seem to be able to impose their
will should not direct TDF's employees in any way at all.
I've asked the board to evaluate the situation to see if further actions
should be taken.
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Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v Po 30. 05. 2022 v 13:44 +0200:
While TDF is committed
to working with members of the commercial ecosystem in a mutually
beneficial relationship it should be made clear that third parties
and
suppliers (commercial contributors) should not limit what a
charitable
ence TDF's employees. Meetings with the ESC will
provide useful exchange of information which will be evaluated by our
mentors and our ED to take decisions as described in the proposal.
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Hi,
On 27/05/2022 12:31, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi Paolo, all,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
That document clearly contains another proposal which should go its own way
instead of trying to make it pass as a "merged" proposal.
The intention here (and I would very much like to support
Hi Kendy,
On 26/05/2022 17:08, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
TDF-In-House-Developers-Proposal-v2.1.odt
what you wrote in that document has completely changed the logic of the
proposal so please do rename that file in something that relates better
to its content.
That document clearly contains
free to fix stuff in case you
find anything wrong.
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Hi Kendy,
On 25/05/2022 14:18, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v St 25. 05. 2022 v 13:41 +0200:
Michael Meeks made a completely different proposal to employ a
mentor.
That is not my reading of the proposal.
You may have missed a few details:
The proposal is: "
Hi,
On 25/05/2022 12:48, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi Paolo, all,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
On 25/05/2022 10:19, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
To reiterate the question, is that something the two of you would be
willing to collaborate on?
It seems like you missed my previous answer:
https
explain the rationale?
Why are you saying that now we have to create a 3rd proposal?
Then as far as I can see there is 1 proposal to employ two developers
and suddenly a new proposal appeared to employ 1 mentor, what is the 3rd
one for?
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em to be
forming a clear opinion about it.
Best regards,
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HI,
On 23/05/2022 14:01, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 13:07:
On 23/05/2022 12:57, Cor Nouws wrote:
It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team.
To evaluate the quality of your proposal.
It would have been the responsibility of other
iao
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out for the board to
confirm they listen to our community by approving the the proposal.
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for
some issues or old bugs that aren't getting the right amount of
attention by others, and I totally agree that languages and
accessibility should be given priority over this.
Best regards,
Tuomas Hietala
Thanks again for your contributions.
Ciao
Paolo
Paolo Vecchi kirjoitti 12.5.2022 15
Hi Caolan,
On 13/05/2022 13:51, Caolán McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 2022-05-12 at 14:29 +0200, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
Hi all,
after receiving quite a few comments and suggestions it seems like is
time to publish what, hopefully, is the final version of the proposal
to add 2 in-house developers
.
Ciao
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Thank you all for your contributions!
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have to avoid doubts that the
interests of their employers influences their choices.
True that the ESC ranking gets ranked again in the board but having once
again the representatives of the same organisations also in the board
may influence the ranking.
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Dear Simon,
I believe is much better to have open discussions than trying to keep
hiding the fact that there are issues that some seem less inclined to
see solved.
If long-established contributors want to keep doing something that is
sub-optimal then I believe that others should speak out
Hi all,
On 10/04/2022 15:01, Cor Nouws wrote:
And while not always perfect, I'm convinced that we are doing a great
job in working in a fair, compliant, and transparent way.
The system is clearly not perfect and it has been said that changes are
necessary for a long time so the fact that
Hi all,
it would be great if someone would stop to unilaterally declare that a
very informative thread should end.
Censorship does not help in moving forward and we should show that we
respect the freedom that anyone should have to express their opinion
(possibly backed by facts and
Dear Mr Meeks,
thank you for providing your opinion as the general manager of one of
our 2 commercial contributors.
I really appreciate the technical contributions that your
employees/affiliates provide while formulating request for tenders, rank
them in the ESC, rank them in the board of
for tenders, which are discussed with only not connected
board members (deputies). Thus they could bit for tenders from the
budget for 2023 at the earliest.
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l can help address the possible concerns.
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Hi Mark
On 27/03/2022 08:34, Mark Hung wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi 於 2022年3月27日 週日
上午12:34寫道：
Hi Mark,
It's a long term employment project, that's why I asked the board
to not consider it as a budget line (like tenders) but as a long
term strategic investment.
I
ally, we can't simply atticize a
language, which are subdirectories in the helpcontent2 and translation
git repositories]
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procedure is available at [Insert URL to a wiki page with the
procedure here].
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[2] 1 for small, 3 for medium, and 6 developers for a large project
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welcome.
Please do remind me if I forgot to include your constructive feedback!
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to be
100% perfect; let's be down to earth and make it better and better.
Regards,
Franklin
Paolo Vecchi 於 2022年3月23日 週三
下午10:08寫道：
Hi all,
following the initial consultation in regards to the first draft I've
included some of the recommendations and comments received.
