Crime concerns in Asbury Park, New Jersey
Eyewitness
News
(Asbury Park - WABC, October 17, 2006) -
Two weekend shootings, just hours apart, are raising concerns about crime on the
Jersey shore.
There has been somewhat of a renaissance in
Asbury Park in recent years. But some say
Yesterday morning marked a
significant victory in the War on Terror. President Bush signed vital
legislation ensuring that America can continue interrogating dangerous
terrorists like 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Under this new law, the
brutal terrorists who planned the attack
To paraphrase: 'If you tell a lie long enough, people will begin to beleive it.'
That Duany was the primary source of creating our Redevelopment Plan is still
being cited
as a good reason to accept it without question. A good tactic from a public
relations view,
but far from the truth.
One
jerseykev,
In reference to your EXTRA
EXTRA!:
Crime concerns in Asbury Park, New Jersey
(Asbury Park -
WABC, October 17, 2006) - Two weekend shootings, just hours apart, are
raising concerns about crime on the Jersey shore. There has been somewhat of a
renaissance in Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Let it go Werner. It is what it is and you and nobodyelse can change
it. So move on.
To paraphrase: 'If you tell a lie long enough, people will begin to
beleive it.'
That Duany was the primary source of creating
What started this was my post:
Tommy should stick to law and politics.
Perhaps I can retain him to sue himself for misrepresentation.
He's about as much a historian as I am a brain surgeon.
First of all there are Historians and there are historians. One can have a
degree of higher
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@
wrote:
Let it go Werner. It is what it is and you and nobodyelse can change
it. So move on.
That's all fine, well and good.
But the truth, facts and history
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wrote:
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@
wrote:
In your mind.
Let it go Werner. It is what it is and you and nobodyelse
It is nioce to hear that you have a 1% goal however this means nothing unless there is backing on how this will be achieved? Is there a plan in place? What is the timeline? What progress has been made so far?
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Re: Sharon's comments in post # 18182
I was only allowed, to go to the Convent on St. Ann
St., with Sister or be in the company of my parents. I am greatly
puzzled, by Black parents here, who don't participate in the
What's a shame about some history, is that some Historians
(historians) want to be paid for it. Wouldn't it be nice if it were
there, for free?
Some historians contribute to those that write the books, and get a
nice little acknowledgement in the book. Some add this to their
resume.
Wouldn't
A-1 Bracket demonstrates the plight facing many subcontractors who
performed work for Kara but weren't paid before the builder filed for
bankruptcy. Without the liens, contractors are considered unsecured
creditors, making it unlikely that they can collect their debts in full.
Like Trump said
Another great Internet creation. Others build your site. You get some
godd backers. Raise Millions of seed money. THEN figure our how to
monetize it.
Some good articles on Wikipedia and how they will soon monetize the
site. So you will see the Google ads and ads from major sponsors. The
site
The Plan as it exists does not support that potential. It doesn't even support
the eixstance
and economic viability of the ConHall, CAS and beacfront. never mind a new
hotel (we already
have two)
Land Use, Planning, Zoning - that is the key to everything.
Hey how did these 3000 condos get
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's a shame about some history, is that some Historians
(historians) want to be paid for it.
The primary reason that the position of City Historian is un-paid (State Law)
is to eliminate
a potential source of bias in
In reference to the
comments:
Another great Internet creation. Others
build your site. You get some godd backers. Raise Millions of seed money.
THEN figure our how to monetize it. Some good articles on
Wikipedia and how they will soon "monetize" the site. So you will see the
I just hate to see history stuck in someone's head and not shared.
What if you're walking across ocean ave, and either fishman or tommy
are driving down ocean ave and don't see you. Bam!. There goes some
history.
Stick it down on paper (the net, etc).
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Further to Dennis' information: I'll be moderating the interview with the director of this documentary and the panel discussion that follows.
Also, anyone interested inthe documentary and discussionmight also like to know that some of the principals will be on Asbury Radio
Before there was Al Gore and his claim to the net, it was me.
Yes goog and Wiki are both indeed saviors.
You should, however, be intelligent enough to determine fact from
fiction on the Internet.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You should, however, be intelligent enough to determine fact from
fiction on the Internet.
