[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-19 Thread ModelCitizen
Robin Bowes;163345 Wrote: ModelCitizen wrote: It's sad to see such a cultured man leave the forums. MCHey Simon, don't worry - you've still got me :)R. Chortley ha! May I be the first to wish you a very merry Christmas Robin. I hope it was realised where my tongue was. I had a lot of

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-19 Thread Robin Bowes
Patrick Dixon wrote: robinbowes;163344 Wrote: Do you throw your toys out of your pram when people have different views to you in real life too? Or do you just save that for us? Just wondering. Yes, there do seem to have been a lot of personal insults from someone who keeps telling us that

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-19 Thread Robin Bowes
Robin Bowes wrote: Patrick Dixon wrote: robinbowes;163344 Wrote: Do you throw your toys out of your pram when people have different views to you in real life too? Or do you just save that for us? Just wondering. Yes, there do seem to have been a lot of personal insults from someone who

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-19 Thread jhm731
This typically of the PMs I’ve received from highdudgeon since I first encountered him at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/regsaudioforum/ Robin Bowes;163474 Wrote: Robin Bowes wrote: Patrick Dixon wrote: robinbowes;163344 Wrote: Do you throw your toys out of your pram when people have

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-18 Thread jhm731
highdudgeon;163028 Wrote: And, really, I mean it -- I'll be away for a long time effective four hours from now. Goodbye George. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-18 Thread ModelCitizen
opaqueice;163143 Wrote: Sadly, I don't know a way to do that. If you have a sound card with a digital out you could send it to a DAC, but then you could still object on the basis of jitter etc. I'm more likely to object to the humming computer! MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-18 Thread opaqueice
ModelCitizen;163247 Wrote: I'm more likely to object to the humming computer! MC Ah, OK - my PC is designed for silence, and it's really pretty close to inaudible, so that's not a problem for me. Can't you use a laptop? Or just listen with phones? -- opaqueice

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-18 Thread ModelCitizen
highdudgeon;163028 Wrote: Au contraire, mon frere... I'd rather save the space for, say, Solti's rendition of the Requiem (guess which one). C'est tout. It's sad to see such a cultured man leave the forums. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-18 Thread tomjtx
Hey, Model Citizen, That is an awesome music collection you have. You ever check out: Radio Tarifa fusion of flamenco, arabic and medieval music Vicente Amigo flamenco guitarist Ketama flamenco fusion/ arabic and jazz Tom -- tomjtx

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-18 Thread robinbowes
highdudgeon;163028 Wrote: I'd rather save the space for, say, Solti's rendition of the Requiem (guess which one). I presume you mean the Verdi Requiem, 1977 version with Price, Baker, Luchetti, and van Dam. highdudgeon;163028 Wrote: And, really, I mean it -- I'll be away (cheer and

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-18 Thread Robin Bowes
ModelCitizen wrote: It's sad to see such a cultured man leave the forums. MC Hey Simon, don't worry - you've still got me :) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread Skunk
highdudgeon;162240 Wrote: Am I better ripping at a lower rate? Does it even matter, so long as it is above MP3? What is above MP3 but below lossless? If you're a retailer for SD, using lossy files does not do the Transporter nor the customer justice. They can't exactly bring their own

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread tomjtx
Just a cautionary tale, but here is where this thread went in the 3rd brane. Patrick Sticks-em ADH137 and Robin Bows-to-no one They offended Get-High-Dungeon and he had them kidnapped and put in his dungeon where he made them listen to 64kbps MP3 files for a year. To add insult to injury the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread highdudgeon
Au contraire, mon frere -- actually I'm not advertising anywhere or, for that matter, representing SD products. I strongly support the company and believe in the products and people. However, I don't have the time for this, my schedule is slippery, audio is far from being a significant income

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread rajacat
Storage is very cheap so why even listen to mp3's when lossless is there for the taking? Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread tomsi42
rajacat;163043 Wrote: Storage is very cheap so why even listen to mp3's when lossless is there for the taking? Raja The only sensible answer to that would be that you already have ripped to music once, and couldn't be bothered to do it again. I also have a large collection (~1250CD's) but

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread rajacat
Do you still rip to mp3's and at what bps? I suppose another reason to rip to mp3 would be if the songs were downloaded from various internet sites. -- rajacat rajacat's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread ModelCitizen
opaqueice;162801 Wrote: Foobar's ABX is indeed the best antidote for audiophilia. But not all of the sick want to be cured... I'd like to try this. Can you tell me how you can use this Foobar2000 ABX test with a dedicated audiophile set up (i.e. not via a computer sound card with associated

