Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-03-04 Thread rydenfan
Haraldo, any updates on the Lipinski's? -- rydenfan rydenfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-03-04 Thread haraldo
rydenfan;275244 Wrote: Haraldo, any updates on the Lipinski's? Hey, Thanks for asking :-D Yeah, I've been in touch with the guys some more, but I'm moving slowly right now, I don't think I'll buy another pair of speakers right now. I already own two very well performing sets that I just can't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-03-04 Thread NoFlyZone
Not much to add here as this is such a subjective question. I'll be asking the same as my current setup is laughable. NuForce 9's SE V2 running into Def Tech BP2000's using my Modded SB3. OK laugh. Still, it sounds great and from the great number of auditions I've been through trying to sort out

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-27 Thread haraldo
rydenfan;271914 Wrote: If you truly want to discuss a monitor that is used in many mixing and mastering studios then you need to discuss the Lipinski montiors. Take a look at this client list... I sent an email to Lipinski, and the guy (Lipinski himself) called me a few hours later and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-27 Thread rydenfan
haraldo;273329 Wrote: I sent an email to Lipinski, and the guy (Lipinski himself) called me a few hours later and wondered what he could do to help, and if I needed assistance in acoustics, room, issues or anything else I have never experienced something like this, these guys seem like

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-27 Thread haraldo
rydenfan;273346 Wrote: I am thrilled that I have turned somebody on to them. I really hope you will keep me updated with how things progress. You bet. :-)) My wife's not going to like this, I have two sets of very well performing speakers (Duntech PCL-15 + Meadowlark Kestrel2), and I'm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-26 Thread haraldo
rydenfan;272932 Wrote: I still believe I should have ordered the littler L-505 instead of my current speakers, but such is life. You should really hear them if you get a chance. I wouldn't be surprised if the smaller L-505 would be even better than the larger ones for two reasons: - Vifa and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-26 Thread bigfool1956
I met a guy called Dieter Ennemoser when I was covering the Vienna hifi show in 1999. An Austrian violin-maker by trade, he had produced a philosophy and associated laquer (C37) which he was using to treat existing components, and to create his own. Anyway he dragged me off to listen to his HUGE

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-26 Thread haraldo
bigfool1956;273158 Wrote: Contrary to expectation, these speakers were the best thing I heard in the whole show. By no means what you would call a conventional presentation - but boy did they make fun music. My point being that big drivers can also work. Thanks - You really got me

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-26 Thread MrJB
I play in stereo through a pair of the S3.4s with a REL sub. For 5.1, I add in a SC center (which is really nice), and 2x Audience 42Ws (not as nice, but great for mounting on the wall with their special bracket, and fine for now as Rear Left and Right). One sits up and takes notice of a good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-25 Thread haraldo
rydenfan;271914 Wrote: If you truly want to discuss a monitor that is used in many mixing and mastering studios then you need to discuss the Lipinski montiors. Take a look at this client list... http://www.lipinskisound.com/customer.aspx http://www.lipinskisound.com/wstl.aspx Rydenfan,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-25 Thread rydenfan
They are most certainly the real deal! With the big L-707 you have the ability to order them with a 600 watt monoblock built into the stand! I have heard a 5 channel system of them and it remains one of the most moving musical experiences of my life. I still believe I should have ordered the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-25 Thread MrJB
Everyone has there own favorite speaker (s). My favorite right now is the Dynaudio S3.4. The most natural sound I have ever heard. You just have to find yours. http://www.dynaudiousa.com/products/contour/s34/s34.htm -- MrJB

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-25 Thread MrJB
Presently using SB3/DAC1/Arcam/Dynaudio speakers. Dynaudios are very natural sounding. Listen to some Dyn's, the bigger the better, you might be surprised. Have fun. -- MrJB MrJB's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-22 Thread rydenfan
If you truly want to discuss a monitor that is used in many mixing and mastering studios then you need to discuss the Lipinski montiors. Take a look at this client list... http://www.lipinskisound.com/customer.aspx http://www.lipinskisound.com/wstl.aspx -- rydenfan

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-21 Thread pski
haraldo;26 Wrote: I reckon it's difficult to discuss such speakers without bringing the power amplifiers into the loop. Does anybody know which amps the famous UK studios are using? I have read that some studios are using very expensive Chord Poweramps, while I have also heard about

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-17 Thread haraldo
wyrob1;263229 Wrote: My SB3 setup is giving me plenty of enjoyment, but time for a speaker upgrade. My current Monitor Audio S10s are OK but cannot keep up with my new amps (Murano Audio IcePower based P-500S [EMAIL PROTECTED]#937;), show full benefit of the DAC1 clarity, nor fill our large

