Re: [ccp4bb] raw data deposition

2011-10-27 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, October 27, 2011 09:30:20 am Jacob Keller wrote: One thing that the poll is useful for is something I find surprising: ~40% when I checked found storing images a waste of time. So, I guess this might be useful for finding the silent [significant] minority. Why not have those

Re: [ccp4bb] should the final model be refined against full datset

2011-10-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, October 14, 2011 02:45:08 pm Ed Pozharski wrote: On Fri, 2011-10-14 at 13:07 -0700, Nat Echols wrote: The benefit of including those extra 5% of data is always minimal And so is probably the benefit of excluding when all the steps that require cross-validation have already

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-12 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 01:12:11 pm Edward A. Berry wrote: Tim Gruene wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/11/2011 09:58 PM, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:33:09 pm Garib N Murshudov wrote: In the limit yes. however limit is when we

Re: [ccp4bb] off topic: Adobe demos deblur of photos...

2011-10-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:21:41 am Francis E Reyes wrote: http://hoowstuffworks.blogspot.com/2011/10/adobe-demos-amazing-unblur-feature.html Though I can't really see the image myself... the gasp of the audience is telling With respect to existing density modification programs, I

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:33:09 pm Garib N Murshudov wrote: In the limit yes. however limit is when we do not have solution, i.e. when model errors are very large. In the limit map coefficients will be 0 even for 2mFo-DFc maps. In refinement we have some model. At the moment we have

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On 10/11/11 12:58, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:33:09 pm Garib N Murshudov wrote: In the limit yes. however limit is when we do not have solution, i.e. when model errors are very large. In the limit map coefficients will be 0 even for 2mFo-DFc maps

Re: [ccp4bb] Linux vs MacOS for crystallographic software

2011-09-29 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:55:43 pm George M. Sheldrick wrote: I do all my program development on Linux and never liked Windows. However I recently attended two small-molecule crystallographic workshops where the large majority of the participants used exclusively Windows, and the ones

Re: [ccp4bb] Database of Known Medically-Relevant Mutations

2011-09-27 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:52:19 am Jacob Keller wrote: Dear Crystallographers, does anyone have a favorite site which lays out in a clear way all of the known medically-relevant or phenotype-changing mutations of a given protein and their phenotypes with references? Clear?

Re: [ccp4bb] Space Group Table

2011-09-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:16:53 am James Stroud wrote: Hello All, Is Table 6 of http://cci.lbl.gov/sginfo/hall_symbols.html the authoritative mapping of space group numbers to Hermann-Mauguin symbols (i.e., can we count on major software packages to honor this mapping if present

Re: [ccp4bb] scalepack--scale data in .sca format with original index

2011-09-02 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, September 02, 2011 08:56:03 am Jerry McCully wrote: Dear ALL; I am sorry for this HKL2000 scalepack question. To confirm the scape group using Pointless, I processed the images using HKL2000 but kept the original index using No merge original

Re: [ccp4bb] Trying to digest PISA results

2011-09-01 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, 31 August 2011, Jan Dohnalek wrote: Wasn't the original question directed to our (growing) feeling that many times PISA says No obvious oligomerization pattern but we already have evidence of dimer formation etc.. This should happen occasionally as the approach implied in the

Re: [ccp4bb] 64-bit CCP4

2011-09-01 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:02:50 am Ed Pozharski wrote: I am almost sure this has been addressed before, so you can go after me for insufficient googling. However, 1. Is there any *significant* advantage in using 64-bit CCP4 binaries (primarily speed)? 2. IIUC, the standard CCP4

Re: [ccp4bb] question about SIGF

2011-08-18 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, August 18, 2011 08:19:13 am G Y wrote: Dear all, I am a student in crystallography. So not quite familiar with some even basic concepts. In shelx .hkl file or ccp4 .mtz file there is a column SIGF which is related to standard deviation of the structure factor. I read through

[ccp4bb] Truncate style Wilson plot?