.or city hall.
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In reference tothe
comment:
I just hate to see "history" stuck in
someone's head and not shared. What if you're walking across ocean ave,
and either fishman or tommy are driving down ocean ave and don't see you.
Bam!. There goes some history.Stick it down on paper (the net,
A little more on The Partners' new PR firm, which also represents Cherokee Investment Partners and K. Hovnanian.
From the web site - www.winningstrat.net, which is headed by Jim McQueeny, aveteran on-camera and print journalist. The firm obviously has influence on Capitol Hill.
BTW, Aaron
While it is nice for the councilman to set such a goal, it is meaningless if there is no plan in progress. If the current plan would not allow for such (Werner’s post) then how will this be done? I am asking how this will be achieved and the timeline. Is this a real goal or just lip service?
On Oct 18, 2006, at 1:09 PM, Allan Peterson wrote:
While it is nice for the councilman to set such a goal, it is meaningless if there is no plan in progress. If the current plan would not allow for such (Werner’s post) then how will this be done? I am asking how this will be achieved and the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Didn't the 91 plan call for over 4,000 units and the city had to
pay for the infrastructure??
While it is nice for the councilman to set such a goal, it is
meaningless if there is no plan in progress. If the
4,000 new jobs in AP would be nice.
But take reality first. Rule 1 is to have a goal that is attainable.
Start with 40 new jobs and $1m in new spending (tourist $).
Then pat each other on the back and move on to the next goal.
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anyone see it yet.
The original.
Very smart.
The Internet.
Who needs to leave the office to be a tourist?
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you personally think Asbury Park should be aiming for the
tourism dollars or do you think 1% is too far out of reach?
What about you Tom? Could Asbury reach for that 1% or are those days
gone?
The answer is as
There is Convention Hall, the Paramount Theater, the Casino, 7
beachfront commercial
sites (5 of which have buildings right now), The BC Hotel, The
Empress Hotel, the Stone
Pony, the Fast Lane, The Baronet, the Wonderbar etc, etc. Not to
mention 1 mile of Atlantic
Ocean Beaches. How
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@
wrote:
Didn't the 91 plan call for over 4,000 units and the city had to
pay for the infrastructure??
I think the City had to pay for the infrastructure but
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
While it is nice for the councilman to set such a goal, it is
meaningless if there is no plan in progress. If the current plan would
not allow for such (Werner¢s post) then how will this be done? I am
asking how
In reference to Werner's
comment:
the Fast Lane,
On the discussion page at Wiki for AP, someone is asking if the Fast Lane
is closed?
Just wondering if those on this list withAsbury Park related web
sites have links there?
Maureen?
Here's a paste
ASBURY PARK -- Police are investigating the fatal shooting of a man
late this morning in the area of Prospect and Summerfield avenues,
authorities said. The man was rushed to the hospital but has died,
Deputy Police Chief Mark Kinmon said.
Garrett Giberson, the fire department spokesman, said
I've said this before. UK cities have them.
But if I recall, Mr. Keady felt in the past that this is an invasion pf
privacy.
Go figure.
In the meantime, every business owner/homeowner should have them.
Time to crack down.
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I knew they would have something to say
http://www.nyclu.org/surveillance_camera_main.html
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about you Tom? Could Asbury reach for that 1% or are those
days gone?
Gary, just for grins, here is a gross over-simplification to answer
your question (just playing with numbers here this is not
scientific and not
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would take major marketing. Last year I challenged every
person on this board to join the Marketing Committee. As usual, I
was told to go hang.
And you bring them to a waterfront that looks like Dresden
500 rooms x $200.00 night x 100 summer nights = $10 million.
Assume each room generates $100.00 daily spending outside the hotel
= $5 million.
First Tom, Welcome back. This board got boring without you.
Your math makes sense. Room rates are higher. Use $125 per night avg.
You can
. I'll personally
erect the statues to Loffredo, Bruno and Sanders.
You bring the play-dough, I'll bring the crayons.
I'll draw, you create.
Like the partners did.
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Why not install fake video camera housings with the little red light on them,
and put up signs
indicating Video Surveillence in Progress.
