Re: Any way to make coding on MacOS non-painful?
going back to mac, if anyone's interested I'm working on some iOS audiogame libraries:For now its just 2 sound managers, one is higher level and one is for more generic players, the soundEngine one would let you use effects and stuff
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@48, WSL2 is in Windows 10 from version 2004 (to say, that it's out of beta).You can easily convert between WSL2 and WSL1 without reinstalling your distributions, q uick google search, should tell you how, but it's essentially just a command
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Yeah. You have to install WSL, and I don't think it knows how to translate paths if you call a Windows executable from it, but your drives and stuff are /mnt/c etc and you can install basically anything that doesn't require a daemon. WSL2
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Oh, duh, you're right. I keep forgetting that I can just type bash and be at... the same directory I think?
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@45But you can drop into Bash at any time.
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Re: Any way to make coding on MacOS non-painful?
Yeah but with Powershell, and with cmd, I can't dofanficfare -u *.epubto update all my fanfics in a folder. Boo! Of course I'm probably just typing it wrong or something. * is supposed to work I've heard, but it doesn't.
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@40Powershell is annoying in some ways, but it has loops, string manipulation functions, can do math, etc. Compared to the old command prompt, when it comes to more advanced automation, powershell wins. Microsoft has also hooked a lot
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Yep, you're right. I have no answer to that. I definitely want my programming language and tools to be useful.
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@41Linters are great for finding errors, but I don't think they'll catch say:player = {
'name': 'Chris Norman'
'Rank': 'Awesome'
}
console.log(player.naime) // UndefinedCan't be sure though.MyPy under Python would definitely catch
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Well, I mean, people don't download many new apps nowadays, so maybe web apps will make... some sort of comeback. At least I won't have to pay Apple $100 just to get an app out there. And hopefully _javascript_ linters and all will help me
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@31OK, I see your point, and I agree with it, sadly. It's a shame, because when they do something right (GMail for example), it's damn good.@33I kind of ignore Powershell, preferring the standard Command Prompt. Am I missing something great
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Yeah, Emacspeak won't be the easiest, especially if you're used to actually helpful editors.
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I just tried Emacspeak on the mac. I don't find it intuitive (and I've been a Linux terminal user for years). I don't think I'll be using it much, but it's nice to have I guess.
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@35 The last thing I have learned were trees and doubly-linked lists in C. I was taught GUI, but the stuff didn't make sense. I'll probably pick up on Python, as I won't have any coding classes this semester. But yeah, I''l have to try Free
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Yep. I'm learning to code in JS through Free Code Camp, and it's been really helpful. Like, I now get arrays, functions, and sort of can get push and pop, dealing with arrays, when I don't get them confused. Pushing is pushing something onto
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@34Being fast at programming comes with practice. Tools will help to some extent, a *lot* later, but less so at the beginning. I don't know how far you are, but in general the slowness at the beginning is learning to see the...let's call
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@33,Yeah, that was what I was thinking about. It's just nice that it works without a hitch, especially when ssh-ing into a Linux server. I would love to know how to become a faster programmer on Windows. I'm pitifully slow, and it takes way
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@32If you don't know: windows+x, i for powershell, Windows+x, a for administrator powershell.powershell isn't the best thing in the history of things but it's at least okay, and it works as well as any other terminal.Additionally install WSL
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I had to switch to Windows. If I didn't, I would have been in a world of hurt. I prefer it for web browsing and music making, but Windows, unfortunately, doesn't have as many issues, even if it technically doesn't have its own built
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@30that's kind of what I'm saying though: they listen some places. But not all the places. And the ones where we get ignored are pretty important. But I mean, Google is behind the IA2 implementation in Chromium, meets is pretty good
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@29I see what you're saying, and I absolutely agree with you on the Google Docs thing.All of that said, I've personally submitted issues against Crhome OS and accessibility, and they've been fixed in a version or 2. The recent changes to how
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@27I'm surprised Emacspeak is painful. I've only ever heard good things about it, in the sense of "if you bother to learn this you'll be amazing". But I guess that shouldn't be surprising, looking at what Raman did with Talkback
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@27At the risk of hijacking this post, Google *do* care about accessibility: Talkback and ChromeVox are both evidence of this.
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As a newbie dev, I used Emacs with Emacspeak for years, using Markdown, Org-mode, a bit of Python, all that. Then I got into VS Code, really take a hard look at it a few weeks ago, and I've not used my Mac since. Before,, I mainly only used
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@26But you can use the same code? I mean obviously there's Flutter, and others have mentioned other frameworks as well.@CamlornSo glad to read your stuff about macs and their undeserved price tag. I have felt like that for ages, but every
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@Kyleman that's very cool about your indentation report script. I tried to do this at one point but I couldn't get the location of the insertion point.Yeah, I do get what you guys are saying. I currently work as a process automation intern
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Sorry folks, I didn't mean to open any cans of worms with this post.As a Linux and Android user, I'm far from the correct person to tell anyone what they should use on their own devices. I didn't really want this thread to go there--I just
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In the real world, you only get to run things through a formatter if there's a formatter that matches the style of the rest of the team. At my job for example, our main codebase isn't compatible with clang-format so I do it by hand. "
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To add a bit more sanity back into this discussion, Xcode has gotten much better as far as accessibility is concerned. I began using the Mac back in 2016 and successfully completed a computer science degree with it. I didn't have to have
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@ogomez92I'm not sure why I'd put out $1500 to $2000 to maintain the ability to keep evaluating a broken platform, when the one friend of mine who was using it left a few months back because they permanently broke the audio drivers for mac
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@13 Yeah, dealt with that on Microsoft and Android so far, and am looking forward to Apple the least. You've done iOS apps, right? Any accessibility gotchas with that process I should be aware of?@16 You might want to consider MacStadium. I
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LEt me rephrase. I would never use my mac for longer coding projects in something like Python or Node., windows is so much better at these tasks and especially if using VSCode. BBut if I'm coding in Swift, of course i'll use my Mac. xCode
Re: Any way to make coding on MacOS non-painful?
