Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread Robin Bowes
El Duderino wrote: iPhone;409297 Wrote: If you are going to use FLAC or some other lossless format and can afford the Transporter, keep it and enjoy the music instead of wasting time setting up incorrect/incomplete testing procedures. Not sure what prompted such an unpleasant reply. Oh,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread JJZolx
ralphpnj;409303 Wrote: Man does my head hurt. After trying and trying to get some of my fellow audiophiles over at the Stereophile forum to see the light regarding music servers What light is that? Why do you feel such an overwhelming desire to convince others that your approach to audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2009-03-24 Thread darrenyeats
cdmackay;409325 Wrote: Given these caveats, I can't really state anything more than a personal preference. The problem would come if I tried to make an absolute judgment about it. that's my problem with some of these discussions: we see quite a lot of these absolute statements.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2009-03-24 Thread JezA
better make sure the tea-cups are matched for level then. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread boxerboy
El Duderino: I think that a two channel audio system should be in balance. I believe that a financial ratio of 50% for speakers, 33% for amplification and 17% for sources is about right. I am very familiar with Aperian speakers and have purchased the 5T's for my daughter. They provide

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2009-03-24 Thread Robin Bowes
someone wrote: These blanket assertions of superiority of one source over another w/o some rigorous testing are quite invalid and boring. Robin Bowes wrote: I agree. Mainly because the language used is inevitably some thing like X blows Y away, or similar. For example, in this case:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread regalma1
Luddites were people who tried to stop the dehumanizing aspects of technology. They were not opposed to technology, per se. The equivalent in an audiophile might be someone who embraces advances that actually advance high fidelity, but opposes the world being forced into 128 kbps MP3s whether we

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2009-03-24 Thread jaysung
Hello, The user interface from Linn is a different story, but I have seen some promising things from some of the third party developers Could somebody give me more info on that? I am just now deciding if a customer gets an akurate DS from Linn or a transporter from logitech. Usability is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread El Duderino
boxerboy;409542 Wrote: El Duderino: I think that a two channel audio system should be in balance. I believe that a financial ratio of 50% for speakers, 33% for amplification and 17% for sources is about right. I am very familiar with Aperian speakers and have purchased the 5T's for my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2009-03-24 Thread WhatsNext
Robin Bowes;409580 Wrote: someone wrote: These blanket assertions of superiority of one source over another w/o some rigorous testing are quite invalid and boring. Robin Bowes wrote: I agree. Mainly because the language used is inevitably some thing like X blows Y away, or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread tomjtx
duderino, how are you level matching? Are you using your preamp to chanege the level or are you lowering the volume on the TP. You should set both the SB and TP to max volume and use the preamp to change the volume to match. You raise the noise floor if you use the digital volume and might

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2009-03-24 Thread WhatsNext
jaysung;409586 Wrote: Hello, Could somebody give me more info on that? I am just now deciding if a customer gets an akurate DS from Linn or a transporter from logitech. Usability is one of the biggest concerns. The idea is that he has the UI on his lcd Sony 40 inch screen. Linngui runs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread El Duderino
tomjtx;409614 Wrote: duderino, how are you level matching? Are you using your preamp to chanege the level or are you lowering the volume on the TP. You should set both the SB and TP to max volume and use the preamp to change the volume to match. You raise the noise floor if you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread Listener
Some time ago I noticed a theme in some audiophile posts. My wife uses iTunes to fill her iPod. I don't use a computer for music at all. so I posted survey questions on the audioAsylum digital drive forum asking 1) if audiophiles used a computer to play music and 2) did any family member use

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread mlsstl
I'll just throw in my two cents on this subject. I auditioned the Transporter under their trial offer and ended up keeping my SB3 to use with a Lavry DA-10 external DAC. I could find no audible difference between them to justify keeping the Transporter. That was about two years ago and I've had

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread El Duderino
Robin Bowes;409472 Wrote: Thank *you* for a superb riposte to a typical audiophile post. :) R. It was my pleasure. ;) -- El Duderino El Duderino's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8171

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread boxerboy
El Duderino: I am going to share with you the way that I audition equipment. You are cerainly free to use other selections that you may find more in tune with your tastes. I have used the same four tracks to test different audio systems for several years. This enables me to establish a base

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread BigEars
Listener;409634 Wrote: Some time ago I noticed a theme in some audiophile posts. My wife uses iTunes to fill her iPod. I don't use a computer for music at all. I wonder if this is a 'macho' response. As in ...no I don't do it, but not because it is too techie (my wife can), but it is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2009-03-24 Thread Phil Leigh
WhatsNext;409624 Wrote: You are looking at two different levels of product both from usability and sound. Logitech does a much better job of usability with SC7 and the Squeezebox Controller. You have cover art, easier playlist, and more intuitive controls. You also have a lot more

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread Quad
One argument for the Transporter: It is able to play 96kHz files. As long as the most common way to get digital music is ripping standard CDs it's not a big advantage. But the more you can buy music online the more I would love being able to play the best quality offered. I'm extremely happy

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread Phil Leigh
Quad;409695 Wrote: One argument for the Transporter: It is able to play 96kHz files. As long as the most common way to get digital music is ripping standard CDs it's not a big advantage. But the more you can buy music online the more I would love being able to play the best quality

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread Quad
Phil Leigh;409699 Wrote: ...and a small counter-argument: 24/96 don't sound ANY different to 24/48... :-) Thats possible... never had the chance to try due to a lack of Transporter. ;-) Maybe there some serious testing would be appropriate. -- Quad

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?

