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working ok on 32 bit Windows, but were presumably broken on 64 bit
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; what's one good way to make it do what I want for OpenACS?"
Nothing wrong with that at all, but it has different implications
than, "I use this AOLserver tool in a lot of different environments,
what seems to be the best way I can have it support what one of those
environments, OpenACS, need
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original developer simply did the obvious straightforward thing that
would work for OpenACS. Works fine, but as others have commented here
over the years, probably wasn't the optimal way to use the AOLserver
tools.
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> If you manage to find a list somewhere of what MS Windows library
> calls are or are not thread-safe, then you could use various tools to
> find ALL the calls in your AOLserver binaries, and compare the two
> lis
e config file has no connection whatsoever to the
> threads of aolserver and that it only pertains to the connection
> threads, or am I confusing this even further?
Your "the threads of aolserver" terminology above is certainly
confused. A "connection thread" is one of the
called. That way, your code may
well still crash, but it will only take down the helper process rather
than your entire AOLserver.
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> aolserver, but ideally, I'd like to avoid the taboos on them, so any
> idea about this is well-appreciated.
Huh? What are you trying to ask here, and why? Spawning a new thread
in AOLserver is easy, and I've never heard of "taboos" related to
them.
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platform for a custom
network-aware application, not a web server at all. If I had to, I
could probably code my own minimal replacements for the AOLserver
services I actually used in tclsh, particularly since Zoran's Tcl
Thread Extension already ported (and then improved) the nsv_* APIs,
etc
ons. Hm, I remember talking
about this before; yeah back in April 2008:
http://groups.google.com/group/aolserver/msg/13fec53483ddfb0c
Check out the rest of that old thread too; a bunch of people had
useful stuff to say about adding new programming languages to
AOLserver, some of its history
ike Erlang. Or if you are a real hard-core
lover of language X, perhaps you want to build your own application
server yourself; I suspect that's what most language partisans or
enthusiasts do.
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versions of AOLserver, you'd do that with a configure option of
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either from source in the normal cross-platform Tcl manner, or by
rebuilding your distribution's source package with different options.
Recent versions of Ubuntu build Tcl with thread support, but
historically, most Linux and Unix systems built Tcl single-threaded.
> default. Given the risk, I'd say fastpath caching should be disabled by
> default rather than enabled.
Sounds right to me. Either robustify Fastpath somehow against this
corner case, or don't have Fastpath turned on by default.
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was kicked off because Guan Yang quietly demonstrated that several
prominent ACS sites were at the time readily crackable via SQL
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syntax and usage each database and
its driver natively supports and expects.
If you want to experiment with building something extra to support a
single style of alternative bind-variable-like syntax across multiple
datbasese, that's fine, but it should never be the default behavior of
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language and implementation to start with (e.g., JavaScript
Spidermonkey, Lua, some Scheme systems), it's PROBABLY "just" a Simple
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mentions Tcl at all. That may explain why he
didn't notice that Chapter 30 of his book basically recapitulates
Tcl's Threading design...
(Btw, I have never actually used the language, just read about it, but
Lua's big weakness appears to be its relative dearth of standard
libraries
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libraries, NOT so much for new web development per se with AOLserver.
If you want to add C# support, well, no one is stopping you...
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in order to use its db
API anyway (even though it is very nice).
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right, the AOLserver ns_db API itself does not include
any bind variable support, it is an extension offered by some
AOLserver database drivers and not by others. That's probably a
historical accident, it would be better, and should be feasible, for
ns_db to include bind variable support for al
dim Nasardinov figured out back in 2001
What I'd really like, so some way to include the same user_id info in
the server/error log! Or even better, some simple way to exactly
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y, and why you'd like to
be able to use each part from tclsh. :)
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under light load, much less than 10k hits/day.
> Are there any parts that need to be fixed / reworked to get it
> working in 64 bits?
Not that I'm aware of. You've probably seen the recent traffic about
newer versions of Tcl apparently causing trouble by messing with the
64 bit b
col myself from scratch, in Tcl and/or C.
> I found one more thing which is called "Accessing C library functions using
> Critcl" http://wiki.tcl.tk/11227 so thought that I should start using this
> library for memcached but confused,
I haven't tried CriTcl either, but I do
p the use of gethostbyname(), ideally someone would
add a comment saying why, and that it's safe, like Dossy explained in
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But isn't that a bug? If not, just what is "minthreads" supposed to
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and others for years now,
so why not just adopt their proven patch as is, rather than screwing
around turning it into a loadable module?
What's the actual problem with Gustaf's code? You've obviously read
and thought about it, Tom (which I have not), but so far I see a lot
of the
==
ii libc62.3.6-0ubuntu20.4GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
data
$ apt-cache show libc6 | grep Architecture | uniq
Architecture: amd64
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programming, object file linking, ELF libraries, etc. Other
platforms, like MS Windows, no doubt have their own esotericisms.
