DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread 0x44
The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: This distribution of proposal 5822 initiates the Agoran Decisions on whether to adopt it. The eligible voters for ordinary proposals are the active players, the eligible voters for democratic proposals are the active first-class players, and the vote collector is

DIS: Re: BUS: pba

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 17:47, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The AFO gives me a 0 crop. I PBA-deposit a 0 crop. I PBA-withdraw a > Point Voucher. I give a Point Voucher to the AFO. > The PV withdraw and subsequent transfer fail. All PV were destroyed when ais523 won. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Centralized Offices

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 28/10/2008, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 18:15, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On 28 Oct 2008, at 00:02, Ed Murphy wrote: >> >>> Good luck getting the proposal to pass, then. >> >> >> You may note that this is a response to the proponents of o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Centralized Offices

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > On 28 Oct 2008, at 00:02, Ed Murphy wrote: > >> Good luck getting the proposal to pass, then. > > > You may note that this is a response to the proponents of one person > recordkeeping all > the currencies. Centralizing currency recordkeeping is an entirely different beast fro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Centralized Offices

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 18:15, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 28 Oct 2008, at 00:02, Ed Murphy wrote: > >> Good luck getting the proposal to pass, then. > > > You may note that this is a response to the proponents of one person > recordkeeping all > the currencies. > You don't have

DIS: Re: BUS: ehird the willing

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 17:33, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 23:30 +, Elliott Hird wrote: >> On 27 Oct 2008, at 23:27, comex wrote: >> >> > I nominate ehird for Accountor. >> >> I decline. >> > I nominate root for Accountor, on the basis that e's the Conductor an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Centralized Offices

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 28 Oct 2008, at 00:02, Ed Murphy wrote: Good luck getting the proposal to pass, then. You may note that this is a response to the proponents of one person recordkeeping all the currencies. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Centralized Offices

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > On 27 Oct 2008, at 23:31, comex wrote: > >> Can you implement all the roles of all offices in a completely >> automated system without too much hassle on normal game actions? > > > I will leave the work of thinking about that to the Speaker. Good luck getting the proposal to pas

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Centralized Offices

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 23:31, comex wrote: Can you implement all the roles of all offices in a completely automated system without too much hassle on normal game actions? I will leave the work of thinking about that to the Speaker. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Taral
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ais523 can't return the point, so an equitable resolution would be to > award each other party 1 free point as well. ;-) No. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you."

DIS: Re: BUS: Centralized Offices

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proposal: It's convenient Can you implement all the roles of all offices in a completely automated system without too much hassle on normal game actions?

Re: DIS: State of the Economy

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 17:22 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 17:12, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Elliott Hird > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Also, you have too much power as is. > > > > What about a netural third party of some kind? R

Re: DIS: State of the Economy

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 17:12, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Also, you have too much power as is. > > What about a netural third party of some kind? Recordkeepors could > become something more like auditors, verifyin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > Gratuitous arguments: I identified the contract as the one named UNDEAD. > If that contract doesn't exist, clearly the intent fails. If there's one that has that name, but don't know it exists, have you "clearly" identified it? If there's more than one t

Re: DIS: State of the Economy

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 17:07, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> ehird, in preparation for an automated system that handles all >>> economic currencies, would you be willing to transfer recordkeeping >>> for the PBA to

Re: DIS: State of the Economy

2008-10-27 Thread Taral
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, you have too much power as is. What about a netural third party of some kind? Recordkeepors could become something more like auditors, verifying that entered transactions actually match their interpretation of the ema

Re: DIS: State of the Economy

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 23:07, comex wrote: Oh, my. The main benefits of an automated system are only apparent when there's one recordkeepor of everything... I am a fan of decentralization. Besides, I don't see how a batch mail- submission imported directly into my program would affect things m

Re: DIS: State of the Economy

2008-10-27 Thread Taral
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The PBA, RBoA, AAA, VM, Scorekeepors, and Accountors reports are now > all in agreement. I just sent the latest AAA report to a-b, though it > is being held for moderator approval due to size (I once more request > Taral to b

