RE: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

2003-07-07 Thread Nick Arnett
to accept some of society's teachings on faith or live outside of society. Or perhaps it means that there is a God who has perfect knowledge, to which we have access in a less comprehensible way. I don't know, but I've made a choice and while it isn't the most logical, it is the mo

RE: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

2003-07-07 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Jan Coffey ... > >The second part (altruism is an outcome > > of > > evolution) is circular, since it assumes that our characteristics are > > derived exclusively from evolutionary processes. > > There is

RE: Religion based ethics

2003-07-08 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger ... > Let me ask you this, Dan. If morals/ethics are purely a matter of > faith, and the "rules" as set forth by a god, why aren't they constant? > Why are slavery, human sacrifice, infa

RE: No conflicts between selfishness and morality? L3

2003-07-08 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger ... > The second part (altruism is an outcome of > > evolution) is circular, since it assumes that our characteristics are > > derived exclusively from evolutionary processes. Even if tr

RE: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

2003-07-08 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Ronn!Blankenship ... > Could the "Week Anthropic Principle" be the hypothesis that the Earth was > created in seven days? No, that's the week anthropomorphic principle. Nick _

RE: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

2003-07-08 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Erik Reuter > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:24 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality? > > Isn't the reasonable response to imperfect knowledge to rati

RE: Religion based ethics

2003-07-09 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger ... > That gives me the impression that you think we're some kind of science > experiment. I don't think that's a logical conclusion. The point is that solving one mystery, such as the or

RE: test

2003-07-10 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Julia Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:18 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: test > > > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > > Ping? > > Pong. I'm waiting to hear from Nick as to just what hap

My latest -- OpenSector.org

2003-07-10 Thread Nick Arnett
t it has a Squid caching server as its front end, which is hosted at Verio, so it should be able to handle a fairly hefty load. We're eager for article submissions and looking for volunteer editors, who will review and edit submissions, and have access to some back-end tools that we'r

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-17 Thread Nick Arnett
an nor U.S. intelligence services or top elected officials could get this right. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-17 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... > The British apparently believed it. The Americans knew better. What concerns me more is that there is a very thorough system for reviewing anything that the U.S. president says in

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-18 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda ... > Well, I am sorry about that. This is an issue that is > striking a little close to the heart, though. There > is a pervasive dishonesty that has crept into this > issue where we hav

RE: What would you have to believe?

2003-07-18 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda ... > You would have to believe that they invaded Iraq > knowing that, after the country was defeated, it would > be revealed that there was nothing there. No. It's not a Boolean. They c

RE: What would you have to believe?

2003-07-18 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda ... > Only to the extent that the possession of _any_ WMDs > by Iraq immediately makes the war fully legal under > international law. Any at all. What does that have to do with whether or

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-19 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Jon Gabriel ... > The primary role of a leader is to keep his/her country safe and its > borders protected. If he were to ignore clear threats to his country's > security by refusing to defend against the

RE: I'm back

2003-07-19 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Dan Minette > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:19 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: I'm back > > > Well, I've not been posting for a while because I've been overwhelmed with > > 1) Planning my parents

Research on ET penetration of government

2003-07-20 Thread Nick Arnett
cludes that the consequences of inaction in response to the ET presence is a very real threat to human sovereignty. An online version of the Research Study is available at http://www.exopolitics.org -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _

When does it end? (RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words)

2003-07-21 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > John D. Giorgis ... > No, we are at war because September 11th caused this President to > recognize > that we had long since been at war in a way that we had not previously > recognized.Moreover, 9/

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-21 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of John D. Giorgis ... > Sorry Nick, but if you can find me someone who thought that the British > reports of Iraqi atempts to acquire uranium in Africa was the lynchpin of > the war argument, then maybe thi

RE: [L3] Multimillionaire John Gilmore is suing the government toremain anonymous

2003-07-22 Thread Nick Arnett
implications of that incident bother me quite a bit. And I'm not comfortable with the government telling anyone, "You're violating a secret rule." It was funny in Animal House ("double-secret probation") but not so much in real life. -- Nick Arne

Admin: Strange day for computers here

2003-07-22 Thread Nick Arnett
ore around here. If I never touch a keyboard again, that might go a long way in that direction... ;-) And now you know too much about my day. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Gautam Mukunda ... > Taken advantage of by people more interested in > political power than the national interest. This sounds to me about as rational as characterizing the right as people more interes

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Kevin Tarr ... > You, sir, are an idiot. I'm having a hard time seeing that sentence as anything other than a personal attack. Please refrain from that sort of generalization. Nick ___

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda ... > The Joint Chiefs could probably do a pretty good job > of it. They could do no worse than the people running > them now, certainly. But, Nick, the war against > terrorism is more im

RE: Arrgh!

