DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Stately Officiation

2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
A quick word of explanation: This is completely cosmetic. However, it was pointed out at the time that this was adopted was that this was confusing, and I agree. It's long, and the word "officially" is really confusing, given that "timely fashion" is also used mostly for official duties. This is

Re: DIS: [Proto] Equation (equity cases)

2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 8:56 PM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Monday, 8 June 2020, 04:43:19 GMT+1, Aris Merchant via > agora-discussion wrote: > > * EQUATE {X}, where X is a body of text, appropriate if the situation > > is inequitable and X

Re: DIS: [Proto] Equation (equity cases)

2020-06-07 Thread Alex Smith via agora-discussion
On Monday, 8 June 2020, 04:43:19 GMT+1, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > * EQUATE {X}, where X is a body of text, appropriate if the situation > is inequitable and X includes changes that would make the situation more > equitable, and only such changes. After the judgement has been >

DIS: [Proto] Equation (equity cases)

2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Here's my proto for generalized equity cases. I expect that there will be a bunch of screaming, but it's minimalistic and leaves working out the details of what equity means in practice to case law. Moots provide a sufficient safeguard against abuses. -Aris --- Title: Equation Adoption index: 2.0

Re: DIS: [Proto] Judicial Diversification

2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:55 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:55 AM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 10:40 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:26:22 PM CDT Nch via agora-business wrote: > Test message, please ignore. Sorry about sending something unnecessary to > a-b, but not entirely sure how to test this problem otherwise. This was > sent from protonmail's web client to see if it would still happen here. This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/7/20 10:15 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > Is it only happening when I switch to a different mailing list in a thread? > KMail might be erasing those headers if I manually change the TO address. Yep, it appears so. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 7:10:53 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/20 6:35 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2020-06-07 14:07, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > >> My thunderbird install isn't threading some of nch's messages correctly. > >> Is this is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 2:12 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 8:55 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Just conceptually switches could be replaced with variables. Most of our > > player-base probably has a passing understanding of

Re: DIS: [Proto] Judicial Diversification

2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:55 AM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 10:40 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > On 6/7/2020 10:35 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly Report

2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
cool, I can't resolve these intents anyway as I am notary no longer On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 3:21 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:12 PM Rebecca via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I intend to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/7/20 6:35 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-06-07 14:07, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> My thunderbird install isn't threading some of nch's messages correctly. >> Is this is happening for anybody else? > How interesting. I hadn't noticed this happening, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
Aris, I for one really appreciate what you've done for Agora. I admire the time and effort you have put into the game over the years. I, too, thought you were much older than you are just due to your maturity. I've thought of you as a staple of the community since I joined. Serious congrats on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-06-07 13:02, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: (1) use natural switches - current solution, bad metaphor; (2) use currencies - I think that's a bad fit, we don't really want to treat these quantities as tradable objects and we want to include negative karma, so with an even "worse"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures

2020-06-07 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-06-07 14:07, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: My thunderbird install isn't threading some of nch's messages correctly. Is this is happening for anybody else? How interesting. I hadn't noticed this happening, but after switching to Conversation view, it appears that eir messages

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Alex Smith via agora-discussion
On Sunday, 7 June 2020, 22:38:30 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > Oh those are really pretty simple too, chess-level simple or simpler (with > > some edge cases that come up as you go). > > My experience learning Diplomacy was that the although rules are short > and seem

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Executive Expansion

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 19:29, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:24 PM James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > > - Imprimatur: The Prime Minister acts on behalf of the vote collector > > > of an Agoran Decision to resolve that decision. > > Also

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> Oh those are really pretty simple too, chess-level simple or simpler (with > some edge cases that come up as you go). My experience learning Diplomacy was that the although rules are short and seem simple, I found out about new (to me) edge cases constantly. I love the game but I think the rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures

2020-06-07 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:08 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/7/20 4:03 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 3:00:13 PM CDT nch via agora-discussion wrote: > >> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:07:17 AM CDT nch via agora-business wrote: > >>> With the consent

Re: DIS: [Protos] Rule Violation Options

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 06:26, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:14 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > > > On 6/6/2020 9:33 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> E.g. "Certain actions are defined as infractions - these incur

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/7/20 4:03 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 3:00:13 PM CDT nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:07:17 AM CDT nch via agora-business wrote: >>> With the consent of all NAX members, I intend to append the following to >>> the NAX contract: >>>

DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:07:17 AM CDT nch via agora-business wrote: > With the consent of all NAX members, I intend to append the following to the > NAX contract: > > { > > PART VII: Self Amendment > > Any trader CAN change the text of the contract by announcement if e has > specified in an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Improved Amendment Procedures

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/7/20 4:00 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > I consent to this change. Having the consent of all three members, I make the > above described change. NttPF. -- Jason Cobb

