Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC recordings available here

2008-08-02 Thread Eric Seaberg
I DL'd some of the 'trial' product as ALAC and some of it wouldn't play in SC until I 're-converted' it to ALAC again. Something strange in their file headers, me thinks. Tagging is also why I decided to do ALAC instead of FLAC. Fixing everything in iTunes is how I prefer to handle it. Of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC recordings available here

2008-08-01 Thread Nonreality
Eric Seaberg;324687 Wrote: http://www.shedworking.co.uk/2007/11/peter-gabriel-shed-of-your-dreams.html Hey Eric, while you're there, could you tell Peter to tell BW to learn to tag? The first one had at least Album and artist tags, the rest had no tags. Then they went from .jpg to pdf for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC recordings available here

2008-07-31 Thread pkfox
Hi Eric, I'm giving the three month trial a go - if it's up to scratch it could save me a lot of money on CD's - what is your connection with Pete Gabriel ? -- pkfox When the going gets weird - the weird turn pro. Hunter S Thompson

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC recordings available here

2008-07-31 Thread bigfool1956
Hi Eric, I got the full tour of Gabriel's studio a few years back. It's by no means a home studio. There are a number of different recording areas, each with it's own unique sound and space. The studio manager is also hifi friendly, and they have paid a lot of attention to various things, such

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC recordings available here

2008-07-31 Thread Eric Seaberg
Peter had finished a 'loft', of sorts, off of his home... I should've specified it wasn't the main studio. The plans have been made available and, actually, the whole 25'x25' building was being given away loaded with gear and instruments as part of a promotion at last October's AES convention in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC recordings available here

2008-07-31 Thread bigfool1956
If I remember rightly, the 'shed' is in the grounds of the studio. Hope you enjoy your trip Eric. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC recordings available here

2008-07-31 Thread Eric Seaberg
http://www.shedworking.co.uk/2007/11/peter-gabriel-shed-of-your-dreams.html -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego A.E.S., S.M.P.T.E., S.P.A.R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC recordings available here

2008-07-30 Thread pkfox
Hi All, got this link today from The Telegraph http://www.bowers-wilkins.co.uk, it's got something to do with Peter Gabriel's studio - just go look... -- pkfox When the going gets weird - the weird turn pro. Hunter S Thompson

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC recordings available here

2008-07-30 Thread Eric Seaberg
The link has been changed. I'm actually going to the UK early September to confirm testing of our new remote audio console (the one in my pic to the left). Peter Gabriel owns the company (Solid State Logic) and I'm planning on spending some time with him at dinner one evening while I'm there.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-07 Thread iPhone
david_a_woodward;316973 Wrote: Hi there, I hope someone can help, I’ve read a fair few posts, but as is often the way can’t find the info I am looking for. I am new to ripping, I have a collection of about 500 CDs and I am on the brink of lashing out some hard earned cash on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread david_a_woodward
Wow, thanks for all the help, very active forum!! thought a question about iTunes v open standards might provoke some debate! I have downloaded dbpoweramp and am very impressed, seen enough to decide this is the way to go, and rip to FLAC and also MP3 for iPod. Just need to figure out how I get

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread darrenyeats
Phil Leigh;317064 Wrote: There are some discs with flawed copy protection schemas that need many many sector re-reads to get the data off acurately... For example, I have The Beatles Let it Be Naked that takes 2 hours to rip with EAC and the disc is in physically mint condition! Well I did

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread m1abrams
david_a_woodward;317191 Wrote: Wow, thanks for all the help, very active forum!! thought a question about iTunes v open standards might provoke some debate! Ah now see you posted in the Audiophile forums. If you wanted some debate you should ask if a $10,000 power cord for your

