BIN THE TOUR.
It's broken.
It's been broken for as long as I can remember (about 5 years).
It's been "fixed" every year - seemingly without success.
And it's not longer capable of serving the purpose it was originally created
for.
Crispy
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If I've got my math right, the rankings for all teams so far involved in the
A Tour:
01472 = 250 (1)+ 222 (3)Leeds Leeds Leeds
02452 = 202 (5)+ 250 (1)Clapham
452 = 222 (3)+ 230 (2)Fire of London 1
04440 = 230 (2)+ 210 (4)Chevron
05384 = 182
Aura,
I agree that, were it to be utilised, a proper and well thought out
implementation of a TWL would be essential... my numbers per division were
arbritrary, based on the 'simple' numbers (minimums that I'd hope/expect the
Tours to *consistently* achieve in 2005) of teams to write formats/sched
Jon,
UTB came 3rd at tour 1 and 17th at tour 2 because of personnel issue at
the latter. We are still not sure which team will be able to attend tour
3, it could be something in between.
B tour teams do not, in general, have the consitentcy of personnel fund
in the A tour and I feel that the cu
I would just like to say that I had a fantastic time at Tour 2 (B). The weather
was great, I thought the format was good and I had plenty of sunbathing time
between matches as well as 9 well spirited games.
Neil
T. Devon 2
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Jamie,
> Why should we reply to you privately? Are you really appointing yourself
> as
> some sort of Tour Structure Tsar? Last year when the A-Tour format was
> changed, it was to "the people's choice of structure", and yet 12 months
> later people are complaining again!
Why to me privately? Bec
Tom
Yes Yes Yes
We all know that there are very few (any?) other sports that push
people to the extremes that we push ourselves to playing in a Tour
event. It really isn't fun any more - or am I just getting old (note
the lack of question mark).
Less games = more time to watch Ultimate / Social
BD,
I love a good trawl through the JC vs JP email fest, and there's been some
excellent points made.
Here's my take on the situation.
PROBLEMS
Imbalance between tour A and tour B/Women's pitch time (Value for money)
Back to back games very unpopular
Six 2 hour hardcore games in a weekend make
I don't disagree with the idea of a TWL, providing it's implemented
reasonably. However, wait-listing 30% of the women's teams who want to
enter an event? That's totally unfair for our division and completely
defeats the UKUA's goal of promoting the growth of women's ultimate.
In my opinion, n
This seems a very sensable and practical solution.
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From: "Statham, Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:33 PM
Subject: [BD] The Solution
Surely we've heard the solution for this season? Someone has already
said - e
What happened to the 'Tour Waiting List'?
The basic premise: the TD/DoC calculates a sensible maximum number of
teams to run in the available time and pitch space - i.e. they work out
the optimum schedule for that event. If the tournament is then
oversubscribed, some teams are refused entry and p
This is the same conclusion we came to re Tour 1.
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From: "hannah easter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "McLoughlin, Matthew J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Britdisc"
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: [BD] shelter at tour 2
re shelter at tour 2
Hi
this is somethi
Surely we've heard the solution for this season? Someone has already said -
extend the schedule so that games don't finish until 6/6.30 or maybe even 7pm
if necessary. We have the light - use it.
This way you can programme in sensible length breaks between games if the
schedule demands that
I don't wish to join in the general debate at this point as it's already
exploded in a hundred different directions, but would like to pick up one
small, irksome point...
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:41:31 +0100
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Please note who was complaining about the schedule, and wh
yo!
So jaimie, are you saying you wanna leave it as it is (even there's been some
points raised against the current struc) and sort it out after we know how
moany pithces are available next year? What if it's the same next year? do we
leave it again?
I love the 1h30 games in the A tour, but c
Jon,
Why should we reply to you privately? Are you really appointing yourself as
some sort of Tour Structure Tsar? Last year when the A-Tour format was
changed, it was to "the people's choice of structure", and yet 12 months
later people are complaining again!
How are people supposed to give
BD,
After some private emails I think I need to clarify where I am coming from
with my emails about Tour schedules etc.
Firstly I have nothing against Chris Hughes, he does a thankless task very
well. I do not blame Chris for any of the issues with scheduling.