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
Send me the headers for something that bounced. Obviously, this message of yours didn't. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Jon Gabriel > Sent: Thursday, July

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I would contend that had Gore won the > post 911 stuff would have gone the same. We would have gone into > Afghanastan with the same outcome. I would argue that Gore would > have been

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of John D. Giorgis > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct Not sure if it's so clear to those of you who don't live here, but a lo

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-25 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of pencimen ... > Enron _and_ the Bush administration. > > Or is that what you meant? Sort of. Except that there's some superset that they're both part of, which I dare not name. ;-) Nick __

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-25 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ritu > Umm, and since when have the Presidents of the USA been in the habit of > basing their policy statements on intelligence reports from other > countries without having their own agencies verify

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Nick Arnett
words > > > At 07:52 AM 7/24/2003 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote: > >Setting aside sarcasm now... I think that you may be mistake in > *expecting* > >the left to come up with a coherent war plan against terrorism. > > I think that's Gautam's point. If, as you seem

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 3:20 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct > > > At 07:51 AM 7/25/

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-28 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... > > The State of the Union is irrelevant to this example. > But it is not irrelevant because this is THE major policy speech > that the president makes every year. This speech is wor

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-29 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of John D. Giorgis ... > Which of course brings us back to a, b, c, or d - all of which would be > consistent with not using it in the State of the Union?Care to give it > one more shot Bob?How about

ADMIN: Julia and Jose are running the show, mostly

2003-08-03 Thread Nick Arnett
ay to fix it. With luck, that issue will be moot. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: shrubCo's faith-based prison program an absolute failure

2003-08-09 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To say that this person's position is no > different from the > Bush Administration totally ignores the fact that a person > posting on a list > most of the time has absolutely no respo

RE: ADMIN: Julia and Jose are running the show, mostly

2003-08-14 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Deborah Harrell ... > What a terrible shock. I hope it is operable; at > least he's in a great institution. Stanford certainly is. I wish I hadn't had so much experience with it, though! >From the

RE: Scouted: Okay to execute innocent?

2003-08-14 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship ... > Most people who have studied it say that rape is a crime of > _violence_, and > that the sexual assault is only the way in which it is carried > out. I fail > to see the legitimate

RE: The evil ham and cheese sandwich

2003-08-14 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship ... > One possible answer in this case is that Jesus fulfilled the law > of Moses, > but a prohibition on homosexuality is also found in the New Testament > (Romans 1:26-27, frex). That'

RE: Scouted: Okay to execute innocent?

2003-08-14 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship ... > >Again, a straw man. Nobody is saying that people do these things because > >they can't deal with their needs legitimately. > > > > That is what it sounded like you were saying: I

RE: Probably vanishing for a while

2003-08-14 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda ... > My second message, however, is that I may be - > probably will be - vanishing for a while. I am > currently working for a very large pharmaceutical > company on the worldwide marketi

RE: Scouted: Okay to execute innocent?

2003-08-14 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship ... > How would making our (I presume you mean the U.S.?) society "more just" > stop a would-be rapist from ever committing his first rape? Or a > pedophile > from molesting his first yo

RE: Be careful what you shoot at whom....

2003-08-14 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Julia Thompson ... > http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/08132003_nw_paintball.html > > In Pittsburgh, 3 teenagers were shooting paintballs from a moving > vehicle, and someone living there decided to retur

Update on Nick's friend/biz partner

2003-08-14 Thread Nick Arnett
and other support from literally hundreds of people, including many of the Brin-L community. Thank you! Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: Drugs (was Most Dangerous States)

2003-08-19 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger ... > When are we going to wake up and realize that people want to get > high? From the mild stimulus of caffeine, the outwardly > innocuousness of nicotine and the destructiveness of alco

RE: Drugs (was Most Dangerous States)