2011-08-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
Hi all, Can someone confirm what exactly is the difference between the Wilson plot estimated B factor and the truncate style Wilson plot estimated B factor output by ctruncate? Is it simply the difference between plotting the distribution of I before and after the French+Wilson Bayesian

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-10 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, 10 August 2011, Nian Huang wrote: I Agree with the idea of adding crystallographer reviewers. But accessing to data is not feasible unless there is a good way to protect authors. Disagree. The data supporting a paper's claims should always be made available to the reviewers.

Re: [ccp4bb] Mixed Iso/Aniso in refmac5

2011-08-04 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, 04 August 2011, Yuri Pompeu wrote: Hello everyone, How does refmac5 pick atoms for B-factor refinement, particularly with the mixed option enabled? In the MIX option, it simply keeps the atom treatment as it is given in the input file. Atoms with an ANISOU record are refined

Re: [ccp4bb] Trouble compiling ccp4 in osx: stalled at checking for working non-fixed mmap

2011-08-02 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, 02 August 2011, Peter Keller wrote: Dear list, On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 13:03 +0100, Clemens Vonrhein wrote: Dear Miguel, yes, I hit the same issue - and for me the machine then completely freezes and needs a reboot. I wrote this mmap test (back when VMS was still

Re: [ccp4bb] ARP/wARP install on 6.2.0 RHEL 6?

2011-07-27 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, 27 July 2011, you wrote: Hi Jonathan, seems to be a UW centered day today on the BB (Eric, Jan, you, me). Have the permissions changed ? I assume you are installing as root ? Wouldn't be surprised if Ethan replies soon :-) Sure. I hit the same problem trying to install Arp/wARP

Re: [ccp4bb] Modified residue list

2011-07-26 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:46:34 am Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.) wrote: Dear All, Is there a simple way (or already an existing list) to extract/parse from the heterodictionaries or monomer libraries which 3-letter symbols are actually modified standard amino acids (as compared to

Re: [ccp4bb] Intensity-Weighted Reciprocal Lattice

2011-07-26 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 01:59:32 pm Thomas White wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Michael Thompson mi...@chem.ucla.edu wrote: I would like to view the intensity-weighted reciprocal lattice for several data sets that I have collected. (The data have been indexed,

[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral position at the University of Washington - Seattle

2011-07-25 Thread Ethan Merritt
A postdoctoral position is available immediately in the group of Ethan Merritt at the University of Washington - Seattle. This project involves the structure-based design and development of drugs targeting disease caused by eukaryotic parasites. It combines crystal structure determination done

Re: [ccp4bb] output individual redundancies

2011-07-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, July 14, 2011 02:55:26 pm Ed Pozharski wrote: I am looking for a way to output redundancy per individual reflection, preferably for scala but if that is not possible then maybe for scalepack. If you read the unmerged file from scalepack into ccp4 using combat, it creates a data

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-06 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, July 06, 2011 09:46:14 am Jacob Keller wrote: Dear Crystallographers, it seems to me that for clearly identifying/characterising anomalous scatterers for a solved structure, one could make a map using two datasets: one at the f peak, one low energy remote. That would be an

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-06 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:36:20 am Jacob Keller wrote: That would be an approximation of the map it seems you actually want, which would use the F_A amplitude terms from MAD analysis together with your current model phases rather than the MAD phase estimates. You could, for example,

[ccp4bb] How to feed local structures to BALBES?

2011-06-22 Thread Ethan Merritt
I would like to provide BALBES a set of locally-generated models to use as MR probes. These files contain SEQRES records and an arbitrary CRYST1 record CRYST1 100.000 100.000 100.000 90.00 90.00 90.00 P 1 followed by the usual ATOM records. I created a subdirectory ./myprobes containing

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac problem with anisotropic Us

2011-06-10 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, June 10, 2011 12:33:10 pm Matthew Franklin wrote: Hi all - I seem to be encountering a problem with Refmac refinement of a structure containing anisotropic B factors. I have been using TLS refinement and individual anisotropic B refinement, which may not be correct technique,

Re: [ccp4bb] Very low resolution map.

