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From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Infanticide Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On May 16, 2005, at 7:34 PM, JDG wrote:
At 07:03 PM 5/16/2005 -0700
At 09:47 PM 5/18/2005 EDT, Bob wrote:
The problem there is that your reasoning does not reduce. There is a
distinct difference between, say, a blastocyst and an infant. The
question is not even when the zygote becomes human. The question is
what human actually means.
If the answer is
At 09:11 AM Thursday 5/19/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:42:54 -0400, JDG wrote
The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred.
This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic
teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church
document
On 5/19/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:41 AM 5/18/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
Los Angeles Times Poll. Jan. 30-Feb. 2, 2003. N=1,385 adults
nationwide.
MoE ± 3 (total sample).
Do you favor or oppose a law which would make it illegal to perform a
specific abortion procedure
On 5/19/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:47 PM 5/18/2005 EDT, Bob wrote:
As a scientist, I am sure that you agree that the unborn child is, in
fact,
homo sapiens. So, what you are really saying is that there are some
humans who do not enjoy the protection of human rights.
So, why
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On 5/19/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:41 AM 5/18/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote
On 5/19/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
The bill was ruled unconstitutional because it had no exceptions for
the well-being of the pregnant woman and in one of the trials in a
finding of fact a conservative
Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973) Companion case to Roe, striking down
parts of a liberalized statute from Georgia with health/rape/incest
exceptions. Holding, (7-2) per Blackmun, that a woman has a
constitutional
right to abortion from six months to birth, if her doctor in his best
On 5/19/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973) Companion case to Roe, striking down
parts of a liberalized statute from Georgia with health/rape/incest
exceptions. Holding, (7-2) per Blackmun, that a woman has a
constitutional
right to abortion
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On 5/19/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973
At 12:31 PM 5/19/2005 -0500, Gary wrote:
Los Angeles Times Poll. Jan. 30-Feb. 2, 2003. N=1,385 adults
nationwide.
MoE ± 3 (total sample).
Do you favor or oppose a law which would make it illegal to perform a
specific abortion procedure conducted in the last six months of a
woman's
At 10:02 PM Thursday 5/19/2005, JDG wrote:
At 07:11 AM 5/19/2005 -0700, Nick wrote:
The Catholic Church has it that every sperm is sacred.
This is a false statement. I am quite familiar with Catholic
teaching, and I do not believe that you can find a single Church
document supporting that
At 08:46 PM Tuesday 5/17/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Abortion and the Democratic Party Re: The
AmericanPoliticalLandscape Today
On 5/17/05,
On 5/17/05, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be illegal
some of the time. Most Democrats support the legality of all abortions,
even
for development beyond viability.
Do you haave a cite for that. I found
On 5/18/05, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 08:46 PM Tuesday 5/17/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
snip
Let me ask a very simple question which bothers me a lot about the legality
of third trimester abortions. If a woman finds a hospital and a physician
that are agreeable, is it
Matusik *Student of ChaosNursing
-Lenoir, NC USA
Dan M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Dave Land
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
Gautam, et al,
I'm writing to retract my previous
On Wed, 18 May 2005 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Leonard Matusik wrote
... I'm a political couch potatoe
Good to hear a new voice! But there's something here that reminds me of a
certain former vice president... ;-)
Nick
___
In a message dated 5/16/2005 10:38:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The problem there is that your reasoning does not reduce. There is a
distinct difference between, say, a blastocyst and an infant. The
question is not even when the zygote becomes human. The question
At 10:12 PM Monday 5/16/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 16, 2005, at 7:34 PM, JDG wrote:
At 07:03 PM 5/16/2005 -0700, Warren wrote:
The problem there is that your reasoning does not reduce. There is a
distinct difference between, say, a blastocyst and an infant. The
question is not even when
On May 17, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:12 PM Monday 5/16/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
What about people who do brutal things deliberately? Is the label
human applicable to, say, the BTK killer? Or the freaks of nature
who raped and murdered those poor girls in Florida, or
On 5/16/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why are the Republican who think we are going to far not heard from when
there are debates about abortion in just about every Democratic meeting
I
attended?
I'm going to take a
5/16/05, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:56 AM 5/16/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
I don't see it that way. Let's take one contraversial subject:
abortion.
The standard liberal Democratic position is to defend all abortions
without
question.
Extremist strawman hogwash. That is
Dan Minette wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be
illegal
some of the time. Most Democrats support the legality of all
abortions, even for development beyond viability.
Most Democrats /are/ Americans.
I think your phrasing here is a bit misleading.
