Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2021-07-02 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/2/21 11:55 PM, Aris via agora-discussion wrote: > I don't know if I'd vote FOR it with that change, but it could be > interesting as a way of incentivising ruleset simplification. I'd have > to reflect on whether I think ruleset simplification is a good thing. > I certainly wouldn't like us

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2021-07-02 Thread Aris via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 8:46 PM Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 1:30 PM OatmealSurprise via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I (Mask) hereby propose the following: > > """ > > Reduce, Reuse, Recycle > > On successful repeal of a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2021-07-02 Thread Trigon via agora-discussion
On 03/07/2021 03:45, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 1:30 PM OatmealSurprise via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: I (Mask) hereby propose the following: """ Reduce, Reuse, Recycle On successful repeal of a rule, the player who proposed the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Propopsal] Glitter is too valuable

2021-07-02 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Jun 30, 2021, at 7:53 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > By precedent, that list item is not a paragraph, just a part of one. > Also, first person in proposals is weird, but probably works. I think this would work as intended—it may use the term unconventionally, but it’s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

2021-06-27 Thread Trigon via agora-discussion
On 26/06/2021 02:36, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote:> Did we ever learn what these did? I lost the hashed text for these contracts so it's impossible to say for certain but using the four-letter identifiers and rough memories: On 6/18/2021 11:50 AM, ATMunn wrote: I intend, without

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

2021-06-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Jun 25, 2021, at 1:39 PM, ATMunn via agora-business > wrote: > > On 6/18/2021 11:50 AM, ATMunn wrote: >> I intend, without 2 objections, to terminate the contract "Contract No. 1: >> GIFT". > > Having received no objections, I do so. >> I intend, without 2 objections, to terminate the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

2021-06-18 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2021 5:28 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: On Jun 18, 2021, at 8:46 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: Good point. I intend, without objection, to revoke the promise "Treasure" from the Lost and Found Department I object; I believe the intent of that promise was to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of June 2021

2021-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/21 12:40 AM, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: > I bid 661 NttPF -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8574-8592

2021-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/21 12:39 AM, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: > Me too NttPF -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [@Promotor] The Notary's Report is too long

2021-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/21 12:37 AM, Telna via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2021-06-18 14:14, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> On 6/18/21 12:08 AM, Telna via agora-business wrote: >>> Right, I'm glad for that! Was a bit further back than I was looking. >>> I retract the quoted proposal and revoke the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [@Promotor] The Notary's Report is too long

2021-06-17 Thread Telna via agora-discussion
On 2021-06-18 14:14, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 6/18/21 12:08 AM, Telna via agora-business wrote: Right, I'm glad for that! Was a bit further back than I was looking. I retract the quoted proposal and revoke the quoted promise. Promise revocation from the Library can only be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [@Treasuror] 3-way pool

2021-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/17/21 9:48 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > Twice, I expunge a blot from myself. NttPF -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning Up a Typo

2021-06-16 Thread Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 3:28 PM Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 3:20 PM Telna via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I intend without objection to clean Rule 2635 "Floating Rate Fleet" by > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning Up a Typo

2021-06-16 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2021-06-17 at 15:28 +1000, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: > Yep, it seems very clear to me that rule 2221 does not provide a mechanism > for changing the rules. It needs to be amended to state that it takes > precedence. The usual way to make this work is for rules to say

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Investigation of Trigon

2021-06-16 Thread Telna via agora-discussion
On 2021-06-17 14:44, Trigon via agora-business wrote:> CFJ: Trigon fulfilled eir obligation to track the Unit of Flotation for the weeks of 31 May and 7 Jun. Arguments: the portion of the text quoted above written by Trigon. Arguments(?): CFJs 3792 / 3798 would seem to provide a lot of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Investigation of Trigon

2021-06-16 Thread Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 2:46 PM Trigon via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 17/06/2021 04:41, Trigon via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 17/06/2021 04:15, Rebecca Lee via agora-official wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 2:08 PM Telna via agora-business < > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [@Referee] What is the Unit of Flotation?