2003-08-19 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship > So let's talk openly about them here. What are those legitimate needs > which you believe are denied, and how do you think those needs > should be met? I think I already gave a number

RE: Drugs (was Most Dangerous States)

2003-08-20 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship ... > (1) So if "[I] put words in [your] head by saying that [their legitimate > needs] are denied," by "denial of legitimate needs" do you mean > self-denial > by the person with the nee

RE: Worm Week

2003-08-20 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Robert Seeberger ... > I had at least 5 attempts to infect my PC tonight. > Anyone else getting hits? The list addresses -- brin-l and mailman's internal list -- are getting hit hard. There were already

RE: Worm Week

2003-08-20 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Julia Thompson ... > Oh, and one other thing -- we've gotten error messages indicating that > some copies of the virus went out with "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" as the > "from", and I *know* that's not right. So

ADMIN: Back to our MTA

2003-08-26 Thread Nick Arnett
t. I have just switched MTAs from our ISP to our local server. This at least should allow me to see what's happening when mail delivery is attempted. I'm confounded. Or perhaps befuddled. It's hard to tell the difference. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (

ADMIN: More possible fixes

2003-08-26 Thread Nick Arnett
The list doesn't seem much better this morning... so I've removed some lock files that were hanging around even when Mailman, the list server software, was shut down. Perhaps *that* will end this madness. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL

FW: ADMIN: Another test from Yahoo...

2003-08-26 Thread Nick Arnett
This time, I'll actually send it from Yahoo (oops). -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:21 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: ADMI

ADMIN: Well...

2003-08-26 Thread Nick Arnett
The logs look a bit more encouraging, so I'm calling it a night. I hope to get up in the morning to find a properly behaving list. It's been an adventure. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.c

ADMIN: Patching

2003-08-26 Thread Nick Arnett
Okay, folks, I think I found the problem. It's a bug in Mailman, triggered by a username that contains 8-bit characters. I've just patched the code and I hope that'll take care of the problem, but I'm continuing to try to figure it out. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7

RE: Testing...

2003-08-26 Thread Nick Arnett
roblem or just a serious delay. Thanks! Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Nick Arnett > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:34 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion

Testing...

2003-08-26 Thread Nick Arnett
I'm sending another message just so that I can watch the mail log right afterwards... please ignore. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

ADMIN: Possibly fixed?

2003-08-26 Thread Nick Arnett
oblem... Let's see if this message gets out! -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Interesting

2004-04-20 Thread Nick Arnett
Robert Seeberger wrote: I don't know what to make of this. Just plain freaky. http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3 It's the shadow of the right engine nacelle. Wackos... sheesh. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone

Re: Interesting

2004-04-20 Thread Nick Arnett
Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Interesting Robert Seeberger wrote: I don't know what to

Re: Interesting

2004-04-20 Thread Nick Arnett
Robert Seeberger wrote: Its just weird that it seems to be in the same place in every picture taken seconds apart and from different angles. Shadows are like that, of course. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED

The opposite of having to be right

2004-04-23 Thread Nick Arnett
ust have my opinions, my point of view -- and let go of any concern about who you are. Another way I've heard this idea expressed is that I need to practice being a *human being*, rather than following my natural inclination to be a "human doing." And there we have it, another blow

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-12 Thread Nick Arnett
hich is the people of God, and the church that I attend. They are not the same. I don't think there's any church -- institution -- that is free of cult-like aspects. They're made of humans and that's one of the things we humans do. Nick Nick Arnett Dir

Re: Mark Steyn on Nicolas Berg and Daniel Pearl

2004-05-12 Thread Nick Arnett
isan political agenda. I'm not sure that the two major U.S. political parties are very different from the media in that respect. I hear so much self-righteous talk about giving blame and not enough about forgetting about blame and taking responsibility. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Inte

Re: Mark Steyn on Nicolas Berg and Daniel Pearl

2004-05-12 Thread Nick Arnett
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hear so much self-righteous talk about giving blame and not enough about forgetting about blame and taking responsibility. Nick But this is absurd. I have no responsibility for the people who crashed planes into the WT

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-12 Thread Nick Arnett
where things were headed, and the forces driving them, a long time ago. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Mark Steyn on Nicolas Berg and Daniel Pearl

