[AsburyPark] The C-8 Surprize

2006-02-15 Thread wernerapnj
The excitement about the pending demolition of C-8 is very strange. The joke is on Asbury Park. The reality is, the building to replace it will be TWICE as big as the one coming down. The steel frame we have been looking at for 20 years is only a partially completed build out, one tower of 12

[AsburyPark] Historic Status

2006-02-15 Thread wernerapnj
Some time ago a guestion was asked about the status of ConHall and the Casino. Sorry for the delay in responding. ConHall is recognized as a historic site at the Federal, State, County and Local levels. It is eligible for grant funding for restoration but would not likely receive any since it

[AsburyPark] The Truth

2006-02-15 Thread wernerapnj
To use a phrase from a popular movie - You can't handle the truth - Terry Weldon had no credentials to be a City Manager. - The 'New Council' had no experience with redevelopment. - The 'Deal' has been attributed to the work of Terry Weldon. - The Deal violated the existing 1991 redevelopment

[AsburyPark] Re: The Truth

2006-02-15 Thread Skip Bernstein
Terry Weldon had no credentials… Council' had no experience… attributed to the work of Terry Weldon….Deal violated the existing 1991 redevelopment plan….City had no City Planner… Weldon was convicted of extortion in land use… Taxes are on the rise with no ratables in sight... Yeah, yeah, but what

[AsburyPark] Re: The C-8 Surprize

2006-02-15 Thread Skip Bernstein
All this hype about demolition is misguided, the end result will be a building TWICE as big and still cover the entire block sidewalk-to-sidewalk. What's to be excited about? Yeah but Dan Jacobson writes that it will be a world class architectural gem; he should know, he's a big newspaper

[AsburyPark] Update due on beachfront redevelopment

2006-02-15 Thread Skip Bernstein
a significant season starts in any New Jersey community, so it goes to the economic incentives for everyone. . . . We're confident that the community will be fine. http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060215/NEWS/60215001 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go

[AsburyPark] Re: Council meeting and Bills to be approved...

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone operate a budget or shop as if it were THEIR $: 1. Why do you have EZ-PASS fines? - Learn how to go through the correct lane. All someone has to do, is fill out the viloation form or call - and pay the .35

[AsburyPark] Re: Council meeting and Bills to be approved...

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: 3. Aaron must of been busy and never slept. He ran up almost $52,000 in legal fees. CAn't imagine what he billed in LB. Plus his other clients.

[AsburyPark] Re: Just curious

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotta disagree with you there dfs. Italians are portrayed as criminals and terrorists far more than blacks, Latinos, or Arabs combined. I don't think I said one group was negatively portrayed more than another. If I

[AsburyPark] Re: Historic Status

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In spite of being privately owned the deal requieres restoration to Federal standards. There is a program that allows developers of historic buildings to get a 20% tax credit on restoration costs. My sources tell me

[AsburyPark] Re: Council meeting and Bills to be approved...

2006-02-15 Thread Joe D'Andrea
At 12:54 PM + 2/15/06, dfsavgny wrote: In a meeting last March with Aaron and Reidy, Aaron told me he bills half his rate and charges $175/hour. He told me in the context that even at this reduced rate it is like trying to get blood from a stone to get Fishman to pay, since it is Asbury

[AsburyPark] Re: The Truth-I can handle it

2006-02-15 Thread Fred
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: You are 100% correct some people don't get it and never will. The May election were a victory for the council, the plan and the future. They live in

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront redevelopment

2006-02-15 Thread oakdorf
Read the paragraph again: . . There's no room for amateurs at a time like this. The future of the city is on the line. The meeting on Monday included both Larry Fishman, chief operating officer of Asbury Partners, and his brother, Glen Fishman, the managing partner. AMATUERS. Well, looks

[AsburyPark] Re: The Truth-I can handle it

2006-02-15 Thread oakdorf
BB writes: From my eighth story window high atop the triCity tower on Bangs Avenue, I am in sight of 3 sets of ratables currently under construction at the Beachfront. It's quite beautiful. Those are ratables? Something about abatements, I recall. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit

