Re: Abortion (was Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin)

At 08:16 PM Sunday 8/31/2008, William T Goodall wrote: >On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote: > > > > No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children, > > very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and > > who wouldn't count

Abortion (was Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin)

On 1 Sep 2008, at 01:32, David Hobby wrote: > > No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children, > very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and > who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA. > > Now this happens to

Abortion rates same whether legal or not

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21255186/ Study: Rich, poor countries have equal statistics; half of procedures unsafe xponent By Numbers Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

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Brother John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ] I assume that everyone here reads Brin's blog at ] http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/. Am I right? Yes, of course. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

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Brother John wrote: You don't have to convince me. But notice how willing they are to have children and then make great sacrifices to feed them. We used to be like that ourselves. It is a pity that we are not still. Today we would much rather abort them, something these Hispanic immigrants

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g children and share the same disdain and disgust for abortion that I do. Or course most of them are Catholic, but maybe that is why after the Protestants die out in North America, there will still be many Catholics. That is if they don't all become atheists and agnostics after a few year

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On 01/08/2006, at 8:20 AM, Brother John wrote: This is what I was trying to say in another post. We fed ourselves better, and reproduced more prolifically. So our culture replaced theirs. Shooting them may have had an effect too. It will happen to us if we stop reproducing. We will bree

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Horn, John wrote: On Behalf Of Nick Arnett On 7/29/06, Brother John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We ourselves used to be an enormously fertile and prolific people. Our ascendancy over the Native Americans who were here before us is as much a factor of the

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d various forms of birth control, abortion and even infanticide which was common among some of the tribes when they could not feed themselves. Virtually all of the Native Americans in the New World who lived in large cities and had what we think of as "civilization" practiced human s

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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: And FWIW :) the way I know that "Brother John" is not someone who has been here before and likes to yank chains is that I have known "Brother John" from elsewhere probably almost as long as I have been a member of this list . . . Yes, Ronn. If you have known the members

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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:47 PM Sunday 7/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:17 PM Sunday 7/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote: 'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been

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"Gibson Jonathan" wrote: > > And the local Nez Perce natives were much more eager to assist, > adopt and interbreed with strangers than was typical in the > East and Midwest. > Here in Brazil the local native culture _favored_ interbreeding with strangers, specially if the stranger was a powerful

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On Jul 31, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Horn, John wrote: On Behalf Of Nick Arnett On 7/29/06, Brother John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We ourselves used to be an enormously fertile and prolific people. Our ascendancy over the Native Americans who were here before us is as much a factor of the d

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arder than the decision to raise the child? I don't like the way "Brother John" attempts to villify those who choose abortion. I think those that choose abortion are far, far, far more often victims than villains. At the same time, however, I am not comfortable with the characte

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> On Behalf Of Nick Arnett > > On 7/29/06, Brother John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > We ourselves used to be > > an enormously fertile and prolific people. Our ascendancy over the > > Native Americans who were here before us is as much a factor of the > > difference in our relative bir

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On 7/29/06, Brother John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We ourselves used to be an enormously fertile and prolific people. Our ascendancy over the Native Americans who were here before us is as much a factor of the difference in our relative birthrates as anything else. Cite, please. Seems t

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At 10:47 PM Sunday 7/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:17 PM Sunday 7/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote: 'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here before yanking some

Too many acronyms (was Re: Abortion)

Julia Thompson wrote: >Ronn!Blankenship wrote: >>William T Goodall wrote: >>> 'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here >>>before yanking some chains. >>No, he isn't. >IAWTC. Irate Activists Want Terrific Change? Island Artists Work Terra Cotta? Ingrate Annoys Woman Through

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Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote: 'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here before yanking some chains. No, he isn't. IAWTC. IAWTC? I'm not familiar with that acronym. --JWR _

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Doug Pensinger wrote: Well, if we don't reproduce, we will just be replaced. That is just a biological fact. We can agonize and discuss endlessly the moral and religious aspects, but simple biology dictates that there is a relationship between nativity and mortality. And that if a species or