2009-03-24 Thread efroy
Hey. Im not happy with the sound my Duet produce vs my CD-player. There is a huge difference in volume, details dissapair when playing flac rips using my Duet vs the org. CD, there is much more punch in my CD-player output. Whats strange is that i feel the sound gotten worse lately. I feel the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread Teus de Jong
El Duderino;409630 Wrote: ... I did find that the SB3 was somewhat fatiguing to listen to due to unrefined/harsh highs. That seems to have resolved with the Transporter. In my eyes :-) that's not a small feat. I have seen all kinds of phrases used to illustrate the quality of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?

2009-03-24 Thread ralphpnj
The internal DAC on the Duet is most definitely it's weakest point. Get external DAC, like either the Beresford or Cambridge you mentioned, and the sound will undergo a vast improvement and you'll love your Duet once again. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2009-03-24 Thread adamslim
jaysung;409586 Wrote: Hello, Could somebody give me more info on that? I am just now deciding if a customer gets an akurate DS from Linn or a transporter from logitech. Usability is one of the biggest concerns. The idea is that he has the UI on his lcd Sony 40 inch screen. Linngui runs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?

2009-03-24 Thread Dean100
Can you provide some more information? Are you using the digital out or the analog out on the Duet? Do you have replay gain turned on? If using the digital out, what is the volume set at? We need some further information in order to help you. I would make sure you have everything set properly

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?

2009-03-24 Thread Teus de Jong
An external DAC could of course help. But volume differences have nothing to do with a DAC. I'm confused about this volume difference part (the analog output of the duet is about the same as that of a normal CD player). Are you using replay gain? This is not a bad thing I use album gain all the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread sfraser
iPhone;409297 Wrote: If you are going to use FLAC or some other lossless format and can afford the Transporter, keep it and enjoy the music instead of wasting time setting up incorrect/incomplete testing procedures. First, common sense should tell you that you are wasting your time as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread ralphpnj
JJZolx;409474 Wrote: What light is that? Why do you feel such an overwhelming desire to convince others that your approach to audio source components is better than another? I suppose that I was being a tad harsh but it's really not about my way or the highway, rather it's about investing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?

2009-03-24 Thread efroy
I use analog out on my Duet, my amp dont have digital input. My setting was No Volume Adjustment. Ive tried track and album gain, i did not notice any difference. Volume on my Controller is turned to max, still it does not produce the volume i get when playing CDs. Settings - Advanced - File

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?

2009-03-24 Thread SuperQ
So turn up your amp? Sounds like a bug in the CD player to me. I would try doing a level-match comparison between the DAC in the Duet and CD Player (use an audio level meter with a white-noise CD track) before you decide that the output of the Duet is worse. I'm going to bet once you level the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread Calum Mackay
Quad wrote: meter is needed. Would you really consider blind-testing scotch single malt vs. bourbon? ;-) If you're ever in the area, let me know and we can find out :) ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with ampmatching - are these specs ok?

2009-03-24 Thread Anne
Hello again cyber, have you seen this? http://www.hifisentralen.no/forum/index.php?topic=32763.0 -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Anne's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless

2009-03-24 Thread dtash123
I've been a satisfied SB3 user for over 5 years but still have problems with the wireless signal cutting out. I am considering running a 50' ethernet cable from my Verizon Fios router directly to the ethernet input of the SB3. Will doing this degrade the sound quality in any way and are there any

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless

2009-03-24 Thread JJZolx
dtash123;409798 Wrote: I've been a satisfied SB3 user for over 5 years but still have problems with the wireless signal cutting out. I am considering running a 50' ethernet cable from my Verizon Fios router directly to the ethernet input of the SB3. Will doing this degrade the sound quality

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs. Wireless

2009-03-24 Thread Phil Leigh
There is no... NO ... difference in audio quality using wired vs. wireless. Enjoy. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound issue, Duet. Will an external DAC help?

2009-03-24 Thread JezA
I've a Cambridge Audio Dacmagic, which I use with a SB Duet. The Dacmagic is superb,effortlessly listenable to; the SB on it's own is just not really very good at all; squashed, congested, harsh.. fine for the money, possibly, but the Dacmagic puts it and you in a whole different league. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread Listener
ralphpnj;409768 Wrote: So I guess the light we're talking about is the light of progress. If you had expressed the same amount of enthusiasm for something like set amplifiers as the only way to go, it would not have produced the wave of defensive posts. I've seen lots of threads like

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread ralphpnj
Listener;409838 Wrote: Hard to admit that the world is passing you by. Your wife is going modern and your kids have been with it since they could walk. I just love those two sentences - says it all very nicely. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter

2009-03-24 Thread El Duderino
boxerboy;409662 Wrote: El Duderino: I am going to share with you the way that I audition equipment. You are cerainly free to use other selections that you may find more in tune with your tastes. I have used the same four tracks to test different audio systems for several years. This

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles

2009-03-24 Thread alZmtbr
Well, I think I must be a Luddite... Tho I do load the wife's iPODs. I very much enjoy what comes off of the big black discs. I occasionally even hook up the LD player and the BetaMax! http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=404340postcount=928 -- alZmtbr