[AsburyPark] Re: The Truth-I can handle it

2006-02-15 Thread Skip Bernstein
From my eighth story window high atop the triCity tower on Bangs Avenue, I am in sight of 3 sets of ratables currently under construction at the Beachfront. It's quite beautiful. [and] Those are ratables? To a Republican, abatements like tax cuts in perpetuity are ratables, to a Liberal; tax

[AsburyPark] Re: The Truth-I can handle it

2006-02-15 Thread bluebishop82
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my eighth story window high atop the triCity tower on Bangs Avenue, I am in sight of 3 sets of ratables currently under construction at the Beachfront. It's quite beautiful. [and] Those are ratables? To a

[AsburyPark] Re: Council meeting and Bills to be approved...

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's funny he would say that... Jim Aaron has no contract with Asbury Partners. (He better not!) He only has a contract with the city. His invoices are presented to the city and it is the city that must approve and

[AsburyPark] Re: Council meeting and Bills to be approved...

2006-02-15 Thread bluebishop82
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There should be absolutely no monetary connection at all between Fishman and our redevelopment experts. There isn't. There is the possibility that Fishman would refuse to pay for something that is adverse to his

[AsburyPark] Re: Council meeting and Bills to be approved...

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The possibility isn't small, it's non-existent. The City would still have to pay Aaron whether Fishman honored his obligation to re- imburse the City or not. Aaron's contract with the City is separate and exists

[AsburyPark] Re: Council meeting and Bills to be approved...

2006-02-15 Thread bluebishop82
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If what you say is true, why does the City even wait until Partners pays them to pay Aaron? They should just write Aaron a check. Easy answer to that. If after crashing into my car I won my thousand dollar lawsuit

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront redevelopment

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the paragraph again: . . There's no room for amateurs at a time like this. The future of the city is on the line. The meeting on Monday included both Larry Fishman, chief operating officer of Asbury Partners, and

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront redevelopment

2006-02-15 Thread bluebishop82
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Bruno was talking about the peanut gallery, but you are right this is above them all. You, myself and others make a good living at what they are trying to fathom. What standard do you apply to determine who would

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront redevelopment

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What standard do you apply to determine who would be good enough to accomplish this feat, and who would not be good enough? Show me the yardstick. Why ask me for the answers? I can assess that on a person by

[AsburyPark] Re: The Truth-I can handle it

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BB writes: From my eighth story window high atop the triCity tower on Bangs Avenue, I am in sight of 3 sets of ratables currently under construction at the Beachfront. It's quite beautiful. Those are ratables?

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront redevelopment

2006-02-15 Thread bluebishop82
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: What standard do you apply to determine who would be good enough to accomplish this feat, and who would not be good enough? Show me the

[AsburyPark] Re: The Truth-I can handle it

2006-02-15 Thread Fred
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They pay FULL City taxes,maybe even alittle more BB writes: From my eighth story window high atop the triCity tower on Bangs Avenue, I am in sight of 3 sets of ratables currently under construction at the Beachfront.

[AsburyPark] The Italian Language

2006-02-15 Thread jerseykev
In a message dated 2/15/2006 12:57:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: Last night my wife (who is also Italian) and I commented on this. We laugh (with love) at our peasant background but make no excuses. There is a reason we speak Italian the way we do

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront - to be justly wrong

2006-02-15 Thread Skip Bernstein
Although real estate experience is rather vague, I must wonder if you believe that only those with such experience should serve on City Councils. I also must ask, do you have the requisite skills to accomplish this feat? I'm still trying to figure out the measure here. Lastly, Andres Duany was

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront - to be justly wrong

2006-02-15 Thread Skip Bernstein
ps The blind one can also take this one personally. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:

[AsburyPark] Re: The Truth-I can handle it

2006-02-15 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: They pay FULL City taxes,maybe even alittle more So those funds that support the school system, that just comes off a printing press, right? Sooner or later, you

