On 24/05/2007, at 9:04 AM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
> We are also missing some of the more liberal types and a couple of
> (dare I say) complete whack jobs who could make the list quite
> interesting at times.
Well, you've still got a socialist...
Charlie
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On 24/05/2007, at 12:21 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> Now, by a UK test, I come out very slightly to the right of center
> in the
> UK...but the UK mean is to the left of the US mean.
15 years ago, you'd have been firmly to the right. The UK "left" is
slightly right of centre these days...
You
On 5/24/07, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think from Ronn's posts that he is a centralist slightly to the right of
> center, and I see myself as centralist to the left of center. Arguing here
> probably makes me look more conservative than I am because there are no
> persistent conse
Dan Minette wrote:
>
> I think from Ronn's posts that he is a centralist slightly to the
> right of center, and I see myself as centralist to the left of
> center. (...)
>
How simple Life must be over there... I have not a single idea
of how to describe myself. I can see all two (three, sometime
I voted for leftist extremists, right extremists, and all people in the
middle. I voted for honest-but-incompetent people, and people I knew
were thieves. I've chosen the lesser evil,
but sometimes the greater evil (no, I didn't vote for Cthulhu).
Maybe that old saying is true: I have a real part
On 5/20/07, jon louis mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Why do we behave the way we behave? What has become of us? Where is
> our soul?"
>
> DUMPED ON SKID ROW – Hospitals drop homeless patients on the city's
> Skid Row, sometimes dressed in only a flimsy gown and without a wheel
> chair, even
On 5/23/07, PAT MATHEWS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As it is, I know a fair number of people who go to herbalists and other
> alternative practitioners for a lot of their health care, partly because
> of
> all the hassle and expense involved in using the health care system
My best friend's wife
On 5/23/07, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
>
> This problem is a good one for discussion here. However, it will not be
> solved by polemics that provide simple stories with heroes and villains
> like
> that provided by Moore. There is a hard way out for this, just no easy
> way
> ou
On 5/23/07, PAT MATHEWS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Heavens - even to me, reared in the system, they are often
> repugnant.
You reminded me of the fact that now that I'm 50, I have to have a
colonoscopy. Reared in the system, indeed.
Nick
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Nick Arnett
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On 5/24/07, Mauro Diotallevi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
> The laziness issue is that too many people eat unhealthy foods and live
> unhealthy lifestyles and then go complain to their doctors when they
> become
> unhealthy.
And I think we can credit some very effective and profitable marketi
Nick Arnett wrote:
>
> By letting those who are to blame for their own illnesses just die?
> ;-) Seriously, though, I'd have a hard time differentiating personal
> from systemic causes for unhealthly lifestyles when there's so much effort
> invested in advocating them in advertising, marketing
On 23 May 2007 at 21:38, Dan Minette wrote:
>
>
> > SImply put, the weakest area of the American health system is
> > preventative care. Poorer people with chronic conditions can end up
> > with repeated emergency hospital treatment for conditions which are
> > manageable with drugs which, while
On 5/24/07, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 5/24/07, Mauro Diotallevi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > The laziness issue is that too many people eat unhealthy foods and live
> > unhealthy lifestyles and then go complain to their doctors when they
> > become
> > unhealthy.
>
On 5/24/07, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Nick Arnett wrote:
> >
> > By letting those who are to blame for their own illnesses just die?
> > ;-) Seriously, though, I'd have a hard time differentiating personal
> > from systemic causes for unhealthly lifestyles when there's so mu
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
>
>> And there's a very Evil aspect of this: food with trans fat costs
>> _much_ less than a similar food without trans fat. If I were
>> paranoid, I would suggest that the reason is that Food Companies
>> and Medical Companies are owned by the same evil and greedy people.
>
On 25/05/2007, at 6:36 AM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
>
> You raise an interesting and important point. It is less expensive --
> sometimes *much* less expensive -- to each unhealthy foods than it
> is to eat
> healthy.
Not really. It's just a lot more effort to go to the market, or plan
out y
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Nick Arnett
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:57 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: U.S. health care
>
> On 5/23/07, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This problem is
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Charlie Bell
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:54 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: U.S. health care
>
>
> On 25/05/2007, at 6:36 AM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
>
> >
> > You raise an interes
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
>there's a very Evil aspect of this: food with trans fat costs
>much_ less than a similar food without trans fat. If I were
>paranoid, I would suggest that the reason is Food Companies
>and Medical Companies are owned by the same evil, greedy people.
> You raise an interest
Nick Arnett wrote:
By letting those who are to blame for their own illnesses just die?
People are social creatures; it's naive to imagine that some sort of
"Just say no" mentality would make all those problems go away. I'm
not saying you're making that argument, but I've certainly heard it.