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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:17 PM Sunday 7/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote: 'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here before yanking some chains. No, he isn't. IAWTC. Huh? I Agree Wi

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At 09:17 PM Sunday 7/30/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote: 'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here before yanking some chains. No, he isn't. IAWTC. Huh? -- Ronn! :) "Earth is the cradle

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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote: 'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here before yanking some chains. No, he isn't. IAWTC. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/

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as become as sterile and barren as it seems to have, then the future is not good for us regardless of the minor nits we like to endless discuss when the topic of abortion comes up. You seem to forget that we are a country of immigrants from all over the world. The immigrants from Mexico are fil

Re: Abortion

William T Goodall wrote: On 30 Jul 2006, at 1:31AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 30/07/2006, at 9:38 AM, jdiebremse wrote: Of course, I don't think that Brother John does anyone any favors when he equates ova and sperm with zygotes and unborn children. No, he equated sperm and zygotes with "babi

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jdiebremse wrote: Harder than the decision to carry the child to birth? Harder than the decision to give up the child for adoption? Harder than the decision to raise the child? I don't like the way "Brother John" attempts to villify those who choose abortion. I think th

Re: Abortion

At 07:53 PM Saturday 7/29/2006, William T Goodall wrote: 'Brother John' is a troll and probably someone who's been here before yanking some chains. No, he isn't. -- Ronn! :) "Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot remain in the cradle forever." -- Konstantin E. Tsiolkovskiy __

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On 30 Jul 2006, at 1:31AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 30/07/2006, at 9:38 AM, jdiebremse wrote: Of course, I don't think that Brother John does anyone any favors when he equates ova and sperm with zygotes and unborn children. No, he equated sperm and zygotes with "babies". Babies are infants

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and are no more worthy to live than germs, and less worthy to live convicted murderers. Again, the constant equating of "zygotes" to "babies". Why can you not see that it's possible to value them both, but differently? Even if you disagree. First, not even you be

Abortion

re no more worthy to live than > > germs, and less worthy to live convicted murderers. > > Again, the constant equating of "zygotes" to "babies". Why can > you not see that it's possible to value them both, but > differently? Even if you disagree. First,

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlatedwith HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: "The Fool"> > > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > From: "The Fool" > > > > > > > Another study showed that high levels of religios belief was highly > > > > correlated with high levels of receptor for dopamine in specific

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlatedwith HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlatedwith HIGHMurder,Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates > > Fro

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlatedwith HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: "The Fool" > > > Another study showed that high levels of religios belief was highly > > correlated with high levels of receptor for dopamine in specific brain > > regions. > > > Which just so happens to fit very well with all the other correl

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlatedwith HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlatedwith HIGHMurder,Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates > Another stu

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picking data. For example, are > murder, suicide, rape, abortion, etc. rates higher in Europe now than they > were in the 1950s? Is the percentage that is religious higher or lower? > We all know how the answers will work out, and I have strong suspicions > that has a lot to do with this c

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

> From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 05:53 PM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > > > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > At 05:08 PM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > At 12:18 AM

RE: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGH Murder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > Which society has a higher level of reported religious belief: the > U.S. or your average Muslim country? According to a Pew report published in 2002, the percentage of believers in the US is a relatively measly 59%. Plenty of other countries [including mine] have t

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates > > So, ho

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Ronn said: > > At 12:18 AM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > > > > > > > > >Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side' > > >By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent > > > > > > So how do Muslim countries compare wrt the

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGH Murder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

At 05:53 PM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 05:08 PM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > > > > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > At 12:18 AM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > > > >

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

> From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 05:08 PM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > > > > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > At 12:18 AM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Socie

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGH Murder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

At 05:08 PM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 12:18 AM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > > > > > >Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side' > >By Ruth Gledhill, Rel

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGH Murder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

> From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 12:18 AM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: > > > > > >Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side' > >By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent > > > So how do Muslim count

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGH Murder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

At 12:18 AM Wednesday 9/28/2005, The Fool wrote: Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side' By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent So how do Muslim countries compare wrt the rates of promiscuity, STDs, belief in evolut

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGH Murder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