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread Phil Leigh
darrenyeats;317288 Wrote: Well I did say IME. :) Perhaps I'm spoiled with cdparanoia on Linux...the following sums up my view. http://folk.uio.no/hpv/linuxtoons/dilbert-unix.png Darren That made me laugh - thanks Darren! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread Mark Lanctot
sc53;317065 Wrote: But if it takes 20 mins per disc (Apple Lossless takes about 5 mins per disk) or requires tons of initial setup etc. I'd use iTunes and not worry about that one track out of thousands that may contain an audible error. There are two separate processes here - ripping and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread esbrewer
I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. If iTunes and other less secure rippers popular with the general public do not get hung up on such purposeful errors - where is the deterrent value in their inclusion? Or are the record companies trying to deter the admittedly small percentage of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread Mark Lanctot
esbrewer;317310 Wrote: I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. If iTunes and other less secure rippers popular with the general public do not get hung up on such purposeful errors - where is the deterrent value in their inclusion? Well, record companies aren't the sharpest knives in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread m1abrams
esbrewer;317310 Wrote: I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. If iTunes and other less secure rippers popular with the general public do not get hung up on such purposeful errors - where is the deterrent value in their inclusion? Or are the record companies trying to deter the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread Mark Lanctot
m1abrams;317316 Wrote: Well I not sure about insecure rippers handling those CDs well. I have a CD that has this attempt at DRM in place and I did rip it with iTunes and it ripped very quickly however when I played it back it was full of pops and clicks. Ran it through EAC and it took

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-04 Thread moley6knipe
m1abrams;317316 Wrote: Well I not sure about insecure rippers handling those CDs well. I have a CD that has this attempt at DRM in place and I did rip it with iTunes and it ripped very quickly however when I played it back it was full of pops and clicks. Ran it through EAC and it took

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread david_a_woodward
Hi there, I hope someone can help, I’ve read a fair few posts, but as is often the way can’t find the info I am looking for. I am new to ripping, I have a collection of about 500 CDs and I am on the brink of lashing out some hard earned cash on SB3/Duet/Transporter (3 rooms) and TranquilPC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread radish
My opinion: 1) If you're not 100% tied to iTunes, use FLAC. 2) If you're serious about sound quality, don't use iTunes for ripping. I use dbpoweramp to rip to FLAC for the main library, then the flac2mp3 script to create a low bitrate mp3 copy of everything which is seen by iTunes for loading

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread alekz
Here's a similar discussion: http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6493742 -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread CardinalFang
radish;316977 Wrote: 2) If you're serious about sound quality, don't use iTunes for ripping. That's an interesting comment. Surely if any other ripping tool were being used it would be using the same drive and unless the CD were damaged, there would be very little error concealment

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread ErikM
I use Dbpoweramp to rip to ALAC, I use iTunes to manage the music. Dbpoweramp will allow you to rip to either Flac or ALAC. DBpoweramp is a much better ripper than iTunes it has both secure, ultra secure and accuraterip checking, iTunes has none of these important ripping tools. As far as sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
dbpoweramp is probably the best bet for ripping right now. I have not seen a program that does better for metadata than dbpoweramp including getting coverart. And for secure ripping it does a great job. For your needs I would recommend the reference version. I wish I had dbpoweramp when I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
Forgot to add you can use the Squeezebox controller to control ANY Squeezebox device including the transporter. This even includes the original Slimp3. Heck you can use it to control Softsqueeze. The controller actually does not control the players them self directly it tells the server to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
CardinalFang;316984 Wrote: That's an interesting comment. Surely if any other ripping tool were being used it would be using the same drive and unless the CD were damaged, there would be very little error concealment going on, only error correction, which by definition fixes up any read

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
CardinalFang;316994 Wrote: But it's only an issue if error correction isn't sufficient. Most CDs require error correction, which iTunes handles, very few require concealment or multiple reads to get the data. If error correction is working, then there should be no difference between

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread Phil Leigh
m1abrams;317006 Wrote: No see that is what you are missing Redbook audio really does not have any way to handle error corrections. When audio CDs came out technology did not exist that could handle and correct errors fast enough for streamed audio. So the thought was if a read error occurs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread radish
I see errors that need dbpoweramps's special touch frequently, even on brand new CDs. If I were using iTunes (or any other non-secure ripper) I wouldn't even know there was an issue until/unless I actually heard it. My wife ripped a bunch of CDs with iTunes before we met and I'm now going back

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread Eric Seaberg
m1abrams;317006 Wrote: No see that is what you are missing Redbook audio really does not have any way to handle error corrections. When audio CDs came out technology did not exist that could handle and correct errors fast enough for streamed audio. So the thought was if a read error occurs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread Phil Leigh
Eric Seaberg;317024 Wrote: That's not entirely true - the error correction happens in the CD PLAYER during real-time playback. If there is a frame or two that are corrupt (@ 75-frames per second) then the player interpolates its BEST GUESS of what should fill the 'hole' based on what was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread CardinalFang
m1abrams;317006 Wrote: No see that is what you are missing Redbook audio really does not have any way to handle error corrections. Nope, RedBook does indeed contain error correction. This is from a HP CDROM technical paper, but there are plenty of other references: Because the CD-ROM disk