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-05 Thread empty99
wyrob1;263229 Wrote: My SB3 setup is giving me plenty of enjoyment, but time for a speaker upgrade. My current Monitor Audio S10s are OK but cannot keep up with my new amps (Murano Audio IcePower based P-500S [EMAIL PROTECTED]), show full benefit of the DAC1 clarity, nor fill our large

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-03 Thread haraldo
I have never understood the reasoning the Superchargers, they are essentially just another set of Power amplifier that you add after your power amplifier Why have double set of Power Amplifiers instead of just one that does it all I don't believe that just throwing power at your rig solves

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-03 Thread GuyDebord
haraldo;265187 Wrote: I have never understood the reasoning the Superchargers, they are essentially just another set of Power amplifier that you add after your power amplifier Why have double set of Power Amplifiers instead of just one that does it all I don't believe that just throwing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-03 Thread haraldo
GuyDebord;265190 Wrote: I completely second that. More cables and more connections are a no no for me. Plus I dont believe at all in Musical Fidelity's power=better marketing stunt. However, still many speaker manufacturers continue to design very inefficient speakers, and that means

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-03 Thread darrenyeats
Personally I'm in the camp that likes to listen at louder or more realistic volume levels. However, the maximum loudness of a system can work against its performance at low listening levels. You are limited by the dynamic range of all the equipment in the chain, and even the best equipment has

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-03 Thread darrenyeats
GuyDebord;265229 Wrote: the only reason you would need 500w to get decent levels lies in the inefficiency of the speakers used. Fair enough, but I'm talking about comparisons between amps and you keep the same speakers for such comparisons. -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-03 Thread GuyDebord
opaqueice;265239 Wrote: I'm confused. By dynamic range of an amp I assume you just mean maximum power before clipping (maybe divided by noise floor), and almost all solid state amps are capable of supplying more power than almost all tube amps (and with lower noise). So yes, tube amps in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-03 Thread opaqueice
GuyDebord;265263 Wrote: By dynamic range I meant the DIFFERENCE between the highest signal the amplifier can output to the amplifiers output noise. And this difference (ratio) Difference and ratio are not the same thing. You mean ratio. is usually given in db's and certainly not in other

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-02 Thread haraldo
Andrew B.;264594 Wrote: Chord and Bryston are popular amps in the mastering world. Not cheap. But having active speakers like the ATCs solves this drive problem and eliminates a source of distortion (the passive crossover). Andrew My opinion: Another benefit of active speakers are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-02 Thread selfdivider
Get yourself Musical Fidelity Superchargers. They'll drive anything to hell back, and if you wish to keep the sonic signature of your amp (even if it's a low-wattage SET) you can do that, too. Can't lose. -- selfdivider

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-01 Thread Andrew B .
haraldo;26 Wrote: I reckon it's difficult to discuss such speakers without bringing the power amplifiers into the loop. Does anybody know which amps the famous UK studios are using? I have read that some studios are using very expensive Chord Poweramps, while I have also heard about

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-02-01 Thread Andrew B .
Phil Leigh;264361 Wrote: I'm not disagreeing - commercially, you have to eat your own dogfood... But my point really was that if you can create well-balanced masters then the speakers are fundamentally OK. The sound on these CD's is not just to do with compression (they use plenty,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-31 Thread Phil Leigh
Andrew B.;264155 Wrote: I was assuming that was the case - and also discounting it as a special case (a rather biased endorsement). The reason for the high technical quality of the Linn and Naim recordings (I own several of each, not least since I am a former Naimee) is the recording

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-31 Thread haraldo
I reckon it's difficult to discuss such speakers without bringing the power amplifiers into the loop. Does anybody know which amps the famous UK studios are using? I have read that some studios are using very expensive Chord Poweramps, while I have also heard about Electrocompaniet Nemo. The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-31 Thread Phil Leigh
haraldo;26 Wrote: I reckon it's difficult to discuss such speakers without bringing the power amplifiers into the loop. Does anybody know which amps the famous UK studios are using? I have read that some studios are using very expensive Chord Poweramps, while I have also heard about

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-30 Thread GuyDebord
Phil Leigh;263652 Wrote: I suppose you know that a lot of the CD's we enjoy are mastered/balanced using BW's...(not necessarily 802D's for sure, but...) I don't personally know any (UK) mastering studios that uses other than top-end BW, Spendor, ATC, Linn, Naim, Harbeth, PMC etc. I also

