DIS: Note to new players

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
I'm about to assign judges to some judicial cases. To start being assigned as a judge, you should announce that you become sitting (for B players, this is the equivalent of gaining the Ordained property). There is no penalty for failing to judge, nor for making an incorrect judgement in good

Re: DIS: Partnership models

2008-10-27 Thread ais523
Also, what about Bayes? Arguably also the PNP acts slightly like that; although it can be controlled democratically, it also does some things in an automated way. -- ais523 from Normish, probably this message will never arive as a result

DIS: Re: BUS: Caste increase

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 18:31 -0400, Benjamin Schultz wrote: On Oct 25, 2008, at 1:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spend E G# B to increase ehird's caste to Delta, unless this would violate the Note Exchange agreement. (I don't think it does, but this is from memory.) Also,

Re: DIS: Note to new players

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no penalty for failing to judge, Other than a possible criminal case for violating a SHALL?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 03:56, Ian Kelly wrote: Ironic. Oh? Not very. Messing with people's contracts from inside their framework is fine. Messing them up via proposal is not. -- ehird

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == CFJ 2238 == When a person performs an action that takes parameters, e must unambiguously specify the parameters. I proto-judge TRUE. When taking an action,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Oct 2008, at 13:10, Geoffrey Spear wrote: For practical reasons, such announcements SHOULD be avoided to prevent cascading of unknown-at-the-moment-but-platonically-unambiguous gamestate. tell that to comex

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 13:34, Geoffrey Spear wrote: comex: you shouldn't purposely make things difficult for the recordkeepors of badly-designed banks. The RBoA has exactly the same problem, except BobTHJ controls almost every currency it trades in anyway. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 13:10, Geoffrey Spear wrote: For practical reasons, such announcements SHOULD be avoided to prevent cascading of unknown-at-the-moment-but-platonically-unambiguous gamestate. tell that to comex -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I initiate an equity case against The Agoran Agricultural Association, specifying its list of parties as {{BobTHJ, Murphy, Wooble, comex, root, Taral, OscarMeyr, the AFO, Quazie, Pavitra, ais523, Teh Cltohed Mna, woggle,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 10:04 -0400, comex wrote: Note that I've already been well punished, losing 14 VP from that transaction, which is well-defined (the last VM report was a few days ago); there's no way that my holdings of any other asset is up to the exchange rate so the deposit-withdraw is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comex: you shouldn't purposely make things difficult for the recordkeepors of badly-designed banks. Well, I suppose BobTHJ is the recordkeepor of the RBoA, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. g

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case, any announcement that identifies the player, regardless of whether it does so by name, necessarily unambiguously specifies em; that the meaning of identify. I statement of the form I award a Bean to Wooble

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The RBoA has exactly the same problem, except BobTHJ controls almost every currency it trades in anyway. I think there's just a fundamental problem trading assets with different recordkeepors. I repeat that automation

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 14:28, comex wrote: I think there's just a fundamental problem trading assets with different recordkeepors. I repeat that automation would be nice-- one entity could effectively recordkeep all assets anyone cared to make, removing the current constraints on the asset system.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proto: Agora becomes a codenomic. Proto: PNP becomes the Accountor, someone besides me writes the code to make that work, and all contracts are amended to remove the recordkeepors of the assets they define.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 14:33, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Proto: PNP becomes the Accountor, someone besides me writes the code to make that work, and all contracts are amended to remove the recordkeepors of the assets they define. Proto: Agora absorbs PerlNomic. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: 5798 D 1 3.0 Goethe Toughen Ratifiation AGAINST. Without objection and with support is not a defined method of dependent actions. 'Without objection' is defined. 'with support' is defined. 'and' is defined. So why doesn't this work? (not

DIS: Re: BUS: Panel intent, CFJ 2203a

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: I intend to send the following on behalf of the judicial panel in CFJ 2203a, with the support of two of {woggle, Goethe, the CotC}: {{{ This panel REMANDs CFJ 2203. The judge is instructed to consider whether there were two plausible interpretations of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Panel intent, CFJ 2203a