2021-06-15 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Jun 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Trigon via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 16/06/2021 03:34, Telna via agora-business wrote: >> I Point my Finger at Trigon for not tracking the Unit of Flotation in eir >> weekly report as directed by Rule 2635 "Floating Rate Fleet". > > Is failure to track

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer requests help from Jumble

2021-06-15 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2021-06-15 at 17:20 -0500, notajumbleofnumbers via agora- discussion wrote: > I join that contract You need to send this to agora-business; posts to agora-discussion don't count. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] The Name of the Win Cards

2021-06-13 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Falsifian wrote: I like the changes, though I don't know if I get "winsome". Win some, lose some.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] The Name of the Win Cards

2021-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2021 8:02 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 03:27:54PM -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I submit (but do not pend) the following proposal (stolen from Trigon >> with permission): >> >> Title: The Name of the Win Cards >> >> Adoption index:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] Dodging an obstacle

2021-06-10 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 03:28:59PM +, Falsifian wrote: > On Fri, Jun 04, 2021 at 09:13:24PM +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-06-04 at 15:46 +, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > > > I grant one Victory Point to myself (using my Legacy focus). > > > > > > I pay

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] Dodging an obstacle

2021-06-10 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 03:22:52PM +, Falsifian wrote: > On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 11:01:43AM +1000, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote: > > Nobody's congratulated you on the win but congratulations on a relatively > > 'normal' win! Good job. > > Thanks! > > -- > Falsifian (Re-sending.) --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer something something TIME MACHINES

2021-06-09 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2021-06-10 at 01:01 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Promises trigger platonically, so I guess you now have 4 mostly useless > Promises that might make people create victory cards in your > possession, if they somehow gain the ability to do so. (Nobody got > blotted because they

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@assessor) pppppowerup

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 9:39 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2021-06-08 at 09:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> I had a feeling you'd bring this one up when I saw you register and saw >> that your computer delivery was faster than mine :) ! > My CFJ earlier was actually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@assessor) pppppowerup

2021-06-08 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2021-06-08 at 09:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > I had a feeling you'd bring this one up when I saw you register and saw > that your computer delivery was faster than mine :) ! My CFJ earlier was actually primarily intended as a test of my delivery times to -bus. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@assessor) pppppowerup

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 9:01 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2021-06-08, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] click whirrrr THUNK damn

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 8:56 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/8/21 11:53 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Oh crap well that's completely broken. I was madly trying to sculpt >> Murphy's text and missed those differences. > > > It seems to just break the repeal case? It

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] click whirrrr THUNK damn

2021-06-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/8/21 11:53 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Oh crap well that's completely broken. I was madly trying to sculpt > Murphy's text and missed those differences. It seems to just break the repeal case? It seems like something that can be fixed after enactment. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Clearance on Voting Cards [attn. Treasuror]

2021-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2021 11:23 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Trying to make extra votes work is hard, though; either they break the > game, or they do nothing, with not much in between. I think they worked > better when they were tied to an asset that also had more common uses > than boosting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Clearance on Voting Cards [attn. Treasuror]

2021-06-07 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2021-06-06 at 18:51 -0700, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 6:41 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Based on how much Aris is trying to hoover up all the Voting Cards > > recently: Hey, Agora, you should probably make proposal 8565 > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Clearance on Voting Cards [attn. Treasuror]

2021-06-06 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 6:41 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, 2021-06-06 at 16:24 -0700, Aris Merchant via agora-business > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 1:19 PM Rose Strong via agora-business > > wrote: > > > I grant Aris a promise with the following text: "I Cuddlybanana >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Pending is not Co-authorship

2021-06-06 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:21 AM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > On Jun 5, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > the Promotor > > aren't you… Well, yes, but if I make extra work for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Gauntlet announcement patch

2021-06-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/6/21 5:46 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > >> On Jun 4, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> I submit (but do not pend) the following proposal: >> >> Title: Gauntlet announcement patch >> >> Adoption index: 2.0 >> >> Author: Jason >> >> Coauthors:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Anti-AI escalation

2021-06-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/6/21 5:36 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > >> On Jun 4, 2021, at 9:17 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> Amend rule 1950 by appending the following to the first paragraph: " If >> a referendum has an adoption index less than the adoption index of its >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Pending is not Co-authorship