2011-06-01 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, June 01, 2011 04:45:36 pm Pavel Afonine wrote: Hi Hailiang, to get feeling about how maps may look like at different resolutions do the following learning exercise: download a structure from PDB and compute Fcalc maps at different resolutions: phenix.fmodel model.pdb

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-23 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, May 23, 2011 01:17:45 pm Hailiang Zhang wrote: Thanks Nat! I am not doing real space refinement. Actually I am only using the maps for manual model building/adjustments. In this case, if some Rfree reflections have strong scattering intensities, removing them may lead to featureless

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-20 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, May 20, 2011 02:28:26 pm Mittal, Seema wrote: Hi All, I am currently working on a 3A resolution dataset. The scaled file shows the following statistics (scroll down to the end of this email). It is P212121 space group with R merge of 8.8%. Your data statistics look fine. In

Re: [ccp4bb] Thermal Ellipsoids pic

2011-05-09 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, May 09, 2011 12:50:48 pm Kenneth A. Satyshur wrote: YO! I am making thermal ellipsoid plots of a highly flexibile region of a chromophore using rastep and render from the raster3D package of Merritt el al. But I cannot control the orientation. It obscures the rest of the atoms

Re: [ccp4bb] Please help with Raster3D (linux version)

2011-05-03 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, May 03, 2011 02:00:26 pm jie liu wrote: Dear All I tried to make a stereo picture using Raster3D installed on a linux box with the following command: stereo3d -tiff xxx.tif xxx.r3d but got an error message: stereo3d: normal3d seems to be OK stereo3d: rendering left eye

Re: [ccp4bb] anisotropy vs TLS

2011-04-08 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, April 08, 2011, Jacob Keller wrote: Does anyone know what the record is for most reflections per atom? It goes up as high as 300 reflections per modelled atom in some virus structures modelled with strict NCS. There's one outlier in the current PDB set with 1000 refls/atom. I

Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-04-03 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Sunday, April 03, 2011, Jacob Keller wrote: To the delete-the-atom-nik's: do you propose deleting the whole residue or just the side chain? Omit the atoms beyond CB for which there is no apparent density. Always place CB if the backbone trace is reasonable, because its location is fixed a

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix library issues

2011-04-01 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, April 01, 2011 01:51:31 pm Tim Gruene wrote: Subsequently I attempted to improve the result using phenix.calzone [3]. This program comes in both Chicago and New York localizations. Do you know which one you have? Unfortunately this program crashed because of a missing

Re: [ccp4bb] The meaning of B-factor, was Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-03-31 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:05:22 am Hailiang Zhang wrote: Dear Zbyszek: Thanks a lot for your good summary. It is very interesting but, do you think there are some references for more detailed description, especially from mathematics point of view about correlating B-factor to the

Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-03-30 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, March 30, 2011 08:29:11 am Phoebe Rice wrote: I've now polled 4 fairly savvy end users of crystal structures and there seems to be a consensus: - they all know what B is and how to look for regions of high B (with, say, pymol) and they know not to make firm conclusions about

Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-03-30 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:04:30 am James Holton wrote: perhaps a better name for the disordered side chain problem would be dark density? This name would place it properly amongst dark matter, dark energy and other fudge factors introduced to try and explain why our standard model is

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with refinement and positive electron density

2011-03-03 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, March 03, 2011 05:10:02 am Judith Reeks wrote: Dear Eleanor, I don't think that was the case. I add tlsd waters exclude to a refinement which as I understand it should prevent that. Also, I checked the output files and the TLS groups only involve my protein, waters and

Re: [ccp4bb] linux flavors

2011-02-22 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:16 AM, David Roberts drobe...@depauw.edu wrote: Hello all, Quick question on linux varieties. For years (and years) I have used fedora (after Ultrix of course). In fact, most of my computers are running FC7 (that long ago), it's very stable and works fine.