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Administrative Reforms

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> eir's own office's Administrative Regulations. Administrative Regulations Still not quite there : ) eir's

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 12:36 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > > Remind me what an FRC is? > Fantasy Rules Committee, which is a specialty nomic (specialty in that it is limited to one core type of game play), that has been running longer than Agora (currently as a google group). Their rules are

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/7/2020 10:49 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: I like FRCs, and I have really enjoyed that in the past, but I also think that we should try to be experimental with tournaments given the limited frequency with which

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 10:54 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: I believe it's time to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Executive Expansion

2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:24 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > > - Imprimatur: The Prime Minister acts on behalf of the vote collector > > of an Agoran Decision to resolve that decision. > > It worries me that this doesn't say how the decision is resolved. It still works by the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Executive Expansion

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> - Imprimatur: The Prime Minister acts on behalf of the vote collector > of an Agoran Decision to resolve that decision. It worries me that this doesn't say how the decision is resolved. Also is power 2 high enough to do this? Sorry, didn't notice this until reviewing proposals to vote

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Executive Expansion

2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:20 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > > - Corram Vobis: The Prime Minister enters a specified case, the current > > judgement of which was assigned within the past quarter, into Moot. > > Should that be "Coram Nobis" > They're essentially synonyms used

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Executive Expansion

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> - Corram Vobis: The Prime Minister enters a specified case, the current > judgement of which was assigned within the past quarter, into Moot. Should that be "Coram Nobis" - Falsifian

Re: DIS: Github Request

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/7/20 3:01 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > Could whoever has the power to add me as an owner on the Agora group? I don't > have push access to a bunch of repos which will slow down some things I might > want to do as Webmastor, such as update headers across webpages. > Done. --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> (1) use natural switches - current solution, bad metaphor; > > (2) use currencies - I think that's a bad fit, we don't really want to > treat these quantities as tradable objects and we want to include negative > karma, so with an even "worse" metaphor IMO; > > (3) invent something new in

DIS: Github Request

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
Could whoever has the power to add me as an owner on the Agora group? I don't have push access to a bunch of repos which will slow down some things I might want to do as Webmastor, such as update headers across webpages. -- nch

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 11:15 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 2:10 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/7/2020 11:07 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: >>> On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English

Re: DIS: [Proto] Judicial Diversification

2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 10:40 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 10:35 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 01:09, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >> This is intended to lay the groundwork

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3837 Judged FALSE by grok

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 11:15 AM, grok via agora-business wrote: > > COE: I ruled this CFJ "IRRELEVANT"> Urk I copied over caller's arguments twice and totally lost your actual arguments before filling in the summary - admitted.

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 2:10 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/7/2020 11:07 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > >> Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English > >> (e was active

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 11:07 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English >> (e was active in a couple nomics circa 2012, haven't heard from em in a >> while) I thought I

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English > (e was active in a couple nomics circa 2012, haven't heard from em in a > while) I thought I had a copy of the old initial rules but can't find it, > but pretty

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 10:49 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> I like FRCs, and I have really enjoyed that in the past, but I also >> think that we should try to be experimental with tournaments given the >> limited frequency with which they occur. Diplonomic seems interesting, >> and rules

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> I like FRCs, and I have really enjoyed that in the past, but I also > think that we should try to be experimental with tournaments given the > limited frequency with which they occur. Diplonomic seems interesting, > and rules already exist for it, which we could modify to suit our > needs. > >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3839 Assigned to nch

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 10:37 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:28:35 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> === CFJ 3839 === >> >> The game of Agora will never end. >> >>

Re: DIS: [Proto] Judicial Diversification

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 10:35 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 01:09, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: >> This is intended to lay the groundwork for adding other types of judicial >> cases later. Thoughts? > > Do you have any examples in mind? Also, I'm curious

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3839 Assigned to nch

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:28:35 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > === CFJ 3839 === > > The game of Agora will never end. > > == Seeking

Re: DIS: [Proto] Judicial Diversification

2020-06-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 01:09, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > This is intended to lay the groundwork for adding other types of judicial > cases later. Thoughts? Do you have any examples in mind? Also, I'm curious how this was done in the past; I remember hearing about Agora once