2021-06-06 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Jun 5, 2021, at 7:15 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business > wrote: > > the Promotor aren't you…

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Determinacy is a Good Thing

2021-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/5/2021 6:23 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 6:13 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/5/2021 4:55 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> Title: Determinacy is a Good Thing >>> Adoption index: 1.7 >>> Author: Aris >> >> Want to lodge a bit of a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Determinacy is a Good Thing

2021-06-05 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 6:13 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/5/2021 4:55 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > Title: Determinacy is a Good Thing > > Adoption index: 1.7 > > Author: Aris > > Want to lodge a bit of a protest here - paradox to me is inherent to >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Election cycle

2021-05-24 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 10:01 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > On 5/23/2021 2:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business > > wrote: > >> > >> After the nomination period ends, the ADoP (or, if the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Election cycle

2021-05-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/23/2021 2:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: >> >> After the nomination period ends, the ADoP (or, if the office is >> the ADoP, the Assessor) CAN and, in a timely fashion, SHALL: >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] May Stone Auction

2021-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/20/2021 1:44 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > > >> On May 19, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> I bid 670 coins on the Protection Stone. > > For each stone being auctioned, I bid n-1 coins, where n is the value of the > current highest bid on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Referee I did a crime!

2021-05-09 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Gaelan wrote: What would everybody think about substantially reducing the standard required for finger-pointing--something along the lines of this: { A player CAN by announcement Point eir Finger at a player (the perp), specifying alleged violation of the rules or commission of a crime by that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Referee I did a crime!

2021-05-02 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 4:37 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > > On May 2, 2021, at 9:15 AM, Falsifian via agora-business > > wrote: > > > > I Point my Finger at myself for failing to publish a weekly report as > > Editor of the Agoran Press contract for the week of April

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3904 Assigned to ATMunn

2021-04-25 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/25/21 12:56 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Belated gratuitous arguments: > > An amendment that changes some other substantive aspect of a rule (e.g. > its Power) ought to count as a rule change, and ought to require the > Rulekeepor to record it, unless the rules explicitly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [RWO Intent] 25000 coins

2021-04-08 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
Right, I misread. (/me wonders if we need rules about obfuscated non-objections) Gaelan > On Apr 8, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 4/8/21 7:53 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> Er, my mail client says Jason objected on April 2, 10 PM PDT in a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [RWO Intent] 25000 coins

2021-04-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/8/21 7:53 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > Er, my mail client says Jason objected on April 2, 10 PM PDT in a message to > BUS. That wasn't an objection to the RWO intent, that was an objection to a random sentence that Aris wrote that started with "I intend". See [0].

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [RWO Intent] 25000 coins

2021-04-08 Thread Trigon via agora-discussion
On 4/8/21 11:53 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: Er, my mail client says Jason objected on April 2, 10 PM PDT in a message to BUS. On Apr 8, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Trigon via agora-business wrote: On 4/2/21 11:07 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: RWO might not work, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3902 Assigned to Murphy

2021-04-04 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Falsifian wrote: I'm confused about a couple of things... Abstractly, the situation is as follows: * Just before time T, rule R had body B0 and revision number R0. * Document D alleges that, at time T, rule R had body B1 and revision number R1. * At time T+Y, document D is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [thesis] Voting Thesis [attn. Herald]

2021-03-26 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
CUDDLEBEAM #1 WOOHOO On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 8:25 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/26/21 4:05 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:52 PM Aris Merchant > > wrote: > >>> I think that this thesis represents

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [thesis] Voting Thesis [attn. Herald]

2021-03-26 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/26/21 4:05 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:52 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: >>> I think that this thesis represents significant effort, at least enough >>> for a Baccalaureate of Nomic. I do not know if it represents enough for >>> a Doctorate, but if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [thesis] Voting Thesis [attn. Herald]

2021-03-26 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:52 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> >> I think that this thesis represents significant effort, at least enough >> for a Baccalaureate of Nomic. I do not know if it represents enough for >> a Doctorate, but if it is decided that that is the correct level, a >> D.N.Sci. seems

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] We care after the first time

2021-03-20 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 01:21:10PM -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 3/19/2021 12:51 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > >> On Mar 19, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business > >> wrote: > >> > >> { > >> > >> Amend Rule 2465, "Victory by Apathy", by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [thesis] Voting Thesis [attn. Herald]