Re: [ccp4bb] Ken Olsen, Founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, Died Sunday

2011-02-09 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:47:04 pm Dale Tronrud wrote: I see in the news that Ken Olsen has died. Although he was not a crystallographer I think we should stop for a moment to remember the profound impact the company that this man founded had on our field. My first

[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral position at the University of Washington - Seattle

2011-02-08 Thread Ethan Merritt
A postdoctoral position is available in the group of Ethan Merritt to work on the structure-based design and development of drugs targeting disease caused by eukaryotic parasites. This project combines crystal structure determination done in the Merritt Lab with synthetic chemistry and biological

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb formats

2010-12-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, December 14, 2010 09:05:04 am Kelly Daughtry wrote: Notepad++ is a free windows text editor that recognizes the line breaks, and does a multitude of other functions. http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ It's not relevant to editing PDB files, but be warned that neither notepad nor

Re: [ccp4bb] Low B-factors

2010-11-23 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, November 23, 2010, Paula Salgado wrote: Dear all I'm refining a 33kDa protein model and I have noticed that although all other statistics seem fine, B factor values are quite low, What is the resolution? What is the Wilson B? with many around 7-10A2 and average overall

Re: [ccp4bb] Low B-factors

2010-11-23 Thread Ethan Merritt
was being extra careful. Paula On 23 November 2010 19:27, Ethan Merritt merr...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Tuesday, November 23, 2010, Paula Salgado wrote: Dear all I'm refining a 33kDa protein model and I have noticed that although all other statistics seem fine, B factor

Re: [ccp4bb] per-residue RMSD calculation for homologous structure

2010-11-19 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, November 19, 2010 02:55:54 pm Srivastava, Dhiraj (MU-Student) wrote: Hi All does anyone know any software that can calculate and print out RMSD of every residue (c alpha will be good) for homologous structures which has only 30-40 % sequence similarity? I looked on the web

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Publication Data Formats

2010-11-17 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, November 17, 2010 01:42:40 am James Stroud wrote: I did a 5 minute search for an example, and the best I could do with the patience I had was this: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pmic.200700038/suppinfo You'll see in the available PDF file Tables S1-S3. Were I

Re: [ccp4bb] [RANT] Publication Data Formats

2010-11-16 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, November 16, 2010, James Stroud wrote: I was reading the PNAS author guidelines and I came across this gem: Datasets: Supply Excel (.xls), RTF, or PDF files. This file type will be published in raw format and will not be edited or composed. Did I read those last two file

Re: [ccp4bb] Free R with doubled cell edge

2010-10-30 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Saturday, October 30, 2010, Boaz Shaanan wrote: Hi, I'm not sure why you want to carry the free R reflections from the small cell to the new cell. If it's the model bias vis-a vis the reflections participating the refinement that you want to get rid of you can take another route, I

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange spots

2010-10-29 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday, October 29, 2010 12:59:40 pm Jacob Keller wrote: Yes, but the question is what in real space gives rise to reciprocal-space frog spawn? (Frogs, I guess?) You may laugh, but the Google finds hits on the topic here:

Re: [ccp4bb] Against Method (R)

2010-10-28 Thread Ethan Merritt
Bart Hazes wrote There are many cases where people use a structure refined at high resolution as a starting molecular replacement structure for a closely related/same protein with a lower resolution data set and get substantially better R statistics than you would expect for that

Re: [ccp4bb] Against Method (R)

2010-10-26 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, October 26, 2010 09:46:46 am Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.) wrote: Hi Folks, Please allow me a few biased reflections/opinions on the numeRology of the R-value (not R-factor, because it is neither a factor itself nor does it factor in anything but ill-posed reviewer's

Re: [ccp4bb] Against Method (R)

2010-10-26 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, October 26, 2010 01:16:58 pm Frank von Delft wrote: Um... * Given that the weighted Rfactor is weighted by the measurement errors (1/sig^2) * and given that the errors in our measurements apparently have no bearing whatsoever on the errors in our models (for

Re: [ccp4bb] Against Method (R)

2010-10-26 Thread Ethan Merritt
, Ethan Merritt merr...@u.washington.eduwrote: On Tuesday, October 26, 2010 01:16:58 pm Frank von Delft wrote: Um... * Given that the weighted Rfactor is weighted by the measurement errors (1/sig^2) * and given that the errors in our measurements apparently have no bearing

Re: [ccp4bb] diverging Rcryst and Rfree

2010-10-25 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, October 25, 2010 03:16:28 pm Maia Cherney wrote: I had a similar problem. It dissappeared when I switched the refinement to phenix. The R factors dropped and the difference between them became acceptable. It would be useful to pin down what the two programs did differently.