Are you
- Original Message -
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
Dan Minette wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should
Gary Denton wrote:
You can pick and choose issues to show there are fewer conservatives
but in my neighborhood I agree with you. It is sometimes surprising
to see a large number of mainly white liberal families get together
like we did Saturday for a Family Fun day and Dump Delay picnic in
On 5/17/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
Dan Minette wrote:
The point
At 03:24 PM Tuesday 5/17/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 17, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:12 PM Monday 5/16/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
What about people who do brutal things deliberately? Is the label
human applicable to, say, the BTK killer? Or the freaks of nature who
On 5/17/05, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gary Denton wrote:
You can pick and choose issues to show there are fewer conservatives
but in my neighborhood I agree with you. It is sometimes surprising
to see a large number of mainly white liberal families get together
like we
On May 17, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I think you need to find out what someone had added to the salt shaker
at that IHOP . . .
:D
I rarely use salt. The syrup might have been spiked, though.
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
At 07:30 PM Tuesday 5/17/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 17, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I think you need to find out what someone had added to the salt shaker at
that IHOP . . .
:D
I rarely use salt. The syrup might have been spiked, though.
Or maybe the sugar in it had
Dan wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be illegal
some of the time. Most Democrats support the legality of all abortions,
even
for development beyond viability.
Do you haave a cite for that. I found this:
Los Angeles Times Poll. Jan. 30-Feb. 2, 2003. N=1,385
At 07:52 PM 5/17/2005 -0700, Doug wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be illegal
some of the time. Most Democrats support the legality of all abortions,
even
for development beyond viability.
Do you haave a cite for that. I found this:
Los Angeles Times
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
Dan wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be illegal
some
JDG wrote:
And these Democrats voting against it were definitely of the liberal
Democrat variety.
But of course if the exceptions that the Dems wanted had been included,
the law wouldn't be having trouble in court.
--
Doug
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- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
JDG wrote:
And these Democrats voting against it were definitely of the liberal
At 08:25 PM 5/17/2005 -0700, Doug wrote:
And these Democrats voting against it were definitely of the liberal
Democrat variety.
But of course if the exceptions that the Dems wanted had been included,
the law wouldn't be having trouble in court.
You're pulling a bait-and-switch, Doug.The
At 06:44 PM 5/17/2005 -0500, Gary Denton wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be
illegal
some of the time. Most Democrats support the legality of all
abortions, even for development beyond viability.
I have never heard that position offered**. Roe v.
JDG wrote:
Since this health exception includes mental health, it means that any
woman desiring an abortion is able to claim the health exception.
Even one that could not get a doctor to back her claim up?
--
Doug
___
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
JDG wrote:
Since this health exception includes mental health, it means that any
- Original Message -
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
Gautam, et al,
I'm writing to retract my previous message. I reject your
categorization of me
On Sun, 15 May 2005 12:11:23 -0400, JDG wrote
First of all, that is not what Dave Land proposed. He proposed
that 17% was the mainstream.
It seems that we differ with respect to our understanding of what Dave might
have meant. I'd rather not assume that either one of is correct until we
On Sun, 15 May 2005 13:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
In particular, the categories are not continuous,
obviously enough.
Again with the tubular cured meat.
Left, middle and right are not continuous! At what center are the centrists?
What are the middle-of-the-road people in the
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who is mainstream, according to this report? Who,
Gautam
Nick
Not you, Nick. Most Americans don't think God has an
opinion on marginal tax rates, and most of those who
do don't share yours. I am comfortable with my own
position as pretty near
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This does not appear to be the case. People often
vote *against* their
self-interest. This conundrum appears to be resolved
by the
understanding that people vote their identities, not
their interests.
The Republican party did a superior job in the
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You persist in making personal attacks on me.
Knock it off.
Dave
You persist in being a jackass. Why don't _you_ knock
it off? I'm still pissed at being maliciously quoted
out of context, forget about being accused of a lack
of intellectual honesty
- Original Message -
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On May 15, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:59 AM Sunday 5/15/2005, Nick
On Mon, 16 May 2005 09:00:12 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
Not you, Nick. Most Americans don't think God has an
opinion on marginal tax rates, and most of those who
do don't share yours.
When you write stuff like this, as if I'm another God-in-my-back-pocket
prosperity-Gospel
On Mon, 16 May 2005 11:34:35 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
Isn't there a simpler explanation? Conservative Democrats are
people who are traditional Democrats, based on families, etc., but
are actually conservative. Thus, they identify themselves as
Democrats but often do vote Republican based
On 5/16/05, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You persist in making personal attacks on me.
Knock it off.