Yo
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that we will re open the repository, with the due
warnings, we will see if some people are actually interested in
contributing or not.
All the best,
Kendy
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Hi Jan,
On 14/03/2022 19:43, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v Po 14. 03. 2022 v 17:07 +0100:
I have to agree with you that the process seems to be too cumbersome
and
it would very likely lead to the end of the project, so may as well
delete it, or to forks that will never
es later).
Thus in my opinion it is contrary to TDF's mission.
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is used for the Russian government and
army.
In my view TDF should reconsider the membership of Rubitech-Astra after
breach of international law by Russia and the attack against the Ukraine.
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Hi Michael,
thanks for your feedback.
On 25/02/2022 10:22, Michael Meeks wrote:
On 23/02/2022 16:01, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
Thanks to your comments I started writing a more structured proposal
Thanks for doing that that - it helps. There are some good things
about this proposal
that need to be improved?
I was also looking at https://www.documentliberation.org and wondering
if that would/should be part of the interoperability area that needs
more attention.
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Hi Thorsten,
On 24/02/2022 10:18, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
I believe no one in the current board has any problem with it or
wouldn't have ran for a board position.
That is in direct contradiction to my statement up-thread. So what
follows is not a workable
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, the
availability and selection of the candidates will naturally contribute
in determining which areas will be tackled first.
Please do let me know what you think of the draft proposal and how it
could be improved.
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an.
Just give me a bit of time this is an activity I do by donating my time
to TDF without expecting an economical return so I have to tend to other
things as well.
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Hi Kendy,
On 16/02/2022 09:52, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v Út 15. 02. 2022 v 17:09 +0100:
And to conclude: the easiest way to convince me (and likely others)
on
the board that a proposal is a good idea - is to make your case
properly with a well-researched writeup
hing it.
Cheers,
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-in money for).
Thank you for showing your support for even more internal developers.
As the proposal includes investing in developers with funds coming from
donors and the app stores the sooner we employ those developers the
faster TDF can start satisfying their needs.
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Hi all,
On 15/02/2022 15:50, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi *,
Cor Nouws wrote:
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 15/02/2022 12:47:
Now that we know we want in-house developers, the team and the ...
It is recognized that in-house developers (...) may be a (partial) solution
some of the issues we face
if they wish.
I'm fully aware that this is not the way established
development/consulting companies work but TDF isn't one and it needs to
build up its internal skills organically for the reasons explained in
this thread.
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with LibreOffice development or
support I need a bit more time than others to liaise with the team
members and start writing documents.
All the best,
Kendy
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Hi Kendy,
On 14/02/2022 14:40, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v Pá 11. 02. 2022 v 16:11 +0100:
As I started the proposal I'm very happy to work with Sophie and
Hossein
to complement the proposal with the useful feedback we received in
this
thread.
Perfect, I am looking
thread, but such a person should
definitely get hired for many reasons. It is true that a web dev would
also improve the core developer experience by enhancing our tooling.
Ilmari
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in this
thread.
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risk in the TDF bodies.
And one thing which I take with me from this discussion is the evidence
that it is (nearly?) impossible to wear two hats at the same time.
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Hi all,
On 10/02/2022 12:59, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi *,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
On 09/02/2022 15:57, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
It is important to understand that "community" means "contributors"; as
opposed to "users". "Users" are not part of the "c
ing
water and getting nowhere.
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Hi Kendy,
On 10/02/2022 10:49, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v St 09. 02. 2022 v 19:56 +0100:
He asked himself quite a few interesting questions:
"Without sharing too much, there are some moral questions popping up
for
me. Who owns the community? Who owns ownCloud i
n learning more about specific
concerns.
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erything being an important piece in the mosaic for
the big picture for a FLOSS office suite, called LibreOffice.
Perhaps trivial, but it is just as easy to constructively get behind
these TDF objectives instead of getting lost in the details, treading
water and getting nowhere.
Cheers,
S
Hi Kendy,
On 09/02/2022 15:57, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v St 09. 02. 2022 v 15:09 +0100:
The community and our valuable members of the ecosystem have been
asking us to invest more in development
It is important to understand that "community" means &qu
corporate participation,
e.g. by sponsoring individuals
to work as equals alongside other contributors in the community."
https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg0.html
All the best,
Kendy
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Hi Cor,
do you mind explaining to us what you mean with the sentence below?
On 08/02/2022 22:32, Cor Nouws wrote:
I'm far from convinced that it leads to anything good when a
foundation tries to bend the forces that drive a commercial market.
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decision for TDF and our community.
Ciao
Paolo
On 08/02/2022 17:01, sophi wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Le 07/02/2022 à 19:16, Paolo Vecchi a écrit :
Hi all,
Thanks for discussing your proposal here. Just wanted to add a few
words within your lines, so jumping here:
[...]