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 09:19 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: I intend to send the following on behalf of the judicial panel in CFJ 2203a, with the support of two of {woggle, Goethe, the CotC}: {{{ This panel REMANDs CFJ 2203. The judge is instructed to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 13:47, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Oct 2008, at 20:26, Roger Hicks wrote: NOTE: After this withdraw I show the RBoA having 260 coins remaining. The PBA would seem to have a different figure. What's the difference? I dunno. I don't have your recent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 16:31, Roger Hicks wrote: The total amount of coins ais523 deposited during the Bank Run was 551, not 719. Incorrect. That was how much I thought. My program says otherwise. 2008-10-20 19:39 -- RBoA transfers ^275 to root. This was 250 coins, not 275. Nope. Again, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 16:35 +, Elliott Hird wrote: On 27 Oct 2008, at 16:31, Roger Hicks wrote: The total amount of coins ais523 deposited during the Bank Run was 551, not 719. Incorrect. That was how much I thought. My program says otherwise. (snip) I imagine your count is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Oct 2008, at 16:31, Roger Hicks wrote: The total amount of coins ais523 deposited during the Bank Run was 551, not 719. Incorrect. That was how much I thought. My program says otherwise. 2008-10-20 19:39 -- RBoA

DIS: Re: BUS: Paying off Taral

2008-10-27 Thread Taral
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, arguably a sender from Normish can be faked too, but I have to be able to participate somehow; apparently the building in which the email server that stores my email is housed was flooded by leaking pipes, and my email

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:34, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I initiate the following Bank Motion: { The RBoA agrees to the Portfolio Management Agreement. } Disapprove. There's absolutely no good reason for

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: The following sentence is a win announcement, and this sentence serves to clearly label it as one. ais523 has a score of at least 100. Therefore, by rule 2187, I satisfy the Winning Condition of High Score; I do not satisfy any Losing Conditions,

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2237 assigned to root

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2237 == CFJ 2237 == Warrigal is party to a public contract called the UNDAD

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Oct 2008, at 03:56, Ian Kelly wrote: Ironic. Oh? Not very. Messing with people's contracts from inside their framework is fine. Messing them up via proposal is not. Why? The whole point of making an R1728

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:47 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5799 D 1 2.0 comex Fix Rule 1789 AGAINST. Didn't we already adopt this? Its voting period was extended due to lack of quorum. I vote FOR. What I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:06, Ian Kelly wrote: Why? The whole point of making an R1728 contract is to let the contract be governed by Agora. Messing with things by proposal is a long tradition in Agora. It'd help if this were actually interesting. Even comex doesn't approve eir own

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Elliott Hird Messing with people's contracts from inside their framework is fine. Messing them up via proposal is not. Why? The whole point of making an R1728 contract is to let the contract be governed by Agora.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out. I note that if I didn't have to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is annoying, which is why we put it up to power-2 protected. If it's still too annoying, you could propose a bump up to power-3. (Though I'd like to kill that annoying PRS first). -G. What's so annoying about the PRS?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:13, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on time, ehird would have been able

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Taral
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's so annoying about the PRS? Personally I think it should have been a Rule. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:13 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is an excellent reason to uphold the specific precedent and make such crazy transactions much more difficult. Personally I think CFJ 1307 was wrongly decided. It hinges on the M-W dictionary using only explicitly in the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Oct 2008, at 14:33, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Proto: PNP becomes the Accountor, someone besides me writes the code to make that work, and all contracts are amended to remove the recordkeepors of the assets they define.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 26 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: 5798 D 1 3.0 Goethe Toughen Ratifiation AGAINST. Without objection and with support is not a defined method of dependent actions. 'Without objection' is defined. 'with

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:33, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proto: Agora becomes a codenomic. Proto: PNP becomes the Accountor, someone besides me writes the code to make that work, and all contracts are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is annoying, which is why we put it up to power-2 protected. If it's still too annoying, you could propose a bump up to power-3. (Though I'd like to kill that annoying PRS first). -G. Yes, messing with contracts is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:06, Ian Kelly wrote: Why? The whole point of making an R1728 contract is to let the contract be governed by Agora. Messing with things by proposal is a long tradition in Agora. It'd help if this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This compound method isn't one of the methods listed in R1728(a). The paragraph does say at least one of the following methods, but I think that just means that the rules can define multiple methods for performing the same

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is annoying, which is why we put it up to power-2 protected. If it's still too annoying, you could propose a bump up to power-3. (Though I'd like to kill that annoying PRS first).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: This compound method isn't one of the methods listed in R1728(a). The paragraph does say at least one of the following methods, but I think that just means that the rules can define multiple methods for performing the same dependent action, not that an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is annoying, which is why we put it up to power-2 protected. If it's still too annoying, you could propose a bump up to power-3. (Though I'd like to kill that annoying PRS first).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:43, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is annoying, which is why we put it up to power-2 protected. If it's still too annoying, you could propose a bump

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:48, Roger Hicks wrote: Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by proposal. Then vote against the mental health act. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: Yet my proposed changes to the PRS to limit its economic point-trading abuse potential were shot down. That doesn't help. You made those as within-contest change attempts while you elevated to contest based on Proposal, so are using different standards.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:52, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:48, Roger Hicks wrote: Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by proposal. Then vote against the mental health act. I thought it had no effect? (due to Power)? BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5806