2021-03-20 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 11:23 AM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/20/21 8:27 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:26:08 AM CDT nix via agora-discussion > wrote: > >> On Friday, March 19, 2021 11:26:16 PM CDT Jason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [thesis] Voting Thesis [attn. Herald]

2021-03-20 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 3/20/21 8:27 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:26:08 AM CDT nix via agora-discussion wrote: On Friday, March 19, 2021 11:26:16 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: H. Herald, I submit the following document as a thesis in the hopes of earning a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [thesis] Voting Thesis [attn. Herald]

2021-03-20 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:26:08 AM CDT nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On Friday, March 19, 2021 11:26:16 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > H. Herald, I submit the following document as a thesis in the hopes of > > earning a degree. > > Here's what the rules have to say about

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] We care after the first time

2021-03-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/19/2021 12:51 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mar 19, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> { >> >> Amend Rule 2465, "Victory by Apathy", by replacing the final "." >> character with the following: ", except for those who have won the game >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clarify dependent actions (attn Promotor)

2021-02-22 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
> Statement from Aris: > > This wasn't brought up on list at the time of the proto, and I'm sorry > about that. That said... this is really hard to read. Like, I don't > generally mind doing mental diffs for rules that are a paragraph long > or something. But expecting people to do mental diffs

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] You CAN, CAN'T You?

2021-02-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 3:45 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > On Feb 20, 2021, at 11:13 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business > > wrote: > > > > I submit the following proposal. > > > > -Aris > > --- > > Title: You CAN, CAN'T You? > > Adoption index: 3.0 > > Author: Aris > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft judgement of CFJ 3899

2021-02-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:46 PM Falsifian wrote: > Here is my draft. Could anyone point me to precedent about what it > means for information to be "reasonably available"? My draft includes > my own reasoning, but if it's been covered previously I should use that > or at least mention it. That's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft judgement of CFJ 3899

2021-02-17 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 8:59 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Feb 16, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:46 PM Falsifian via agora-business > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft judgement of CFJ 3899

2021-02-16 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Feb 16, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 8:46 PM Falsifian via agora-business > wrote: >> >> I file a motion to extend CFJ 3899. >> >> Here is my draft. Could anyone point me to precedent about what it >> means for information

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3898 Assigned to Murphy

2021-02-06 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 06, 2021 at 03:31:11PM -0800, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Falsifian wrote: > > > > > === CFJ 3898 > > > > === > > > > > > > > The time at which an intent to do something without objection > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3898 Assigned to Murphy

2021-02-06 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/6/21 6:31 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Falsifian wrote: > === CFJ 3898 === The time at which an intent to do something without objection becomes resolvable is a deadline.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3898 Assigned to Murphy

2021-02-06 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Falsifian wrote: === CFJ 3898 === The time at which an intent to do something without objection becomes resolvable is a deadline. == ... I find

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3893 judged FALSE

2021-02-06 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 09:18:38AM -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm considering a motion to reconsider this case, and would like comments. > > Reasons: ID Numbers are nowhere explicitly defined. So what's an ID > number? It's a number used to ID a rule. Once a SLR has

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer becomes an assassin for hire via his Speaker powers [Attn. Notary]

2021-02-06 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 04, 2021 at 09:03:39AM -0500, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/4/21 8:00 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > > A member of this contract (the Client) can act on behalf of Cuddlebeam to > > have him object to an intent via a message, if that message only causes > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Promise] Guess That Agoran!

