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I don't know if it is or not, and I don't suggest heckling or booing anyone, just that they not make such a fuss about performances that aren't really all that good.
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Wait, I didn't think those talent shows were a serious event actively being judged. Here I always thought it was a cringey timewaster to pass whatever timeslot it was for. Not really a setting to heckle and boos someone though, it's mainly all i
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Wait, I didn't think those talent shows were a serious event actively being judged. Here I always thought it was a cringey timewaster to pass whatever timeslot it was for. Not really a setting to heckle and boss someone though, it's mainly all i
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I don't know if they did cuts or anything like that, I only heard it second hand through someone who was actually there and was streaming it.
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Yup. You're talking about a bit more of an extreme version of what I'm on about.I take the points you're making and I mostly agree with them, actually. If NFB does precisely that, then that's something of an issue. ditto to anyone els
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I'm of the opinion that telling someone they're good even when they aren't leads to more pain down the road. They may feel disappointed and hurt now, but consider what would happen if they go onto a higher level of whatever activity they tak
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Slippery slope territory, that talent show. As a performer myself, I understand the idea of recognizing talent and not just making people feel good. At the other end of it, though, who does it really hurt? I'm not wholly at one end of the spectrum o
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They would like people to think their way is the one true way though. That, and last year's talent show was so nasty. Like two good performances among the entire lot and people were clapping and cheering like what? These people suck. That's that sh
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Two things.First, I don't think anyone interested in rational discourse is saying that the NFB is the one true way. It is one way, and obviously it does work for some people or else it wouldn't keep going. But the only way? Hardly.Last, I suspe
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That, however, circles back to one important question. Why is that the only "right way?" There just isn't enough research which validates the claim that the NFB's training methods are any better or worse than others. Sure, they talk a bi
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You're quite right. And you just proved my point.If I'm trying to teach you a skill and that skill has nothing to do with your eyes, then why would I want the greediest sense, neurally speaking, sticking its stamp all over the stuff I'm tryin
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It's just not possible to tailor teaching styles and give personal attention when teaching large groups. You'll have most of your students do fine, some of them excel, and some of them having trouble. Letting them use vision adds more variab
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Hi Jayde,I did not in any way imply that it was sacred. I meerly stated that senses are more than a tool, and are part of your fundemental experiences of the world, due to them shaping experiences at a basic level. For example, recall any memory. If you
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Again, I feel like the thrust of the training is being missed here.No one is forcing you to undergo any of this against your will. If you don't want to undergo this sort of training, feel free to simply not do it. This is true of things such as w
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I'll also go over another thing mentioned here in the thread. Vision isn't a tool, the same way a GPS app or phone is. It is a sense, therefore it is safe to say that it is fundementally a part of the person possessing said sense. I would be
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I'll also go over another thing mentioned here in the thread. Vision isn't a tool, the same way a GPS app or phone is. It is a sense, therefore it is safe to say that it is fundementally a part of the person possessing said sense. I would be
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Hi,I'll respond to the developments in this thread. For blindness training, I think that approaching it as training to perform a task exclusively without sight is ultimately a harmful approach. Mobility and orientation training should ultimately a
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@126 there are many factors that could go into the matter of a person being able to live life without training. Anything from parents raising you sheltered to the age at which your brain tells you to listen to yourself sometimes instead of to the general
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I hope this doesn't come across as snobbish. I live on my own and I had no help of any training center. Most of the stuff I'm learning and teaching my self. If I need food I order all my shopping. I am one month ahead on my bills. Wile I do not l
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@4 I disagree that the blind would be living in group homes. And as fore college I don't want to even get into that.
