Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-11 Thread Wombat
Shazam became pretty bloated as Android app. I find the google sound search app as widget very practical without the need of starting a big app. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread Mnyb
drmatt wrote: > No, and never will unless you know someone willing to write a connector > for no money whatsoever.. :) > > Just saying that functionality exists outside the LMS universe already, > that's already happened. If that's what you want, you can have it. Shazam is extremely usefull whe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread drmatt
Apesbrain wrote: > None of those interface with Squeezebox or with any compatible > alternative. No, and never will unless you know someone willing to write a connector for no money whatsoever.. :) Just saying that functionality exists outside the LMS universe already, that's already happened. I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread Apesbrain
drmatt wrote: > You mean Shazam? I believe Amazon Alexa and apple siri can both do this > too. None of those interface with Squeezebox or with any compatible alternative. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread drmatt
Shazam dont. Amazon tell you what it is, at least, and you can store your own music in their cloud and search the lot of it. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread ralphpnj
drmatt wrote: > You mean Shazam? I believe Amazon Alexa and apple siri can both do this > too. And they return the versions that have paid Amazon's or Apple's licensing fee, in other words only those versions available in their own music store, so if the music is not available then they return n

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread drmatt
Apesbrain wrote: > It would be great to have an easier way to find things. Sometimes I can > remember a theme from a classical piece but can't put my mind to the > work or composer. How about just hum or whistle what I remember into a > controller app and it pops up the piece I'm seeking? Or b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread ralphpnj
Apesbrain wrote: > It would be great to have an easier way to find things. Sometimes I can > remember a theme from a classical piece but can't put my mind to the > work or composer. How about just hum or whistle what I remember into a > controller app and it pops up the piece I'm seeking? Or b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread Apesbrain
It would be great to have an easier way to find things. Sometimes I can remember a theme from a classical piece but can't put my mind to the work or composer. How about just hum or whistle what I remember into a controller app and it pops up the piece I'm seeking? Or be able to say "Beethoven S

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread Mnyb
I would like discrete surround . DSD was never a good idea not even in the 90's you can do equally good with PCM and PCM can be used for processing like mixing and in the end users system for room correction volume DSP crossovers etc . DSD only works in the antique paradigm of DAC to analog -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread drmatt
atrocity wrote: > Maybe this is another one of those audiophile things where No Serious > Listener Would Ever Want More Than Two Speakers. :) I, for one, only have two ears. :) So headphones with acoustic 3D encoding per user is what you need. Multi-speaker setups help present a realistic sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-10 Thread Julf
atrocity wrote: > I'm ripping my SACDs via one of the naughty methods that technically > isn't supposed to exist. Right - that is a curse that will probably stay with us for ever - silly attempts by the content industry to keep control of the material using misguided technical means. "To try

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread atrocity
Mnyb wrote: > That's solvable for RG tags simply don't have them in these files that > fixes it for LMS where you can turn of this completely. Yes, in LMS it's not a problem at all. I use RG on PCM and not on DTS or AC-3 and life is good. I was just commenting that I'd be irked if Roon calculate

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread atrocity
Julf wrote: > Considering DSD might have been a good idea in the 90's, we might now > let it rest in peace... I don't really care one way or the other about DSD, I just like discrete surround music and much of that is only available as DSD. It's on my mind more at the moment because I'm ripping

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread drmatt
I didn't disagree. Just pointing out that squeezebox wasn't cheap enough to be a no brainer for anyone when it came out, and like many things to not really take off in their lifetime it's only really thriving now because the hardware got cheaper, used. A second life, if you like. I have to say th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread ralphpnj
drmatt wrote: > Well yeah. Bear in mind squeezebox touch was, what, £300 new on release? > That's hardly cheap. And that doesn't even come with a server component > you have to build your own. $300 versus $3000 (average price of high end music streamer, often without a server component) $2,700

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread Julf
atrocity wrote: > And HDMI to output gapless 5.1 FLAC and DSD! Considering DSD might have been a good idea in the 90's, we might now let it rest in peace... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread Mnyb
atrocity wrote: > It would be a disaster for those of us with lots of DTS and AC-3 in our > libraries, too. That's solvable for RG tags simply don't have them in these files that fixes it for LMS where you can turn of this completely. I suppose you can in roon ,some of that crowd is very picky