Re: [ccp4bb] Babinet solvent correction [WAS: R-free flag problem]

2010-10-22 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Ed Pozharski epozh...@umaryland.eduwrote: Ethan pointed out to me that Babinet-principle based solvent correction is not always inferior to mask-based approach. On Friday, October 22, 2010 11:17:53 am Pavel Afonine wrote: Hi Ed, may be not always (in a

Re: [ccp4bb] Regarding space group P1, P21

2010-10-21 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:38:55 am Jacob Keller wrote: if the data really looks like P21-- what are the criteria for that? This is a straightforward statistical question. In testing for a possible 2-fold, you want to know: Do two random reflections related by the putative 2-fold

Re: [ccp4bb] vector and scalars

2010-10-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, October 14, 2010 09:11:50 am James Holton wrote: As I sit here listening to the giant whoosh sound of all the world's biologists unsubscribing from the CCP4BB, I wonder if anyone on this thread can explain to me the difference between a matrix and a tensor? In invoking the

Re: [ccp4bb] embarrassingly simple MAD phasing question (another)

2010-10-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:41:17 am Lijun Liu wrote: Power on scattering by atoms is angle dependent, which is true for both the real and imaginary parts. Actually, no. The f' and f terms are independent of scattering angle, at least to first approximation. This is why the signal from

Re: [ccp4bb] [QUAR] Re: [ccp4bb] embarrassingly simple MAD phasing question (another)

2010-10-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/AS_signal.html Lijun On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:41:17 am Lijun Liu wrote: Power on scattering by atoms is angle dependent, which is true for both the real and imaginary parts. Actually

Re: [ccp4bb] [QUAR] Re: [ccp4bb] embarrassingly simple MAD phasing question (another)

2010-10-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, October 14, 2010 01:18:04 pm Bart Hazes wrote: On 10-10-14 01:34 PM, Ethan Merritt wrote: ... The contribution from normal scattering, f0, is strong at low resolution but becomes weaker as the scattering angle increases. The contribution from anomalous scattering, f

Re: [ccp4bb] [QUAR] Re: [ccp4bb] embarrassingly simple MAD phasing question (another)

2010-10-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday, October 14, 2010 02:28:26 pm Jacob Keller wrote: I have always found this angle independence difficult. Why, if the anomalous scattering is truly angle-independent, don't we just put the detector at 90 or 180deg and solve the HA substructure by Patterson or direct methods using

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac TLS plus experimental phase refinement failed

2010-10-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, October 11, 2010 11:01:10 am Christian Roth wrote: Dear all, I want refine my model using TLS plus phase information from experimental phases. I used the TLSMD server to generate the initial tls parameters and started Refmac I don't know exactly what has gone wrong. Let's

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac TLS plus experimental phase refinement failed

2010-10-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
Ethan Merritt: On Monday, October 11, 2010 11:01:10 am Christian Roth wrote: Dear all, I want refine my model using TLS plus phase information from experimental phases. I used the TLSMD server to generate the initial tls parameters and started Refmac I don't know exactly what

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac TLS plus experimental phase refinement failed

2010-10-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, October 11, 2010 12:31:13 pm Pavel Afonine wrote: Hi Ethan, So far as I know, there is still no provision in phenix for reading in existing TLS parameters. It always wants to regenerate them for itself. You are right, given suggested optimal selection for TLS groups

Re: [ccp4bb] Lousy diffraction at home but fantastic at the synchrotron?

