I've played with the DVD version of the newest Depeche Mode album. The
5.1 tracks sounded good but downmixing via software (DVD audio
extractor I think) made them seem worse than the CD version and worse
than the 5.1 version. Some parts were too loud compare to the original
and stood out. There
I thought about that, so I re-checked the levels in audacity later
against the original WAV files.
Robin,
you did not tell me yet: which problem with Behringer did you have?
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This Matrix stereo downmix is a feature of the DVD-A system it -should-
work , hmm maybe time to drag out my copy was it Brothers in Arms ?
Normally you only use this if there is no Stereo track on the DVD-A .
technically these downmix "works" but artistically they could be
whatever.
It's a cour
On 20/05/10 20:22, michael123 wrote:
>
> With Behringer, I dealt with few frequencies in 40-170Hz range, so far
> it sounds good..
>
> This specific album I downmixed in foobar using '5.1 to stereo' effect,
> I think it is using standard mixing matrix.
> But it is not about this album, I was aski
On 20/05/10 20:20, mswlogo wrote:
>
> Phil Leigh;549300 Wrote:
>> It is simply NOT possible to emulate Jitter in DSP, since jitter is a
>> phenomena that occurs in time intervals that are less than one sample
>> duration, and there is no way in DSP software to manipulate such
>> things, since the
With Behringer, I dealt with few frequencies in 40-170Hz range, so far
it sounds good..
This specific album I downmixed in foobar using '5.1 to stereo' effect,
I think it is using standard mixing matrix.
But it is not about this album, I was asking in general..
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Phil Leigh;549300 Wrote:
> It is simply NOT possible to emulate Jitter in DSP, since jitter is a
> phenomena that occurs in time intervals that are less than one sample
> duration, and there is no way in DSP software to manipulate such
> things, since the basic "unit of work" for DSP is a "sample
Phil Leigh;549272 Wrote:
> Michael - I'm not sure, you need advice from a Behringer owner.
> Are you boosting any frequencies or just cutting?
> For example, if you were boosting by 6dB at 500Hz, you need to lower
> the overall behringer level by -6dB (at least, this is how my TACT
> works).
>
>
bhaagensen;549308 Wrote:
> I believe thats the entire sentiment of my last couple of posts.
>
>
>
> But its practical difficulty created by the shortcomings of the
> protocol. Why create a problem and then go to great lenghts to solve
> it, when there are known solutions that avoid it in the f
Got to go! Wagner-concert :)
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Phil Leigh;549305 Wrote:
> There is nothing truly "voodoo" about their approach.
>
I believe thats the entire sentiment of my last couple of posts.
Phil Leigh;549305 Wrote:
>
> ...And I don't agree with your analysis. S/PDIF is problematic ONLY
> because of the practical difficulty of accura
bhaagensen;549277 Wrote:
> IMO many are viewing the nature of the problem wrongly or perhaps
> limited - and hence understand things in a far too complicated manner.
> See my next comment for more on this.
>
>
>
> Yes the clock solution *to the jitter problem* is in theory also as
> good as i
Phil Leigh;549300 Wrote:
> It is simply NOT possible to emulate Jitter in DSP, since jitter is a
> phenomena that occurs in time intervals that are less than one sample
> duration, and there is no way in DSP software to manipulate such
> things, since the basic "unit of work" for DSP is a "sample
It is simply NOT possible to emulate Jitter in DSP, since jitter is a
phenomena that occurs in time intervals that are less than one sample
duration, and there is no way in DSP software to manipulate such
things, since the basic "unit of work" for DSP is a "sample"
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You want to se
cliveb;549231 Wrote:
> Moreover, it's the *correct* way to achieve the goal of isolating the
> DAC from the effects of transport jitter.
Only if assuming that it is inherently necessary for the transport and
DAC to be tied in time. Its not.
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cliveb;549231 Wrote:
> And I may have misunderstood how complicated the Naim DAC is - all the
> explanations I've read make it out to be rather complex.
>
IMO many are viewing the nature of the problem wrongly or perhaps
limited - and hence understand things in a far too complicated manner.
Se
michael123;549235 Wrote:
> OK
> so, practically, what shall I do with Behringer?
> Shall I leave Gain Offset on -2db, lower (or raise) it to -6db, or
> reset it back to zero?
> What's the difference between this and replay gain, since both are done
> digitally?
Michael - I'm not sure, you need
albertbope;549178 Wrote:
> ???
> Coaxial output and SPDIF output are together? I mean, you have to use
> both outputs to get digital audio?? Do I need to use 2 cables? I'm very
> lost right now. I got a HDD with a coaxial output and I used to connect
> it to HiFi system, I tried the same with squ
And that the cable is good.
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Make sure that you have your receiver set to use the correct digital
input when you connect the Touch via digital.
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darrenyeats;549234 Wrote:
> I say let's move on from this one...
> Darren
Please...
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF
Triplethreat(Audiocom fu
Phil Leigh;549232 Wrote:
> erm...no.
> Digital clipping is not like analogue clipping (as I'm sure you know).
> Any distortion is embedded in the "clipped" bits already. The TP DAC is
> not adding any extra of its own - there is nothing louder than digital
> +0dB.
> MSWLOGO's recent tests show th
SoftwireEngineer;549117 Wrote:
> I am certain we can hear jitter..the whole audiophile genre of players
> and transports maybe overpriced but they do address a real problem -
> jitter. Without controlling this someway or other you cannot have
> quality playback. (BTW, somebody tell me the brandna
I agree with you that backwards-compatibility with all the extant SPDIF
sources that don't have word clock inputs is a very significant plus
point for any DAC. And I may have misunderstood how complicated the
Naim DAC is - all the explanations I've read make it out to be rather
complex.