The Fool wrote: > > In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator > correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult > mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the > prosperous democracies. > Data is not information. The int

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

From: Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Correlation does not imply causality. Furthermore, it appears that one could substitute "wealth" for "God and" the "study" would make just as much sense. --- I don't think the average american is that much wealthier than the average Canadian, British, German

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On 28 Sep 2005, at 1:39 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: Correlation does not imply causality. Furthermore, it appears that one could substitute "wealth" for "God and" the "study" would make just as much sense. Where do you get that from? The study compares several different countries and the au

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Correlation does not imply causality. Furthermore, it appears that one could substitute "wealth" for "God and" the "study" would make just as much sense. On 9/27/05, The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html> > > Societies worse off 'when

Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGHMurder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:29:41 +0100 On 28 Sep 2005, at 6:18 am, The Fool

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late with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies. “The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so.” All decent reasonabl

Scouted: Study: HIGH Religious Belief Correlated with HIGH Murder, Abortion, Suicide, etc. Rates

<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html> Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side' By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent RELIGIOUS belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promisc

Re: Abortion Case Heads to the Supreme Court

e very thorny issues that I simply cannot accept are reconcilable with something so facile as judicial fiat. A simple definition of "human" does not exist, "human rights" are extremely plastic terms of convenience -- nothing more -- and one man's murder is another man'

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ot; does not exist, "human rights" are extremely plastic terms of convenience -- nothing more -- and one man's murder is another man's abortion of a child of incest. Man's?!?!?!?! There is no way that any kind of law can ever be written to deal with these kinds of issues

Re: Abortion Case Heads to the Supreme Court

On May 23, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: John D. Giorgis wrote: In light of our recent abortion discussion, I'm wondering what some of the Brin-L'ers here think of the NH law requiring that parents of a minor be notified 48 hours before an abortion.Should this law

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The American PoliticalLandscape Today

gt;> > >> I would hope that even you would agree that the failure to let PA Governor > >> Bob Casey speak at the Democratic National Convention played some role in > >> the Democratic Party deserving that storyline. > > > >You snipped out the real reason he

Re: Abortion and Appeals to Emotion

On May 23, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:15 PM Friday 5/20/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: The "justice" system in the US is tortuous and ghastly to be caught in the middle of, and I don't think we need to be creating *more* possibilities (in the form of laws that would have to

Re: Abortion Case Heads to the Supreme Court

John D. Giorgis wrote: > In light of our recent abortion discussion, I'm wondering what some > of the Brin-L'ers here think of the NH law requiring that parents of > a minor be notified 48 hours before an abortion.Should this law > contain an exception if the health o

Re: Abortion and Appeals to Emotion

At 01:15 PM Friday 5/20/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: The "justice" system in the US is tortuous and ghastly to be caught in the middle of, and I don't think we need to be creating *more* possibilities (in the form of laws that would have to be judicially interpreted, prosecuted, challenged, et

Re: Abortion Case Heads to the Supreme Court

At 06:41 PM Monday 5/23/2005, John D. Giorgis wrote: In light of our recent abortion discussion, I'm wondering what some of the Brin-L'ers here think of the NH law requiring that parents of a minor be notified 48 hours before an abortion.Should this law contain an exception if the

Abortion Case Heads to the Supreme Court

In light of our recent abortion discussion, I'm wondering what some of the Brin-L'ers here think of the NH law requiring that parents of a minor be notified 48 hours before an abortion.Should this law contain an exception if the health of the minor is at risk? Currently, our nationa

Re: Abortion and such and so

On May 20, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On May 16, 2005, at 7:34 PM, JDG wrote: At 07:03 PM 5/16/2005 -0700, Warren wrote: The problem there is that your reasoning does not reduce. There is a distinct difference between, say, a blastocys

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

- Original Message - From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today >Hypotheticals are OK. But there comes a poin

Abortion and Liberal Democrats

JDG wrote: > Well, at one point you argued to me that the procedure was not used > often - only 0.004% of the time. Now you are arguing to me that it is > "often used for the medical health of the mother." That strikes me as > inconsistent on your part, and I am wondering which is it. Can't some