Re: DIS: State of the Economy

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ehird, in preparation for an automated system that handles all >> economic currencies, would you be willing to transfer recordkeeping >> for the PBA to me? > I'm going to have to decline. I am quite happy with recordkeeping

Re: DIS: State of the Economy

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 22:57, Roger Hicks wrote: ehird, in preparation for an automated system that handles all economic currencies, would you be willing to transfer recordkeeping for the PBA to me? I'm going to have to decline. I am quite happy with recordkeeping the PBA, however, I would be

DIS: Re: BUS: Artistry (5 VP!)

2008-10-27 Thread comex
Ping. I can still take one more Artist, or two if ehird leaves, to influence some future distribution. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:44 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I join the following contract: > [Basically, vote FOR*1 on AI=1 proposals in a distribution, and get 5 VP.] > { > 1. Before th

DIS: State of the Economy

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
The PBA, RBoA, AAA, VM, Scorekeepors, and Accountors reports are now all in agreement. I just sent the latest AAA report to a-b, though it is being held for moderator approval due to size (I once more request Taral to bump the size limit from 40kb to something a little larger, say 400kb?). ehird,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 18:15 -0400, comex wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You may need it, but it doesn't mean that you can compel it or that you're > > going to get it. -Goethe. > > Then the CotC is just going to have to assign CFJ 2223. But t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You may need it, but it doesn't mean that you can compel it or that you're > going to get it. -Goethe. Then the CotC is just going to have to assign CFJ 2223.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, comex wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Errata >> -- >> CFJ 2223 was not initiated because the UNDEAD contract either doesn't >> exist, or ais523 is not a party to it and it is not a pledge. (TODO: >> if no evidence of pledg

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, milling

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 22:03, Roger Hicks wrote: Prior to this the PNP only owned 3 crops, so it appears as if the entire transaction fails. OK. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 21:58, comex wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Errata -- CFJ 2223 was not initiated because the UNDEAD contract either doesn't exist, or ais523 is not a party to it and it is not a pledge. (TODO: if no evidence of pledgehood by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, milling

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 15:01, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:58, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: > >> The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^9. >> The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^10. >> Using the Mill with the first name in alphabetical orde

DIS: Re: BUS: banking

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 14:49, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 5 6 crops [^80] > > I deposit 9 1 crops in the PBA. This should net me 126 coins. > I withdraw 5 6 crops for 105 coins. > As previously stated you are onl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 14:07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BobTHJ wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on >>> time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out. >>> >> I no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 21:36, Roger Hicks wrote: I missed this deposit the first time around (sorry ehird!). Murphy only had seven 7 crops to deposit, not 8. This effects the following subsequent PBA withdraw by comex: 2008-10-27 20:49 -- comex deposits 9 1 crops for ^117. comex withdraws 5 6 crops

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> I agree that criminal proceedings aren't reasonable, I'm more thinking of >> the equity; what is an "equitable" solution to making a mistake that >> resets all other members' poin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 18:02, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I join the PBA. > I PBA-deposit all my 6 crops (I think this gets me ^156). I missed this deposit the first time around (sorry ehird!). Murphy only had seven 7 crops to deposit, not 8. This effects the following subsequent PBA wi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:24 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:07 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > As is, I don't think there's a lot that can be done. The PRS was acting > > not-in-accordance-with-expectations due to a mistake, so that can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 21:24, Kerim Aydin wrote: I agree that criminal proceedings aren't reasonable, I'm more thinking of the equity; what is an "equitable" solution to making a mistake that resets all other members' points? I'm not too bothered with "gamestate changing" issues, equity is mo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I agree that criminal proceedings aren't reasonable, I'm more thinking of > the equity; what is an "equitable" solution to making a mistake that > resets all other members' points? ps. Maybe equity would be me putting a big word ILLEGAL next to the w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:07 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > As is, I don't think there's a lot that can be done. The PRS was acting > not-in-accordance-with-expectations due to a mistake, so that can be > solved equitably, but the gamestate will have changed a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 14:07 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:52, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The following sentence is a win announcement, and this sentence serves > >> to clearly label it as one. ais523 has a score of