2004-05-12 Thread Nick Arnett
repeatedly)... and many become burn-outs who forget their idealism in order to make it in a profit-driven business that weeds out those whose work doesn't contribute to the delivery of eyeballs to advertisers. You conflated power with economics, which wasn't what I meant. Nick --

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-12 Thread Nick Arnett
That becomes painfully clear to the people in those divisions when profits drop. I'm *not* criticizing capitalism here. I'm criticizing an oligopoly that (legally) abuses liberal democratic freedoms. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/f

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-12 Thread Nick Arnett
isers generally pay much lower rates for elderly eyeballs. I'm astounded that this perception persists... but since the media treat the media as a virtually taboo subject for real journalism, I suppose it shouldn't surprise me. They are very profitable. Nick -- Nick Arnett Dir

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-11 Thread Nick Arnett
forgiven, which is backwards from the gospel. The good news is that we are acceptable to God exactly as we are. Jesus' harshest words were for the self-righteous, who rejected that idea. Nick (addicted to self-righteousness, but doing better all the time) -- Nick Arnett Director, B

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread Nick Arnett
that could fit into God's plan. Besides, we Christians, as a group, really don't need *any* help at this sort of thing. But perhaps I'm just being silly. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0

Re: Fight the Future: Compassionate Coercion

2004-04-26 Thread Nick Arnett
posed to the government, has the ultimate control over matters of the mind. Without freedom of thought, what freedom remains? Hey, we should ban the most widely abused central nervous stimulant, which manipulates the brains of hundreds of millions of people every day. After all, television clearly is

Re: New Case for Oldest Life on Earth

2004-04-26 Thread Nick Arnett
Time for something new. -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: a Right-Wing Terrorist Prepares for Mass-Murder

2004-04-26 Thread Nick Arnett
ts is news, that seems like a bit of a left-handed compliment to the right, since it implies that there has been no such threat in the past. On the other hand, over the course of history, there have been plenty of left- and right-wing terrorists. They're all terrorists to me. Nick -- Nick

Re: Mike Lee quotes

2004-04-27 Thread Nick Arnett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I see is attempts to demonize Mike because, well ... He's winning... If he "wins," then perhaps he'll realize that he's on a list with a bunch of losers, so he'll leave. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services

Re: The opposite of having to be right

2004-04-27 Thread Nick Arnett
...). Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

ADMIN: Wonky server

2004-04-29 Thread Nick Arnett
reinstall everything" that I can come up with, and individual re-installs seem to be failing. This system is running RH 9, a/k/a Fedora. BTW, it's running now because I can boot from a system CD, then chroot to our normal system and start everything manually. Ugh. Nick -- Ni

Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

2004-04-29 Thread Nick Arnett
work around that... Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

2004-04-29 Thread Nick Arnett
The Fool wrote: -- From Nick Arnett If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to hear them. You can do an exhaustive memory check: <<http://www.memtest86.com/>> You can in

ADMIN: Server problem finally identified

2004-04-30 Thread Nick Arnett
us, ugly chore, I'm afraid. We had our server-level virus scanning off for just a few days, after recovering from a disk failure... and this is what we get! Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0

Re: Is it hot in here?

2004-05-03 Thread Nick Arnett
Dan Minette wrote: 2) There is nothing underlying physics. No turtles?! -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-18 Thread Nick Arnett
t terribly, terribly wrong and Luther sparked quite a movement in response. I was at our church's Synod Assembly last week and heard an awful lot of what seemed to be the same kind of error. It's not at all unusual in churches and may very well be the one thing that is most wrong w

Re: Email account utilization warning.

2004-05-18 Thread Nick Arnett
list server and there's not much to be done about it, short of things like SPF. Speaking of which, one way to help see that *your* address isn't spoofed is to get your e-mail provider to support SPF. See http://spf.pobox.com/ Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Serv

Re: Brin: group still active?

2004-05-20 Thread Nick Arnett
fixed it. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: group still active?

