Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread David M Shechner
Well, it's not exactly a solution that could be quickly implemented in the short term, but given the rise of open-source crystallography software, I wonder if modules could be written to let the viewer see 3D objects on a 2D display using "head tracking." You'd have to nod your head slightly ba

Re: [ccp4bb] His tag

2008-02-04 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Yangming, This topic has been discussed before - basically there are no easily discernable trends - some proteins crystallize better with a tag, others - without, and yet others - don't care whether the tag is there or not. I tend to try either, just to see what works better (time and effort permi

Re: [ccp4bb] His tag

2008-02-04 Thread Bostjan Kobe
Dear Yanming Lots of proteins have been crystallized with His-tags on. However, in general one would assume that a flexible tag could have a negative effect. I am not aware of a systematic comparison of crystallization of tagged and untagged proteins, but the following paper is relevant to this t

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2008-02-04 Thread Tim Gruene
Could you find out whether this error persists across different distributions? Would one solution be to use MIFit instead of xtalview? MIFit is the official successor of the now unsupported xtalview and as far as I know also available for free for academic users. Tim -- Tim Gruene Institut

[ccp4bb] His tag

2008-02-04 Thread Yanming Zhang
Hi All, Maybe, I should not have asked this question: Can anybody give me the hints (or point to the references) on the impact of His tag on crystallization experiments. In perticular: 1, With or without His tag, which one is better for crystallization? 2, If I successfully crystallized N-termi

Re: [ccp4bb] Question about strange MR solution

2008-02-04 Thread Marius Schmidt
Dear Michelle, this is not strange at all. You simply have a MR solution that refers to a different origin. You cannot display the original model plus the MR solution in the same coordinate system (with respect to the same origin). Of course they clash. Greetings Marius > Dear all, > > I refin

[ccp4bb] Question about strange MR solution

2008-02-04 Thread Michele Lunelli
Dear all, I refined a protein structure in the space group P6(1)22, with one copy in the asymmetric unit, resolution ~1.8 A, Rwork=0.20, Rfree=0.22. Then I tried to feed Phaser (version 1.3.3) with this structure. It found quickly a very prominent solution, but the first euler angle is 180 inst

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2008-02-04 Thread Marius Schmidt
Dear colleagues, someone out there who has installed XtalView with the new SUSE Linux 10.3. When launching Xfit, there is an error message xfit: xcb_io.c: _XAllocID: Assertion `!(dpy -> flags & etc. etc. when googeling for this error, it is well reported to occur for the newest Linux systems. Any

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread Sun Tang
Hi Ian, Thank you very much for your detailed information. I checked the effect of weighter term (wa) in CCP4i for the R/Rfree. When I used wa=0.01 , the value is 0.225/0.277 FOM =0.799. The values changed to 0.204/0.269 (FOM=0.806) for wa= 0.05, 0.195/0.268 (FOM=0.807) for wa=0.1 and

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread Sun Tang
Hi Anastassis, Thank you very much for your suggestions. I answered the questions as follows. I used NCS before rigid body refinement. After that I did not put NCS restraints in the restrained refinement and TLS+restrained refinement because it raised the R/Rfree quite a lot. The resolution is

[ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Dear Sun, If we take Ian's formula for the ratio of R(free) to R(work) from his paper Acta D56 (2000) 442-450 and make some reasonable approximations, we can reformulate it as: R(free)/R(work) = sqrt[(1+Q)/(1-Q)] with Q = 0.025pd^3(1-s) where s is the fractional solvent content, d is the reso

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Sun Tang Unfortunately there's no such thing as a fixed value for the maximum acceptable Rfree-Rwork difference that applies in all circumstances, because the 'normal' difference depends on a number of factors, mainly the observation/parameter ratio, which depends in turn on the resolution a

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread price
What is the resolution? Are you using ncs restraints (you probably should, on the coordinates but not on the Bs)? How does your Ramachandran plot look? You might tighten the geometry even more. Aside from all theoretical arguments about how big the rmsd's should be, if they're rather loose, t

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Hi - I don't think there is something necessarily wrong with the values you report. A few questions to see *if* something is wrong are: - as you wrote to Tim you have NCS: do you use NCS restraints ? - what is the resolution / B factor of the data ? - have the data been checked for twining ?

