Re: Let's really dig in to Tolkiin and Lord of the Rings,
Well Bryan In the lotr film, I actually galadriel, precisely because she was quite disturbing, however again I don't like how Jackson represented Galadriel being tempted by the ring. In the book, this is one of the few very blatant displa
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You and me both Dark. In fact my very first would-be romantic relationship ended partly due to differing beliefs in that department. I've always considered myself more an Agnostic if not an outright Atheist. And I couldn't help noticing t
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Well I can understand studdying theology in the historical sense, or looking at different systems of beliefs, but for myself the stuff I was interested in, the religious philosophy is not something I can really conceive of as studdying at
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actually amused isn't really the word i'd use, probably closer to shock over the person's ignorance. yeah, that'd probably be it. i'm not actually sure of what my response was at the time, I believe it was something to do with being int
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as am I, dark. to be honest I found it quite amusing the other week when some one asked me 'how can you study theology and not be religious?'URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=143204#p143204
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Captions? other than maps and family trees I don't remember any illustrations, then again the braille copy I had didn't contain the maps or any other graphical info, they just missed stuff. As to referencing in theology I'm not sure. Tolk
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THANKS FOR THAT DARK, I'M CURRENTLY DOING A THEOLOGY DEGREE, SO I'M GONNA TRY AND SEE IF I CAN AT SOME POINT REFERENCE IT PROVIDING its plausible. really looking forward to having a nice slow read-through, i'm reading it from bookshare at
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Worth it. It's anamzing read and really puts the Lord of the Rings in perspective. The trilogy works so well because the places and history alluded to was already written and detailed, so it gives it more weight. Those who haven't read Si
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Yep, ian holme will always be the voice of frodo as far as I'm concerned. In fairness I don't think Robert stevens himself is a bad actor, he did very well in the other things I've seen him in, especially that adaptation of the box of del
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I just love, love, love Ian Holm. I'll be honest, like other have said, about the only actor I have a slight problem with is Robert Stevens' Aragorn, however my opinion might change slightly if I listen to the play again, as its been a f
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The version I have I got from Audible. I did have a physical copy complete with the music CD but I have no idea what became of it.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=143167#p143167
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That's why I'd love to hear that dialogue Bryan, Ian holme is just such a fantastic frodo. The version I have is simply all 13 episodes with no synopses, intros etc at all, though it does come with a recording of the soundtrack conta
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That's the one I have as well, the one with the new dialogue. I actually liked it better this way instead of doing a last time segment the way some others did. One of the versions of the Mind's Eye production had a brief psynopsis at the
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@Dan, sounds like the remastered version with the extra dialogue Ian holme recorded. I realize in my above post I got the dates a little wrong. Though I bought it in about the year 2000, the version on cd I have was actually released in 1
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I've got a copy of the bbc production somewhere, got it around 2002 or there abouts. I can't count the amount of times I've listened to that thing. Its also got Frodo at the beginning and end of each play doing a monologue of sorts whil
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well it has been released and rereleased several times, where as I'm not exactly sure how often the American minds eye version has been. I myself own the 1986 release on 13 cassette tapes, which came in a huge hard cardboard case with [[g
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I agree with Bryan, I would highly recommend the bbc radio play darkabomination, and that's just not me being specifically english either, it was extremely well put together.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=142997#p14299
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All this talk of the two radio plays made me wonder which one I got on CD, so I looked up the BBC version and the intro is definitely the one I heard, so I suppose I got rather lucky on that front. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtop
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I agree with Bryan, and that's not just because I would highly recommend the bbc radio play darkabomination, and that's just not me being specifically english either, it was extremely7 well put together.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/vi
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That's definitely the best one out there. I don't care so much for their version of The Hobbit but their LOTR play is amazing.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=142948#p142948
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Now I need to find a torrent of the BBC production.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=142938#p142938
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Re: Let's really dig in to Tolkiin and Lord of the Rings,
That's cool. I definitely liked him better as Gandalf than Bernard Maze in the American radioplay, though to be fair Bernard Maze was one of the better casting choices for that production. But like everyone else I think they gave him too
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I've seen him as the lord in an old production of Ivanho, and I believe he also played Merlin in a king arthur film, so he was very used to those sorts of parts. I've heard his wind in the willows, but there is a little more to it than th