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, milling

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:58, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^9. The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^10. Using the Mill with the first name in alphabetical order out of eir non-In Production Addition Mills, the PNP mills 1 + 1 = 2. The PNP d

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 15:07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:52, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> The following sentence is a win announcement, and this sentence serves >>> to clearly label it as one. ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Blah

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 13:59, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I transfer one 0 crop to the AFO. Fails, you have none. > The AFO transfers one 0 crop to the PBA. Still works. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:52, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The following sentence is a win announcement, and this sentence serves >> to clearly label it as one. ais523 has a score of at least 100. >> >> Therefore, by rule 2187, I satisfy the W

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, milling

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 13:58 -0700, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: > The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^9. > The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^10. > Using the Mill with the first name in alphabetical order out of eir > non-In Production Addition Mills, the PNP mills 1 + 1

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:52, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The following sentence is a win announcement, and this sentence serves > to clearly label it as one. ais523 has a score of at least 100. > > Therefore, by rule 2187, I satisfy the Winning Condition of High Score; > I do not sati

DIS: Re: BUS: Last week's Enigma results

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Murphy: uuduuuduuddududududuudu > I award Murphy 4 points. > Wooble: uudududu > I award Murphy 4 points. I think you just awarded Murphy 8 points and Wooble 0. -root

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > On 27 Oct 2008, at 14:28, comex wrote: > >> I think there's just a fundamental problem trading assets with >> different recordkeepors. I repeat that automation would be nice-- one >> entity could effectively recordkeep all assets anyone cared to make, >> removing the current const

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS Cashout

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I initiate an equity case regarding the PRS, whose parties are ehird, > BobTHJ, comex, Murphy, Quazie, Wooble, Pavitra, ais523, and root. > ais523 should only have gotten 1 point from the above cashout since e > only had 1 PV

DIS: Re: BUS: banking

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:30, Geoffrey Spear wrote: And a 4 crop. I think this leaves me with 1 coin, which I transfer to the PNP. It leaves you with 25, now 24 coins. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 15:52, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I PBA-withdraw 2 4 crop. > I PBA-withdraw 2 7 crops. I missed these, and therefore goofed up this transaction. > > I mill 4 * 8 = X. > > I mill 4 / 7 = X. > > I mill 4 / 7 = X. > > I mill 3 - 4 = X. > > I mill 3 + 7 = X. So

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: When will you RBoA guys learn?

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:25, Roger Hicks wrote: ehird, we have some trouble with the above transaction. You claim ais523 was unable to withdraw any 0 crops because e didn't have enough coins. If that is the case then e didn't have any 0 crops to deposit into the RBoA, and as a result would only hav

DIS: Re: BUS: When will you RBoA guys learn?

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:51, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I PBA-withdraw two 0 crops for ^3+^4 = ^7. > I RBoA-deposit two 0 crops for 25*2=50 Chits. > I PBA-withdraw 8 Coins for 48 Chits. > -- ehird, we have some trouble with the above transaction. You claim ais523 was unable to withdr

DIS: up to date

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
pba proto-report up to date, bobthj: please read -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, and milling

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:34, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I PBA-withdraw: > four 3 crops, I think this costs ^34; > three 7 crops, I think this costs ^24; > a 4 crop, I think this costs ^6. Due to the failure of some of these (I missed this in my recordkeeping)... > I mill 3*7=X and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on >> time, ehird would have been able to easily figure this out. >> > I note that if I didn't have to spend several hours each day sorting > out crazy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 19:56, Ed Murphy wrote: And what scam was that, then? He says he's going to try it again, so I doubt he'll tell you. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Note to new players