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread atrocity
ralphpnj wrote: > 1) is the replaygain defeatable since I don't use it nor do I intend to > use it any time soon. It would be a disaster for those of us with lots of DTS and AC-3 in our libraries, too. atrocity's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread atrocity
pablolie wrote: > ... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, > someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision > an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... > > - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV And HDMI to output gapless 5.1 FLAC and DSD! -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread drmatt
Well yeah. Bear in mind squeezebox touch was, what, £300 new on release? That's hardly cheap. And that doesn't even come with a server component you have to build your own. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 1

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread ralphpnj
drmatt wrote: > The big brand streamers make a big thing of the auto rip and tag, and > they make some effort to curate the results too. Cddb is one big > stinking mess, which is why they don't use it (not unedited anyway). > They also offer you the ability to edit/correct tags. They have thought

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread drmatt
The big brand streamers make a big thing of the auto rip and tag, and they make some effort to curate the results too. Cddb is one big stinking mess, which is why they don't use it (not unedited anyway). They also offer you the ability to edit/correct tags. They have thought about it, for the stup

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread ralphpnj
drmatt wrote: > They made room for sonos.. and each established manufacturer's HDD based > system. (Presumably all based off one supplier's chipsets and software > underneath.) The slick UI and integration of ripping and archival into > the stack helps make it a far more compelling option for mos

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread Wirrunna
pablolie wrote: > That is VERY cool. That is a major thing I miss with my library. I spent > many hours scanning the album notes so I had as much info as possible, > but of course picking the .PDFs is totally outside of LMS - it'd be > awesome to be able to get the notes along the active playlist

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-09 Thread drmatt
They made room for sonos.. that's all that exists really. Sad, but true. It's more slick, less featured, and more expensive. Roon i dont know much about, and intend to look at. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread ralphpnj
drmatt wrote: > From a business bottom line point of view it would only have been a > mistake if they lost sales as a result, but Logitech voluntarily dropped > the whole platform, hardware and software. I am extortionately glad they > didn't pull the LMS software from the world as may have been

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread drmatt
>From a business bottom line point of view it would only have been a mistake if they lost sales as a result, but Logitech voluntarily dropped the whole platform, hardware and software. I am extortionately glad they didn't pull the LMS software from the world as may have been their right (didn't ch

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread d6jg
pablolie wrote: > ".. One major difference: roon is not free after trial. .." > > I always thought it a big commercial mistake that SlimDevices gave away > the software for free. I for one would have paid for major releases, and > I think that would have ultimately made the company more successf

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread pablolie
".. One major difference: roon is not free after trial. .." I always thought it a big commercial mistake that SlimDevices gave away the software for free. I for one would have paid for major releases, and I think that would have ultimately made the company more successful long term. Arguably it i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread drmatt
My guess, in ten years time. I suspect those that care about quality (an ever dwindling audience) will continue to hoard media and their own fileset. The rest of the world will realise that iTunes or Spotify or tidal is good enough and the stream (aka personal radio station) will become the norm.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread ralphpnj
garym wrote: > No problem. I had all those same questions. And once again, a big thank you for your detailed answers. We now return this thread to it's original topic. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread garym
ralphpnj wrote: > Gary, thank you for responding to my tedious questions. I really don't > want to derail this thread by turning it into a thread about Roon > but. > > I do have a few more questions and comments. > > Regarding the "secondary" background scan: 1) is the replaygain > defe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread ralphpnj
garym wrote: > 1. with 95,094 tracks, from scratch it takes about an hour to scan > library (about the same as LMS for me). At this point the music is > playable. But after this, it does an additional scan in the background > to create its own R128 (replaygain) values (both album and track) and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread doctor_big
Julf wrote: > > > So forget optical. Forget audio cables (even Belkin was displaying their > cat5/6/7 cabling systems). It will all be over IP, and using common > protocols (instead of the current multitude of proprietary solution), > but all a bit too oriented towards "lifestyle". So like Squ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-08 Thread Julf
To try to answer the original posting - I spent yesterday at ISE2017 - Integrated Systems Europe, one of the largest AV trade fairs in Europe. It filled pretty much the whole RAI exhibition centre, but only one hall was Audio. Even Harman International were mostly promoting their smart retail stor