Dave
You persist in being a jackass. Why don't _you_ knock
it off? I'm still pissed at being maliciously quoted
out of context,
On May 16, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Gary Denton wrote:
On 5/16/05, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You persist in making personal attacks on me.
Knock it off.
Dave
You persist in being a jackass. Why don't _you_ knock
it off? I'm still pissed at being
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On Mon, 16 May 2005 11:34:35 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
Isn't there a simpler explanation
Well this discussion certainly hasn't moved beyond Red and Blue.
In regards to recent comments, in issue after issue the conservative
Democrats are more like the two groups to their left, the other Democrats,
then to the Republican groups.
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you write stuff like this, as if I'm another
God-in-my-back-pocket
prosperity-Gospel preacher, I'm pissed off. I'm
angry when I hear you
misrepresenting ideas that are very important to me,
life and death issues.
I'm certain that you know
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is clear that I have gotten up Gautam's nostril
this week, and I have
found his messages more than a little intemperate,
but I will not
descend with him to the level personal attacks, and
hope you'll allow me
to invite you to resist the temptation
On 5/16/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On Mon, 16 May 2005 11:34:35 -0500
I also retract the meds comment. I was catching up with my emails and it
struck me how intemperate, even for Gautam, his remarks have been in the
last day.
--
Gary Denton
Easter Lemming Blogs
http://elemming.blogspot.com
http://elemming2.blogspot.com
On May 16, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Not really, no. You're right, you've gotten up my
nostril. I don't like being maliciously misquoted.
I don't like being patronized by someone who is in no
way my superior. I don't like people who distort
religion to support secular political
On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:25:52 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
I don't see it that way. Let's take one contraversial subject: abortion.
The standard liberal Democratic position is to defend all abortions without
question.
Extremist strawman hogwash. That is neither the party position, nor much of
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fair enough. You believe that I have my head up my
ass, and you either
don't believe that it is a personal attack OR that
you are above the
community etiquette of Brin-L.
No, but when one of the list-owners is as egregiously
offensive - and, frankly,
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:25:52 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
I don't see it that way. Let's take
On Mon, 16 May 2005 13:18:26 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
I'm trying to think of which abortions the Democrats are willing to outlaw.
I can't.
How many Democrats think abortion is a good thing? I mean come on, is the
subject the goodness of abortion or is it the decision about whether or not it
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On 5/16/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Nick
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On Mon, 16 May 2005 13:18:26 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
I'm trying to think of which abortions
On May 16, 2005, at 9:03 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This does not appear to be the case. People often
vote *against* their
self-interest. This conundrum appears to be resolved
by the
understanding that people vote their identities, not
their interests.
The
On May 16, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you write stuff like this, as if I'm another
God-in-my-back-pocket
prosperity-Gospel preacher, I'm pissed off. I'm
angry when I hear you
misrepresenting ideas that are very important to me,
life and
On 5/16/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On Mon, 16 May 2005 13:18:26 -0500, Dan
On May 16, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be illegal
some
of the time. Most Democrats support the legality of all abortions,
even
for development beyond viability.
One quibble here. Even after being born, you can't really argue
On May 16, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fair enough. You believe that I have my head up my
ass, and you either
don't believe that it is a personal attack OR that
you are above the
community etiquette of Brin-L.
No, but when one of the list-owners
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
They even manufactured the term partial-birth abortion because
it precisely evoked the disgust
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On May 16, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe
On 5/16/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
snip
The procedure that was banned
On May 16, 2005, at 1:29 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be illegal
some
of the time. Most Democrats support the legality of all abortions,
even
for development beyond viability.
One quibble here. Even
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On May 16, 2005, at 1:29 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
Are you a doctor? Why do you want the government making medical
decisions?
Because I don't
On 5/16/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
Are you a doctor? Why do you want
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
On 5/16/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Gary
At 10:56 AM 5/16/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
I don't see it that way. Let's take one contraversial subject: abortion.
The standard liberal Democratic position is to defend all abortions without
question.
Extremist strawman hogwash. That is neither the party position, nor much of
On Mon, 16 May 2005 19:31:19 -0400, JDG wrote
At 10:56 AM 5/16/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
I don't see it that way. Let's take one contraversial subject: abortion.
The standard liberal Democratic position is to defend all abortions
without
question.
Extremist strawman hogwash.
- Original Message -
From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why are the Republican who think we are going to far not heard from when
there are debates about abortion in just about every Democratic meeting I
attended?
I'm going to take a wild guess and somehow connect it to the fact that the
At 03:29 PM 5/16/2005 -0500, Dan M. wrote:
The point is, most Americans believe that abortions should be illegal
some
of the time. Most Democrats support the legality of all abortions,
even
for development beyond viability.