2010-09-28 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 28 September 2010 10:27:17 am Francis E Reyes wrote: Hi all I'm interested in the scenario where crystals were screened at home and gave lousy (say 8-10A) but when illuminated with synchrotron radiation gave reasonable diffraction ( 3A) ? Why the discrepancy? Such a happy

Re: [ccp4bb] Whither pymol?

2010-09-21 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 21 September 2010, William G. Scott wrote: Hi Citizens: I have an invoice for a PyMol academic 3 year subscription through March 31, 2011, invoice #2794. When I enter my subscription access credentials into the pymol.org web server, nothing happens. The source code is no

Re: [ccp4bb] Deposition of riding H: R-factor is overrated

2010-09-18 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Saturday 18 September 2010, Nicholas M Glykos wrote: snip it seems that we are trying to deposit one model to satisfy two different purposes - one for model validation and the other for model interpretation (use in docking etc), and what's good for one purpose might not be

Re: [ccp4bb] Deposition of riding H: R-factor is overrated

2010-09-16 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 16 September 2010 01:25:12 am Dirk Kostrewa wrote: so, wouldn't be the deposition of the final model's Fcalc, Phic (and their weights) along with the final coordinates be the best solution? The final Fcalc are our best model and can be used to reproduce the final statistics

Re: [ccp4bb] Deposition of riding H: R-factor is overrated

2010-09-16 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 16 September 2010 09:56:14 am Dr. Mark Mayer wrote: Ethan wrote I believe that deposition of Fc Phic FOM should be required. Certainly it should be the recommended practice. For the same series of structures I just deposited, which started the the riding H discussion, my

Re: [ccp4bb] Deposition of riding H: R-factor is overrated

2010-09-16 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 16 September 2010 10:34:14 am Dr. Mark Mayer wrote: Huh? That's not a cif fragment. What file are you looking at? In my experience the PDB feeds back to you a cif format structure factor file with a name like rcsb054058-sf.cif Near the top of that file you should find a

Re: [ccp4bb] Deposition of riding H

2010-09-15 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 15 September 2010, Pavel Afonine wrote: - if you refined your structure with H, then you should deposit it with H, as your refinement software outputs it As I see it, refining your structure in the presence of riding hydrogens is not the same thing as refining hydrogen positions

Re: [ccp4bb] History of TLS [was: Deposition of riding H]

2010-09-15 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 15 September 2010 12:34:21 pm Pavel Afonine wrote: Dear George, a small correction if I may: However you will not find TLS in the index, because the credit for implementing this very useful concept should be given to Martin Winn, Garib and Ethan, long after the current

Re: [ccp4bb] Deposition of riding H

2010-09-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 14 September 2010 10:34:00 am Dr. Mark Mayer wrote: Here's one for the community, which I'll post to both Phenix and CCP4 BBs. Where does the crystallographic community stand on deposition of coordinates with riding hydrogens? I do not favor depositing riding hydrogen

Re: [ccp4bb] Deposition of riding H

2010-09-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 14 September 2010 12:44:37 pm Pavel Afonine wrote: Hi Ethan, I do not favor depositing riding hydrogen coordinates for the same reason that I do not like the recent PDB preference for depositing ANISOU records for structures that have been refined with TLS. In both

Re: [ccp4bb] Can CCP4 refine B factors for several residues only?

2010-08-27 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday 27 August 2010, Frank von Delft wrote: The requirement sounds extremely suspect: every atom in the structure contributes to every reflection, so refining only some atoms makes as little mathematical sense as refining against only a subset of reflections. I agree with you that

Re: [ccp4bb] Can CCP4 refine B factors for several residues only?

2010-08-27 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday 27 August 2010, Frank von Delft wrote: I'm sorry, I can't simply drop this thread, not when it keeps ignoring the physics of diffraction: In order to attempt any (rigorous) scientific conclusions from a structure, one needs the best model, the one that's converged against the

Re: [ccp4bb] Can CCP4 refine B factors for several residues only?