LEt me rephrase. I would never use my mac for longer coding projects in something like Python or Node., windows is so much better at these tasks and especially if using VSCode. BBut if I'm coding in Swift, of course i'll use my Mac. xCode
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LEt me rephrase. I would never use my mac for longer coding projects in something like Python or Node. taht's what bootcamp is for. BBut if I'm coding in Swift, of course i'll use my Mac. xCode has great developer tools for Swift
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@Camlorn your condescending attitude makes me cringe. I'm sure I'm not the first to say so.Yes, the Mac has some bad things, yes, there is an added speech delay. No, I don't use my NVDA or voiceover at 100% speed. I'm not a superhuman like
Re: Any way to make coding on MacOS non-painful?
@Camlorn your condescending attitude makes me cringe. I'm sure I'm not the first to say so.Yes, the Mac has some bad things, yes, there is an added speech delay. No, I don't use my NVDA or voiceover at 100% speed. I'm not a superhuman like
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@Camlorn your condescending attitude makes me cringe. I hope no one takes you seriously. Ever.Yes, the Mac has some bad things, yes, there is an added speech delay. No, I don't use my NVDA or voiceover at 100% speed. I'm not a superhuman
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@Camlorn your condescending attitude makes me cringe. I hope no one takes you seriously. Ever.
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@EthinUnless something changed, you can still turn off code signing on Mac. If nothing else, developers need it, so the switch has to be present.@chrisnorman7Yes, it will be a pain. You'll be able to do it, being as you presumably already
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So I've got an app I've published to the Play Store. I really need it to go on the App Store too... From my reading, there's a fair few extra steps involved, all of which need to be done from a mac with XCode. Am I right in thinking
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Guys, I use Mac almost every day and I don't have all the hassles you mention. I mean I code on it too, it's true that indentation isn't as great as windows, but textmate is usable, vsCode is not perfect but it's usable, etc.
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I get the code signing and notarizing stuff under particular circumstances (e.g.: system drivers). Enforce code signing and notarization on drivers and other kernel module functionality and low-level system resources all you like because
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I get the code signing and notarizing stuff under particular circumstances. But it should be up to the user ultimately what they want when it comes to the security of their device and the operating system. Yes, the maxim of "users are s
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And you haven't even gotten to code signing and notarizing yet lol.
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@11, sent you a PM.
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@10I mean, I bought my mac. With my money. Specifically to program. Specifically because it was supposed to be great. So no, you're not alone. My brother also got a mac because he rarely used the computer and wanted something easy, since
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I'm going to keep my reply short. I tried, years ago, and found that within months I'd bootcamped my iMac, and... well I'm still talking to you on it now, from Windows. I can't even remember the last time I booted into OSX, and the lack
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Every bit of goodwill for this platform that I've ever had has evaporated. Fuckers locked down debugging such that even launching lldb and running or attaching to something pops up a GUI prompt asking you to enable debugging. If you're
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@7, fair enough. And yeah, I definitely like how I can write an app in any language for Windows or Linux without the vendor demanding "Use X". Because, of course, then they build the ABI around that language, or the way that lang
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@5Objective-c is what it is because it's older than mac. They didn't keep using it because they wanted to be different. They kept using it because they ended up in a position where Objective-C facilities are all but baked into the OS
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@2/@4 Thanks for confirming my suspicions. Maybe I could learn it given time, but I'm kind of at capacity for knowledge I have to keep in my head, and I already need to learn enough Cocoa plus how to call that from Rust that I don't have
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Agree with 4. I used to have a MacBook Pro, late 2013. Used MacOS on it for some time and switched back and fourth between Windows and MacOS (I even tried Linux on it). Linux was unstable as hell (primarily the wi-fi driver -- it kept
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I tried over the course of about 6 months in 2013 or 2014. Used a macbook every day, because I figured maybe it was me and I'd give it a serious chance and make sure that it wasn't just me not knowing VO. I didn't succeed, as in even
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Most of my coding on Mac OS is done with Emacspeak, which has a variety of ways to handle indentation. I highlly recommend it.
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honestly and this is just me, but I'd focus on getting SSH working and trying to do everything from a familiar editor. Best of luck. I refuse to do any coding on Mac OS.Though I'm one of the people who feels like there's no future in Mac
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