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-07 Thread garym
ralphpnj wrote: > Gary i have a few quick questions about Roon: > > 1) How long does Roon take to scan one's music library as compared to > LMS? > > 2) How much larger is Roon's database as compared to LMS? > > and 3) How responsive is Roon as compared to LMS? 1. with 95,094 tracks, from scra

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-07 Thread garym
d6jg wrote: > On the integration front I can see the benefit of Roon but I'd only ever > want it via an iPad app - preferably built in to iPeng - I don't want to > have to have a PC on to access the data. The ipad app for Roon works nicely and shows all this info and is easy to navigate. the iph

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread Archimago
pablolie wrote: > ... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, > someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision > an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... > > - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV > - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable fr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs - Built-in bu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
Apesbrain wrote: > "Correcting" my two listening rooms is the most interesting and > meaningful thing I've recently done with my Squeezebox system. I spent > $75 for a UMIK-1 calibrated microphone and downloaded the free REW > measurement suite. Implemented 3-4 parametric equalizer filters in e

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread mlsstl
Interesting discussion about Roon. I've thought about getting that at times for the simple reason of the expanded database and info. It would be interesting to know more about the recording and artists, but I'm so-so about the trivia aspect of music info, as in the drummer on this album played on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
My limited experience with room correction is comprised of the Audessy DSP in my Marantz HTR. it came with a microphone and a cardboard stand which a set up in the primary listening position and ran the set up. Based on how much better the surround sound sounds compared with the older Marantz that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread Apesbrain
pablolie wrote: > Room correction. I have experimented with it. Not yet sold on existing > solutions. Call me old fashioned. Maybe I lucked out with my current > room. But I am sure it'll get there and make a huge difference. mlsstl wrote: > I've tried digital room correction and it didn't real

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs - Built-in bu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread d6jg
On the integration front I can see the benefit of Roon but I'd only ever want it via an iPad app - preferably built in to iPeng - I don't want to have to have a PC on to access the data. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
garym wrote: > This is one of the nice things about Roon (that I've trialed). The UI > on an album or song has a tremendous amount of info at your fingertips. > I see the atist, composer, etc. It shows me other albums the artist or > composer appears on, other artists that have done the same so

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
I knew there'd be great replies here. I can't agree more about keeping relying on Amazon, iTunes or Spotify as guardians of my music collection. I have bought video on Amazon outright, only to see it disappear when the studio and Amazon have a spat - often permanently. And did Amazon notify me or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread pablolie
garym wrote: > For example, if I click on the "Miles Ahead" album, it pulls up the > basic info and tracks, etc. Then I click on credits and it gives me all > sorts of info on who played, etc. My pics don't do a good job of > capturing the actual interface, which is full screen, but you get the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread garym
For example, if I click on the "Miles Ahead" album, it pulls up the basic info and tracks, etc. Then I click on credits and it gives me all sorts of info on who played, etc. My pics don't do a good job of capturing the actual interface, which is full screen, but you get the idea. And you can cli

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread garym
ralphpnj wrote: > > The integration of various kinds of information about a recording within > a music app will continue to improve so that in the future when > listening to a given piece of music one will , hopefully, be able to > quickly access all of the this information and fully explore the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread wortgefecht
My two cents: binaural recording or similar techniques for audio and video. Not room correction, but "bubbles of sound" or similar immersive systems. Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6 mit Tapatalk Current setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > Pro-Ject DAC Box E > AKG

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
My two cents: Room correction and DSP along with "one box" powered speakers will slowly become the norm. Internet based music streaming will soon become the disaster that internet based video streaming has become. The simple reason for this is that all the big content providers HATE streaming an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.

2017-02-06 Thread mlsstl
Interesting topic. Hard to see the future, but I don't see things changing much for me. 1. I've tried digital room correction and it didn't really change things much or really seem worth the effort. Maybe I'm like you and am fairly lucky to already have decent acoustics. 2. Music library -- I