I have spoken to Chris many times b
We had 17 pitches at the weekend, so if 8 are exclusively for the A Tour,
that means that 9 pitches were shared between 37 (?) teams all weekend, and
you are saying that more pitches wouldnt help?!?! It is easier to keep the
water bottles filled if youve got 8 pitches to worry about rather tha
Just a quick note re: what JP's said:
B tour teams are considerably more likely to miss a tour, which would
completely shaft the seedings for any format that didn't allow any team to
win. This problem is virtually non-existent on the a-tour. Similarly, with
rostering the way it is in the B-tour,
Jamie,
Sorry but you are wrong. The problem of consecutive games in the A tour is
entirely the fault of the format. The A tour has always had 8 pitches
available (the maximum you can use with 16 teams). Irrespective of there
being split tour venues or the number of pitches for joint venues the
con
Just to fill in details for comparison and add a simple solution to a
minor problem.
At Tour 2, Flyght Club 1 had 6 games of 45-60 minutes. I appreciate
this was due to the number of teams present not being enough to fill
all the pools but I would still have preferred 7 games if we are
paying the s
BD,
Following the general theme of improving the structure of the tour can
something be done to change the B tour structure?
First of all why do we insist on the insanity of restricting ourselves to
formats that allow any team to win? After Tour 1 there is no way that team
outside the top 8 let
I think the B tour this time around was 3 or 4 x 45mins + caps, then 3 x 60mins
+ caps.
Whilst I agree that this imbalance is not ideal, I think it has been discussed
a great deal around Tour 1 that there is only so much pitch time to be shared
around at each event this year. The facts are this
The problem is not the schedule.
The problem is the lack of tournament bids being offered to the UKUA each
year. (i'm looking forward to the bids from Manchester and Nottingham next
year, much better than travelling to Bristol or Colchester)
We will also have to be willing to pay more (£300 a
>
> Perhaps the DoC / UKU would like to get into next years
> strategy and leave this years scheduling to some of the
> scheduling wizards we have out there on Britdisc. Perhaps
> they are already working on this? Barry?
>
We are indeed. More details as soon as we can (prob sometime in June)
Maybe we could use this opportunity to address the imbalance in play time
between the A, B and women's Tours too. As described in previous posts to
Britdisc, the situation as it stands is not fair. At the moment:
A Tour (6 x 90 min) > B Tour (??) > Women's Tour (7 x 45-60 min)
I'd be happy with
Have we not already come up with all of the ideas to solve this problem?
It's been discussed on Britdisc and at the conference last year
I.e.
- Shorten the Tour season and timescale
- Have a paid DoC helper
- Announce the diary earlier. (NOW? Worlds dates are already set)
- Split A and B tour
We'
BD,
While were on the subject of improving the tour structure can we please have
more sensible cap rules for pool play. There were many problems in the B
tour this weekend with caps from the game before delaying the start of the
next game. At one point we had to wait half an hour to start our game
Stu,
As you state the solution to the problem of consecutive games is either
shorter games or fewer rounds (not necessarily fewer games).
Assume that we have 8 pitches for the A tour games. Also assume that games
can be played from 9:30-6:00 on the Saturday. We then have two choices for
the numbe
re shelter at tour 2
Hi
this is something i have looked into and i did purchase 4 gazebos for the far
pitches. However the level of wind at the weekend made these imposible to put
up as they would have just blown away possibly injuring people in the process,
please be aware though that we d
Further to Stu's email i can add LLL plight to this as we have have
played 3 saturday games on the trot at both T1 and T2. At Tour 1 we
effectively played from 8:30 till 15:30 as our last game went ino the
cap and to sudden death. At T2 we had a few more breaks but only
because we rolled over and d
Another small point to add to this,
Would it be possible for the UKU (or tournament organisers) to arrange some
kind of shelter pitch side to protect players from the elements (especially
for the pitches furthest away from the sports centre). The scheduling at
tour 2 meant that we only had one op
Thinking aloud:
The injuries caused when playing consecutive games are made worse due to
both the hot weather we have had at both tours and the lack of water at
pitch side. Having tried at Nationals 2 years ago to get water to all
pitches for the whole day I think that this is a real problem esp
Small point to add: the final should have an audience, its the final of a
national event... what does it say about the sport from an outsider point of
view to see a no one watching. Schedule the final in a slot of its own, this
will also allow new players to learn about the game at the highest s
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