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread tomsi42
rajacat;163053 Wrote: Do you still rip to mp3's and at what bps? I suppose another reason to rip to mp3 would be if the songs were downloaded from various internet sites. I only rip to FLAC - I only care about quality so I can't stand the thought of what the missing bits does to my music.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread opaqueice
ModelCitizen;163057 Wrote: I'd like to try this. Can you tell me how you can use this Foobar2000 ABX test with a dedicated audiophile set up (i.e. not via a computer sound card with associated computer electrical noise and ambient noise). I probably couldn't tell the difference between a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-17 Thread aubuti
ModelCitizen;163057 Wrote: I'd like to try this. Can you tell me how you can use this Foobar2000 ABX test with a dedicated audiophile set up (i.e. not via a computer sound card with associated computer electrical noise and ambient noise). I probably couldn't tell the difference between a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-16 Thread Patrick Dixon
Mr Dudgeon You are very happy to dish it out, but you just can't take it can you? So why not take your own advice? -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-16 Thread opaqueice
mkozlows;162771 Wrote: Out of curiosity, have you done a blind test between lossless and good-quality lossy music? I'd've sworn that I could tell 192kbps MP3 from FLAC, but using the ABX Comparator in Foobar (with MP3s encoded with LAME v2, which is about 190kbps), I was guessing. Foobar's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-16 Thread Robin Bowes
highdudgeon wrote: Patrick Dixon;162604 Wrote: I think you should definitely put that at the top of every post where you say that there is no (or an insignificant) difference between transports and DACs! It just goes to show how differently people listen to and hear music, and how unwise

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-16 Thread jhm731
Robin Bowes;162809 Wrote: highdudgeon wrote: Patrick Dixon;162604 Wrote: I think you should definitely put that at the top of every post where you say that there is no (or an insignificant) difference between transports and DACs! It just goes to show how differently people listen

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-16 Thread highdudgeon
Big smoochy kisses to all you guys...I swoon with the attention and, well, you're just SO jolly and clever, and I bet you lead the most interesting lives, too! jhm731;162856 Wrote: Patrick Robin, Great posts! -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-15 Thread geraint smith
highdudgeon;162526 Wrote: I know, it is awful. Thankfully, I keep my collection in nice boxes, alphabetized by genre. I've be rescanning some stuff and it hit me that I can actually zero in on some thing faster with my eyes and fingers than with a remote control. Go figure. At some

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-15 Thread Patrick Dixon
highdudgeon;162496 Wrote: The majority of my collection is in Apple Lossless, not AAC -- I've just been doing that lately, for the heck of it. Honestly, I can't tell any difference.I think you should definitely put that at the top of every post where you say that there is no (or an

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-15 Thread jmourik
highdudgeon;162526 Wrote: At some point I would like to back up my entire CD collection, in Apple Lossless or AIFF, to DVDs. Exactly what I did after I got through all my CDs, even though that's only 300some. Burned them to dvd, and the dvds are now in a fire proof fault :-) First things

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-15 Thread highdudgeon
Patrick, 1. That's just plain weird, but I know you don't like me, that you resentment for whatever silly reason, and that you find that it makes you feel good to flame me from time to time. I have over 300gb in Apple Lossless. Apple Lossless is not a bad thing. It is, well, lossless. It is

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-15 Thread mkozlows
Patrick Dixon;162604 Wrote: I think you should definitely put that at the top of every post where you say that there is no (or an insignificant) difference between transports and DACs! It just goes to show how differently people listen to and hear music, and how unwise it is (IMO) to take

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread bpa
Have you just put up your christmas decorations ? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/06/no_wifi_for_xmas/ -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread geraint smith
highdudgeon;162262 Wrote: As far as I know, it does.snip.. What should be the ideal conversion for aac? As far as I know, too, it does, and as a fellow Mac-head, I use iTunes and have problems with dropouts only when 't' folk next door are using their cordless phone or their

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread highdudgeon
That's hilarious! Actually, we DID put up a 9' tree and the damned thing is covered with shiny baubles, garlands, you name it...and it is in line of sight. bpa;162293 Wrote: Have you just put up your christmas decorations ? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/06/no_wifi_for_xmas/ --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread opaqueice
highdudgeon;162411 Wrote: My reasoning is pretty simple: space. I don't mind not being able to fast forward and rewind, and I do like being able to fit a lot more music on hard drives. When you have 1,500-odd CDs, this becomes an issue. 1500 CDs, FLACed, take maybe 400gb, which will fit

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread seanadams
highdudgeon;162411 Wrote: I wonder if there is any way to shield from other networks??? Choose a different channel - you ideally want to be 5 channels apart, eg 1, 6, and 11. More info here: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps430/prod_technical_reference09186a00802846a2.html

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread highdudgeon
Sean, Thanks -- Apple support tipped me off to that one. I'm on channel 1 now. I guess 6 and 11 are the next stops. Silly me: I imagine my airport extreme base station (in the computer room) and airport express (sound room) should be on the same channel...I'll experiment. seanadams;162415