2010-08-26 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 26 August 2010 11:56:39 am Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi, I want to refine B factors for several residues only (all the other B factors and all coordinates fixed, I know it sounds weird but there is a reason to try that). Maybe you could tell us what this reason is? Is there

Re: [ccp4bb] Can some utilities of CCP4 do the real-space refinement locally with the residue range explicitly specified?

2010-08-25 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 25 August 2010 03:19:53 pm zhan...@umbc.edu wrote: I mean the density of 2mFo-DFc or Fc maps. I still don't understand. Real space refinement will minimize a fit of model to density in whatever map you give it. It's up to you which coefficients are used to calculate the map you

Re: [ccp4bb] atomic B factors

2010-08-20 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday 20 August 2010 08:53:23 am Eleanor Dodson wrote: That must be a bug.. 2.00 is the lowest value permitted . Possble causes: You have very low resolution data, and the overall B value is badly estimated (not very common) common cause: you have done TLS refinement which reports

Re: [ccp4bb] anisotropic Bs

2010-08-10 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 10 August 2010 10:30:17 am Sue Roberts wrote: Hello Everyone There's probably an easy way to do this, but I haven't found it. I've refined a 1.1 A structure with refmac and want to inspect the thermal ellipsoids. Specifically I want to know if any of them are non-positive

Re: [ccp4bb] Fw:

2010-08-09 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday 09 August 2010, Tim Gruene wrote: Dear Rex, I am not sure what exactly you are looking for, but why don't you start with the Refmac documentation? Item 3 probably corresponds to a single TLS group in refmac. That is not quite correct. An overall anisotropic B term is

Re: [ccp4bb] Force UC size in HKL2000

2010-08-06 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday 06 August 2010 01:32:47 pm Ben Flath wrote: Hi all I believe I have near perfect pseudo translation; alternating strong and weak reflections however the weak reflections are barely visible at low res and invisible to higher res. HKL2000 will only index using strong reflections

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with splitting nucleotides into multiple TLS groups in REFMAC

2010-07-15 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 15 July 2010, Huw Jenkins wrote: Hi, I am currently refining some reasonably high (1.4-1.6 Å) resolution protein:RNA complex structures and was trying the approach described in Schwartz et al. Nat. Struct. Biol. 8 (2001) 761-765 where they divided each nucleotide into three

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with splitting nucleotides into multiple TLS groups in REFMAC

2010-07-15 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 15 July 2010 09:18:33 am Huw Jenkins wrote: On 15 Jul 2010, at 17:06, Ethan Merritt wrote: My gut feeling is that the best TLS description would be each base (or base pair) in its own group, then use TLSMD to analyse and assign groups for the backbone atoms. But again I

Re: [ccp4bb] Introducing PDBprints - salient, at-a-glance info about PDB entries

2010-07-15 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 15 July 2010 11:33:30 am Dunten, Pete W. wrote: I like the species icon for 2cbr, human crabp in your list http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard/structures_pdbprints.html. Is it something from Greek mythology? Ah yes, the minotaur genome project. I like the species icons to some extent,

Re: [ccp4bb] Twin questions: is my crystals twinned or not?

2010-07-08 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 08 July 2010 11:03:30 am Parthasarathy Sampathkumar wrote: Dear All, Back ground: This is my first experience with a twined dataset. Crystals belong to a small domain of 132 aa, out of which ~40 residues appears to be disordered (~30 of those from C-terminal and C-term His6

Re: [ccp4bb] attachments

2010-07-02 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday 02 July 2010 09:54:13 am Frederic VELLIEUX wrote: Which own web page??? I don't have an own web page from my internet provider, there is one at work (not everyone at work has a such web page, in my case dedicated to PX), in order to get something added to that web page I have to

Re: [ccp4bb] attachments

2010-07-02 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday 02 July 2010 10:01:15 am Ethan Merritt wrote: On Friday 02 July 2010 09:54:13 am Frederic VELLIEUX wrote: Which own web page??? I don't have an own web page from my internet provider, there is one at work (not everyone at work has a such web page, in my case dedicated to PX

