Re: [ccp4bb] what to do with disordered side chains

2011-04-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
it to be generated and represented in an unambiguous and minimally confusing fashion. I wouldn't be happy having to add imaginary atoms to my models, but the representation meets my criteria, and I think it meets yours too. Dale Tronrud JPK On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Dale Tronruddet

Re: [ccp4bb] Lattice sampling and resolution - a seeming paradox?

2011-04-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
are: Calculating structure factors (Fcalc) from a model electron density map. Calculating gradients using the Agarwal method. Phase extension via ncs map averaging (including cross-crystal averaging). Phase extension via solvent flattening (depending on how you do it). Thank you for your time, Dale

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
the overall rms to be low even if the rms calculated over the protein is the same. Dale Tronrud course, crystals with a high solvent content tend to diffract poorly and if the solvent is not featureless, this will not work either. If you get high Rfree values for a structure with high solvent content, I

Re: [ccp4bb] Problems in refinement

2011-05-27 Thread Dale Tronrud
. If you have refined a model with space group P1 in Refmac I suggest you download the new version and see if your stats improve. Dale Tronrud On 5/27/2011 3:29 AM, Petr Kolenko wrote: Dear colleagues, Q2 is solved by new installation of Refmac. Many thanks for your time and effort. I

Re: [ccp4bb] how to estimate bond length error from crystal structure

2011-06-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
If you have atomic resolution data you could use shelxl to invert the least-squares matrix and calculate standard uncertainties for all the bond lengths and angles. Dale Tronrud On 06/15/11 07:57, Tian-Min Fu wrote: Dear friends, A zinc atom is located in the active center of my

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
by the Validation Task Force should cause a model like this to pop out clearly. Even the old tools show this model is quite unreliable. We just have to use them. Dale Tronrud On 08/10/11 14:35, Jacob Keller wrote: On the surface it doesn't seem as bad as others, i.e., it does not seem

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
Oops! My bond length rmsd was 0.106 not 0.160 A. Still unacceptable but not quite as bad. Sorry, Dale Tronrud On 08/10/11 15:45, Dale Tronrud wrote: I've made a quick look at the model and the paper - and it doesn't need more than a quick look. The description of the model

Re: [ccp4bb] BAVERAGE and anisotropic refinement

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
where the average B factor of the solvent wasn't higher than the protein. Dale Tronrud On 08/11/11 07:10, David Schuller wrote: At the request of reviewers, I worked up the average B factor for some structures using CCP4 programme BAVERAGE. Here's one example: Protein33.1 Solvent53.9

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
would be an apo form and probably of little interest. This is a good case for an obsolete without replacement. I should note that, while the paper has been retracted, I see no indication that the entry 2QNS has been obsoleted. Perhaps that update is still in the pipeline. Dale Tronrud On 08/11

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
. Apparently some people don't know what features to look for to distinguish between signal and noise. Dale Tronrud On 08/11/11 09:40, Diana Tomchick wrote: A quick glance at the header of the PDB file shows that there is one glaring discrepancy between it and the table in the paper that hasn't been

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
that desperately needs an answer. Dale Tronrud On 08/11/11 13:33, Maia Cherney wrote: As the macromolecular crystallography becomes more automated and user-friendly many biologists learn to solve structures and they can make mistakes. Besides, new data become available that can give new ideas

Re: [ccp4bb] Modeling ligands in binding pockets when the density is weak.

2011-08-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
on the vial. In addition I've had cases where bits were cleaved from the compound at some point before binding. Sometimes you can't see it because it simply isn't there. Dale Tronrud On 08/24/11 01:02, herman.schreu...@sanofi-aventis.com wrote: Dear Francis, Although I am a member of the never

Re: [ccp4bb] Closed density map

2011-08-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
have been very convincing to have convinced even you. If the density in that map bleeds a little into the protein density, so be it. That is not important. Dale Tronrud On 08/26/11 07:44, RONG hui Rong wrote: Dear all, Do you know how to generate some closed density map (mesh) that can

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 10/11/11 12:58, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:33:09 pm Garib N Murshudov wrote: In the limit yes. however limit is when we do not have solution, i.e. when model errors are very large. In the limit map coefficients will be 0 even for 2mFo-DFc maps. In refinement we

Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae.. 1.95A, different phase

2011-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
is the same. Dale Tronrud On 11/21/11 14:47, Michael Thompson wrote: - Forwarded Message - From: Michael Thompson mi...@chem.ucla.edu To: e dodson e.dod...@ysbl.york.ac.uk Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:30:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
of motion. Dale Tronrud On 11/21/11 14:52, Filip Van Petegem wrote: Hello Jacob, that's correct, I'm only looking at the mathematical significance, not the biological one. I follow the same reasoning - it is highly improbably for all atoms to be skewed in the same direction. In a case I'm

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-06 Thread Dale Tronrud
James Holton has software for calculating molecule transform images. Check out http://bl831.als.lbl.gov/~jamesh/nearBragg/. The program doesn't read PDB format coordinates, just lists of three numbers. Dale Tronrud On 01/06/12 09:44, Jacob Keller wrote: Actually, as a way to make this type

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-13 Thread Dale Tronrud
component corresponds to the longest Patterson vector or, in other words, the diameter of the object! The bigger the object, the higher the highest frequency of the scattergram, and the smaller its features. Dale Tronrud JPK On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Yuri Pompeu yuri.pom...@ufl.edu

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-13 Thread Dale Tronrud
vectors as short ones, but the distribution depends on the exact shape of your object. Once you have a Patterson map that has an isolated edge (no cross-vectors) back calculating the original object is pretty easy. (Miao, et al, Annu. Rev. Phys. Chem. 2008, 59:387-410) Dale Tronrud On 01/13/12 10:54

Re: [ccp4bb] on the electronic density of several maps

2012-01-13 Thread Dale Tronrud
It's not the strength of the electron density it's the shape that is important. Dale Tronrud On 01/13/12 14:21, Dialing Pretty wrote: Dear All, For the electronic density of LEU and Pro in the electronic density map, which is much stronger? For the electronic density of LEU and Lys

Re: [ccp4bb] Molecular Transform Superimposed on a Dataset

2012-01-14 Thread Dale Tronrud
the details. Dale Tronrud Regards, ARKO On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Dale Tronrud det...@uoxray.uoregon.edu mailto:det...@uoxray.uoregon.edu wrote: I think you have to be a little more clear as to what you mean by an electron density map. If you mean our usual maps that we

Re: [ccp4bb] MAD

2012-01-19 Thread Dale Tronrud
How many names do you propose to use to describe SIRAS? If someone wrote in their paper the Rossmann method was used to solve this structure what method would come to mind? Dale Tronrud On 1/19/2012 12:51 PM, Petr Leiman wrote: It would be so much more convenient to call

[ccp4bb] Building Coot with SSM

2012-01-23 Thread Dale Tronrud
-config checking for guile-tools... /usr/bin/guile-tools and during the compile an option is -lssm, which seems to be linking to libssm. Where is the need for libmmdbssm checked for and how to I get one? Thanks, Dale Tronrud

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
Is this observation about redundancies a general rule that I missed? It seems rather surprising to me. What have results have others seen? Dale Tronrud On 01/24/12 07:23, Greg Costakes wrote: snip... Higher redundancies (7 or so) do tend to increase overall R/Rfree. snip

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
that decayed data would only be merged with the early data if the redundancy was so low that you had to just to get a full data set. Dale Tronrud -- Miguel --- Greg Costakes PhD Candidate Department of Structural

Re: [ccp4bb] Introducing an ELN

2012-01-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
around 1920 that even Germans have great trouble reading today. The paper is holding up quite well though. ;-) Dale Tronrud On 01/26/12 08:30, Phoebe Rice wrote: As the proud owner of a carefully organized, highly annotated VMS backup tape (reel-to-reel, of course), my main concern

Re: [ccp4bb] Bond Length Outliers (correction)

2012-02-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
there is a problem with the regularizer not the structure. Does you model have any ligands that might have horrible angles but not be reported by MolProbity? Dale Tronrud On 02/16/12 09:00, Greg Costakes wrote: Ahh yes, I looked at the wrong line. My Rmsd bond angle is 2.55 degrees (not bond length

Re: [ccp4bb] Help! weird thing

2012-03-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
It could be that your partial model has a loop, not present in the true solution, that is causing a clash. You could run Phaser again with the anti-bumping restraint weakened or disabled, or more carefully edit your partial model. Dale Tronrud On 3/10/2012 11:33 PM, xiaoyazi2008 wrote: Hi

