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On 23 Dec 2010 at 1:21, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
So I would want to see a
clearer statement on how Shia define the limits of the ummah.
My answer was based on family law in Iran, because I wrote a booklet
on the topic. If you look at the theoreticians of the
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Dear Khazeh,
At least on my side, I think your posts tend to have a unifying spirit
(or at least a clarifying one) which often allow conversations to end
on a positive note without needing a response.
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Khazeh aqu...@dsl.pipex.com
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On 21 Dec 2010 at 22:29, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
And maybe even on a popular level there may be a certain
amount of conflict and tension between the two communities. But if you
look to some of the most respected voices speak about the other side,
they still
Subject: Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel
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The concept is not that difficult. Do they claim to be the return of the
manifestations before them? e.g. Christ Moses Baha'u'llah.
Do they claim to posses divine knowledge? Do they bring a new set of laws and
book
: Wed, December 22, 2010 12:26:09 PM
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That's still not a scientific logical test. That's spin. Have you tested any
people with this test. What is divine knowledge? When Baha'is use the term it
sounds like spin
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Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 10:22:43 PM
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The concept is not that difficult. Do they claim to be the return of the
manifestations before them? e.g. Christ Moses Baha'u'llah.
Do they claim
, December 21, 2010 10:22:43 PM
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The concept is not that difficult. Do they claim to be the return of the
manifestations before them? e.g. Christ Moses Baha'u'llah.
Do they claim to posses divine knowledge? Do
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The concept is not that difficult. Do they claim to be the return of the
manifestations before them? e.g. Christ
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On Behalf Of Naison Jones
Sent: 23 December 2010 04:17
How can you be the return of Jesus without possessing Jesus qualities?
Obviously by return is not meant Jesus actually came back into the world. So by
return is meant Jesus powers his attributes his station his
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On 23/12/2010 11:42 AM, Khazeh wrote:
No one seems to read my postings. I posted so many beautiful things
including all the Moojan Momen essays on Islam and the Bahai Faith…not
one response.
A Persian poet says that often when we make a point it is exactly as
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According to some Sunni scholars (whom I wouldn't necessarily
endorse myself but I still have acknowledge that their opinions are
out there) considerations of kuf still apply when both prospective
mates are clearly Muslim. The marriages are valid with the permission
of
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Is it possible some of These hadiths were made by muslims who just never
wanted to see Islam succeeded by a new religion?
Dear Naison,
I think Islam had to come up with something like this in order to
survive. I've read some academic articles (which alas I cannot
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Living in the South I can tell you there are far too many Christians
that don't consider Catholics Christian but I wouldn't make the
generalization about Christianity that you made about Islam, Firouz.
Most Sunnis I talk to consider the difference between Shi'ites and
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I think you make a valid point, Gilberto.
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Gilberto Simpson
gilberto.simp...@gmail.com wrote:
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I guess what I would suggest is that if the reality underneath the
names is really the same, then the names
for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel
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A seeker must put aside all love and hate. Love because what he loves can blind
him to finding the beloved in another form because he is too attached to the
old
form.
if I love the symbol of the cross and am so in love with Jesus
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Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 4:45:45 AM
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On 19 Dec 2010 at 10:05, Firouz wrote:
This is the main issue you pointed out. Gilberto and indeed no Muslim
could ever accept
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Dear Susan,
I think there is a big difference between the average Muslims in USA and
in the Middle East/Indian sub-continent in their views about their own
religions and other sects of Islam. I am not a historian so I do not
exactly know the origin of division
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Sunnis and Shias obviously disagree with one another on specific
points. And maybe even on a popular level there may be a certain
amount of conflict and tension between the two communities. But if you
look to some of the most respected voices speak about the other
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Dear Gilberto,
You're correct and I agree with you about the differences in beliefs of
Sunnis and Shias. And I am sure most educated Muslims do agree with you
as well.
Unfortunately in most middle eastern countries and Indian sub-continent,
it is totally
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On 19 Dec 2010 at 10:05, Firouz wrote:
This is the main issue you pointed out. Gilberto and indeed no Muslim
could ever accept that there could be a Messenger after
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I guess what I would suggest is that if the reality underneath the
names is really the same, then the names don't matter at all.
(including the name Bahaullah). The only thing that matters is getting
access to that reality. And so if we are really talking about the
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Firouz Anaraki
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Wrote to our dear and respected and much loved brother Gilberto Simpson
Hi Gilberto,
Even though Baha'is may talk about Baha'is and non-Baha'is, we still
believe in equality of rights for all humans. All have equal
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On 19 Dec 2010 at 10:05, Firouz wrote:
This is the main issue you pointed out. Gilberto and indeed no Muslim
could ever accept that there could be a Messenger after Prophet
Muhammad,
And yet, you did make that step. You should know personally, and you
can see
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On 19 Dec 2010 at 18:04, Firouz wrote:
What do you call a Muslim who recognizes Baha'u'llah as Manifestation
of God?
Friend.
Sen
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Sen McGlinn http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com
All is
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Khazeh aqu...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
You also said dearest Gilberto
**I'm going to give more weight to what scholars from Darul-uloom or from
Al-Azhar**
I beg of you on my knees: do not give weight to scholars qua scholars. Give
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Khazeh aqu...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
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Again Firouz said
And we don't think non-Baha'is go to hell
Whereupon Gilberto replied:
That's not exactly true. Isn't recognizing the Manifestation for the current
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A seeker must put aside all love and hate. Love because what he loves can
blind him to finding the beloved in another form because he is too attached
to the old form.
if I love the symbol of the cross and am so in love with Jesus dying on the
cross and his self-less
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Iskandar,
The point which I don't think you are seeing is that all the prophets
would have had special things about them which distinguish them from
one another. Adam was the first prophet. Moses is said to have spoken
to God directly. Joseph was said to be exceedingly
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It's one thing to say that Prophets have similarities and have differences.
But, it's quite another thing to quote a hadith that purportedly says
Muhammad was given things (was it six things?) that other Prophets lacked
and then when you do actually analyze those six
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On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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It's one thing to say that Prophets have similarities and have differences.
But, it's quite another thing to quote a hadith that purportedly says
Muhammad
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On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Gilberto Simpson
gilberto.simp...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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It's one thing to say that Prophets
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On 19/12/2010 3:13 AM, Iskandar Hai, M.D. wrote:
You also fail to see the self definition of the Baha'i Faith as a new
Divine Revelation, as a new religion and you talks about saints, and
awliyAA, and reformers, etc. Baha'u'llah is none of those. He is the
Founder
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A couple of things:
The Bahai Faith also divides humanity into believers and non-believers.
I'm not going to speak for Shias but certainly know of Sunnis who
accept Shias as Muslims. You have no right to generalize about over a
billion people like that.
-There is not
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Hi Gilberto,
Even though Baha'is may talk about Baha'is and non-Baha'is, we still
believe in equality of rights for all humans. All have equal rights and
opportunities. And we don't think non-Baha'is go to hell or should be
taxed or punished differently from
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On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Firouz fir...@thai-bahais.org wrote:
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Hi Gilberto,
Even though Baha'is may talk about Baha'is and non-Baha'is, we still believe
in equality of rights for all humans. All have equal rights and
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