[AsburyPark] Re: The Italian Language

2006-02-15 Thread Skip Bernstein
We have trouble in River City, and We The People need to get on the ball and speak the same language. No EDA No Development without true blight. No Officials using donated dollars from those benefitting from their decisions. and most of all 100% participation in our civic duty... we all need to go

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront - to be justly wrong

2006-02-15 Thread bluebishop82
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing on the actual topics as usual - just an insult. The counter is at 1. Seems from this corner of suburbia's utopia that he, who always justifies his rightness, is so totally devoid of knowledge,experience and

[AsburyPark] New file uploaded to AsburyPark

2006-02-15 Thread AsburyPark
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the AsburyPark group. File: /Bush.bmp Uploaded by : dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description : You can access this file at the URL:

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront redevelopment

2006-02-15 Thread wernerapnj
This is flat out wrong. Duany had no part in the Deal that was made. Duany had no part in the Plan that was conceived to fit the Deal. Duany was hired to develope design standards and act as a mediator between the City and Asbury Partners when the public asked for changes to the plan. In the

[AsburyPark] Re: New file uploaded to AsburyPark

2006-02-15 Thread wernerapnj
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the AsburyPark group. File: /Bush.bmp Uploaded by : dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan, With All Due Respect, This upload is a waste of valuable storage space on this group.

[AsburyPark] Re: New file uploaded to AsburyPark

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, With All Due Respect, This upload is a waste of valuable storage space on this group. Are we running out of space? I'll delete it in a couple of days after they had a chance to look at it. Is your appraisal if the

[AsburyPark] Re: New file uploaded to AsburyPark

2006-02-15 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your appraisal if the triangle opinion available? Did I overlook the check you sent? I thought you did it free for the City as a concerned citizen. Wouldn't that make it a public document? Open for distribution?

[AsburyPark] Re: New file uploaded to AsburyPark

2006-02-15 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you did it free for the City as a concerned citizen. Wouldn't that make it a public document? Open for distribution? Why would you not want to share your conclusions? Typically you are the one that helps

[AsburyPark] Re: Update due on beachfront redevelopment

2006-02-15 Thread bluebishop82
Duany helped draft the plan, and he wasn't a mediator between the parties, he was the City's representative in the negotiation on the plan. The lawyers drafted the contract. Ergo, the City had plenty of professional help with the transaction. Some just won't admit it. --- In

[AsburyPark] Re: New file uploaded to AsburyPark

2006-02-15 Thread Skip Bernstein
Running out of space: I've saved the image on one of my webs; the page, appropriately, has Bush's resume (I think it's the official White House version). Are we running out of space? I'll delete it in a couple of days after they had a chance to look at it.

Re: [AsburyPark] The C-8 Surprize

2006-02-15 Thread charlie leonard
"All this hype about demolition is misguided, the end result will be a building TWICE as big and still cover the entire block sidewalk-to-sidewalk. What's to be excited about?"that may be true. but when you say sidewalk to sidewalk, you make it sound like a bad thing. we all knew it was

Re: [AsburyPark] Historic Status

2006-02-15 Thread charlie leonard
"Some time ago a guestion was asked about the status of ConHall and the Casino. Sorry for the delay in responding."i think that was me, that was a while ago. youve been missing for a while! that is what i thought, i just wanted to make sure i had that right. Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a

[AsburyPark] Flag of Peace

2006-02-15 Thread Jim
If all of us could get along better in some way.Become united as Citzens,Property Owners Business Owners people that donate time in specail ways to watch over these Developers.What we need is more Peace among us.Some Developers put alot of Time Labor in this City take the time to do i the

[AsburyPark] Flag of Peace

2006-02-15 Thread Jim
If all of us could get along better in some way.Become united as Citzens,Property Owners Business Owners people that donate time in specail ways to watch over these Developers.What we need is more Peace among us.Some Developers put alot of Time Labor in this City take the time to do i the