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set of libraries for
Tcl, which has been briefly discussed many times before. Perhaps
making AOLserver modules plug compatible with C-coded Tcl packages
would require that, perhaps not, I don't know.
> Being able to use the database and scheduling APIs in a desktop
> application would
p://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=482221
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tion returns NULL. Thats effectively what this patch does.
Andrew, I have not actually tried your patch, but this sounds like
good work. You should probably ask Dossy for CVS commit to nsoracle,
so you can add it in yourself...
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Windows, though:
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On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 10:49:03AM +0200, Jamshed Qureshi wrote:
> Is it possible to load TWAPI library under AOLServer?
Probably, I'd guess. Did you try it?
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ns_param nslog nslog${dot_so}
ns_param nsdbnsdb${dot_so}
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ustom scheduled proc may be simpler,
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racle docs, though.
Perhaps Oracle's OCI even includes some way to do that, and you could
extend the AOLserver database driver to support it. But the stuff
I've stumbled across in the Oracle was about entirely separate
facilities.
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On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 01:34:59PM -0400, Rick Gutleber wrote:
> How about The NuffSaid server. Why should you use it? It's good. It's
> got Tcl. 'Nuff said.
Heh, that's pretty good, I like it. :)
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manage to get some job teaching a one semester university
class in advanced server design, and use AOLserver as your code
reference case and test-bed. The notes you'd develop for the class
would probably be an awesome draft for the above. ;)
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be
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On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 04:58:37PM -0700, Jeff Hobbs wrote:
> VC6 is the last compiler from MS that didn't reintroduce dll hell.
Really? Can you tell us more about this, please?
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he Guy #3u profile above. I am no Windows geek, so the
#3w profile is particularly vague and built from guesswork. Perhaps
Jamie R. or others could correct or clarify it. :)
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ects, I've used solely nsv key/value pairs for things that I
REALLY wanted a small in-memory RDBMS for - painful. Now that I'm
aware of more powerful, higher level tools, I'd start with those
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#x27;ve never used it, and heard of it only via the D language which
[totally off topic!] sounds somewhat interesting. (I don't think it's
really open source, though.)
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ick hack and definitely not what I'd
recommend as the main build tool, but working with it wasn't bad.
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-thread creates and then later destroys a new thread for every single
run of the scheduled job, which is probably not a good idea for very
frequent short running jobs.
Ideally, the scheduler thread should probably have a pool of threads
assigned to it, which it then uses for running the scheduled t
in C
code. Perhaps they are all trying to service really slow uploads or
downloads, or something like that?
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it).
That all sounds like good advice...
Btw, I believe both Jeff Davis and Gustaf Neumann have done work on
using ttrace for OpenACS, and as of Aug. 2005 Jeff said it (at least
mostly) worked, e.g.:
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very special steps
to make it do so, it's very unlikely that your AOLserver is using any
other version of Tcl. I tried once to make AOLserver 3.3+ad13 use a
newer version of Tcl - I failed, and I never heard of anyone else
doing it either.
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t; AOLServer's thread safety? Seems like it...
When you start up AOLserver, it is ALWAYS using multiple threads, two
or three or so at the very minimum. I would be quite surprised if it
continued to run reliably after you removed every single mutex lock...
"ns_param maxthreads"
nt Tcl interpreter? I wasn't aware that ever happened in
AOLserver, at least not without taking explicit and unusual steps to
make it happen (e.g., perhaps via the "interp create" Tcl command).
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 10:47:45AM +0100, John Buckman wrote:
> Is there any way in AOLSserver 4 to have per-tcl-interpreter global
> variables?
You already do. Tcl global variables are per-thread, which is also
per-interpreter.
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huge gaps in their sequence numbers, they just don't usually.
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erializing all writes (or even all transactions
period) works just fine if your load is moderate and your application
is carefully designed to insure that ALL your transactions are very
fast. That seems to be exactly the approach that D. Richard Hipp,
creator of SQLite, takes in building hi
#x27;s the cause of your problem or not, but that
version of nsopenssl is very old, it dates from 2003 or so. Try the
nsopenssl from the CVS Head instead. (Or use v3_0beta27, but it and
the CVS Head are almost identical anyway.)
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But in other cases not. What's the story here? Why this tangle of
incompatible Makefiles?
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than Oracle
claims that you do. If that's the case, then the docs above would be
correct. Dunno.