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I agree about handwriting. If you're not taught that at the same time your sighted peers are learning it, you're never going to understand it, at least not well. My signature looks like crap too, but the thing is that some sighted people don'
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Also, blindness *is* a disability. I don't know what delusional fantasy these people live in, but it is the truth nevertheless. Can we overcome many of the obstacles blindness puts in our path, yes. Does that change the fact that is was a disability i
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I personally like the nfb, accept for the fact that they sugar code being blind. Like, for example, blindness can't hold you back. Well, newsflash, it actually can. I can't drive a car, or use lots of home devices with touch screens with out sight
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So I'm assuming that there are people there with some vision? If not how would they know if you just took yours off? I agree about hand writing although my signature is also crap and I should work on it. I also think though if you are in a place where
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signing is slightly different as its cursive rather than print. The letters look different, and you never lift the pen until the word ends, so they sort of flow together. They don't always look like their print counterparts either. Also to further my ex
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I agree about teaching print. As an adult, here in the US at least, you are required to sign legal documents (and do various other things, including the kind act of writing a thank you note and such) where printing something out just wouldn't suffice. A
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As someone with some usable vision, I can tell you that it does conflict a lot with what you're trying to do when you know you can't do it visually. For instance, I have a red plastic liquid measuring cup that goes up to two cups. If I wanted to
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yes jade you are correct, people that are completely blind do not have to wear the shades. You only have to wear them during classes, and sometimes there are shade breaks during classes as well. @115 I don't think they are intending to make everyone c
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If you have no usable vision, you don't wear sleep shades. That's how I understand it. Just wanted to straighten that out.
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The only thing I take issue with there is the fact that people will automatically be intimidated just because they might have varying degrees of vision. At the center I went to, there were at least 3 people who were losing their sight due to a variety of
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So I am at one of these centers' blind inc in minnesota. Please feel free to ask questions. To some extent it does depend on the center you to go it seems, for example some of the counselors here were talking about how they wouldn't want to
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I don't have extensive testing with an NFB-endorsed long cane, the kind that doesn't fold. But personally, I have an extremely good sense of touch. I can tell when carpet texture changes, or when sidewalk turns into asphalt (yes, even old sidewalk
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A few things. If you think that you have the right to sit in an exit row just because you feel it's discriminatory if you're not allowed to, then you're not someone I want around me, or to be flying with. You can't think of anyth
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Hi:I just finished reading this thread ... parts of it were downright hilarious (Jade, how old was the lad or lass who jumped on your cane?) ... Does a cane up to one's nose really sound practical? For anyone? I'm about five ft. eleven, and a
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@102, see post 47 and 48 in regards to airplane exit rows.I'm trying to picture a non-foldable cane up to my nose being at all practical and failing. Just no. I said that I use a cane that comes up to my collarbone, in retrospect I over estimated. stern
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Canes aren't made to last, if they ever were. Luckily, they're actually not stupid expensive the way most blindtech is, although I still get the impression they could be cheaper. (I could make something passable for half the price of the one curr
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NFB Newsline is a very nice service, I'll admit. I've used it myself since about 2008 or so. It wouldn't matter which organization backed it, though, because it's a necessity for a lot of people. That would be like if Bookshare had bee
Re: What is wrong with the NFB?
Nfb is an organization in America. It stands for National federation for the blind.
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Hi all,could someone please explain what NFB means? I absolutely have no idea what it could mean or what that is.Thanks.
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Dude who the heck jumped on your cane.
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lol As far as the bit about how a folding cane hides my blindness?Uh, no.That is an issue for some people - I have known someone who wanted a cane small enough to put in her purse, specifically so nobody would see it - but that is generally not the norm. I
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In Colorado, we have no “ACB” anymore, and it has been like that since 2016. It “was” replaced by a3colorado.org , though even that seems to be no more as of June 30th 2019.All Colorados’ got now includes the Colorado Center For The Blind / National
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So, I only made it to post 42, but these are my thoughts.First, the NFB has come across since I was made aware of them as kind of the big brother of the blind community, "don't use our canes? There's something wrong with you. This works fo
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The other thing is that calling them sleep shades may make it sound more palatable, but actually, it's pretty stupid to associate a training tool with rest. I doubt the experiences you have there are anything but relaxing and restorative.
