Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Hi Heather, Do you have the link to that Workers World article? mart - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) HTT

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Oh, I really don't know if this is going to do any good. Richard (Knox) and Herb, and I am out of this . Perhaps it's been an edifying experience, but "Asterion" is right, we'd better spend our time on the struggle.  do I see everyone rising

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Richard Knox: > Barry - When I lived there my friends told me... Is this compatible with your description... I said in my previous post that I said my piece and was not interested in your baits. There, I've said it again. Now go bother som

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Barry - When I lived there my friends told me - and I believe that this was the story taught to school children - that Berea would personally rape and then kill the wives of his enemies - before he tortured his enemies to death - and that th

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby)[WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- ><<of the >7th century. > > > Dear Heather, > > the Afghan Islamist reenactment of the 7th century is something >to oppose, but, imposing western values, for the sake

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Richard Roper - thanks much - Richard Knox ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMA

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Churchill went to Moscow, (he was perpetually rallying his allies), and in a discussion with Stalin passed him a pece of paper with a list of the ratios of Sphers of Influence Both Britain and the Soviet Union would have the each Central (Eas

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Richard Roper - You make references to two things that I don't know anything about and/or don't recall: 1. the famous "naughty piece of paper" with Churchill 2. the famous "First Sea Lord's minute" and churchill's visit to America If yo

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

minority of ruling elites to the deteriment > of majority of the > populace and always inclined to Uncle Sugar. > > Cossack > - Original Message - > From: Richard Knox > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 21:33 > Subject:

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Richard Knox: In the period Stalin - Brezhnev - of which I have some first hand knowledge - people were executed for no reason... Stalin THROUGH Brezhnev? I would say there was a qualitative difference between the 1930s and the 1970s. > I

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- to cube321 " Good point. But, do educators necessarily act as "progaganda organs" for the capitalist system? I can think of a handful of teachers at my school -- particularly within the sociology and women's studies department -- who do not

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Barry - not disputing what you say - since it is all true - nevertheless the world is not black and white - and all was not peaches and cream in the USSR. In the period Stalin - Brezhnev - of which I have some first hand knowledge - people w

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Good point. But, do educators necessarily act as "progaganda organs" for the capitalist system? I can think of a handful of teachers at my school -- particularly within the sociology and women's studies department -- who do not (and my

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Richard Knox: I think Stalin might have exceeded little Bush. I find the above quite offensive, I'm surprised to see it in my mailbox. Force has been required to establish ALL socio-economic systems, especially in the first generation or t

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- responding to cube321 "I think you are right on with your desription of the education system. But, I'm assuming you could apply that argument to just about everything. Indeed, whether we admit it or not, we are all tied into the capitalist s

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

ce of the great megalomaniacs of the century - I think Stalin might have exceeded little Bush. -Original Message-From: Mitchell Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 12 January, 2002 6:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

. > > Richard > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 12 January, 2002 4:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) > [WWW.STOPNATO.OR

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Richard Knox wrote: > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > --- > > "Needless to say, in my 34 years in the classroom I haven't been engaged in > an effort to indoctrinate children into acceptance of the class system." > >

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

f the populace and always inclined to Uncle Sugar.   Cossack - Original Message - From: Richard Knox To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 21:33 Subject: RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.O

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

]]Sent: 12 January, 2002 4:18 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]Heather:I wasn't very clear. But – yes -- if a country imposes western values for the sake of imposing western values (as opposed t

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- "Needless to say, in my 34 years in the classroom I haven't been engaged in an effort to indoctrinate children into acceptance of the class system."  But by your presence there -accepting the blood money - aren't you implicitly legitimi

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

Heather: I wasn't very clear. But – yes -- if a country imposes western values for the sake of imposing western values (as opposed to righting some injustice), this is imperialism, and is no better than imposing capitalism on the rest of the world. If, on the other hand, a country is interve

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- In a message dated 1/12/02 11:17:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . In my experiences schools in the First World are institutions funded by blood money  to indoctrinate children into acceptance of the class system.  

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- In a message dated 1/12/02 10:10:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a starting point - whether you favor anyone from the set Stalin-Putin over Gorbachev? yes. Im also curious whether you view him as better or worse t

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- The Marxist were imposing western values on the people of Afghanistan? Medical care, food distribution, education and female equality are western values? I'm not a cultural relativist, either. Silly me. I think addressing the economic and

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Hi Heather - I wonder whether you expect too much of Gorbachev.   Regarding Gorbachev you say "I cannot imagine anyone who I respect working consciously for the foundations and think tanks taking blood money to live and "work," as Mich

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Товарищ Heather - I believe we are together in our assesment of what is good and bad for humanity, and what the world lost when the USSR went under. With your permission I'd like to set the additional issues you raise aside for a moment to as

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- The Afghan women didn't think so. These were not necessarily "Western" values. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > --- > > > > <<< freedom, educated the children, was trying to bring > Afgha

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

ist and exploitative West, Russia did far more in terms of making more livable the lives of the laboring masses than the West has to this day.     - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 00:51 Subject: Re: Ric

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK ---   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 00:51 Subject: Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] HTTP

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- <<<>>> Dear Heather, the Afghan Islamist reenactment of the 7th century is something to oppose, but, imposing western values, for the sake of bringing a country out of the 7th century, is not *necessarily* a good thing. David O Q

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- Richard, They (before-Gorbachev leaders in the USSR)  were for socialism. Can you imagine them all taking money today from the bourgeiosie and saying nothing about the death of socialism in the USSR? I guess I can't. I am passionately on t

RE: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

nuary, 2002 3:36 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK ---I am in the middle of grading 104 term papers so I can't answer all your questions, but I wanted to explain why Gorba

Re: Richard: On Latvia ( or: Why I hate Gorby) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --- I am in the middle of grading 104 term papers so I can't answer all your questions, but I wanted to explain why Gorbachev is so odious to me. As for Yeltsin and Putin, they were not the heads of the Soviet Union. (As for Yeltsin. I'd dance on