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 19:17, warrigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:27 PM, warrigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend, without objection, to terminate the Llama Party. It's clearly unfair on BobTHJ to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 16:44, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008-10-20 19:39 -- RBoA transfers ^275 to root. root clearly specifies in eir e-mail that e is withdrawing 250 coins. I believe I have 4337 chits. I withdraw 394 coins for 4334 chits; if I have fewer chits than 4334, then I withdraw as many

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 12:03 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:52, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:48, Roger Hicks wrote: Then vote against the mental health act. I thought it had no effect? (due to Power)? It can't modify contracts, but it can

DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 16:11, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the PBA. Comex had the following assets at the time of this message: 25VP CROPS VOUCHERS FARMER 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X WRV

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 16:40, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew 2 5-crops for ^39, withdrew 7 1-crops for ^112, and finally withdrew a 2-crop for ^27. That

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: This compound method isn't one of the methods listed in R1728(a). The paragraph does say at least one of the following methods, but I think that just means that the rules can define

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 18:17, Roger Hicks wrote: ehird, this is the message of root's I am referring to. OK. Will process On 27 Oct 2008, at 01:34, warrigal wrote: I do this 30 times: if I have more than 50 VP, I deposit 1 VP for at least 15 coins. bobthj, please tell me how many vp

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Ian Kelly wrote: I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew 2 5-crops for ^39, withdrew 7 1-crops for ^112, and finally withdrew a 2-crop for ^27. That adds up to ^154.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:23, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Ian Kelly wrote: I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew 2 5-crops for ^39, withdrew 7 1-crops for ^112,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: I agree that it's perfectly clear what's intended. But R1728 isn't looking for extension, it's looking for one of those three method schemata, period, and if the method doesn't match, then R1728 doesn't apply to it. Since R1728 is the only rule that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 11:30 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: I agree that it's perfectly clear what's intended. But R1728 isn't looking for extension, it's looking for one of those three method schemata, period, and if the method doesn't match, then R1728

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 18:26, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:23, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Ian Kelly wrote: I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew 2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread warrigal
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Messing with people's contracts from inside their framework is fine. Messing them up via proposal is not. Why? The whole point of making an R1728

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: I agree that it's perfectly clear what's intended. But R1728 isn't looking for extension, it's looking for one of those three method schemata, period, and if the method doesn't match,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:50 PM, warrigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Messing with people's contracts from inside their framework is fine. Messing them up

Re: DIS: Proto-contest: The Cylons of Battlestar Agora

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
So there is no interest in this? What if it were based upon a different game? -root On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is a proto-contest. Kudos to the Werewolves of Agora Nomic contest for providing templating. 1a) The name of this public

Re: DIS: Proto-contest: The Cylons of Battlestar Agora

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 13:13, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there is no interest in this? What if it were based upon a different game? Sounds interesting to me initially (though I haven't yet read the rules of the board game). BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by proposal. This was intended to be part of a scam that I later realized wouldn't work (and in truth had little to do with the PBA). What was it?

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS changes

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: with: The total number of points a player MAY award in a given week is equal to 5 times the number of first-class players who are members of contracts for which e is contestmaster. Points up to this total CAN be awarded by a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 13:29, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by proposal. This was intended to be part of a scam that I later realized wouldn't work (and in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, comex wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I publish official report X, which if ratified would make me dictator. I intend to (ratify X without objection), with support. I cause Player B, on whose behalf I can act, to support this.

DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 19:34, warrigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:11 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the PBA. I withdraw all

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:28 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there's no reason R1728 shouldn't support with-support-without-objection generally. (Goethe, was it intended to?) Proposal: Allow multiple methods (AI=2) Amend Rule 1728 by replacing method in item b) with methods. That's

DIS: Speaking of trusting scripts...

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
...pba.py was _awarding_ people for deposits. Feel free to kill me. New report pushed. comex is less of a crazily- rich person and such. BobTHJ: you want to read it. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5807-5821

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: I leave the Llama Party. With only Warrigal as a party, it thus dissolves. This probably invalidates your votes of SLAMA(2VP) on 5803-05 and LLAMA(F) on 5806.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:41, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Processed, new proto-PBA report online. Is it correct? Does the RBoA still have too many coins? is the comex stuff right? comex seems to have way too many coins after buying all eir assets back (1468?). Since Warrigal