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There is no penalty for failing to judge, > > Other than a possible criminal case for violating a SHALL? Sorry, you're right; you have a week to either judge (earning a Note with which you can eventually buy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 19:54, Roger Hicks wrote: comex seems to have way too many coins after buying all eir assets back (1468?). Since Warrigal potentially deposited as many as 23 VP in the PBA (a transaction that is missing from your report) prior to comex's withdrawing as many as possible, it is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by > proposal. This was intended to be part of a scam that I later realized > wouldn't work (and in truth had little to do with the PBA). And what scam was that, then?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:41, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Processed, new proto-PBA report online. Is it correct? Does the RBoA still > have too > many coins? is the comex stuff right? > comex seems to have way too many coins after buying all eir assets back (1468?). Since Warrigal po

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5807-5821

2008-10-27 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > I leave the Llama Party. With only Warrigal as a party, it thus dissolves. This probably invalidates your votes of SLAMA(2VP) on 5803-05 and LLAMA(F) on 5806.

DIS: Speaking of trusting scripts...

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
...pba.py was _awarding_ people for deposits. Feel free to kill me. New report pushed. comex is less of a crazily- rich person and such. BobTHJ: you want to read it. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:28 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But there's no reason R1728 shouldn't support > with-support-without-objection generally. (Goethe, was it intended > to?) > > Proposal: Allow multiple methods (AI=2) > Amend Rule 1728 by replacing "method" in item b) with "methods

DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 19:34, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 6:11 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the >>> PBA. >> >> I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, comex wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I publish official report X, which if ratified would make me dictator. >> I intend to (ratify X without objection), with support. >> I cause Player B, on whose behalf I can act, to support

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 13:29, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by >> proposal. This was intended to be part of a scam that I later realized >> wouldn't wor

DIS: Re: BUS: PRS changes

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > with: > The total number of points a player MAY award in a given week > is equal to 5 times the number of first-class players who are > members of contracts for which e is contestmaster. Points up to > this total CAN be awarded by a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by > proposal. This was intended to be part of a scam that I later realized > wouldn't work (and in truth had little to do with the PBA). What was it?

Re: DIS: Proto-contest: The Cylons of Battlestar Agora

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 13:13, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So there is no interest in this? What if it were based upon a different game? > Sounds interesting to me initially (though I haven't yet read the rules of the board game). BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Proto-contest: The Cylons of Battlestar Agora

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
So there is no interest in this? What if it were based upon a different game? -root On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The following is a proto-contest. Kudos to the Werewolves of Agora > Nomic contest for providing templating. > > 1a) The name of this publ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:50 PM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Elliott Hird >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Messing with people's contracts from inside their framework is fine. >>> >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >> I agree that it's perfectly clear what's intended. But R1728 isn't >> looking for extension, it's looking for one of those three method >> schemata, period, and if the method doesn

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread warrigal
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Messing with people's contracts from inside their framework is fine. >> >> Messing them up via proposal is not. > > Why? The whole point of making a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 18:26, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:23, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Ian Kelly wrote: I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 11:30 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > > I agree that it's perfectly clear what's intended. But R1728 isn't > > looking for extension, it's looking for one of those three method > > schemata, period, and if the method doesn't match, then R17

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > I agree that it's perfectly clear what's intended. But R1728 isn't > looking for extension, it's looking for one of those three method > schemata, period, and if the method doesn't match, then R1728 doesn't > apply to it. Since R1728 is the only rule that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:23, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 >> VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew 2 >> 5-crops for ^39, withdrew 7 1-crops fo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 22 Oct 2008, at 23:40, Ian Kelly wrote: I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew 2 5-crops for ^39, withdrew 7 1-crops for ^112, and finally withdrew a 2-crop for ^27. That adds up to ^154. BobTHJ..