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
CardinalFang;317030 Wrote: Nope, RedBook does indeed contain error correction - and iTunes has an option to use it. This is from a HP CDROM technical paper, but there are plenty of other references: Because the CD-ROM disk has a very high bit density, it has an inherent error rate of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread DCtoDaylight
CardinalFang;317030 Wrote: Nope, RedBook does indeed contain error correction True, Redbook does contain a certain level of error correction. But if you read through the specs further, this level was deemed un-satisfactory for data CD's, where it's impossible to cover up errors by

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread darrenyeats
Whatever the failings of red book good rippers have it nailed. In short, rubbish CD drives can get bit-perfect rips with cdparanoia or similar rippers. The drive offset has nothing to do with SQ at all. It might affect micro-seconds in terms of when a track starts, I don't stress about it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
darrenyeats;317047 Wrote: EAC and the like might be useful if you've got somewhat scratched discs. This is what I do not get, why would you use any other ripper then? Chances are everyone will come across a CD that needs the error handling that EAC, cdparanoia and dbpoweramp provide.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread Phil Leigh
darrenyeats;317047 Wrote: Whatever the failings of red book good rippers have it nailed. In short, rubbish CD drives can get bit-perfect rips with cdparanoia or similar rippers. The drive offset has nothing to do with SQ at all. It might affect micro-seconds in terms of when a track

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread sc53
I'm a keen audiophile too and have owned lots of good equipment over the years. I started ripping some of my CDs to iTunes about 6 yrs ago when I got my first iPod. I've always used Apple Lossless even on my iPods--I don't try to get my whole music collection on the thing, just what I fancy at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread CardinalFang
m1abrams;317040 Wrote: Bottom line is this, would you want to spend the time to rip 500 CDs and possibly have errors in the data but really have no way to know until you listen to each and every track. Or use a proper program and rip 500 CDs and know that you have no errors in the data.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread radish
It doesn't matter how good your stereo is - garbage in garbage out. I find it astonishing that in the same forum as people talk about things like SPDIF jitter and 24-bit digitial volume scaling as being detrimental to sound quality that there's anyone who's unwilling to use a good ripper. Do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
CardinalFang;317072 Wrote: I'm a Mac user and I do run Parallels, so I could use these other rippers, but to be honest I haven't found the need, because when I did trial them they were painfully slow and gave no discernible improvement. The only reason I posted was because it was said

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread CardinalFang
radish;317085 Wrote: I find it astonishing that in the same forum as people talk about things like SPDIF jitter and 24-bit digitial volume scaling as being detrimental to sound quality that there's anyone who's unwilling to use a good ripper. I do use a good ripper - iTunes. I haven't read

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread krochat
CardinalFang;317087 Wrote: From my standpoint I do use a good ripper - iTunes. I haven't read anything that says it doesn't rip CDs well. So far it's all hearsay and conjecture, no actual data to back it up. I've been checking cds out of the library and ripping them with both iTunes and EAC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
Oh and back to the OP. Since you have 500 CDs and you want to simplify the ripping process and make it faster. dbpoweramp supports batch ripping using many different types of auto-loaders. While the auto-loaders are not exactly cheap it would make fairly quick and painless work of 500 CDs. I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread andynormancx
m1abrams;317098 Wrote: I am anal about my metatags however with dbpoweramps tagging system I would actually trust it with batch ripping and getting the tags right. I wouldn't and I'm not even remotely anal about tags. While dbPowerAmp is absolutely brilliant and its multiple tagging sources

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
andynormancx;317104 Wrote: I wouldn't and I'm not even remotely anal about tags. While dbPowerAmp is absolutely brilliant and its multiple tagging sources are far more reliable than anything else I have used, they do still need some manual cleaning up on some discs. well i have not used the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread andynormancx
m1abrams;317112 Wrote: well i have not used the batch ripper yet. however i think it will give you a report to allow you to tweak the files afterwards. also have you used the llatest ver. with the use of 4 datasources. it really does well. I haven't used the batch ripper either yet. Yes I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread radish
andynormancx;317094 Wrote: Or even better, use the multi encoder functionality to do it all in one go. Very true, and a cool feature. If anyone cares, the reason I don't do it this way is that I sometimes find myself editing tags post-rip (correct a spelling error, normalize a genre,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?