2021-02-04 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/4/21 3:20 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > I claim that the creator of the above promise is Aris Said Cuddlebeam, non-publicly. -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Anti-Simultaniety Act

2021-02-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:03 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 2/4/2021 10:57 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > Amend Rule 478 by replacing "Actions in messages (including > > sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-31 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 01:26:32PM -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/29/2021 5:55 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/29/21 7:52 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > >> The issue is a white ribbon scam. The pet argument (that your pet can > >> consent to play a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2021 5:55 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/29/21 7:52 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> The issue is a white ribbon scam. The pet argument (that your pet can >> consent to play a game with you) allows a single individual to generate >> a new white ribbon, which is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-29 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/29/21 7:52 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > The issue is a white ribbon scam. The pet argument (that your pet can > consent to play a game with you) allows a single individual to generate > a new white ribbon, which is extremely valuable. Working with other > Agorans means you have to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8532-8537

2021-01-29 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/28/21 11:44 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >>> 8535* Aris, nix, G., Gaelan 3.0 We the People >> PRESENT due to a potential issue with persons including pets that you >> could argue can choose to play with you as a group. I'm debating AGAINST > ... >> -- >> nix > I'm not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: backroom dealings with a humble agoran farmer

2021-01-27 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/20/21 1:03 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/18/21 3:42 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >> I wield my Concentration Stone, specifying Gaelan! >> >> I cash in the promise. > This failed. CB does not have a concentration stone because the > transaction that would have given

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Strengthening Extra Votes

2021-01-22 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/22/21 5:15 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > "Also the Buying Strength cap is gone." > > This feels pretty dangerous. Couldn't one single player (or a very small > group of them) could force any proposal through? There's still a limit on overall Voting Strength (15). But yes,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hopefully not a mosuetrap

2021-01-21 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/21/21 9:26 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2021-01-21 at 21:20 -0500, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> On 1/21/21 9:16 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >>> I consent. >> Okay I withdraw this consent because I'm terrified now. > I suspect this is similar to "I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Strengthening Extra Votes

2021-01-21 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/21/21 8:01 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> Amend R2422, "Voting Strength" by replacing: >> >> A player CAN Buy Strength by paying 1 Extra Vote and specifying a >> current Agoran decision on which e is a voter. For each time a >> player has Bought Strength

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] third level Turn Undead

2021-01-20 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 09:22:14AM -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/20/2021 9:13 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > >> If an inactice player has been inactive continuously for the past > > > > typo: "inactice" twice > > > >> 60 days, then any player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] third level Turn Undead

2021-01-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/20/2021 9:13 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> If an inactice player has been inactive continuously for the past > > typo: "inactice" twice > >> 60 days, then any player CAN deregister em with notice; for such >> a deregistration to be successful, the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer greets Nietzsche

2021-01-18 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
Or maybe even a contract where one person can just do all of them for all interested parties. On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 6:33 PM Cuddle Beam wrote: > Hm, you have a point. I could do it as just a signature kind of thing > though. Same amount of messages, no spam, and it achieves the effect I'm >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer greets Nietzsche

2021-01-18 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
Hm, you have a point. I could do it as just a signature kind of thing though. Same amount of messages, no spam, and it achieves the effect I'm looking for. On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 5:17 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 1/18/21 10:13 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer greets Nietzsche

2021-01-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/18/21 10:13 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Yes, I agree entirely. Which is why I mentioned that I should just do > this frequently ("in between reports"). Seems pretty rude. If everyone adopted this strategy, it would just be constant spam. -- nix Webmastor, Ministor, Herald

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer greets Nietzsche

2021-01-18 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
Yes, I agree entirely. Which is why I mentioned that I should just do this frequently ("in between reports"). On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:50 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 1/18/21 4:45 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > > What I'm going to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Patent Title Restoration

2021-01-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/16/2021 2:25 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/16/21 5:24 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Award all Patent Titles to eir former holders that were lost solely due >>> to the entity not being a person (under any current or former definition >>> of "person"),

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Personhood Revisited

2021-01-16 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
> > "Every intelligence is a person." > > > > Is a chatbot an intelligence? I worry that "intelligence" may be more > > broad than we want. > > The OED entry I was going for "An intelligent or rational being, esp. > a spiritual one, or one alien to mankind". But, like, obviously not > the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Patent Title Restoration

2021-01-16 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/16/21 5:24 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> Award all Patent Titles to eir former holders that were lost solely due >> to the entity not being a person (under any current or former definition >> of "person"), other than Hero of Agora Nomic or Grand Hero of Agora Nomic. > Is the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Personhood Revisited

2021-01-13 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:01 PM Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > > > { > > Title: Personhood > > Adoption index: 3.0 > > Author: Aris > > Co-authors: Trigon, nix, G., Jason, ATMunn > > > > > > Amend Rule 869, "How to Join and Leave Agora", by replacing: > > > > Any entity that is or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Personhood Revisited