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread Sun Tang
Hi Tim, Thank you for your and information and suggestions. There are two indepdent molecules in the asymmetric unit and one molecule does not have very good density, especially in the N-terminus. Do you think that I should remove the region in the refinement? Best, Sun Tim Gruene <[EMAIL P

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread Tim Gruene
I would agree that the difference is suspiciously high. I. Tickle and others have published analytical expressions for how to estimate the ratio between R and Rfree, just google for "tickle rfree" to find the references. You easily achieve a large difference by adding too many waters which jus

Re: [ccp4bb] Still cannot read .mtz + another ?

2008-02-04 Thread C.Ainsley Davis
Peter and Miguel, thanks for the help with Refmac, it appears to be working correctly! still issues with PHASER though.. thanks a bunch! Ainsley P.J.Briggs wrote: Dear Ainsley I'm not sure which file you took from Garib's page, however the CCP4i "install" options (under the "System Administ

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Warren DeLano
Pedro, The DV920 works even with frame-sequential stereo, but with a native resolution of 640x480, they aren't useful for real work. Plus, they're not all that comfortable -- I returned them after a couple of week. According to the Vuzix rep I spoke to on the phone, we are still years away from

Re: [ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread Sun Tang
Hi Boaz, Thank you for your opinions. The resolution is 2.8A and I remembered some people may think the structure is over-refined when the difference between Rfree/Rwork is greater than 6. What do you think the greatest acceptable difference between the two? Best, Sun Boaz Shaanan <[EMAIL

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Pedro M. Matias
Hi, Jeroen The Vuzix VR920 should provide a cheap 3D stereo alternative to CRT monitors, because it contains two small LCD screens - if one displays a right eye view and the other a left eye view we'd have a situation similar to older display systems, with side-by-side stereo and a 3D viewer

[ccp4bb] an over refined structure

2008-02-04 Thread Sun Tang
Hello All, I refined a structure with Refmac in CCP4i and the R/Rfree is 0.215/0.277. The difference between R and Rfree is too much even though I used 0.01 for weighting term in the refinement (the default value is 0.3). The RMSD for bond length and bond angle is 0.016 A and 1.7 degree. What

Re: [ccp4bb] Still cannot read .mtz + another ?

2008-02-04 Thread Miguel Ortiz-LombardĂ­a
Don't know for the phaser problem, I had it once, but it was because I had phenix installed as well and I had set them both up in the same shell. That was something suggested already, so I guess it's not your problem. As for refmac: the tar.gz file you download from Garib's webpages is not a CCP4i

Re: [ccp4bb] Still cannot read .mtz + another ?

2008-02-04 Thread P.J.Briggs
Dear Ainsley I'm not sure which file you took from Garib's page, however the CCP4i "install" options (under the "System Administration" menu) are only for installing new interfaces and not for updating the programs themselves. I just took a look at the files on Garib's page, and downloaded the fi

[ccp4bb] Synchrotrons and Lasers for Structural Systems Biology

2008-02-04 Thread Victor Lamzin
We would like to announce the Symposium on "Synchrotrons and Lasers for Structural Systems Biology" to be held on 16th April 2008 at the premises of the EMBL/DESY in Hamburg, Germany. International experts in the field of the use of synchrotron radiation in biological research will present thei

[ccp4bb] Still cannot read .mtz + another ?

2008-02-04 Thread C.Ainsley Davis
Hey all I have checked everything that was mentioned here. I dont have PHENIX installed ( I am using the current version from http://diablo/ucsc.edu/~wgscott/debian/deb/ccp4/) I checked the setup file and its set to 1 Any other ideas? Next question I would like to install the newest versio

Re: [ccp4bb] WG: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Jeroen Mesters
Hi Gregor, I think this LCD monitor is not useful since the refresh rate is only 75 Hz, thus in stereo 2 x 37.5 Hz and that is going to give a big headache. I know Samsung is working on a 100 Hz LCD-TV. Nevertheless, the goal is not for stereo but to suppress the afterglow effects again. They tri