2008-07-03 Thread m1abrams
andynormancx;317094 Wrote: Or even better, use the multi encoder functionality to do it all in one go. I have dbPowerAmp set up so that it rips flacs into one folder, hi bit rate MP3s into another folder and low bit rate MP3s for my phone into a third folder. All completely automatic once

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-06-30 Thread muski
TwistedWave;313839 Wrote: The native FLAC metadata are not transcoded, however. I understand this is something most of you would be interested in, and I plan to make this work for a future version. Thomas -- This sure would be great if you can get this working. Can I add one enhancement?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-06-20 Thread flax
Hi, I installed twistedflac and was amazed about this tricky piece of software. But importing the twistedflac-drive in iTunes they were completely untagged, only the filename is shown. The FLACs were all tagged by MediaMonkey. What has gone wrong? regards Flax -- flax

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-06-20 Thread kphinney
Not sure what went wrong. I have all of my tags but no artwork. I can live with that. -- kphinney SB3 (x2) and Transporter Rotel RCD-1070 CIAudio DVA-2 w/ VAC-1 PS JoLida 102B Omega Grand 6's AKG K501 kphinney's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-06-20 Thread kphinney
Thomas, Thank you for the input and for joining this forum. I'm glad to assist in any way possible. I will post one of my files to a web-share site so you can download it and send you the link. (The file length of all of my FLACs are to large to email.) Perhaps you could open a thread on your

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-17 Thread Rodney_Gold
I was using the car analogy to illustrate a point that numbers do not always prove that there is no difference , but as you say , if there is a difference then your preferences are inviolate. In audio , there is no universal truth, nothing is ever a straight wire with gain and thus whatever is on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-17 Thread Phil Leigh
Rodney_Gold;312741 Wrote: I was using the car analogy to illustrate a point that numbers do not always prove that there is no difference , but as you say , if there is a difference then your preferences are inviolate. In audio , there is no universal truth, nothing is ever a straight wire

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-17 Thread Robin Bowes
Rodney_Gold wrote: ... and even if you are talking digital , where the notion (wrongly) is that the signal is 1's and 0's (its an analog sine wave) ... Rodney, Assuming you are talking about SPDIF here, the digital information is actually transmitted using Biphase mark code. [1] R. [1]

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-17 Thread Rodney_Gold
Well it has to be something thats happening to the digital signal, tho at what stage and what affects the signal is beyond me. I'm a natural sceptic and not prone to snake oil stuff , butI have directly AB compared various sources etc into my system , which is actually easy to do , considering my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-17 Thread Rodney_Gold
Well, I got my info from http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html and to quote the passage S/PDIF signals The signal on the digital output of a CD-player looks like almost perfect sine-wave, with an amplitude of 500 mVtt and a frequency of almost 3 MHz. -- Rodney_Gold Sb3/Z-sys

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-17 Thread Phil Leigh
Rodney_Gold;312787 Wrote: Well it has to be something thats happening to the digital signal, tho at what stage and what affects the signal is beyond me. I'm a natural sceptic and not prone to snake oil stuff , butI have directly AB compared various sources etc into my system , which is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Rodney_Gold
Kjg, I just tried your suggestion and can clearly hear a difference , especially in the bass. didn't think it would affect things in the digital domain , but it doesBass inst as thin..Switched back to the old system to see if I was perhaps imagining it , but no , def an increase in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread bigfool1956
Rodney_Gold;312494 Wrote: Kjg, I just tried your suggestion and can clearly hear a difference , especially in the bass. didn't think it would affect things in the digital domain , but it doesBass inst as thin..Switched back to the old system to see if I was perhaps imagining it ,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Rodney_Gold
As far as I can make out , Im now doing the decoding on ther server rather than the TP, dunno why it makes a difference , perhaps cos im not doing DSP in the TP? Who knows..audio is sometimes unpredictable, I have compared 2 or more transports side by side to find differences between

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread omega
Johan73 Rodney_Gold There's another thing you can try: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 Regards -- omega omega's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9336 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread funkstar
oh no, not again. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48900