Re: [ccp4bb] TLS refinement in phenix

2010-06-30 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 11:15:51 am Pavel Afonine wrote: Just a remark/precaution: if you remove ANISOU records then you will basically invalidate the refinement results (the refined model). If that is true then I would say there is a deeper problem. The description of the TLS groups in the

Re: [ccp4bb] TLS refinement in phenix

2010-06-30 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 11:57:45 am Pavel Afonine wrote: Hi Ethan, On 6/30/10 11:43 AM, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Wednesday 30 June 2010 11:15:51 am Pavel Afonine wrote: Just a remark/precaution: if you remove ANISOU records then you will basically invalidate the refinement results

Re: [ccp4bb] Compilation of CNS 1.21 on Mac OSX 10.6.3

2010-06-09 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 09 June 2010 10:45:07 am James Holton wrote: I have often wondered how it is that one can actually run and play games like Pac-Man(R) on a modern PC using the actual bit-for-bit contents of the EPROM cartridges that I used to put into my Atari 2600 (circa 1982), but for some

Re: [ccp4bb] How large should the real space correlation coefficient be?

2010-05-25 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 25 May 2010, Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi, Have seen the real-space correlation used widely judging the map quality. Generally or empirically, in order to say an map (area) has good quality, how large should the real space correlation coefficient be? I do not think that the real

Re: [ccp4bb] TLSANL total B factor question

2010-05-20 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 20 May 2010, Shiva Kumar wrote: Dear Crystallographers I am trying to print out my total B factors using TLSANL (version: 6.1) in CCP4- 6.1.1. My TLSANL’s input file.pdb is coming from refmac (version: 5.5.0072) using the TLS restraint refinement option and isotropic B

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-05 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 05 May 2010 12:49:34 am Jon Wright wrote: I've been curious about this unit cell constant mis-matching for a while. If I understood well, Perutz tried to exploit the effect for phasing prior to heavy atom methods. As the unit cell changes, the diffraction peaks move,

[ccp4bb] YATQ (yet another twinning question) - may involve pirates

2010-04-23 Thread Ethan Merritt
In a nutshell = Is there a way to make solve/resolve behave reasonably if the data is twinned? Is there a recommended alternative path to clean up and maybe even auto-trace a map with 4-fold NCS but twinned data? Maybe Pirate/Buccaneer? In detail = I'm fighting

[ccp4bb] Don't understand output of refmac with tlso addu option

2010-03-08 Thread Ethan Merritt
I'm trying to come to grips with the recent PDB policy for depositing files which have the TLS model expanded out into individual ANISOU records. Up until now I've been using tlsextract/tlsanl to prepare such files, but now I've just tried using the new refmac option TLSO ADDU and I'm confused.

Re: [ccp4bb] Don't understand output of refmac with tlso addu option

2010-03-08 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday 08 March 2010 09:28:15 Ethan Merritt wrote: I'm trying to come to grips with the recent PDB policy for depositing files which have the TLS model expanded out into individual ANISOU records. Up until now I've been using tlsextract/tlsanl to prepare such files, but now I've just tried

Re: [ccp4bb] Post-translational modification induced strcture

2010-03-04 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Thursday 04 March 2010 02:45:20 Miles Pufall wrote: Dear All - Does anyone have some good examples where a post-translational modification has induced local structure? I'm particularly thinking of structure induced by the modification only and not something multi-step like a

Re: [ccp4bb] Deposition of a BUSTER refined structure

2010-03-02 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 07:09:47 Melanie Vollmar wrote: Hi all I did my first deposition of a BUSTER refined structure and I was very surprised when I was asked for an estimated error of free R value and estimated error of bin free R value as well an ESD based on Luzzati Plot during

Re: [ccp4bb] units of f0, f', f''

2010-03-01 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday 01 March 2010, Ian Tickle wrote: Dear Gerard I would certainly agree that in general, provided one takes sufficient care over dimensions and units, paradoxes can never appear. However, in this particular case I was pointing out the dimensionality error of writing equations such

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