However,
michael123;549222 Wrote:
> Sure, but the point is that Transporter might handle them better, with
> less distortion
erm...no.
Digital clipping is not like analogue clipping (as I'm sure you know).
Any distortion is embedded in the "clipped" bits already. The TP DAC is
not adding any extra of its
Phil Leigh;549219 Wrote:
> Replaygain does nothing to clipped files other than make them quieter.
> They are still clipped.
Sure, but the point is that Transporter might handle them better, with
less distortion
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Replaygain does nothing to clipped files other than make them quieter
(and a very very very tiny bit noisier). They are still clipped.
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + G
callesoroe;549208 Wrote:
> There is no transcoding in this?? so I can not see that it should use
> sox. The software defenately don't use sox, because I am running
> SB-server on a ReadyNas server, and it don't have the power to run SOX.
> And replay gain works fine here...
OK, reading some mate
michael123;549198 Wrote:
> Thanks, I know that there is a tag.
> I asked about the implementation of this feature in Squeezebox Server,
> is it done via sox? It is like digital attenuation, that shall
> implement some sort of dithering
There is no transcoding in this?? so I can not see that it s
cliveb;549184 Wrote:
> Are you seriously suggesting that all the hoops Naim jump through is a
> simpler solution than just sending a feed from the DAC's clock to the
> transport? I respectfully suggest you have this completely the wrong
> way round.
Yes :) I simply don't see what the jumps and h
Thanks, I know that there is a tag.
I asked about the implementation of this feature in Squeezebox Server,
is it done via sox? It is like digital attenuation, that shall
implement some sort of dithering
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micha
callesoroe;549192 Wrote:
> It is a built in function in the Squeezeboxserver software. But it
> requires that your files has replay gain TAG information. It can easily
> be done as a batch run with the foobar200 program(free software). And
> important. When you add the information with the foobar
michael123;549170 Wrote:
> How this replay gain works?
> Which part of the chain implements it?
It is a built in function in the Squeezeboxserver software. But it
requires that your files has replay gain TAG information. It can easily
be done as a batch run with the foobar200 program(free softw
bhaagensen;549155 Wrote:
> I too used to think so, but after getting to know the Naim DAC I'm not
> so sure anymore. S/PDIF, as a transmission protocol, is less than
> optimal in the time-dimension in terms of precision required for
> precisely converting audio-data in a synchronous system. Howev
albertbope;549178 Wrote:
> ???
> Coaxial output and SPDIF output are together? I mean, you have to use
> both outputs to get digital audio?? Do I need to use 2 cables? I'm very
> lost right now.
No, you don't need to use 2 cables.
SPDIF is the protocol used for sending audio in a digital format.
???
Coaxial output and SPDIF output are together? I mean, you have to use
both outputs to get digital audio?? Do I need to use 2 cables? I'm very
lost right now. I got a HDD with a coaxial output and I used to connect
it to HiFi system, I tried the same with squeezebox but it didn't work.
So, the
How this replay gain works?
Which part of the chain implements it?
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albertbope;549165 Wrote:
> There's two different digital audio outputs, coaxial (which is a orange
> output), and SPDIF output. My HiFi System does have digital audio
> (coaxial and SPDiF) but when I plug coaxial cable in it doesn't sound
> anything, but it works with another devices. I didn't tr
There's two different digital audio outputs, coaxial (which is a orange
output), and SPDIF output. My HiFi System does have digital audio
(coaxial and SPDiF) but when I plug coaxial cable in it doesn't sound
anything, but it works with another devices. I didn't try the SPDIF
output.
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michael123;548958 Wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am using Transporter with Behringer DEQ2496 in FX loop.
> I can now see clearly that certain albums are recorded with clipping.
> How can I reduce digital amplitude of the signal before it fed into
> DEQ?
Have you tried to use the smart replay gain in SBS?? T
cliveb;549133 Wrote:
>
> Quite so. Anything else is a band-aid solution. And that's why the
> Touch ought to have had a word clock input.
>
I too used to think so, but after getting to know the Naim DAC I'm not
so sure anymore. S/PDIF, as a transmission protocol, is less than
optimal in the ti
cliveb;549133 Wrote:
>
>
> Of course, the question remains: is the issue of transport jitter
> actually a problem? I don't believe it is. If transports sound
> different, my money is on things like grounding issues and the effects
> of EMI on the analogue circuitry.
I agree. I'm concentrating
albertbope;549115 Wrote:
> I've got Squeezebox touch since 5 days ago and when I connect it to my
> HiFi audio system through a coaxial cable doesn't sound at all and
> through analog cables I've got no problem, Am I missing any step about
> cable configuration or something?
Presumably when you s
Phil Leigh;549124 Wrote:
> Chord, Meridan, dCS...
I seem to recall that the first memory-buffer DAC was made way back in
the 1980s by... wait for it... Technics! (Of course, as far as the
audiophile bigots were concerned, any device from that manufacturer
could not possibly be of acceptable quali
SoftwireEngineer;549117 Wrote:
> I am certain we can hear jitter..the whole audiophile genre of players
> and transports maybe overpriced but they do address a real problem -
> jitter. Without controlling this someway or other you cannot have
> quality playback. (BTW, somebody tell me the brandna
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