2021-01-13 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
> { > Title: Personhood > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: Trigon, nix, G., Jason, ATMunn > > > Amend Rule 869, "How to Join and Leave Agora", by replacing: > > Any entity that is or ever was an organism generally capable of > freely originating and communicating independent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Personhood Revisited

2021-01-13 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 1/13/21 4:57 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: This is going to become a scam shitshow. And it will be glorious. Only insofar as creating one new unregistered person per number of friends you have is a scam. We discussed this on discord and it seems that the two areas where this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Personhood Revisited

2021-01-13 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
This is going to become a scam shitshow. And it will be glorious. On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:44 AM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 5:33 PM nix via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 1/12/21 7:18 PM, nix via agora-business

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Personhood Revisited

2021-01-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 5:33 PM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/12/21 7:18 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: > > > > I submit, but do not pend, the following proposal: > > > > { > > Title: Personhood Revisited > > Power: 3.0 > > Author: nix > > Co-Authors: Gaelan, Aris > > > > Amend R869

@ADoP Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Filling Offices

2021-01-09 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 12/31/20 12:14 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: > Having received 2 support, I initiate the Herald election. It is now the > nomination period, and I become a candidate. The nomination period is over (and has been for a couple days). H. ADoP please resolve the election (I am the only

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Attack on the CFJ-A

2021-01-08 Thread JTAC via agora-discussion
On 9/1/2021 6:54 am, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> The alternative is to consider those statements as an action conducted >> within Agora. Game custom has strongly held that actions not explicitly >> defined by the rules are ineffective, so this interpretation would seem >> to satisfy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Attack on the CFJ-A

2021-01-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/8/2021 2:54 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > E.g. if I said "I hereby express my gratitude for your hard work", > that's not defined by the rules, but I would have thought it's > nonetheless legally true and effective, because I did in fact express > my gratitude by writing it,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Auction] First Victory Auction of January 2021

2021-01-04 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 1/4/21 4:03 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: On 1/4/21 3:59 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 1/4/21 5:58 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: On 1/4/21 3:56 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 1/4/21 5:55 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Interim Referee] Courtesy Holiday Reminder

2021-01-03 Thread JTAC via agora-discussion
On 4/1/2021 2:41 am, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/3/21 12:16 PM, JTAC via agora-business wrote: >> Please be reminded that the Holiday ends at midnight UTC on 4th Jan 2021. >> >> I have deferred use of summary judgements for tardiness despite their >> frequency during the Holiday due

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auto-gesticulation

2021-01-03 Thread JTAC via agora-discussion
On 4/1/2021 4:36 am, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2021-01-03 at 20:33 +, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: >> [JTAC wrote:] >>> This violation is forgivable. If the perp chooses to publish an >>> apology, e must include the words "I must read the rules thoroughly >>> when

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8527-8529

2021-01-03 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/3/21 6:26 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > If you're going to vote against this, it's IMO your responsibility to > > make sure this gets cleaned up reasonably soon. Dictatorships are, by > > tradition,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auto-gesticulation

2021-01-02 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/2/21 4:05 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> On Jan 2, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> >> On 1/2/21 4:06 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >>> I deputize for Referee to find the quoted finger-pointing Shenanigans >>> (because I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auto-gesticulation

2021-01-02 Thread JTAC via agora-discussion
On 3/1/2021 6:05 am, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> On Jan 2, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> >> On 1/2/21 4:06 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >>> I deputize for Referee to find the quoted finger-pointing Shenanigans >>> (because I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auto-gesticulation

2021-01-02 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Jan 2, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 1/2/21 4:06 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> I deputize for Referee to find the quoted finger-pointing Shenanigans >> (because I "believe…that it would be ILLEGAL…to levy a fine", R2478/14). > > >

Re: Proto: Specified Crime not Rule Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Referee Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2020-12-20 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:57 AM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 12/20/20 9:43 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business > wrote: > > Title: Specified Crime not Rule > > Authors: PSS, nix > > Power: 1.7 > > Text: { > > Amend Rule 2478,

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