mswlogo;551752 Wrote:
Better yet. Why don't you read the actualy thread I explained myself in
rather than read it here out of context.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79245
I replied to this thread with a LINK to that because someone asked if I
had posted information
mswlogo;551887 Wrote:
You points on A and B are correct. But you'd have to have one really F'd
up setup for those to occur (and have cables significantly change it). I
have tons of Meridian boxes and never found a digital cable to make any
difference.
Meridian gear is top-notch stuff, so if
mswlogo;550412 Wrote:
They are both absolutely 100% bit perfect (TosLink and Coax, Wifi and
Wired). I've recorded the SPDIF on both and neither will miss a bit.
Only difference may be jitter. But as dicussed elsewhere a good DAC
will take care of that.
Interesting, I've never found a DAC
Mr_Sukebe;551811 Wrote:
Interesting, I've never found a DAC that can completely eliminate jitter
and I've tried a few, including a Bel Canto DAC2 (that supposedly
reclocked) and my existing Meridian 568.2 that uses some clever FIFO.
On both DACs, different quality digital sources sounded
Phil Leigh;551821 Wrote:
Not necessarily. Just because a DAC sounds different does not
necessarily mean jitter is involved... every DAC has a slightly
different filtering circuit after the DAC and a slightly different
analogue output stage and so will have a signature sound of its own.
cliveb;551849 Wrote:
Phil, I think you've misunderstood what Mr_Sukebe is saying. He is
saying that he hears differences in output *from the same DAC* when
using different SPDIF sources. So he's not comparing one DAC to
another.
That said, I remain unconvinced that jitter is the cause of
cliveb;551849 Wrote:
Phil, I think you've misunderstood what Mr_Sukebe is saying. He is
saying that he hears differences in output *from the same DAC* when
using different SPDIF sources. So he's not comparing one DAC to
another.
That said, I remain unconvinced that jitter is the cause of
mswlogo;551495 Wrote:
I know that, but some don't seem to believe it. SB3 is a perfect SPDIF
deliverer too (both toslink and SPDIF). CO2 converts perfectly and
TASCAM records perfectly. All that is left is jitter. And if your DAC
buffers/reclocks that gets rid of all peak to peak jitter.
mswlogo;551495 Wrote:
So people must have really bad DACs if they can hear differences between
toslink vs coax and this cable or that.
You are talking about the SPDIF receivers, not the dacs, surely ?
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Themis;551675 Wrote:
You are talking about the SPDIF receivers, not the dacs, surely ?
Please allow me to respectfully disagree to your above assumption. As
you are not talking about jitter anymore, what are you talking about,
exactly ? ;)
I'm talking about how robust SPDIF communication
Themis;551675 Wrote:
You are talking about the SPDIF receivers, not the dacs, surely ?
Please allow me to respectfully disagree to your above assumption. As
you are not talking about jitter anymore, what are you talking about,
exactly ? ;)
Better yet. Why don't you read the actualy thread
If you are recording and diffing s/pdif you will never see jitter.
Jitter will only manifest post-DAC (assuming decent, working equipment
- which you do have!). For jitter to manifest pre-DAC it would have to
be so severe as to change the bitstream - which we all know it doesn't
in the
Phil Leigh;551440 Wrote:
If you are recording and diffing s/pdif you will never see jitter.
Jitter will only manifest post-DAC (assuming decent, working equipment
- which you do have!). For jitter to manifest pre-DAC it would have to
be so severe as to change the bitstream - which we all
Once you got the Transporter, you shall better use AES3 than S/PDIF, but
note that you need DAC in 5000$ range to beat the Transporter (which is
still, questionable)
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Once you got the Transporter, you shall better use AES3 than S/PDIF
Not necessarily. See previous posts on this subject (AES/EBU vs. S/PDIF)
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michael123;550335 Wrote:
Once you got the Transporter, you shall better use AES3 than S/PDIF, but
note that you need DAC in 5000$ range to beat the Transporter (which is
still, questionable)
+1 on Robin's comment. In this specific case I can add that I plan to
use coax over BNC and that the
Don't get me wrong I love my Transporter.
But it's had the over voltage problem since I bought it (couple years
now) and it's a simple firmware bug that has not been fixed.
I would not buy one today unless this bug was fixed.
It does not happen often, but would you buy a car that just quits on
I was asked this week for some comments via bugzilla for this specific
bug, there is a hope it will be fixed (for 7.6?)
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bhaagensen;550370 Wrote:
+1 on Robin's comment. In this specific case I can add that I plan to
use coax over BNC and that the DAC in question, while not in that price
range, has a distinctive sound that is a better match for my taste as
well as the rest of my equipment.
coax over BNC is BNC
michael123;550404 Wrote:
mswlogo
I was asked this week for some comments via bugzilla for this specific
bug, there is a hope it will be fixed (for 7.6?)
btw, I did hear the difference between SB3 and Transporter...
Flat sound of SB3 was the reason it migrated to the bedroom and I got
mswlogo;550412 Wrote:
They are both absolutely 100% bit perfect (TosLink and Coax, Wifi and
Wired). I've recorded the SPDIF on both and neither will miss a bit.
Only difference may be jitter. But as dicussed elsewhere a good DAC
will take care of that.
With my audiolab 8000AP it did not
michael123;550424 Wrote:
With my audiolab 8000AP it did not sound well.. anyway, there are huge
differences in construction of SB3, Touch and Transporter.
Yes construction is different. most of Transporter's construction is
for beefing up it's analog section.
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mswlogo;550412 Wrote:
I've recorded the SPDIF on both and neither will miss a bit. Only
difference may be jitter.
Ah, interesting. You're then among the few ones who have actually
looked into this in some detail. Is the testing
setup/result/disclaimers/etc detalied somewhere on the
mswlogo;550437 Wrote:
Yes construction is different. most of Transporter's construction is for
beefing up it's analog section.
But the digital section has certainly not been neglected, at least c.f.
official data concerning jitter.
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bhaagensen
Hi,
firstly, I've read most of the threads on this topic. Secondly, I will
do a listening test myself at some point. But for now...
Two questions. They are rather (over) simplified, strict, and probably
flawed in many other ways. Nonetheless, on the other hand they perhaps
could add something
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