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 18:17, Roger Hicks wrote: ehird, this is the message of root's I am referring to. OK. Will process On 27 Oct 2008, at 01:34, warrigal wrote: I do this 30 times: if I have more than 50 VP, I deposit 1 VP for at least 15 coins. bobthj, please tell me how many vp warriga

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >> This compound method isn't one of the methods listed in R1728(a). The >> paragraph does say "at least one of the following methods", but I >> think that just means that the rules c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking/Farming

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 16:40, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I withdrew ^250 from the RBoA, withdrew 2 1-crops for ^23, withdrew 6 > VP for ^63, deposited several note credits for ^168, withdrew 2 > 5-crops for ^39, withdrew 7 1-crops for ^112, and finally withdrew a > 2-crop for ^27. Tha

DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 16:11, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I deposit all of my non-fixed assets which have an exchange rate into the PBA. > Comex had the following assets at the time of this message: 25VP CROPS & VOUCHERS FARMER 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X WRV --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 12:03 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:52, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:48, Roger Hicks wrote: > > Then vote against the mental health act. > I thought it had no effect? (due to Power)? It can't modify contracts, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 16:44, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008-10-20 19:39 -- RBoA transfers ^275 to root. root clearly specifies in eir e-mail that e is withdrawing 250 coins. > I believe I have 4337 chits. I withdraw 394 coins for 4334 chits; if > I have fewer chits than 4334, then I withdraw as man

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5806

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 19:17, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:27 PM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I intend, without objection, to terminate the Llama Party. It's clearly >>> unfair

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:52, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:48, Roger Hicks wrote: > >> Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by >> proposal. > > > Then vote against the mental health act. > I thought it had no effect? (due to Power)?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > Yet my proposed changes to the PRS to limit its economic point-trading > abuse potential were shot down. That doesn't help. You made those as within-contest change attempts while you elevated to contest based on Proposal, so are using different standards

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5822

2008-10-27 Thread Elliott Hird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:48, Roger Hicks wrote: Just to clarify: I really don't want to see the demise of the PBA by proposal. Then vote against the mental health act. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:43, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> It is annoying, which is why we put it up to power-2 protected. If it's >>> still too annoying, you could p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It is annoying, which is why we put it up to power-2 protected. If it's >> still too annoying, you could propose a bump up to power-3. (Though >> I'd like to kill that annoying PRS

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > This compound method isn't one of the methods listed in R1728(a). The > paragraph does say "at least one of the following methods", but I > think that just means that the rules can define multiple methods for > performing the same dependent action, not that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It is annoying, which is why we put it up to power-2 protected. If it's >> still too annoying, you could propose a bump up to power-3. (Though >> I'd like to kill that annoying PRS

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This compound method isn't one of the methods listed in R1728(a). The > paragraph does say "at least one of the following methods", but I > think that just means that the rules can define multiple methods for > performing the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:06, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> Why? The whole point of making an R1728 contract is to let the >> contract be governed by Agora. Messing with things by proposal is a >> long tradition in Agora. > > > It'd

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is annoying, which is why we put it up to power-2 protected. If it's > still too annoying, you could propose a bump up to power-3. (Though > I'd like to kill that annoying PRS first). -G. Yes, messing with contracts i

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:33, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Proto: Agora becomes a codenomic. > > Proto: PNP becomes the Accountor, someone besides me writes the code > to make that work, and all contracts

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >>> 5798 D 1 3.0 Goethe Toughen Ratifiation >> AGAINST. "Without objection and with support" is not a defined method >> of dependent actions. > > 'Without objection' is d

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2238 assigned to Wooble

2008-10-27 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 27 Oct 2008, at 14:33, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > >> Proto: PNP becomes the Accountor, someone besides me writes the code >> to make that work, and all contracts are amended to remove the >> recordkeepors of the assets they

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:13 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which is an excellent reason to uphold the "specific" precedent and > make such crazy transactions much more difficult. Personally I think CFJ 1307 was wrongly decided. It hinges on the M-W dictionary using only "explicitly" in t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Down with the PBA! er...

2008-10-27 Thread Taral
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's so annoying about the PRS? Personally I think it should have been a Rule. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hi ehird

2008-10-27 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:13, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:04, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I note that if BobTHJ had fulfilled eir contract-defined duties on >>> time, ehird would

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