Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-16 Thread Phil Leigh
magiccarpetride;611427 Wrote: This is a very good reply. Spot on, and I couldn't agree with you more. I was angling toward the view that people who are into digital streaming are way more interested in whether something actually works, than HOW does it work. Like, Soundcheck's mods. If

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread adamdea
magiccarpetride;611296 Wrote: One thing not clear to me is why do people insist that our experiences have nothing to do with reality? Aren't our experiences also reality? Or, to put it more bluntly: what else is there other than our experiences? The point I am trying to make is that the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume, ReplayGain, Crossfade, effect on sound quality

2011-02-16 Thread WAD62
Cheers for the reply chaps... I'll carry on with ReplayGain, and Crossfade, I've not been able to spot any reduction in quality myself. With regard to Volume I always lock it at 100% anyway. However I've tracked down the thread that prompted the 100% Volume query How to lock audio output at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread Phil Leigh
There are of course 4 realities: yours, mine, everyone else's and actual reality... :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume, ReplayGain, Crossfade, effect on sound quality

2011-02-16 Thread WAD62
Phil Leigh;611510 Wrote: That thread ignores one extremely significant point, namely there is NO musical information in the bottom 3 bits of the 24 anyway, because no ADC currently used for audio purpose can capture anything but noise in them. Even if they did, they would be so quiet as to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread garym
Rick58;611445 Wrote: I have not participated in such things, but if I were to, I would insist that I be allowed to provide the music (say, a CD) that contains elements that I know well, and be allowed to take notes and refer to notes that I might bring. For example, say in the song there

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-16 Thread WAD62
I've only ever bothered digitising some of my rare 12s, it's such a pain to do even if you get the volume levels perfect it's going to take an elapsed time of about an hour. Then there's editing the waveform for track lead in etc. Oh and you get scratches surface noise too. Most back catalogue

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-16 Thread bobertuk
Hi all, Has anyone managed to get Inguz running and working with Linux on SbS 7.6/Touch? I use a QNAP TS-509 NAS which should have the horsepower. It's installed up to a point! The SbS 'Home/EQ' WebUI is functioning - including the EQ graphic display and I can modify, save and recall new EQ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread WAD62
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-16 Thread Phil Leigh
bobertuk;611540 Wrote: Hi all, Has anyone managed to get Inguz running and working with Linux on SbS 7.6/Touch? I use a QNAP TS-509 NAS which should have the horsepower. It's installed up to a point! The SbS 'Home/EQ' WebUI is functioning - including the EQ graphic display and I can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-16 Thread bobertuk
Phil Leigh;611555 Wrote: I've noticed the up button problem too - I've stared and stared at the code but can't see what the problem is. Chrome doesn't work either - only IE8! Your Can't open file for... problem could be caused by an error in the custom-convert.conf file that is generated

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread Eriko
Grahame;611448 Wrote: This has been an interesting discussion, But can you be certain of what it is you are hearing, or experiencing? If you are interested I suggest you make some time to watch and listen to the Audio Myths Workshop Video available on youtube at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread magiccarpetride
Phil Leigh;611511 Wrote: There are of course 4 realities: yours, mine, everyone else's and actual reality... :-) You left my dog out of your equation. Was that on purpose? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-16 Thread magiccarpetride
Phil Leigh;611477 Wrote: We need to establish: 1) do the mods work 2) if so, how do they work Then we can move to step 3, which is: utilize the knowledge gained during 1 and 2 above to build better stuff It's great that YOU don't care how things work - but others do need/want to know

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-16 Thread stop-spinning
Actually - another question based on using the USB input on the SB Touch as designed... usually USB is known to induce jitter when playing real time music because the data packets get all chopped up (when not asynchronous of course). However - in the case of the SB Touch one would assume that the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-16 Thread stop-spinning
Or the internal SD card for that matter !!! -- stop-spinning stop-spinning's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43254 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread Rick58
garym;611523 Wrote: of course you could use your own music, take notes, etc. And DBT doesn't mean that you listen to a snippit then switch and listen to another snippit. You can listen for weeks at at time to one source or the other. Take notes, etc. The key is that YOU, the listener, don't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-16 Thread adamdea
magiccarpetride;611592 Wrote: I agree. But let's establish the categories here: 1. Consumers 2. DIY tweakers 3. Manufacturers I am a consumer. You appear to be somewhere inbetween 1 and 2 (or, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you're just an odd case of 1, someone who is incapable of consuming