If the secret never got out, it would probably be just as effective.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I knew they
Maybe the council needs to take a field trip to Wildwood, or Seaside next
summer so they
can see the potential that we are missing for themselves.
Maybe they could also swing by Coney Island so they can see the 100 yr old
Wonder Wheel
still packing in riders.
--- In
You know, all this talk of tourism is great, but since we had another fatal
shooting this
morning, some serious brainstorming and change needs to take place to get the
crime
under control before tourists will be willing to come to AP in the first place.
3 shootings in
4 days is ridiculous.
I
Oak -
Think you're mixing apples and oranges.
Oral histories - which I guess would be called blogs? - are quaint and cancontain reliable information. Historians though, whilecertainly not infallible,are expected to follow professional guidelines. I don't thinkwe want to make the mistake of not
First step in the plan to get 1% toursim should be EndThe Shootings.
- Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:54:29 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: shooting and death
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "oakdorf"
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not install fake video camera housings with the little red light
on them, and put up signs
indicating Video Surveillence in Progress.
If the secret never got out, it would probably be just as effective.
You just blew
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe the council needs to take a field trip to Wildwood, or Seaside
next summer so they
can see the potential that we are missing for themselves.
Maybe they could also swing by Coney Island so they can see the 100
yr old
On Oct 18, 2006, at 3:11 PM, oakdorf wrote:
x-tad-bigger You can note, the Ocean resort in Long Branch is sold out almost /x-tad-bigger
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Great point. I really didn't believe it until we started delivering Upstage there each month. Their lot is always
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oak -
Think you're mixing apples and oranges.
Oral histories - which I guess would be called blogs? - are quaint
and can
contain reliable information. Historians though, while certainly
It's those bits of oral history all have
Fishman could build pavilions made of gold and we wouldn't get
tourists here while we are averaging one shooting per week.
Don't underestimate the depths to which Asbury Park's reputation has
sunk when it comes to people in this region who would be day-
trippers or overnight guests.
I still
I think tourism would be great and really have no idea how obtainable the 1% would be. Anything is possible. My question focosed more on is this just lip service or does he have a plan? Any one can say I would like reduced crime and taxes. That means nothing unless there is a plan and even more
Crap, your right!!!
But wait, do you think the thugs that are shooting people are reading this
board?
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
Why not install fake video camera housings with the little
Yeah, we should get them testicular implants, then send them on a ride on the
Cyclone to try
them new balls out.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
Maybe the council needs to take a field trip to
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fishman could build pavilions made of gold and we wouldn't get
tourists here while we are averaging one shooting per week.
You fail to see the forest for the trees. Build it they will come.
People get shot and worse
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Crap, your right!!!
But wait, do you think the thugs that are shooting people are
reading this board?
My poor attempt at humor Jack.
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Oh so Keady has had a plan for tourism but has been stopped by the other members on the counsil?
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On Oct 18, 2006, at 3:01 PM, justifiedright wrote:
x-tad-bigger That would take major marketing. Last year I challenged every /x-tad-bigger
x-tad-bigger person on this board to join the Marketing Committee. As usual, I /x-tad-bigger
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Tom,
Asbury
East Orange was very succesful with installation of camera's...
Street crime dropped by astronomical numbers. Isn't that city in the same
state (Too easy)
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I couldn't agree more with this.
Also, Scott of the Saint tried to do something that could really have
a future...The Wave Gathering, which is his take on the highly
successful SXSW festival in Austin TX.
SXSW attracts people from all over the globe. It started as a music
gathering, where industry
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Oh so Keady has had a plan for tourism but has been stopped by the
other members on the counsil?
Oy vey! Please continue to believe what you will. I will not try to
dissaude you from your preconceived conclusions.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason we are 3% is simple.
1. We had 3 dead waterfronts:
- Keansburg
- Long Branch
- Asbury
etc.
Ah, a man with vision!
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You fail to see the forest for the trees. Build it they will come.
People get shot and worse in NYC and they still come. You will
have people, crowds of people and then you will lose the scumbags.
Then go ask the Downtown
Anybody know how many middle and upper-middle class white suburbanites
got shot in AP this year?
2005?
2004?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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The Marketing Committee I referred to is the one connected with the
UEZ. It is already formed, has a budget, and a recurring revenue
stream every month. What more could you possibly ask for? The goal
of it already is to spend that money on Marketing!!!