* Members of the ecosystem
Hi Kendy,
thanks for participating to the discussion.
On 08/02/2022 16:41, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi all,
Paolo Vecchi píše v Po 07. 02. 2022 v 19:16 +0100:
Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house
developers to address our donors specific needs
My candidacy statement
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been left with not many options unless other members of
the board and the community come up with some practical options.
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s, go back to my first mail here and reply to that.
ATB
Marco
Il 25/01/22 21:34, Thorsten Behrens ha scritto:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
In regard to your questions:
[references to earlier emails]
I'll follow up on the board list also with the proposal to look more
in detail at wh
entally new or different ideas on how to deal with stale
projects
Everything else is badly off-topic on this thread (and very likely
even on this list). For general discussions, please do move that over
to our disc...@documentfoundation.org list.
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two hats (on different sides of the table).
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Am 21.01.22 um 19:10 schrieb Paolo Vecchi:
And also:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160320072620/https://www.collaboraoffice.com/community-news/libreoffice-online-questions-answered-what-who-how-and-when/
Maybe also that gave some
o/post/faq/#creators
may be interesting too; all of that a year+ old.
ATB,
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or a member of staff for further evaluation.
Ciao
Paolo
On 19/01/2022 11:33, Michael Weghorn wrote:
Hi,
On 14/01/2022 20.24, Paolo Vecchi wrote:
Personally, I'm not interested in playing zero-sum games (taking
development away from the ecosystem, and re-patriating it into
TDF). Instead, we ne
stment that they and TDF made on LOOL and at
present we are unable to offer answers as we didn't clarify the process
and the rules in advance.
Is there any other suggestions on how to deliver LOOL to our members of
the community?
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Hi Cor,
I'm sorry to say it in public but I'm honestly appalled by your comment
which shows your insensitivity to the matter that is being discussed and
is providing an example of how disinformation works.
On 17/01/2022 23:32, Cor Nouws wrote:
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 15/01/2022 20:56:
Maybe
more equal than others)
Wouldn't any company find it not just natural but essential to do that
to protect their long term investments and show that it can be trusted
by the community?
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the Android Viewer, and
some that may require to be under a formal agreement.
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Hi Marco,
thanks a lot for your engagement and your contributions to the discussion.
On 17/01/2022 11:51, Marco Marinello wrote:
Hi Paolo, hi all,
Il 16/01/22 11:01, Paolo Vecchi ha scritto:
IMHO what is being called "infighting" has been an excellent exercise
of transparency an
structive conversations.
Ciao
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Hi Thorsten,
On 14/01/2022 16:27, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
So, to conclude, this "distraction" has actually helped the board in dealing
with a situation which impaired its freedom to act in a well informed and
structured way and created a new situation whe
a lot of resources, but
we have done nothing to share them during the critical period families
and students were fronting.
Cheers
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we stand, we know that we can do a lot more that
some thought we could and we can finally move forward and do more good
things for the community.
Ciao
Paolo
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be
able to start publishing them.
Ciao
Paolo
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The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
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Hi Alex,
well... it's nice to see that you fully understand the dynamics involved
so you saved me a lot of typing ;-)
Just a few notes inline.
On 12/01/2022 16:01, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Answers/comments/response inline :
Le 12/01/2022 à 14:56, Paolo Vecchi a écrit
Hi Thorsten,
On 12/01/2022 15:34, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
On 12/01/2022 12:44, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
That seems unlikely to repeat itself?
You think no other commercial organisations are or will be hosting any
LibreOffice related projects with TDF or you
ew feathers.
Alex Thurgood
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Hi all,
On 12/01/2022 12:44, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
Unfortunately it seems like the board didn't realise that a big issue was
brewing for quite a few years as clear rules were not set.
That seems unlikely to repeat itself?
You think no other commercial
at the proposal shows that there is no
intention to burden anyone with anything that doesn't go beyond
protecting each parties interests and investments.
Let's discuss on Friday, all the best,
-- Thorsten
Happy to discuss that in the public part of the meeting and to get
feedback from both indivi
our community have other ideas and comments for these
proposals?
Ciao
Paolo
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ck so that together we can see
which rules and clarifications we need to put in place to make sure that
the investments we put in (in code, bug submission, translations,
promotion, etc.) deliver value to all of us.
Ciao
Paolo
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The Docum
on-boarding process for projects we intend to
support."
That is the same agreement we should prepare, and eventually adapt, for
"atticisided", current and new projects hosted by TDF.
The rationale should have been extensively explained in the thread.
Ciao
Paolo
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Hi Thorsten,
see below.
On 10/01/2022 12:46, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi Paolo,
let's stay focused -
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
Do you have concrete suggestions on changing the actual
proposal?
Well, yes. That's what the rest of the email you replied to was about.
Can I see the adjustments
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