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread snarlydwarf
highdudgeon;162431 Wrote: Silly me: I imagine my airport extreme base station (in the computer room) and airport express (sound room) should be on the same channel...I'll experiment. The router or access point determines the channel for all the clients... when a client starts up it looks

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread highdudgeon
Got it. Back to FLAC: I have 2 external drives, one 320gb and one 500gb. Needless to say, I can fit a lot of music on there (and home huge photoshop files). Still, I've tried and tried, but I can't hear any difference between FLAC and Apple Lossless. So, why not save the space? That's my view

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread snarlydwarf
highdudgeon;162445 Wrote: Got it. Back to FLAC: I have 2 external drives, one 320gb and one 500gb. Needless to say, I can fit a lot of music on there (and home huge photoshop files). Still, I've tried and tried, but I can't hear any difference between FLAC and Apple Lossless. So, why

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread geraint smith
highdudgeon;162445 Wrote: Got it. Back to FLAC: I have 2 external drives, one 320gb and one 500gb. Needless to say, I can fit a lot of music on there (and home huge photoshop files). Still, I've tried and tried, but I can't hear any difference between FLAC and Apple Lossless. So, why

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread tomjtx
Well, you would if you manage to sort out those neighbours of yours! Don't you have an axe? In the 3rd brane Get-High Dungeon's name is Forge. He actually has a forge in his dungeon and thats how he cremates the neighbors. His neighbors are the dropouts in the literal sense. We could live in a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread highdudgeon
The majority of my collection is in Apple Lossless, not AAC -- I've just been doing that lately, for the heck of it. Honestly, I can't tell any difference. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread geraint smith
highdudgeon;162496 Wrote: The majority of my collection is in Apple Lossless, not AAC -- I've just been doing that lately, for the heck of it. Honestly, I can't tell any difference. Argh! You're throwing away bits for the heck of it? On the audiophile list?? Quick, nurse, the screens!!

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-14 Thread highdudgeon
I know, it is awful. Thankfully, I keep my collection in nice boxes, alphabetized by genre. I've be rescanning some stuff and it hit me that I can actually zero in on some thing faster with my eyes and fingers than with a remote control. Go figure. At some point I would like to back up my

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread mkozlows
highdudgeon;162240 Wrote: Hi -- I've been having some drop outs with albums ripped under AAC at 320kbps. Airport Extreme network, 802.11b/g, 100% signal strength. Am I better ripping at a lower rate? Does it even matter, so long as it is above MP3? You shouldn't be having

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread highdudgeon
That's what I thought -- I've played uncompressed files I don't know how many times. Possibly a neighbor's network is interfering? I wasn't even on the web -- I was cooking dinner with the kids when it happened. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread jonheal
highdudgeon;162247 Wrote: That's what I thought -- I've played uncompressed files I don't know how many times. Possibly a neighbor's network is interfering? I wasn't even on the web -- I was cooking dinner with the kids when it happened. With the microwave? -- jonheal Jon Heal says:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread snarlydwarf
highdudgeon;162247 Wrote: That's what I thought -- I've played uncompressed files I don't know how many times. Possibly a neighbor's network is interfering? I wasn't even on the web -- I was cooking dinner with the kids when it happened. using the microwave? -- snarlydwarf

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread highdudgeon
Oh: we have wireless phones (5.8ghz) but that hasn't been a problem before. Recently we did change to Vonage, so now there's my internet connection, cable, and phone all on the same line. ??? highdudgeon;162250 Wrote: Nope, no microwave -- all real cooking. Beats me. I get drop outs

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread radish
5.8GHz phones won't interfere. Vonage also won't, it's bandwidth requirements are very low and also are obviously on the outbound side of things, not on your LAN. What is your AAC set to stream as? FLAC? It's possible the transcoding was interrupted by something else running on the server...the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread JJZolx
If you're not experiencing dropouts when streaming other types of files, then I would also suspect that the problem is with the transcoding from AAC to (most likely) Flac. How is your server's CPU load when playing these files? -- JJZolx Jim

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread Pale Blue Ego
Maybe you have some bad rips. iTunes doesn't do bit-accurate rips, does it? -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread highdudgeon
As far as I know, it does. I sometimes and sometimes don't get drop outs with the same stuff. Mind you, it is very rare...weeks or months apart. It's just that tonight, and over the last two or three days, I had a spate of them. No plugins. What should be the ideal conversion for aac? --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 320kbps -- too much?

2006-12-13 Thread opaqueice
One thing you can do is rip to a lossless format, such as FLAC, and then set slimserver to stream as mp3 (bitrate limiting) with whatever bitrate is necessary to avoid dropouts. Personally I've never had drops (with a wireless g network and strong signal strength) even when streaming WAV, but