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-30 Thread Andrew B .
GuyDebord;263886 Wrote: [...] The truth of the matter is that a lot of mastering is done in a lot of parlance sources including headphones; you said it yourself, Spendor, ATC, Linn and I can add AE's, Dynaudio, Tannoy and so many non audiophile brands, plus double the variety in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-30 Thread adamslim
GuyDebord;263886 Wrote: Dont get me wrong, BW are not bad speakers, but they spend a lot of their budget in heavy branding campaigns which the majority swallow. Lets say they are not the best in the ratio of what you get for the money, Almost all the time I discover how much better are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-30 Thread gsawdy
You may have already considered unbox speakersBut if you haven't, you should definitely try to listen to the Martin-Logan Summits. I would also suggest you try to find a local owner of the Orions. http://www.linkwitzlab.com/orion_us.htm You can sign up and post a request to audition on the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-30 Thread Phil Leigh
Andrew B.;263897 Wrote: Sorry Guy, I have to pick you up on this. Perhaps you are confusing mixing with mastering. I have never seen or heard of anyone mastering on headphones. Occasionally people may mix or mix-check on headphones. But mastering is a very separate and serious discipline,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-30 Thread Andrew B .
Phil Leigh;263952 Wrote: Andrew - the Linn and Naim labels use their own speakers...and their CD sound quality is generally accepted as top notch. I was assuming that was the case - and also discounting it as a special case (a rather biased endorsement). The reason for the high technical

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-30 Thread GuyDebord
Andrew B.;263897 Wrote: Sorry Guy, I have to pick you up on this. Perhaps you are confusing mixing with mastering. I have never seen or heard of anyone mastering on headphones. Occasionally people may mix or mix-check on headphones. But mastering is a very separate and serious discipline,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-29 Thread GuyDebord
iPhone;263497 Wrote: With $10,000 to spend, this would be my two cents. Are the 802Ds a good speaker? They are. Are they a great speaker for the money? In my humble opinion, they are not. About 60 percent of the money is in the cabinet and manufacturing process with about 30 percent going

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-29 Thread opaqueice
wyrob1;263229 Wrote: Wondering if anyone had experience with these speakers and/or any other loudspeakers that could offer similar quality / range to the 802Ds There are many, many options at that price point. Personally I like BWs (and owned a lower-grade model in the past), but I agree

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-29 Thread Phil Leigh
I suppose you know that a lot of the CD's we enjoy are mastered/balanced using BW's...(not necessarily 802D's for sure, but...) I don't personally know any (UK) mastering studios that uses other than top-end BW, Spendor, ATC, Linn, Naim, Harbeth, PMC etc. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-28 Thread GuyDebord
I believe that the most dramatic upgrade you can make are the speakers, and no matter what equipment you have or dac you connect, they will always be limited (or not) by the reproduction capacity of your speakers which are the immediate and most important link between your electronics and you.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-28 Thread haraldo
I have listened to the 802D some times and honestly I have not been that impressed by them, but that's strongly my subjective opinion. You can get Vandersteen Quattro, Thiel CS 3.7 or Dynaudio Confidence C2 at these or lower pricetags, is'n that right? A speaker like Vienna Acoustics Mahler is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-28 Thread haraldo
Trust yourself and your ears !!! Don't trust the reviewers, because they're living of the advertising money from the brands that's reviewed in their magazines, I don't believe they're always being straight -H -- haraldo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-28 Thread Ben Diss
Trust your own ears and get what sounds good to you. Your BW dealers should have a program that would let you audition the speakers in your home with your equipment. I'd advise that you do this as your next step in order to make sure your current equipment and room will sound good with the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-28 Thread Shredder
Definitely don't trust the reviews. I like the BWs. Can't go wrong w/those. As was pointed out, at that price, it is worth listening to a lot of speakers. I have been very impressed w/Von Schweikert and Dali. I own Aerial 9s, which I love and highly recommend. Check Audiogon for great prices.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-28 Thread iPhone
wyrob1;263229 Wrote: My SB3 setup is giving me plenty of enjoyment, but time for a speaker upgrade. My current Monitor Audio S10s are OK but cannot keep up with my new amps (Murano Audio IcePower based P-500S [EMAIL PROTECTED]#937;), show full benefit of the DAC1 clarity, nor fill our large

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-28 Thread selfdivider
I say you audition Kef 205/2; I'd go for those before 802D in a heartbeat. -- selfdivider selfdivider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14941 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-27 Thread wyrob1
My SB3 setup is giving me plenty of enjoyment, but time for a speaker upgrade. My current Monitor Audio S10s are OK but cannot keep up with my new amps (Murano Audio IcePower based P-500S [EMAIL PROTECTED]#937;), show full benefit of the DAC1 clarity, nor fill our large listening space. Some

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.

2008-01-27 Thread zanash
an off the wall solution [and not one that your asking ] would be to swap dac's In a recent one on one the benchmark dac1 [mk1?] faired very poorly against a unit 1/10th its cost. It may well be worth your while auditioning better dac's first as it just would be a waste of money to partner this