DIS: some ancient type language

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Just thought I'd share a snippet from our old, er, type inheritance system (From 2003): Rule 1011/4 (Power=2) Definition of Nomic Property A Nomic Property is any property of any entity the value of which is defined by the Rules. Other Rules may define procedures by which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 9:00 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 6/7/2020 8:45 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote:>>> How about we just write it out? "Karma is an integer value assigned to>> persons and Agora and tracked by the Herald in eir weekly report, which>> self-ratifies. Karma defaults to zero." Just one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 11:05:54 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/2020 8:55 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Just conceptually switches could be replaced with variables. Most of our > > player-base probably has a passing understanding of computer variables, > > and >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:55 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > Just conceptually switches could be replaced with variables. Most of our > player-base probably has a passing understanding of computer variables, and > they fairly intuitively branch out into booleans, lists, integers and others. > Ok,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:45 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: >> How about we just write it out? "Karma is an integer value assigned to > persons and Agora and tracked by the Herald in eir weekly report, which > self-ratifies. Karma defaults to zero." > Compare to current rules text "Karma is a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:45:03 AM CDT Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 1:40 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: > > >> On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:39:38 AM CDT you wrote: > On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >>> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote: > I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:40 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >>> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote: > I personally greatly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 1:40 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >>> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote: I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted for it) because it's intuitiuve. The rules need less

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:37 AM nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:24:20 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 8:05 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/7/20 10:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> One partial

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:24:20 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/2020 8:05 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/7/20 10:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > >> One partial fix that can be implemented right now, without any ruleset > >> changes,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:05 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/20 10:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: >> One partial fix that can be implemented right now, without any ruleset >> changes, would be a change in the standard method for AGAINST votes aimed at >> denying side

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > > I personally greatly prefer Referendum

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 1:22 AM nch via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 8:43:33 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > > I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 8:43:33 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted for it) because it's > > intuitiuve. The rules need less incomprehensible, unintuitive terms of art > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 2:08:44 AM CDT Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-06-07 00:20, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:43 PM Reuben Staley via agora-business > > > > wrote: > >>> 8418* Aris 3.0 Referenda > >> > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 7:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > In terms of ruleset changes to fix the problem, moving towards more > subjective proposal rewards would help, rather than having them as something > automatic; perhaps Agora should have a purse for proposal rewards, and some > fair

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:53 PM Tyler M via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > I vote as follows: > > > > > ID Author(s)AITitle > > > --- > > 8409* Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/7/20 10:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > One partial fix that can be implemented right now, without any ruleset > changes, would be a change in the standard method for AGAINST votes aimed at > denying side effects (without disagreeing with the proposal): make them >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 7:03 AM, Rebecca wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote: >>> I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted for it) because it's >>> intuitiuve. The rules need less incomprehensible, unintuitive terms of >> art >>> (like

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Alex Smith via agora-discussion
On Sunday, 7 June 2020, 09:07:13 GMT+1, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > I don't expect everyone to vote for my proposals just because my personal > life is a mess right now. However, I would appreciate not being accused of > coming up with cosmetic proposals just to get rich. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted for it) because it's > > intuitiuve. The rules need less incomprehensible,

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2020-06-07 Thread Tyler M via agora-discussion
> > I vote as follows: > > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8409* Aris 3.0 College of Letters, Arts, and Sciences FOR > 8410e Aris 2.2 Promise Powers Patch

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2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted for it) because it's > intuitiuve. The rules need less incomprehensible, unintuitive terms of art > (like Switch!) and more like Referendum imho. Huh, interesting. The switch language

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2020-06-07 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/7/20 9:04 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Seriously, thanks for the things you do here. The bombardment of > proposals has been a bit overwhelming this week but I didn't think > anything bad of it at any point. Just a lot of enthusiasm to get ideas > out before it becomes more

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2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 1:06 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > As a final point, if people think that some of my proposals were split up > and should have been merged, I'm prepared to consider pledging to give away > some of the money. I wrote proposals that I considered logically cohesive >

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2020-06-07 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:54 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: >

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2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 6:15 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:06 AM Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant < > >

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2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:06 AM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:24 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion < >

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2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:24 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > I also encourage everyone to vote against as many of Aris's proposals as > > possible

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2020-06-07 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:16 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:09 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 2020-06-07 00:20, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:43 PM

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2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:09 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2020-06-07 00:20, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:43 PM Reuben Staley via agora-business > > wrote: > > > >>> 8418* Aris 3.0 Referenda > >> AGAINST;

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2020-06-07 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-06-07 00:20, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:43 PM Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: 8418* Aris 3.0 Referenda AGAINST; inventing Unnecessary Terms of Art for Things that don't Require them decreases the Readability of

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2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:14 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/6/2020 9:33 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > >> E.g. "Certain actions are defined as infractions - these incur penalties > >> but not rule violations per se. Certain actions are defined as crimes. > >>

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2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:24 PM Rebecca via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > I also encourage everyone to vote against as many of Aris's proposals as > possible (i.e, the non-essential ones) because Aris has submitted 10 > proposals or something, most of which are

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2020-06-07 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:43 PM Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > > 8418* Aris 3.0 Referenda > AGAINST; inventing Unnecessary Terms of Art for Things that don't > Require them decreases the Readability of the Ruleset. I question whether writing out the extremely