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Phil Leigh
funkstar;312545 Wrote: oh no, not again. oh yes :o) btw Omega, what did your friends at the lab conclude? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread darrenyeats
Yeah native decoding means more processing on-board...but it means less network traffic too. So if you're looking for rationalisations that works both ways. Until it's confirmed with a bit of blind testing *I'm* not going to lose a jot of sleep over it though. Oh yes...the B word again. :)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread bigfool1956
omega;312528 Wrote: Johan73 Rodney_Gold There's another thing you can try: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 Regards Native vs server decoding - yes Display off vs display on - yes, but such a minute difference that even someone as anal as me doesn't worry. First

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Phil Leigh
bigfool1956;312566 Wrote: Native vs server decoding - yes Display off vs display on - yes, but such a minute difference that even someone as anal as me doesn't worry. First song better than the rest - not in my system with a Transporter. David - are you saying that you can clearly hear

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Nonreality
Rodney_Gold;312511 Wrote: As far as I can make out , Im now doing the decoding on ther server rather than the TP, dunno why it makes a difference , perhaps cos im not doing DSP in the TP? Who knows..audio is sometimes unpredictable, I have compared 2 or more transports side by side

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread bigfool1956
Phil Leigh;312572 Wrote: David - are you saying that you can clearly hear (and prefer) native FLAC streaming and conversion over server-side conversion and streaming as WAV? Regards Phil Hi Phil, Yes, indeed I am, and my son agrees with me. Actually I was a bit surprised, because not

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Phil Leigh
bigfool1956;312584 Wrote: Hi Phil, Yes, indeed I am, and my son agrees with me. Actually I was a bit surprised, because not only was I dubious there would be a difference, but also I thought that if there were a difference, then the nod would go to transcoding on the server (i.e. less

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Themis
In my opinion, the differences between the SB and the Cambridge Audio transport simply come from the (poor) SB isolation. The CDT drive is very well isolated, while the SB is not : it needs explicit isolation. I experienced similar differences in the past and i was obliged to change the power

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Phil Leigh
Themis;312594 Wrote: In my opinion, the differences between the SB and the Cambridge Audio transport simply come from the (poor) SB isolation. The CDT drive is very well isolated, while the SB is not : it needs explicit isolation. I experienced similar differences in the past and i was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Phil Leigh
I wonder if Sean ever put the scope across the spdif whilst trying different streaming/transcoding combos... :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread bigfool1956
Phil Leigh;312599 Wrote: Hmmm...possible. My system is very well isolated so maybe I won't see the differences that David refers to - but I'm pretty sure David is using some suitable mains conditioning... I think the answer lies in my post(s) on the 'photos of your transporter setup' thread.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Phil Leigh
bigfool1956;312623 Wrote: I think the answer lies in my post(s) on the 'photos of your transporter setup' thread. :) ys - as I suspected :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread bigfool1956
And I still want to upgrade the Orbe / SME. Someone should put me in a padded room for my own good :) -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-16 Thread Timothy Stockman
Nonreality;312578 Wrote: A lot of people will pass on accurate sound when given the choice the choice of crisper highs and louder lows. The days of dolby nr on cassettes proved that to me. Tapes were encoded with it but nobody ever hit the button. It would lower the highs and lows back to

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread johan73
I've recently bought a Squeezebox Duet and have started ripping my cd collection. I use dBpoweramp Reference and rip to flac. For most cd’s I achieve an “AccurateRip”, so I suppose my rips are close to bit-perfect. I use an external DAC (Mission DAC5) between the SB and my amp. However, I still

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread Phil Leigh
johan73;312121 Wrote: I've recently bought a Squeezebox Duet and have started ripping my cd collection. I use dBpoweramp Reference and rip to flac. For most cd’s I achieve an “AccurateRip”, so I suppose my rips are close to bit-perfect. I use an external DAC (Mission DAC5) between the SB and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread johan73
Are you using SPDIF or toslink? I use SPDIF (my DAC doesn't have toslink). make sure you have digital outout set to fixed, you are not using replaygain and the analog outputs is set to 63 (ie off). Make sure bit rate limiting is set to none. Stream FLAC as FLAC(ie use the native encoder)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread Nonreality
You could use replay gain as long as you don't mistake volume for quality. Adjust accordingly when comparing. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread cliveb
Phil Leigh;312135 Wrote: Remember, this is all about clock-recovery /jitter (there is no other factor that can affect quality - the bits are correct) I beg to differ. There are THREE things I can think of which could affect the quality when feeding a digital signal to an external DAC: 1. The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread johan73
3. Noise emanating from the digital source (either airborne as EMI or down the SPDIF cable) getting into the analogue circuitry of the DAC. Can electromagnetic interference (EMI) distort the signal from PC to SB Receiver? If yes, could this problem be avoided by using cabled connection to the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread iPhone
johan73;312121 Wrote: I bought the SB in the belief that the digital output would be equally good – if not better due to less jitter – than that from a cd player, so I’m a bit disappointed. Can anyone see obvious flaws in my set-up/approach? Johan Digital is digital. If the source bits