Depends on the story. I would place Moore's story telling with the
"young buck buying steak with food stamps story." There was a
documentary at the South by Southwest film festival (I think I got the
name right) in Austin, by self-proclaimed leftists, on Moore. One
tidbit about his technique is
At 03:36 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
>You raise an interesting and important point. It is less expensive --
>sometimes *much* less expensive -- to each unhealthy foods than it is to eat
>healthy. Maybe instead of subsidizing the military-industrial complex, the
>government cou
At 03:36 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
>--
>Mauro Diotallevi
>"Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be the god
>of jello now." -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc
There is already a god of Jell-O.
Just go to Utah and visit any activity where food
On 5/24/07, Mauro Diotallevi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm just advocating people taking more responsibility for
> themselves. I've
> seen too many people who eat nothing but junk food and never exercise
> complaining about the low quality of health care that they receive, when
> they are be
There is a group in Michigan doing some incredible research related to
wellness and costs. The “Health Management Research Center” took quite a long
view perspective in the are of wellness with 25 year longitudinal studies on
some Fortune 500 companies (and some of the HERO studies- a rel
Are Texas Republicans going off the rails or what?
http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/4831635.html
The Senate easily passed and sent to the governor a bill Wednesday to
teach Bible classes to high school students, but lawmakers immediately
disagreed on whether the measure would make
At 03:21 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>Nick Arnett wrote:
> >
> > By letting those who are to blame for their own illnesses just die?
> > ;-) Seriously, though, I'd have a hard time differentiating personal
> > from systemic causes for unhealthly lifestyles when there's so much e
At 10:21 AM Wednesday 5/23/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of jon louis mann
> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:04 PM
> > To: Killer Bs Discussion
> > Subject: U.S. health care
> >
> > "Why do we behave the
At 06:22 AM Thursday 5/24/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>Dan Minette wrote:
> >
> > I think from Ronn's posts that he is a centralist slightly to the
> > right of center,
If it helps any I am not a member of any political party (Republican,
Democrat, or any so-called "third" party), and never h
At 10:37 AM Wednesday 5/23/2007, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
>One way would be to have a string of simple health clinics that could do
>checkups and make ordinary repairs - stitches, shots, setting broken bones,
>monitoring diabetics, etc - and refer people to other facilities if there
>were problems. They
At 01:27 AM Tuesday 5/22/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
>Didn't Bush come out several months ago and finally admit that Global
>Warming may be man-caused? ISTR a statement like that...
>Damon.
>
>sort of...
>http://www.greenoptions.com/blog/2007/05/15/bush_wants_action_on_global_warming_emissions_sor
At 05:08 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
>there is a part of me that believes [...] there are already too many people
>on this planet.
Let me ask you some of the questions I ask everyone who says that:
(1) What do you think is the maximum number of people who could?
should? be o
At 10:39 AM Wednesday 5/23/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of jon louis mann
> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:44 PM
> > To: Killer Bs Discussion
> > Subject: Flatulence
> >
> > you are absolutely correct,
At 06:11 PM Wednesday 5/23/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
>IAAMOAC?
I Am A Member Of A Civilization.
>Does Brin-L have a FAQ, or profile section?
>--JLM
>
>Just to open up the discussion a bit..
>I wouldn't describe Dan or Ronn! as conservatives exactly.
Though if you did it would be
http://www.davidbrin.com/parting.html
My Parting Thoughts (D. Brin)
I believe it's good that we have a rambunctious society, filled with
individualistic and opinionated people. Serenity is nice -- we all need
some -- but to hold it up above all other values has become a cheap
cliché. Serenity alo
there is a part of me that believes [...] there are already too many
people on this planet.
Let me ask you some of the questions I ask everyone who says that:
(1) What do you think is the maximum number of people who could?
should? be on this planet? (A range is acceptable, but some sort of
At 03:47 PM Thursday 5/24/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
>Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
> >
> > I'm only half-way kidding.
> >
>Me too - as always.
>
>Alberto Monteiro
Me three, as always.
-- Ronn! :)
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After 7 (?) years I'm still not entirely sure what defines the term
"neocon," or how to distinguish clearly whether a particular
individual is a "neocon" or is not a "neocon" . . .
(I have some comments on the remainder of jon louis's post but they
are going to take more time than I have had to
On 5/24/07, jon louis mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> After 7 (?) years I'm still not entirely sure what defines the term
> "neocon," or how to distinguish clearly whether a particular
> individual is a "neocon" or is not a "neocon" . . .
Neo-cons are conservatives who tend to focus on Americ
Stanley Miller, the UC San Diego chemist who was the first to demonstrate
that the organic molecules necessary for life could be generated in a
laboratory flask simulating the primitive Earth's atmosphere, died Sunday
from heart failure in a hospital in National City. He was 77.
..."Stanley Miller
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