge of objects and object manipulation? How can an agent
know about reading a book,for example, if it can't pick up and
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Well, it's completely obvious to me, based on my knowledge of virtual
worlds
and robotics, that building a high quality virtual world is orders of
magnitude easier
and odd problem...
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It doesn't have to be humanoid ... but apart from rolling instead of
walking,
I don't see any really significant simplifications obtainable from
Consider an object, such as a sock or a book or a cat. These objects
can all be recognised by young children, even though the visual input
coming from trhem chasnges from what angle they're viewed at. More
fundamentally, all these objects can change shape, yet humans can
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colleagues in the past who favored such a style
of discourse ;-)
ben
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IMHO, Mike Tintner is not often rude, and is not exactly a troll
because I
feel he
In my opinion you are being too generous and your generosity is being
taken advantage of.
That is quite possible; it's certainly happened before...
As well as trying to be nice to Mike, you have to bear list quality in
mind and decide whether his ramblings are of some benefit to all the
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Colin,
It is of course possible that human intelligence relies upon
electromagnetic-field sensing that goes beyond the traditional five
senses.
However, this argument
Functionally, the key behaviour I use to test my approach is scientific
behaviour. If you sacrifice the full EM field, an AGI
beyond the scope of contemporary AGI
designs (at least according to some experts, like me), which is what makes
it more interesting in the present moment...
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What
, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Richard Loosemore r...@lightlink.comwrote:
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yeah ... that's not a matter of the English language but rather a matter
of the American Way ;-p
Through working with many non-Americans I have noted that what Americans
often intend as a playful obnoxiousness
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d) 75 years of computer-based-AGI failure - has sent me a message that no
amount of hubris on my part can overcome. As a scientist I must be informed
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That argument really is a foolish one not worth paying attention to.
I mean, it
know. In that case I'll try my best to learn his way of communication,
at least when talking to British and American people --- who knows, it
may even improve my marketing ability. ;-)
Pei
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote:
And when a Chinese doesn't
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote:
Well, I think you might have overreacted to his writing style for cultural
reasons
However, I also think that -- to be Americanly blunt -- you're very
unlikely to learn anything from conversing with Mike,
On AGI
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You can't deliver any evidence at all that the processes I am investigating
are invalid.
True, and you can't deliver any evidence that once AGIs reach an IQ of 1000,
aliens will contact them and welcome them to the Trans-Universal Club of
Really Clever Beings.
In fact, I won't be at all
You, like the rest of us, are incapable of discussing anything else. Email
cannot carry non-algorithmic ideas or concepts. Just because you do not
consider your system algorithmic does not mean that it is not. Nature is
algorithmic, your chip is algorithmic, everything is algorithmic. That
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Philip Hunt cabala...@googlemail.comwrote:
2008/12/20 Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org:
I.e., I doubt one needs serious fluid dynamics in one's simulation ... I
doubt one needs bodies with detailed internal musculature ... but I think
one does need basic
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Philip Hunt cabala...@googlemail.comwrote:
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3. to provide a toy domain for the AI to think about and become
proficient in.
Not just to become proficient in the domain, but become proficient
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:10 PM, J. Andrew Rogers
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On Dec 19, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote:
The problem is that **there is no way for science to ever establish the
existence of a nonalgorithmic process**, because science deals only with
finite sets
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Baking a cake is a harder example. An AGI trained in a virtual world
could
certainly follow a recipe to make a passable cake. But it would never
learn
to be a **really good** baker in the virtual world, unless the virtual
world
were fabulously
deaf, I suppose ;-)
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote:
Ahhh... ***that's*** why everyone always hates my cakes!!! I never
realized you were supposed to **taste** the stuff ... I thought it was just
supposed to look funky after you throw it in somebody's
Hi,
Because some folks find that they are not subjectively sufficient to
explain everything they subjectively experience...
That would be more convincing if such people were to show evidence that
they understand what algorithmic processes are and can do. I'm almost
tempted to class such
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