2004-05-21 Thread Nick Arnett
rt the web daemon afterwards. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Iridium Flares

2004-05-23 Thread Nick Arnett
x27;re so quick that the big challenge is to make sure you're looking at the right part of the sky. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Bishop Sheridan Re: Unitarians not a religion

2004-05-25 Thread Nick Arnett
lesson on "how to be good," tempting though it is to treat it that way. It's about how to be real. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Friday (the cat)

2004-05-28 Thread Nick Arnett
ure for my wife's allergies, disappeared more than a year ago. Dogs -- you take them home, feed and care for them; they think, "You must be a god!" Cats -- you take them home, feed and care for them; they think, "I must be a god!" Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business

Re: Archbishop Chaput of Denver

2004-06-04 Thread Nick Arnett
Catholic hospital, and couldn't help wondering how scandalized some Catholics might be if they knew that a lay Lutheran was serving communion in their chapel. But hey, Jesus was quite the scandalous character to his church, not to mention undignified and foo

Re: 'Liberal Media Bias'

2004-06-04 Thread Nick Arnett
Gary Denton wrote: The theory of public media is that corporations nearly always have the money to get their voice heard. Shouldn't there also be a place where the public citizen is heard? You're looking at it. However, it is just being born. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business In

Re: Religious Leaders Assail Amendment on Gay Marriage

2004-06-04 Thread Nick Arnett
. One solution to the current disagreement would be to let the state marry whoever it wants and let the church bless whichever unions it chooses. One of the obstacles is that language, since church leaders generally seem to want to own the word "marriage" exclusively. Nick -- Nick Arnet

Re: Archbishop Chaput of Denver

2004-06-06 Thread Nick Arnett
ed with an analogy of fire and iron -- put iron into fire and they are united, with the iron becoming red-hot, but they are still fire and iron. I have some familiarity with Luther. I have some familiarity with Calvin. I'm not really familiar with Erasmus. Nutshell description? More sarca

[ADMIN] List down for a little while

2004-06-23 Thread Nick Arnett
We're switching servers and the list will be off the air for a little while... The next message will indicate success! Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

[ADMIN] Back up

2004-06-24 Thread Nick Arnett
Took much longer than expected... had a bogus binary for our MTA installed, then small nightmares of configuration, but if you get this mesage, we're back on the air. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROT

ADMIN: The server knew I was away

2004-08-04 Thread Nick Arnett
. Will double-check our UPSs! Discussing moving the list, etc., to a Liveworld server now... but I'm cautious about mixing personal and company stuff. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROT

Re: Horses

2004-08-06 Thread Nick Arnett
Robert J. Chassell wrote: In a herd, stallions protect the others and breed, but the individual horse who finds good grass is often a mare. I certainly observed this in a small herd of wild mustangs near Virginia City, NV a few weeks ago. The stallion stayed higher than the rest, keeping an eye

Creed (was Re: Objective Evil)

2004-08-09 Thread Nick Arnett
Julia Thompson wrote: It's in the Nicene creed. ("Holy, catholic and apostolic church" is what is said in the Episcopal church in the US. I suppose I could go upstairs and see what it is they say in New Zealand; I was given a New Zealand prayerbook as a present) Lutherans, too, here and in NZ

Re: Objective Evil

2004-08-10 Thread Nick Arnett
Gary Denton wrote: Since I am a UU - formed from the merger of two creedless churchs this is a matter of great fun for me. Then you get should the joke... A Unitarian dies and finds himself facing a sign that says "Heaven," with an arrow pointing to the right, and "Discussion of Heaven," with an

Re: the new Bush ad : I don't see any morphing...

2004-08-10 Thread Nick Arnett
Gary Denton wrote: The CIA uses very few agents which have been set up with expensive cover employment in CIA front companies. This statistic is published somewhere? Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

2004-08-12 Thread Nick Arnett
Davd Brin wrote: I want to move a DOT using a simple mathematicall algorithm. I have examples in books. Why can I not show this to my son? It is EXACTLY what Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and Wozniak did. I still have at least one, possibly two, PC-8201A "portable" computers, which have a BASIC imp

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

2004-08-12 Thread Nick Arnett
Nick Arnett wrote: I still have at least one, possibly two, PC-8201A "portable" computers, which have a BASIC implementation that was the last piece of code Bill Gates worked on. They have 8K of memory, a four or six-line display and you use a tape recorder to save your programs... b

Re: Brin: Format & Reinstall

2004-08-12 Thread Nick Arnett
Davd Brin wrote: Dave, write to me separately with your address and please let me send you some book plates & stuff. Dave works at my house and solved this problem on company time, so send it here. ;-) Seriously, though, Dave is planning a trip to Legoland in a couple of weeks, so perhaps he co

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