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Hi,There is a position noone here has touched upon here regarding blindfolds. Depriving a sense for an extended amount of time can actually cause structural damage to the brain, as the brain reorginizes itself to cope with the sense which isn't presen
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@95: long = anywhere from collarbone to nose. In public school, I was taught sternum-armpit, and I've heard people claim that naval is better.Re: remaining vision, lots of good points, here. One people have missed is that the training centers are tryi
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By all means, use your own vision the way you want; just don't do it on the NFB's clock, so to speak. That's how I've always seen it. If you go away from there and you figure out tricks to enhance your skills, fine, but they're not
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Hi.A little thought from my side before I hop off to bed.The problem I see with putting all the participants on the same level is that while you have an environment where everyone is the same and has to use the same methods to get by, it renders the
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I agree with the last post. Also, it wouldn't be such a problem if the literature the NFB has put out over the years wasn't full of this dogma. Just as reading the Bible turns many people away from religion while watching others cling desperately t
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I agree with the last post. Also, it wouldn't be such a problem if the literature the NFB has put out over the years wasn't full of this dogma. Just as reading the Bible turns many people away from religion while watching others cling desperately t
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When people say long cane, how long are they talking. I've always been taught to use a cane that comes up to around the collarbone and I can't imagine using anything longer. I can't imagine a situation where that would be an advantage no matt
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On that, you have my complete and utter agreement. I'm not a fan of dogma of any kind, and would prefer that people back themselves up with logic and results and all the rest, wherever possible.That said, just because you insist on a few specific techn
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But there again, is that really the one true path to happiness, so to speak? I think not. A person who is newly blind, or losing their vision, is in an extremely vulnerable position, just as, let's say, a homeless alcoholic who has hit rock botto
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See, here's the thing. If you have a class of fifteen people, and they're all at different vision levels, and they all have varying ability to use that vision, then that means you have to cater to fifteen individual cases, where you may not be ab
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See, here's the thing. If you have a class of fifteen people, and they're all at different vision levels, and they all have varying ability to use that vision, then that means you have to cater to fifteen individual cases, where you may not be ab
Re: What is wrong with the NFB?
Well. It's how they choose to do things. Again. people go of their own free will.
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But who are they to say whether or not someone should be allowed to use their remaining vision? I'll grant you that, if someone is seeking out a training center, that person is most likely suffering ill effects caused by vision loss, but that doesn'
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Now, to respond a bit more to criticisms of the NFB. I'm not associated with any organization, BTW, so I have no horse in this race.1. The reason there aren't a lot of really awful reviews...maybe that's because there aren't a lot of real
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@Rashid, that's a fair amount of snark, I'll grant you, but the fact that you actually came and brought it to our attention the way you did? Well, the air has cleared and you're not being snarky about it. Basically, if you've already reco
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In regards to structured discovery, the reason it outrages me as much as it does is that, while it's true that no one is ever forced to go to a training center, they are beneficial for a lot of folks. I have written many posts of significant l
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If we are handing out warnings, I probably deserve one for 66, where I have to admit I stepped slightly over the line.
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Ethin, you're getting a warning as much for the way you've approached this whole thing as for exactly what you're asking.If you'd made one or two posts to the tune of "Hey, if you can't/won't provide proof, I have t
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@83, no, its not verifiable.
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@80, I only asked for his creds *after* post 50. Not before. I also don't feel like you should put 3/4 of the blame of the drama happening on this topic on me; I was mostly reacting, and when I wasn't, I was responding with very valid argument
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Hi.at Ethin, what about the university graduation he posted in 74, what about that one? I suppose we can't really see if it's fake or not.Greetings Moritz.
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@80, I only asked for his creds *after* post 50. Not before. I also don't feel like you should put 3/4 of the blame of the drama happening on this topic on me; I was mostly reacting, and when I wasn't, I was responding with very valid argument
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@Jayde: I would provide the info, if I could without identifying myself. However, since I only got my LLB last year, and my LPC this year (the lpc is the thing that lets you be a solicitor in the UK), no company has entered me onto a database since my
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Moderation:Okay, first and foremost, can I just say how utterly ridiculous this dogpile was? And Ethin, you were responsible for about 78% of it, give or take.As such, I'm issuing you a warning. You don't seem to get it. You don't seem to re
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lol, could also be pointed out that those touch screen ordering things in mcdonalds/kfc/a few other places still aren't accessible, years after launch. They might have had the right end of the stick on that one, particularly as I can imagine autom
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@77Thanks for the description, that was more the understanding I was looking for. I must disagree with you on the blind mobility teacher thing though, of all the various mobility teachers I've had the only one who was blind himself was one of the be
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I do not like the NFB. I went to an NFB camp when I was 7 and the most excited thing we did was go to some cabin for an overnight trip. It not being an actual camp aside here's what was wrong with it. First day getting breakfast they wouldn't let m
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@75, You clearly were intending to get into a discusion of political beliefs; otherwise you wouldn't have posted anything political, right?And no, this topic really didn't serve a purpose. It could've, but you used it as your little political
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I wanted to find out peoples issues with the NFB, I wasn't expecting to get into a political discussion with everybody. I've not attempted to troll whatsoever, these are beliefs I've held for a number of years.