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x27;re talking about crashing an OS, but I think Dan -- and almost surely John -- are coming from the perspective that abortion can be murder, at least in some cases, which changes the valence of the discussion and almost requires hypotheticals. The consequences of overlooking these possibilities

Re: Abortion and so on

On May 19, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Dave Land wrote: Damn you, Warren Okrassa! How dare you bring rational thought and personal stories to a discussion of abortion? I didn't mean to... I think you know as well as I do that the only way to argue this issue is with pictures of aborted fetuses,

Re: Religion and morality (was Re: Abortion and so on)

On May 19, 2005, at 7:03 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, 18 May 2005 19:04:22 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote The attempted genocide (alleged, to be fair) of American aborigines in the 19th Century was possibly acceptable to many in the context of its time... and The concept itself is rooted in the ide

Re: Abortion and Appeals to Emotion

On May 19, 2005, at 4:54 AM, JDG wrote: At 10:44 AM 5/18/2005 -0700, Warren wrote: Dan, you seem to be of the sense that almost any excuse can be developed for a late-term abortion; it appears that Gary is of the opinion that this is not a correct interpretation of current abortion legislation

RE: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

> Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa > > To be fair, I think we should talk about the hypotheticals, even the > ones that seem (to some of us at least) only remotely feasible or not > particularly relevant, because if something is reasonably possible, > eventually it'll probably happen. Hypotheticals a

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The American Political Landscape Today

At 10:02 PM Thursday 5/19/2005, JDG wrote: At 07:11 AM 5/19/2005 -0700, Nick wrote: >> >The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred. >> >> This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic >> teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church >> document support

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At 04:45 PM 5/18/2005 -0500, you wrote: >.and will be after I finish my >analysis of economic data that will be rejected by JDG a priori. :-) No Dan, I won't reject it a priori. I will just predict your a priori that your conclusion will somehow manage to be "Republican economic policies - bad;

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

At 07:11 AM 5/19/2005 -0700, Nick wrote: >> >The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred. >> >> This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic >> teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church >> document supporting that position. Indeed, the above s

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

In a message dated 5/18/2005 10:12:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I can understand > you saying that at conception we don't have a human, at 21 we do, and > somewhere in between we draw a line. > > But, that line should be based on the being itself, not what _we've_ do

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

- Original Message - From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today > Not really what I was asking about, b

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today > I'll answer this quickly...I

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

- Original Message - From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today > On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:42:54 -0400,

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(1986) (5-4) per Blackmun. The last case where a majority of the Court > would adhere completely to Roe. C.J. Burger, White, Rehnquist and O'Connor > dissenting. The Court struck down provisions of a Pennsylvania state law > requiring (1) that a woman receive information on abortion

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The AmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

- Original Message - From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The AmericanPoliticalLandscape Today On 5/19/05, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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ey. The pro-choice side, I have amply demonstrated, doesn't want any lines > drawn - as we still have not had anyone able to take my challenge of > identifying a *single* restriction on abortion supported by that side. > > >Am I defining abortion as murder? Killing viable infants

Re: Religion and morality (was Re: Abortion and so on)

On May 19, 2005, at 7:11 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 19 May 2005, at 3:03 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: I'm a bit surprised to find that I believe that in this very important sense no religion is more or less likely to do good. Nonetheless, it seems to me that because religious institutions are human

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The American Political Landscape Today

At 09:11 AM Thursday 5/19/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:42:54 -0400, JDG wrote > >The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred. > > This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic > teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church > document

Re: Abortion and so on

Damn you, Warren Okrassa! How dare you bring rational thought and personal stories to a discussion of abortion? I think you know as well as I do that the only way to argue this issue is with pictures of aborted fetuses, Bible verse placards, stories of women killed in back-alley clinics and

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

- Original Message - From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re:TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today > Warren Ockrassa wrote: > >

Re: Religion and morality (was Re: Abortion and so on)

On 19 May 2005, at 3:03 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: I'm a bit surprised to find that I believe that in this very important sense no religion is more or less likely to do good. Nonetheless, it seems to me that because religious institutions are human inventions, each has an equal ability to deceiv