The very existence of CharExpansion looks like an ugly hack, btw. But
it's also a very simple implementation, so I'd say it's only MILDLY
ugly. :)
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limits your max file size to 2 GB or so. (And it's for exactly that
reason that SQLite does NOT use mmap.) On a 64-bit OS, that problem
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On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 11:05:31AM +0100, Agustin Lopez wrote:
> Andrew Piskorski wrote:
> >On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 12:49:43PM -0500, Nima wrote:
> >>Dossy..when you look at the hardware would you say that I need more
> >>dynamic servers and can I run serveral
t be small, I dunno.
Ideally there would be some sort of unified monitor application that
would track all this on a live Production site. Check out Gustaf's
request monitor / throttler, it might include some of that
functionality. Oh, I see you're already using it:
http://openacs.org/
dly gold-plated
anyway, since this is effecively a compute box, it is running only
AOLserver no RDBMS or anything else disk intensive, I would probably
go with hardware RAID-1 but with SATA or even plain old IDE drives, no
need to pay extra for SCSI. If I had many of these identical boxes
and was set
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it was never considered production-grade and hasn't been
maintained in many years. But, that is only one of many possible
solutions - depending on just what the real problem is you're trying
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> Is there a way to use the AOLserver as a client to post this much data?
Yes. :) (I don't know what it is though.)
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because it would make function calls slower. Maybe it would also
break binary compatibility between code compiled with other compilers
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more info on either auto-sizing stacks in general,
on Linux, or specifically with Tcl and AOLserver?
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> Really it is 8.4.11.
> I am using a debian testing package.
Does that Debian package build Tcl multi-threaded, or single threaded?
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t;-g" and "-O" to "-g -O",
like so:
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CFLAGS_OPTIMIZE = -g -O
On some systems the Tcl configure script picks -O, on others it picks
-O2. I just use whatever level of optimization it decided on, but turn
on both debugging and optimization in both flavor
uld probably do exactly the same
thing with your own wrapper script, but env is more general purpose
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> The upside is that, yes, the AOLserver Wiki is now running on MediaWiki,
http://panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/Main_Page
What's with the Chinese spam links all over the front page of the
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s, yes, I know,
The Changelog entry above is from 4 YEARS AGO. Once you know they
exist and how to use them, the "new" -b or -B options work just fine,
so why are you wasting time on this? Just use -B and be happy.
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cl's open with | on the other hand does the right thing - it
takes a Tcl list of command line arguments.
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> server1:nscp 3> ns_eval $code
> can't read "blah": no such variable
> server1:nscp 4> eval $code
> $blah
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ding idea in its request
processor code:
http://openacs.org/api-doc/proc-view?proc=rp_internal_redirect
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n 2005 AOLserver
finally adds sessions support?" Nah. AOLserver has had good sessions
support since 1997 or whenever. It just wasn't rolled into the
official AOLserver distribution, is all.
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tool which does so. AFAIK neither Curl
nor wget support that; I tried them both at the time. I once hacked
together some code to let AOLserver login as a client to other
websites (using some cookie handling code borrowed from tclwebtest):
http://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=278108
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OLserver build script where the
install directory is at build time. (And perhaps you can't easily
change it later, I'm not sure as I never tried to do so.) Is that the
actual problem?
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" instead of $arg1. The error I get in the
> server log is:
>
> invalid command name "dosomething" while executing
> "dosomething john"
>
> Other *.adp pages run fine, but for some reason I can't get ns_schedule_proc
> to work. What am I doing wrong?
y get good data. The problem here is that I have no way
You would probably just be back to the same "screwed up inside but it
appears to work" state you had on 8i, which is NOT a good situation.
Much better to fix the problem for real.
I've never actually fixed a problem like
ad_proc atp_shutdown {} {
} {
nsv_set . shutdown_pending 1
# Do more custom shutdown stuff here.
}
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t info on
character encodings and Oracle, but they are not the article I was
thinking of:
http://www.eveandersson.com/arsdigita/asj/multilingual/encoding
http://dqd.com/~mayoff/encoding-doc.html
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became tclsh-compatible packages for AOLserver 5,
as Jim D. has occasionally mused about on this list. But, hacking
away at nsopenssl now to simplify is more likely to end up helping
that sort of goal than retaining the baroque libnsopenssl.so feature.
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tangent, my web searching indicates that it's possible to
> keep AOLserver from starting up a Tcl interpreter for each thread,
> but the method was not described.
I think it was Stephen Deasey discussing how to avoid unnecessary Tcl
interp startup in some threads, but I've no
the OPTIMAL development
path for almost any project.
So, now that you've actually read through my bordering-on-language-war
screed above, what is it exactly that you most want to do with
AOLserver? That's probably more interesting to you. :)
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but it appears that clean access to
> uploaded files is limited to Tcl. In C, the Ns_Set
You could always simply call the Tcl APIs from C. Not the most
efficient way of doing things, but then it shouldn't be any SLOWER
than just using the Tcl APIs from Tcl in the first place, so it should
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