Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-29 Thread jacques-philippe colletier
Dear All Thank you all a lot for your answers, and sorry for the trouble that my question has generated. Gerard B. : Thanks a lot to you and your colleagues for releasing, in the forthcoming time, an OSX version of BUSTER-TNT. Best from LA Jacques 2008/10/28 Pete Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-28 Thread Pete Meyer
Gerard, Thank you very much for clearing that up. It's always good to hear that there's one less things I need to worry about. Pete Gerard Bricogne wrote: > Dear Pete, > > Thank you for your message. I can confirm that you need not worry about > this clause: it is meant to prohibit the ag

[ccp4bb] Comparison of Integration Programs (was: Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?)

2008-10-28 Thread Winter, G (Graeme)
Hi Folks, The idea of comparing different data reduction packages is an interesting one. It is not however without challenges as alluded to by Kay. As far as I can see there are two main challenges - the first is that different users when given the same tools will do different things - in challeng

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-28 Thread Kay Diederichs
Clemens Vonrhein schrieb: ... A nice task would be to compare different integration/scaling packages at various stages: for finding the sites e.g. in SHELXD and separately (using known sites) for giving best phases e.g. in SHARP. there could be differences. Yes, maybe it is finally time to get

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-28 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Dear Juergen, On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:37:15AM -0700, Juergen Bosch wrote: > we've been comparing various programs during our SGPP times (that was about > 2 years ago) Sharp, Shelx, bp3, mlphare, SnB (BnP). If I remember it > correctly at that time Sharp was the winner, although the site findi

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Pete, Thank you for your message. I can confirm that you need not worry about this clause: it is meant to prohibit the aggressive use of code decompilers with the intention of stealing the content of the source code. What you have described in your hypothetical example is nothing of the

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Van Den Berg, Bert
>On a side note we also looked at HKL, Mosflm, XDS processing of data, >we observed differences in the ability of e.g. Shelx to locate SeMet >sites depending on the processing program you used. Of course perfect >data was undistinguishable, but some datasets which were more tricky >to process s

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Juergen Bosch
@all, we've been comparing various programs during our SGPP times (that was about 2 years ago) Sharp, Shelx, bp3, mlphare, SnB (BnP). If I remember it correctly at that time Sharp was the winner, although the site finding was the major bottleneck/problem. What we ended doing was finding s

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Warren DeLano
lletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Stroud Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:03 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ? Yikes! Apologies if that was over the top. I guess the chisanbop comment did not properly convey the hyperbole, and hence humor,

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Dear Pete, just my personal view on this (so don't take this as a legal expertise regarding our SHARP licence). I don't have any problems with people comparing software programs - I do that all the time. I doubt this can be seen as reverse engineering. The tricky part comes when comparisons are b

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Pete Meyer
Apologies for going slightly further off-topic... Last time I had a free half-day to look into sharp, I noticed that the academic license prohibits reverse-engineering. This seemed to put any comparative testing into a slightly grey area. For example, if I find that sharp does the best job refin

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Jacques-Philippe, Sorry to have been distracted into responding to comments on your question rather than answering your question itself. We will shortly be announcing an academic release of a new version of BUSTER-TNT, which contains several major improvements over the previous one

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear James, Thank you for your reply. Again, I invite you to share with us the details of the problems you encountered, through the appropriate mailing list at Global Phasing. I failed, however, to see either humour or constructiveness in your claim that we were "just trying to make a b

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread James Stroud
Yikes! Apologies if that was over the top. I guess the chisanbop comment did not properly convey the hyperbole, and hence humor, I was trying to achieve. Hopefully my comments can still be taken as the constructive criticism they were intended to be. James On Oct 26, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Ge

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Phil Evans
I would like to add my comments that Sharp & autoSharp are great programs that produce excellent phases, and that installation isn't too hard (even though the whole setup does seem unnecessarily complicated :-) ) I would also like to say that the Global Phasing people, in particular Cleme

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-27 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Dear Bill,, On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 07:18:05PM -0700, William G. Scott wrote: > I'm actually one of those whom has struggled unsuccessfully to install > Sharp. I can't even remember why, and I am certain it was entirely my > fault, but this did get me wondering... I guess this is often a more

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-26 Thread James Whisstock
I heartily agree with Ash and Gerald - Autosharp (which we routinely use for experimental phasing) is free for academics and in my opinion is an outstanding package. Further, we have always found the people at Global Phasing are always extremely helpful with all sorts of phasing questions not

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-26 Thread William G. Scott
Dear Gerard et al: I'm actually one of those whom has struggled unsuccessfully to install Sharp. I can't even remember why, and I am certain it was entirely my fault, but this did get me wondering... mlphare and MIR/MAD phasing seems to me the weak point in the ccp4 distribution. (I've o

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-26 Thread Ashley Buckle
Having solved a few structures using AutoSHARP, I feel compelled to comment on the CCP4BB that I really like the software, never had a major problem installing or using it, feel extremely grateful to the guys at Global Phasing for making this available to us all, and for (in my case at le

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-26 Thread Robert Sweet
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ? The info at http://www.globalphasing.com/buster/installation/index.html#requirements will give you some hints about whether it will be successful on OS X. As per the Global Phasing modus operandi, any instruction involving installation of

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-26 Thread Artem Evdokimov
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ? The info at http://www.globalphasing.com/buster/installation/index.html#requirements will give you some hints about whether it will be successful on OS X. As per the Global Phasing modus operandi, any instruction involving installation of their

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-26 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear James, I am rather surprised and disappointed to find such an intemperate, ill-judged and almost slanderous statement from you, especially in a posting to a bulletin board that is intended for the sharing of experience and good will and to which you have been such a regular and valued c

Re: [ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-26 Thread James Stroud
The info at http://www.globalphasing.com/buster/installation/index.html#requirements will give you some hints about whether it will be successful on OS X. As per the Global Phasing modus operandi, any instruction involving installation of their software is muddled in riddle and ambiguity.

[ccp4bb] buster-tnt on OSX ?

2008-10-26 Thread jacques-philippe colletier
Hi everydoby, I`d like to know if there is a version of BUSTER-TNT available on MacOSX ? Anyone knows ? * Dr. Jacques-Philippe Colletier UCLA / DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics 90095 Los Angeles, CA, USA