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-16 Thread garym
magiccarpetride;611592 Wrote: This is the same as when I'm ordering a meal -- the only thing I worry about is whether the food will taste good to me or not. Either way, I have no interest in learning HOW was the food prepared. I'm definitely a consumer, but I do have some interest in HOW

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread garym
Rick58;611600 Wrote: Sounds interesting. I would think that single songs or snippets (switched or not between playback of the same selections) would increase the likelihood of being able to discern the difference. you can do it either way. So you can do some DBT and/or ABX testing with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-16 Thread magiccarpetride
garym;611612 Wrote: I'm definitely a consumer, but I do have some interest in HOW the food was prepared (quality of the ingredients used (particularly in terms of did the stuff come from humane farming operations vs the other end of the spectrum), cleanliness of preparation process, how the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-16 Thread garym
magiccarpetride;611634 Wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with you. For some reason, my statement seems to solicit interpretations that I'm talking about restaurant food. That, however, is not the case. I'm talking about meals I every now and then enjoy when visiting family and friends. (I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-16 Thread aubuti
magiccarpetride;611634 Wrote: For some reason, my statement seems to solicit interpretations that I'm talking about restaurant food. Maybe because you prefaced it with -This is the same as when I'm ordering a meal-, which you presumably don't do with friends and family? Fwiw, I am also

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread bluegaspode
garym;611617 Wrote: If you'd like to play with this, download foobar2000 and the ABX component and do some ABX testing on how well you can distinguish between an mp3 file of various compression levels and a lossless file. I assure you it will be humbling! This is is when I lost the faith

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If you can hear it, can you measure it?

2011-02-16 Thread garym
bluegaspode;611642 Wrote: This is is when I lost the faith in my own hearing capabilities (along with the video shown above and I was shocked, when trying out the test files there myself). Now I'm in the camp of non-believers - and if anyone tells me there is a difference I want at least

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?

2011-02-16 Thread Taylormade
Yes I'm sure the volume was matched because the Rega DAC does not have a volume control. The volume on the touch was set to 100 and was adjusted only with the integrated. -- Taylormade Taylormade's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-16 Thread magiccarpetride
aubuti;611640 Wrote: Maybe because you prefaced it with -This is the same as when I'm ordering a meal-, which you presumably don't do with friends and family? Sadly, I do it, mainly because of my dietary constraints (I'm a vegetarian, I'm watching my cholesterol). -- magiccarpetride

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital vs. Analog (again)

2011-02-16 Thread Daverz
Yeah, I only rip Lps that never made it to CD, and usually only things I want to share with friends at that. One reason not to bother is that with modern cartridges and tonearms, there's no reason not to just play the Lp when you want to hear it. It's not going to wear out. However, if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-16 Thread garym
stop-spinning;611593 Wrote: Actually - another question based on using the USB input on the SB Touch as designed... usually USB is known to induce jitter when playing real time music because the data packets get all chopped up (when not asynchronous of course). hmmm, not sure about

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-16 Thread firedog
garym;611709 Wrote: hmmm, not sure about introducing jitter (jitter is about the timing of the packets as far as I understand). This might be interesting reading (I realize that this is the company's info, but the benchmark DAC I-USB gets good reviews; mostly just a starting place for a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-02-16 Thread firedog
MCR- I'm simply a consumer, per your definitions, but I'm very interested in Phil's tests. Why? I'd like to know if the small improvement I hear (or think I hear) with Soundcheck's mods is possibly based on some actual difference his tweaks make in the audio stream, or if it is entirely imagined