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The AmericanPoliticalLandscape Today

On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:42:54 -0400, JDG wrote > >The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred. > > This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic > teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church > document supporting that position. Indeed, the above

Religion and morality (was Re: Abortion and so on)

On Wed, 18 May 2005 19:04:22 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote > The attempted genocide (alleged, to be fair) of American aborigines > in the 19th Century was possibly acceptable to many in the context > of its time... and > The concept itself is rooted in the idea of a deity, of course, > which i

Re: Abortion and Appeals to Emotion

At 10:44 AM 5/18/2005 -0700, Warren wrote: >Dan, you seem to be of the sense that almost any excuse can be >developed for a late-term abortion; it appears that Gary is of the >opinion that this is not a correct interpretation of current abortion >legislation. Clarigication: Ga

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The American PoliticalLandscape Today

Let me ask a very simple question which bothers me a lot about the legality >> >of third trimester abortions. If a woman finds a hospital and a physician >> >that are agreeable, is it legal to do a dilation and extraction on a fetus >> >that is normally developed, 8 lbs,

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own private property?" Slavery, after all, was explicitly protected by the Constitution (unlike abortion), and we had Supreme Court rulings affirming that slaves were property.So, why would you want to get the government involved in a person's disposition of his own property? If you are wi

Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The American Political Landscape Today

At 01:10 AM 5/18/2005 -0500, you wrote: > As I think we have shown already in this and previous >discussions, no matter where the line is drawn, there are going to be cases >which come near the line (on both sides) Actually, if the line is drawn at conception, there won't be any cases on one si

Re: Abortion and ... hell, I don't know any more

On May 19, 2005, at 12:42 AM, I wrote: He said, joking, "Was I worth it?" My answer, immediate, was "yes." Yes. To amplify, in the picosecond between his question and my answer, every torment I had ever lived, every horror I had endured, every bullying I'd ever faced was forgotten. In the space

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dependable, any other number of possible reasons to terminate. Most of the arguments in favor of abortion, I understand, came from her family. She didn't. Several years back I was knocking down $70K per year writing code for a Midwest commercial concern. The dot com bubble collapse hit us l

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ght, overlooking the very rare late-trimester abortion circumstance on the grounds that it's very rare is a little like ignoring the Earth-orbit crossing asteroids on the grounds that they've only caused three or maybe as many as five mass extinctions in 500 million years. The costs of f

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situation would actually work. I respond to this in another email. > > That an eighth-month abortion because of "malaise" has not yet > (TTBOMK) happened doesn't necessarily mean it won't, and if (as I > suspect is the case here) one feels an infant's soul is in

Re: Abortion and so on

On May 18, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Not to mention the big fat MISSSPELED WORDS & TYOPS that everyone else inevitably sees . . . not to mention the logical, clear dialogue that everyone else reads as a double-entendre . . . Damn, I left my Freudian slip in the other closet. -- Wa

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me serious ethical or moral questions. That an eighth-month abortion because of "malaise" has not yet (TTBOMK) happened doesn't necessarily mean it won't, and if (as I suspect is the case here) one feels an infant's soul is in peril or something like murder

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Dan Minette wrote: > What's trumped up or faked? You think that a woman wanting a late > term abortion won't be extremely anxious? DSM4 is _the_ diagnostic > tool for mental health. This is _literally_ by the book...her mental > health is in danger if she is suffering an

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Dan Minette wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The American > PoliticalLandscape Toda

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f your objection to supporting "free-range" abortion. How about laws that clearly define what "health of the mother" is meant to express? Would that help your discomfort? (If so, all we need to do is settle on that definition ... and 50,000 pages later we'd probably have a

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- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: TheAmericanPoliticalLandscape Today > In a message dated 5/18/2005 3:08:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >

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rders, but the particularly reprehensible way in which they were performed, and the aftermath -- I think rendered his humanity null. Even if it had been successfully argued that he was simply mentally unwell -- insane -- I would probably not have considered that an extenuating circumstance.

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