One quibble here. Even after being born, you can't really
On May 16, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not arguing for that at all; I'm just suggesting that the test of
viability is somewhat vague.
I realize that you were arguing somewhat hypothetically concerning my
definition. I was pointing out the
On May 16, 2005, at 5:15 PM, JDG wrote:
At 04:51 PM 5/16/2005 -0500, Warren wrote:
To me abortion is a personal decision. I don't expect it to be an
easy
one when we're talking about a fairly anatomically developed fetus,
and
I am proximally sure that legislatures need to keep their mitts out
At 07:03 PM 5/16/2005 -0700, Warren wrote:
The problem there is that your reasoning does not reduce. There is a
distinct difference between, say, a blastocyst and an infant. The
question is not even when the zygote becomes human. The question is
what human actually means.
If the answer is homo
On May 16, 2005, at 7:34 PM, JDG wrote:
At 07:03 PM 5/16/2005 -0700, Warren wrote:
The problem there is that your reasoning does not reduce. There is a
distinct difference between, say, a blastocyst and an infant. The
question is not even when the zygote becomes human. The question is
what human
On Sun, 15 May 2005 00:16:57 -0400, JDG wrote
At 07:15 PM 5/14/2005 -0700, you wrote:
Liberals 17%
As you can see, the Liberals *as defined by the Pew report* are the
largest bloc. The mainstream, one might say.
Shirley, you can't be serious?
The Pew numbers show
At 10:59 AM Sunday 5/15/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
How does one go about persuading people to vote for candidates with whom they
fundamentally disagree? Politics is quite mysterious.
Perhaps it's because so often when people get to the polls they hold their
noses and vote for the least
At 07:15 PM 5/14/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote:
Right-leaning:
Enterprisers 9%
Social Conservatives 11%
Pro-Government Conservatives 9%
Centrist/Unaffiliated:
Upbeats 11%
Disaffecteds 9%
Bystanders 10%
- Original Message -
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
At 10:59 AM Sunday 5/15/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
How does one go about persuading people
At 11:28 AM Sunday 5/15/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: The American Political Landscape Today
At 10:59 AM Sunday 5/15/2005, Nick
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm clearly out of *your* main stream... Main
stream
of what,
I'm not entirely sure, but I am happy to be out of
it.
Dave
Well, I like to think about politics, you like to
posture about them. It's not surprising that we'd
come to different positions,
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gautam, et al,
I'm writing to retract my previous message. I reject
your
categorization of me as being out of the mainstream.
Moreover, I found
your message a little short on what I'll call
intellectual honesty.
I was pointing out - using a
JDG said
First of all, that is not what Dave Land proposed. He proposed
that 17% was the mainstream.
No, he did not. He said
As you can see, the Liberals *as defined by the Pew report* are
the largest bloc. The mainstream, one might say.
Note the key phrase: one might say.
* Robert J. Chassell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
JDG, you weaken your argments when you take Dave's words out of
context. For example, you also queried whether Conservative Democrats
should be considered `Left-leaning'. That is a good question.
No, it is not a good question. This whole thing
In any case, labels aside, the center is pretty much by definition the
mainstream.
--
Doug
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On May 15, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm clearly out of *your* main stream... Main
stream
of what,
I'm not entirely sure, but I am happy to be out of
it.
Dave
Well, I like to think about politics, you like to
posture about them. It's not
On May 15, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:59 AM Sunday 5/15/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
How does one go about persuading people to vote for candidates with
whom
they fundamentally disagree? Politics is quite mysterious.
Perhaps it's because so often when people get to the polls
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's nice to know that, despite the opinions of some
among our
august body, we liberals are *not* out of the
mainstream, we
*are* the mainstream.
Dave
A hypothetical...there are four groups in a
population. Each with 20% of the population. We can
On May 14, 2005, at 4:38 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
It's not that you're not in the mainstream, Dave, it's
that you're so detached from it _you don't even know
where it is_.
I'm clearly out of *your* main stream... Main stream of what,
I'm not entirely sure, but I am happy to be out of it.
Dave
Gautam, et al,
I'm writing to retract my previous message. I reject your
categorization of me as being out of the mainstream. Moreover, I found
your message a little short on what I'll call intellectual honesty.
First, you admittedly pulled your numbers out of your ... um ... head,
whereas
At 07:15 PM 5/14/2005 -0700, you wrote:
Liberals 17%
As you can see, the Liberals *as defined by the Pew report* are the
largest bloc. The mainstream, one might say.
Shirley, you can't be serious?
JDG
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