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by proposal. This was intended to be part of a scam that I later realized wouldn't work (and in truth had little to do with the PBA). And what scam was that, then?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 19:54, Roger Hicks wrote: comex seems to have way too many coins after buying all eir assets back (1468?). Since Warrigal potentially deposited as many as 23 VP in the PBA (a transaction that is missing from your report) prior to comex's withdrawing as many as possible, it is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 19:56, Ed Murphy wrote: And what scam was that, then? He says he's going to try it again, so I doubt he'll tell you. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Note to new players

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no penalty for failing to judge, Other than a possible criminal case for violating a SHALL? Sorry, you're right; you have a week to either judge (earning a Note with which you can eventually buy extra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out. I note that if I didn't have to spend several hours each day sorting out crazy

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, and milling

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:34, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I PBA-withdraw: four 3 crops, I think this costs ^34; three 7 crops, I think this costs ^24; a 4 crop, I think this costs ^6. Due to the failure of some of these (I missed this in my recordkeeping)... I mill 3*7=X and 3*7=X,

DIS: up to date

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
pba proto-report up to date, bobthj: please read -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: When will you RBoA guys learn?

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:51, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I PBA-withdraw two 0 crops for ^3+^4 = ^7. I RBoA-deposit two 0 crops for 25*2=50 Chits. I PBA-withdraw 8 Coins for 48 Chits. -- ehird, we have some trouble with the above transaction. You claim ais523 was unable to withdraw

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: When will you RBoA guys learn?

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:25, Roger Hicks wrote: ehird, we have some trouble with the above transaction. You claim ais523 was unable to withdraw any 0 crops because e didn't have enough coins. If that is the case then e didn't have any 0 crops to deposit into the RBoA, and as a result would only

DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 15:52, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I PBA-withdraw 2 4 crop. I PBA-withdraw 2 7 crops. I missed these, and therefore goofed up this transaction. I mill 4 * 8 = X. I mill 4 / 7 = X. I mill 4 / 7 = X. I mill 3 - 4 = X. I mill 3 + 7 = X. So this last

DIS: Re: BUS: banking

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:30, Geoffrey Spear wrote: And a 4 crop. I think this leaves me with 1 coin, which I transfer to the PNP. It leaves you with 25, now 24 coins. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I initiate an equity case regarding the PRS, whose parties are ehird, BobTHJ, comex, Murphy, Quazie, Wooble, Pavitra, ais523, and root. ais523 should only have gotten 1 point from the above cashout since e only had 1 PV. He

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: On 27 Oct 2008, at 14:28, comex wrote: I think there's just a fundamental problem trading assets with different recordkeepors. I repeat that automation would be nice-- one entity could effectively recordkeep all assets anyone cared to make, removing the current constraints on

DIS: Re: BUS: Last week's Enigma results

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murphy: uuduuuduuddududududuudu I award Murphy 4 points. Wooble: uudududu I award Murphy 4 points. I think you just awarded Murphy 8 points and Wooble 0. -root

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:52, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following sentence is a win announcement, and this sentence serves to clearly label it as one. ais523 has a score of at least 100. Therefore, by rule 2187, I satisfy the Winning Condition of High Score; I do not satisfy

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, milling

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 13:58 -0700, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^9. The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^10. Using the Mill with the first name in alphabetical order out of eir non-In Production Addition Mills, the PNP mills 1 + 1 =

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:52, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following sentence is a win announcement, and this sentence serves to clearly label it as one. ais523 has a score of at least 100. Therefore, by rule 2187, I satisfy the Winning

DIS: Re: BUS: Blah

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 13:59, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I transfer one 0 crop to the AFO. Fails, you have none. The AFO transfers one 0 crop to the PBA. Still works. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 15:07, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:52, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following sentence is a win announcement, and this sentence serves to clearly label it as one. ais523 has a score

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, milling

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:58, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^9. The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^10. Using the Mill with the first name in alphabetical order out of eir non-In Production Addition Mills, the PNP mills 1 + 1 = 2. The PNP

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:07 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:52, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following sentence is a win announcement, and this sentence serves to clearly label it as one. ais523 has a score of at least

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:07 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: As is, I don't think there's a lot that can be done. The PRS was acting not-in-accordance-with-expectations due to a mistake, so that can be solved equitably, but the gamestate will have changed a lot

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Kerim Aydin wrote: I agree that criminal proceedings aren't reasonable, I'm more thinking of the equity; what is an equitable solution to making a mistake that resets all other members' points? ps. Maybe equity would be me putting a big word ILLEGAL next to the win

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 18:02, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I join the PBA. I PBA-deposit all my 6 crops (I think this gets me ^156). I missed this deposit the first time around (sorry ehird!). Murphy only had seven 7 crops to deposit, not 8. This effects the following subsequent PBA

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