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@73, its called a scanner... or a PDF reader. But that's enough.I significantly doubt this topic serves a purpose (did it ever?)... might we allow the mods to make decisions and all that now?
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@67 sure, find me something that will enable me to scan in a document and redact my name, the place I studied at and wear I live, independently. What I am however happy to do is post a redacted version of my university confirming my degree last year:Dear J
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@71, why would I want to troll him at his place of work? I doubt I even live in his state, and it would serve no purpose. All I've been doing is having fun destroying pretty much every argument and methodology he throws my way; I don't think that&
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@71, why would I want to troll him at his place of work? I doubt I even live in his state, and it would serve no purpose. All I've been doing is having fun destroying pretty much every argument and methodology he throws my way; I don't think that&
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Because if you wanted to troll him, what better way to do it than at his place of work. And while his certification would probably not have his current place of employment on it, frankly no idea if it does, it'd surely have enough info on it to le
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defender wrote:What is wrong with the NFB? A few things, what is wrong with G97? Apparently allot...You give all disabled people a bad name with your ridiculously reckless attitude and Misanthropic outlook. I would never have you represent me in court
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@68, and why would I care about where he works? That's not relevant to my question; I am only asking for the certificate that proves he actually is a lawyer. He can omit irrelevant details.
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As to what you could find out based on the certification? Well, place of work comes to mind at the least.
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@65, and again, omit the information that's sensitive. I'm not asking for your entire life story, dude. And I was asking this long before you submitted this topic and showed the world what degrees you would go to to get your image of the world to
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Someone who doesn't value their life. Now, I wonder where we could find one of those people...oh wait.
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@58 we don't have a state bar where I am. We have the law society. I've never tried looking myself up on their website, but I doubt you'd find me either given that I qualified very recently, and don't start my actual term of employment
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Your life is not your concern? I will be speaking a little off-topic, but ehh, jump out the nearest window you can find, then. We don't need you killing people while trying to drive a car, so at least endanger just yourself.
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@61, yeah, I know, I thought about editing it to just include the URLs.But what kind of sensitive information does it actually include? Notice how he's never specified exactly what it has, just vague statements. If he wants us not to know something sens
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You don't care for your life being in danger? I will be speaking a little off-topic, but ehh, jump out the nearest window you can find, then. We don't need you killing people while trying to drive a car, so at least endanger just yourself.
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You don't care for your life being in danger? I will be speaking a little off-topic, but ehh, jump out the window then. We don't need you killing people while trying to drive a car, so at least endanger just yourself.
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The certification has a lot more personal information than his name on it, though.
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@59, I'm not talking about anything sensitive like his drivers license. His legal certification (I don't remember what is) is publicly available on his states BAR website; all you need know is his name. That is nothing even close to such a thing as
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Also quick request Re: 56.You do this a lot, so I'm just trying to be constructively critical. Instead of pasting three paragraphs that you then don't need for your argument, in future could you just post the retentive sections of a document with
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@59, I'm not talking about anything sensitive like his drivers license. His legal certification (I don't remember what is) is publicly available on his states BAR website; all you need know is his name. That is nothing even close to such a thing as
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Clearly you don't. Just because my address is on my driver's license doesn't mean I'm going to send it to you in a PM. I don't know you, and have no reason to trust you over anyone else on the internet.
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@57, I get that. But he could've sent me a PM, for example. He could've used any form of private communications, insead of hiding it entirely. As I said, its not like its private information; its available on his states BAR website.
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Yeah. unlike most, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, Because I totally get not wanting to connect your internet persona to your real self, something @53 doesn't seem to get.But, and excuse me for being harsh here, @50, Gees, I
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Agree with 54-55. Let's go over the stuff he's violating. First, the decl. of independents:Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have
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What is wrong with the NFB? A few things, what is wrong with G97? Apparently allot...You give all disabled people a bad name with your ridiculously reckless attitude and Misanthropic outlook. I would never have you represent me in court, let alone out of
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Hi.@52 sorry, but saying that you got compromised on the internet wit h your data is the easiest thing to say these days, this can happen to anyone.You claim that you are a loyer, but yet at the same time you don't publish your loyar ID or what eve
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