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread cliveb
johan73;312206 Wrote: Can electromagnetic interference (EMI) distort the signal from PC to SB Receiver? If yes, could this problem be avoided by using cabled connection to the SB instead of wireless? I'm guessing here, but it's plausible that EMI from the network might affect the SBR's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread Ken
You can try disabling the native FLAC streaming and let the server decode the file and stream WAV. If this changes things you'll fall into the I hear a difference where one shouldn't exist camp. There are a bunch of folks that belong to this :). 1. SqueezeCenter Settings - Advanced - File

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread Phil Leigh
johan73;312206 Wrote: Can electromagnetic interference (EMI) distort the signal from PC to SB Receiver? If yes, could this problem be avoided by using cabled connection to the SB instead of wireless? Do you recommend substituting the SB's original power supply? With what? NO! - it's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac vs. CD

2008-06-15 Thread darrenyeats
Suggestion #1. Try listening blind. Suggestion #2. Avoid the endless debate (and it is endless) over S/PDIF and DACs by using the on-board DAC of the SB3 (it's not that bad...really!) or the TP. Suggestion #3. Buy a cheap linear regulated PS if it makes you feel better. In the UK they're

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-06-05 Thread captain cripes
I tried this, and it works great with one issue that maybe someone can help me with. When I create an iTunes library with the TwistedFlac files, the songs load in just fine but they are not organized by artist or album. The flacs are all suitably tagged, and the wav shadow files include the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-05-31 Thread kphinney
Purely by accident I found that songs on the virtual disk and synced on iTunes can be played on my iPod. I wasn't expecting this to occur. Either: iTunes copies the music as a WAV to the iPod, Or iPods have the ability to play FLAC. Either way, now I can have my FLACs and listen to them to!

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-05-24 Thread kphinney
He he he... I'm really pleased now. Yup, I love my SlimDevices and the awesome quality they produce. But sometimes I'm bound to my laptop and headphones. Using the same setup as described in my first post, but now pointing TwistedFLAC to the shared folder containing my FLACs on my primary

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-05-24 Thread kphinney
Okay - I guess an easier way would have been to keep TwistedFLAC mounted (on the server PowerMac) and then just use iTunes (laptop) to discover and share the files. Works both ways. I'm getting beyond the point of my original post. The purpose was to point our that you can have FLACs for use

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-05-23 Thread kphinney
yooper;304351 Wrote: kphinney, Thanks a lot for the topic and explanation of getting everything to work. I too use flac, and would be interested to try this. I do have a question.. once iTunes picks up the flac files can you use iTunes to add album art to the flac files? My

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-05-22 Thread yooper
kphinney, Thanks a lot for the topic and explanation of getting everything to work. I too use flac, and would be interested to try this. I do have a question.. once iTunes picks up the flac files can you use iTunes to add album art to the flac files? My current flac library (also around 500

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-05-21 Thread kphinney
GuyDebord;303762 Wrote: JUST USE MAX, IT WILL CONVERT ALL YOUR FLACS IN ONE GO, CANNOT BE EASIER.. 1) I don't want to convert my files. FLAC is what I use and will continue to use, even if I have to eschew iTunes like I have for years. 2) Max will convert all of your FLACs in one go - no

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-05-21 Thread kphinney
Nikhil;303643 Wrote: well .. I just tried TwistedFLAC on my G4 PPC mini and all I get is a spinning beach-ball ... had to restart twice :( . I know the MacFUSE part is fine, because NTFS-3G works perfectly. I will wait until someone gets this running on the platform. Firefly will

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC on a Mac with iTunes - CAN DO!

2008-05-21 Thread GuyDebord
kphinney;303996 Wrote: 2) Max will convert all of your FLACs in one go - no question there, but it DOES NOT retain all tag information. The last time I tried Max I found myself retyping and hunting cover art for many, many, hours. If youre tags were correctly done you wouldnt

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