[ccp4bb] WG: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Gregor Witte
Hi all, I've just read about a cheap TFT-screen & 3D-glasses combination from "ZALMAN" (ZM-M220W 22" TFT with 2x 3D-glasses). I don't know if one can use with linux but the technical specs look like it's using the normal Nvidia driver. I think maybe the refresh-rate is either too low or the after

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Jeroen Mesters
Dear Pedro, there is no cheap solution for now, the 3D community has to wait for a few years more I think to be presented with a good stereo-capable LCD. The problem is not the refresh rate (as low as 5 ms nowadays) but it is the after glow effect... that is one of the reasons why LCDs provide a s

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread David J. Schuller
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 11:24 +, Andrew Raine wrote: > Are you implying that an appropriately written Xorg.conf can get the > graphics card to do this instead? The prospect is very appealing! > Regards, > Andrew That should be a piece of cake using the new (and still under development) "XRand

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Harry Powell
Okay, I was wrong. On two points... What I'd forgotten is that LCD displays produce polarized light (and so do TFT displays, for that matter), so you don't need a sheet of Polaroid to polarize the light from the vertical display. The half-silvered mirror is there (of course, I hear the cries)

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread P Hubbard
Hi all, There's a pretty good description of how it works, and how to make one yourself here: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=32547 I've never used one myself, and I personally feel that LCD stereo with a large f.o.v. on a single flat panel should be available soon (I think they j

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread esko . oksanen
Hi, We tested a Planar 17" stereo monitor a year or so ago on our Macs (with the image flipping card) and the problem was that although the stereo effect was nice, we had to use side-by-side and an extended desktop stereo in eg. PyMol to get the left and right eye images to the right moni

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Harry Powell
Hi Just looking at the diagrams, I don't think the glass is half-silvered - it looks like a large sheet of Polaroid™. It only needs to polarize the transmitted light from the vertically oriented monitor, since the reflected light from the interface between two materials (at least one of which

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread P Hubbard
Hi Andrew, Just like the commercial systems, the glass is the only special piece of kit (which can be bought separately). The LCD monitors are just set up to display either left or right channel. If you ask me, I think these companies are just a rip off! Paul > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:24:32

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Andrew Raine
P Hubbard wrote: Just an FYI you can build those yourself at a fraction of the price! You just need the special piece of glass, two identical LCD monitors, and an edited X config file. The clever bit of the Omnia system (and the similar one from Planar, which being from the US might be c

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread P Hubbard
Hi, Just an FYI you can build those yourself at a fraction of the price! You just need the special piece of glass, two identical LCD monitors, and an edited X config file. They are still bulky though! AGS > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:46:45 + > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [cc

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Pedro M. Matias
At USD 7000 it's not exactly the cheap solution I was looking for... At 10:46 04-02-2008, Andrew Raine wrote: Anastassis Perrakis wrote: While we are on the subject, does anyone in general have working in their labs a stereo-3D solution that does not require CRT monitors but works on LCD and

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Andrew Raine
Anastassis Perrakis wrote: While we are on the subject, does anyone in general have working in their labs a stereo-3D solution that does not require CRT monitors but works on LCD and preferably with Linux or OSX ? (any windows hints are welcome as well). Yes indeed. We have a 20" one of the

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Dear all - While we are on the subject, does anyone in general have working in their labs a stereo-3D solution that does not require CRT monitors but works on LCD and preferably with Linux or OSX ? (any windows hints are welcome as well). Tassos On Feb 4, 2008, at 10:12, Pedro M. Matias

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread P Hubbard
Hi, I've played around with the VR920 - and have used it with WinCoot using GlovePIE for head tracking. It's fun to fly round your protein but the screen judder(?) hurts your brain after a few minutes (low quality accelerometers?). There are people developing Linux drivers; you can contact the

[ccp4bb] 3D Glasses - Vuzix HMD by eDimensional

2008-02-04 Thread Pedro M. Matias
Dear Colleagues, I found out that eDimensional sells the Vuzix HMD 3D glasses, but their stereo drivers only work in windows. I suppose that they should also work under Linux with the Nvidia stereo drivers. However because we must pay by purchase order and bank transfer, they will not honor t