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That could very well be true. I never knew Michael Hordern was a Shakespearean actor until I heard him in a film version of Taming of the Shrew alongside Elizabeth Taylor. I do believe he also acted in the Berty Wooster radiodramas and he
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@Dark abomination, yes, the bbc dramatized wizard of earthsea in 1996, though I've only heard it recently. it's actually quite nice and even narated by Judy dench, though a couple of things took some getting used to and the actor who play
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They did A Wizard of Earthsea? Wonderful. It's one of my favorite novels and the trilogy needs more love than it gets.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=142841#p142841
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That's the thing though. The American radioplay, done by a company called The Mind's Eye, had repeat actors coming up for major parts. To befair they did have a very small budget but it was still jarring to here the actress who played Pip
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@Dark abomination, I always admire swan's music, since swan was a highly accomplished composer, I even have a remastered recording of the original comedy variety show complete with songs he did with michael flanders, which includes such w
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Oh yeah, those set to poetry were fantastic. And it's awesome hering the good professor reciting Namarie in Quenya.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=142795#p142795
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Re: Let's really dig in to Tolkiin and Lord of the Rings,
LOL. The American radioplay does have a small special place in my heart simply because it was my first true exposure to TOlkien (I hadn't really seen the 1970's cartoon of The Hobbit at that time), but now that I'm older I can't help but
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@Joseph, regarding music, light motiefs is quite an acceptable idea in opera or film score for that matter, and I don't disagree with shore's use, however most composers will make some attempt to alter and blend these motiefs with eit
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I actually really loved the LOTR soundtracks. It's certainly leagues better than the trash in the cartoon versions of the late 70's and early 80's, not to mention the abominable American radioplay from1979 or so. In point of fact the only
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The Lorien theme was pretty good and had a suitably mystical quality. There's good pieces in the ost, but it's somewhat lackluster.And I agree that making something in the spirit doesn't excuse it from scrutiny. In my opinion, the second
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I agree with Dark about the Osgiliath sceen. It just doesn't make sense to me given the Nazgul's purpose for one of them to spy the ring and not do anything about it. Regardless of Sauron's intermediate plans his ultimate goal was always
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I have to agree about Howard Shore...and Dark, while you're right that Howard Shore makes great use of repetition, I think he would be quite proud of that fact. In Shore's own words, he treated the score of The Lord of the Rings like one
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Interesting thoughts violinist, As I said I would have agreed with you about Sauron up until reading the arda articals which convinced me on Sauron's physicality during lotr, after all, it's not unreasonable to assume to assume that th
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I'm not convinced that Sauron had a physical form after the drowning of Numenor in which it was destroyed. Gollum was after all a very small creature in comparison to Sauron and the latter could easily have filled Gollum's mind with a fo
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@Joseph, regarding the extended editions, I'm afraid you might have missed my point. i pretty much these days can't even imagine! watching the theatrical versions, indeed all the extended edition box sets are on the shelf behind me as I
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Sorry again, Dark - you just went to a lot of effort for nothing. I already agreed that there's nothing in the books to indicate that Sauron can't take physical form...in fact, quite the contrary. My point was that Saruman says it in FotR
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@Joseph, regarding sauron, this was in fairness a mistake I made myself. I always rather assumed that Sauron was at most like the nazgul, a being without a body, albeit the huge electrified eyeball while very cool looking wasn't exac
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@Joseph, regarding sauron, this was in fairness a mistake I made myself. I always rather assumed that Sauron was at most like the nazgul, a being without a body, albeit the huge electrified eyeball while very cool looking wasn't exac
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Dark - I certainly don't expect Peter Jackson to go that far with the Necromancer...though if he does, I may have to change my stance on his creative integrity a bit... What I want to see is how he's going to get around his claim, voiced
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@Dark abomination, interestin in tom being a native, though a lot of that speech does make it into the final lotr apart from the abo bit. I'm not convinced about the flame imperishable theory however, since the basic idea of the flame im
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@Dark abomination, interestin in tom being a native, though a lot of that speech does make it into the final lotr apart from the abo bit. I'm not convinced about the flame imperishable theory however, since the basic idea of the flame im
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@Arq, I agree on the necromancer plot being a nice one to include, and I agree with Bryan and joseph that actually seeing Gandalf's confrontation with him would be a nice touch. My only concern however, is how far Peter Jackson will take
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Although it's been pointed out that the History of Middle-Earth is largely a series of drafts, I think there's a lot of interesting potentially canonical stuff. For instance, one draft of LoTR from volume 7 has this to say:Frodo: Who are