How about Keady, Gary, Jack, Dan and
I assume you recall the Soviet's attempt at Marx's Communism. They
had no private property either - government owned the land.
Please allow me to turn the tables - where did you come away with
the idea that Marx advocated private ownership of land?
==
Well, this isn't the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Werner wrote:
The reality is that as the surrounding region eliminates it's
entertainment opportunities.
Asbury Park becomes MORE valuable as the primary destination for
entertainment.
I agree. For some
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then go ask the Downtown store owners why they had more foot
traffic
last year than this year. Build it and you will get one year of
curiosity seekers, then they won't come.
Because you have a bunch of stores
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about Keady, Gary, Jack, Dan and anyone else who wants to bring
tourism in, joins that committee and starts spending those dollars
to attract tourism right away?
Develop the boardwalk as was already supposed to
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, this isn't the most appropriate forum for this, and I do
apologize in advance to other readers for responding to your
statement. I should have simply written a letter to the TCN last
June.
No apology
On Oct 18, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Hinge wrote:
x-tad-biggerI couldn't agree more with this./x-tad-bigger
x-tad-bigger Also, Scott of the Saint tried to do something that could really have/x-tad-bigger
x-tad-bigger a future...The Wave Gathering, which is his take on the highly/x-tad-bigger
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I digress. If you want to continue this discussion, I'll be in
Amherst, MA later this month for a conference on Marx Revisited
But I guess I won't see you there.
I envy you. No better time of year to drive up
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks like you're ready to join the fight in the 12th round.
Not at all, but I like to have a fighting chance. All that energy
should be channeled into the one and only thing that will save this
city - FIX THE
x-tad-bigger With all the allegations of serious belief in your cause on tourism,
is it too much to ask that you join the Marketing Committee, or are
all of you just talkers, hoping someone else will implement your
ideas - ideas that are apparantly so fool-proof and brilliant that
I'm not
werner wrote...
This is not 'Brain Surgury'. It's just looking what your assets are
are making the most use
of them. The problem is a lack of vision and common sense along with the
myopic views
of what redevelopment is.
The problem is further complicated by sheer utter overwhelming greed.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem is further complicated by sheer utter overwhelming
greed.
Larry Fishman wants to control 100% of the retail within the
waterfront.
He wants total, monopolistic control of the retail, to the point
that,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, we should get them testicular implants, then send them on a
ride on the Cyclone to try
them new balls out.
Wow! I almost choked, laughing at that one!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
On Oct 18, 2006, at 6:59 PM, justifiedright wrote:
x-tad-biggerThanks Gary, and just so everyone is clear on that point because you /x-tad-bigger
x-tad-bigger have brought up a few times about triCity trashing your MusicHOF, the /x-tad-bigger
x-tad-bigger following week I wrote a column trashing
Anyone have any facts regarding crime statistics in AP, or where they can
be found.
Are we up/down? status quo? How do we compare within
NJ?
I'm not having much luck finding up to date info on the
web.
Has this city ever seriously considered video
surveillance.
Original
In reference to Dan's
comment:
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wrote: Well, this isn't the most appropriate forum
for this, and I do apologize in advance to other readers for
responding to your statement.No apology necessary. I
enjoyed the education.
I guess no one will be
How about a Bruce
Springsteen museum?. I am certain that it would attract many
tourists.
lightgrw wrote on 10/18/2006, 4:17 PM:
On Oct 18, 2006, at 3:01
PM, justifiedright wrote:
That would take major marketing. Last year I challenged every
person on this board to join the
What is te $ amount EACH pavillion is paying in taxes?
How much in $ for the vacant parcels. The mini-golf on 1st ave is
no longer vacant.
When is AP scheduled for a re-val?
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Springsteen Musuem...
The AP Library has a huge collection. IT sits hidden away, and
virtually unknown to most.
Now what?
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In reference to oakdorf's
comment:
You should, however, be intelligent
enough to determine fact from fiction on the
Internet.
Not that simple.
You have to be able to recognized
1. when only certain facts are
"cherry picked,"
2. when "spin" is applied to facts,
3. when just a few
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