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Aaargh, I know exactly what you mean about the Faramir scene. I understand the impulse behind the decision, but I hate the decision, in general. I do think the material in the extended editions makes the Faramir alterations a tad more acc
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I still think my biggest gripe with the LOTR films, and tis despite loving said films with a passion, was te Faramir scene in the Two Towers. I defiitely see that as unnecessary, particularly in view of the fact that Tolkien has explicitl
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Argh, Arq, you posted while I was posting, lol.I think the thing to bear in mind with The Hobbit, in general, is that it's misnamed. It should be called "The Hobbit, and Other Things Going On Before Lord of the Rings." I actually really l
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Dark - you're onto exactly my point about Cirdan. Concerning Thranduil, he was basically the first non-Noldorin Elf who came to mind, hence my use of him as an example. Your idea about Bombadil is interesting - that's an element of Tolkie
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I liked all of those asspects as well. One thing that concerns me, is jackson overdoing the bit about the necromancer. While it was suggested in the book that he is indeed a threat, the white council dealt with him in there own time, hens
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Well arq, this is unfortunately where I think Peter Jackson is being a little too swayed by what is popular in films today, since every hero has to be an anxt ridden quite dislikable person and have lots of anger for no readily apparent r
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One thing i did like about Thorin was the sense that he was one tough dwarf, and quite a bigger warrior than his dwarf size might have suggested. Although, one thing that kind of bothers me now is his all issue with Elrond in the film. In
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Well firstly, on the matter of Cirdan, his age is a little difficult to know, since he could be either the same generation as Galadriel, among the telereae, however equally he could be either slightly younger or older, it's a bit difficul
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Nice post Joseph. I concur with your thinking on the book to film adaptations. To be honest, and i may be frowned upon for saying it, but if they didn't make the hobbit an epic, the only thing it would be is an epic one watch, go in the b
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[[wow]], Dark - I was planning on answering Arq's question, but I see that is not necessary. As for Maiar present and active in Middle-earth during the Third age, you've probably covered it - though (and this is a bit of Tolkien lore I'm
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And the army of spirits in Return of the King. Gods, those films did so, so much wrong.I am saddened the Hobbit was chosen to adapt, the writers want to turn it into an epic when it really isn't. It certainly has action aplenty and dramat
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Well in the book Legolas is mentioned as having a long bow and being a skilled archer and in fighting with a long bladed knife, however the sort of ninja assassin super fast legolas was I think something of the film's invention entirely,
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Well in the book Legolas is mentioned as having a long bow and being a skilled archer and in fighting with a long bladed knife, however the sort of ninja assassin super fast legolas was I think something of the film's invention entirely,
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Good point dark, i figure those swords scream with historical inaccuracys. For example, something i was pondering was, if legolas was a real person, let's assume for a second middle earth was real, would he have used the types of weapons
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Well while I would advise reading just about anything you can by tolkien on writers' merrit alone, equally bare in mind that when you get into the lost tales, the road to middle earth and so on you really are dealing with writers fragment
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All good points, thanks all. I know one could get pretty deep in to tolkien schollarly works, heck, there is such a vast level of analysis that people have already done. But i think i'm going to read nearly everything and form my own pers
Re: Let's really dig in to Tolkiin and Lord of the Rings,
All good points, thanks all. I know one could get pretty deep in to tolkien schollarly works, heck, there is such a vast level of analysis that people have already done. But i think i'm going to read nearly everything and form my own pers
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The silmarillion is fantastic, but you really have to have a love of that style of storytelling and that form of mythological language to really appreciate it. I really enjoyed to it, indeed I first read it when I was eleven, (and in b
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You know, the main complaint I've heard about the Silmarillion is people trying desperately to keep track of the family trees?I kinda stopped paying attention to who was related to who not many generations after Feanor, though it did prim
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If you like poetry, I'd also recomend "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil"the light-hearted narrative in this one is nice, it's very poetic. The Hobbit is also a good book, was one of the first books I ever read by Tolkien and remains one of
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Read. The. Silmarillion.Seriously, The Silmarillion is one of my favorite books, period. Some people hate it, but they're also the people who dealt with Lord of the Rings cause they thought the content was cool, but didn't like the style.
Let's really dig in to Tolkiin and Lord of the Rings,
So, i'm really in a lord of the rings kind of mood yet again. This seems to happen every year or two around this time and the holiday season. I plan on re reading the series but i wanted to ask about more j r r literature like Lost Tales. Are
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