Re: [ccp4bb] Tips on fitting poorly defined loop regions

2009-05-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
be more useful than spending time staring at blobs. Dale Tronrud Drew Waight wrote: Hello all, I'm just finishing up my first structure, a membrane protein with 5 fold NCS. The native dataset is good to about 2.1A. The R factors are good, around .22/.26 without waters. The only problem

Re: [ccp4bb] coupling between occupancy and b-values in refinement

2009-06-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
the fit to your data.) Your best hope would be that the new difference map will show you the water molecules that occupy this site when your compound does not. Failing that you will have an occupancy for your group but no error bars for that value. Dale Tronrud Ian Tickle wrote: Hi Pat I concur

Re: [ccp4bb] Amazing B-factor

2009-06-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
should be fine at this resolution too. Dale Tronrud Jian Wu wrote: Dear all, Recently we have collected one set of data which is processed to 2.9A and 3.0A and the Wilson-B values are 50.1 and 59.1, respectively. As for the completeness of the highest shell is only 66% in 2.9A (80% in 3.0A

Re: [ccp4bb] Disorder vs configuration alternation

2009-08-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
Dear Jin, As a conceptional issue, I don't see the different between disorder and alternating configuration. Disorder is present, at a site, when several alternative conformations have nearly equal energies resulting in some molecules adopting one conformation while others adopt others. Each

Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengthening in atomic resolution structure

2009-09-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
. With 1.1A data the calculation might be stable. Dale Tronrud Ivan Shabalin wrote: Dear all, I have an atomic resolution (1.1#197;) structure of enzyme with the bound cofactor NAD. During the analysis of the refined structure I found that important double C=O bond of the cofactor in the active

Re: [ccp4bb] Format issue with TLSIN/TLSOUT files - probably explains some refmac problems

2009-09-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
I think if you are reading a file format which is defined to be fixed fields, you should read it as fixed fields. For better or for worst, the PDB format is defined so that each field has a particular column that it begins on and a column that it ends on. I've looked in the PDB format

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfree in similar data set

2009-09-23 Thread Dale Tronrud
Yes Dale Tronrud Mike England wrote: Hi all, I will appreciate your comments on the following case: I have two datasets from the same or identical crystals. Initially, I refine a structure against the first data set and later on switch to another dataset for further refinements. Do you

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfree in similar data set

2009-09-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
to optimal, but cannot be expected to be optimal. Since we haven't seen an optimal model yet it's hard to say how far we are off. If you have the ability to choose a test set that is unbiased you might as well do so. Dale Tronrud Ian Tickle wrote: -Original Message- From: owner-ccp

Re: [ccp4bb] anisotropic data

2009-10-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
of anisotropy correction in your refinement. Dale Tronrud Ben Spiller wrote: I refrained from entering the fray during last month’s discussion of anisotropic data in refinement, but I wonder if there is any consensus regarding treatment. It seems to me that during refinement scaling to calcs

Re: [ccp4bb] Supplementary density

2009-10-30 Thread Dale Tronrud
down the sequence a search of your organism's genome would be very informative. Dale Tronrud Fabien Bergeret wrote: Hello We’re resolving a structure of a soluble protein and in the electronic density map (maximum resolution at 2.2Å), we observe a supplementary density that does not belong

Re: [ccp4bb] units of the B factor

2009-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
the beginning. I'm sure that if the MS sits down with the OPDXr and follows all these units through he will uncover the units of B, 8 Pi^2, and u_x^2 and the mystery will be solved. If he doesn't do it, I'll have to sit down with the book myself, and that will make my head hurt. Dale Tronrud James

Re: [ccp4bb] units of the B factor

2009-11-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
those units are and we started properly stating the units of each. I'm sorry that I don't have the time myself for this project. Dale Tronrud P.S. As for your distinction between the convenience units used to measure angles and the absolutely required units of length and mass: all units are part

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: pdb-l: Retraction of 12 Structures

2009-12-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
to the University of Alabama at Birmingham for facing this problem and following through with their investigation of earlier allegations. Dale Tronrud = Dr Paula Salgado Division of Molecular Biosciences Department of Life Sciences

Re: [ccp4bb] naming convention for the guanidine group of Arginine

2010-01-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
using rms's. Dale Tronrud Charlie Bond wrote: Hi Gerard, Interesting - isn't it the case that for Arg, the the NH1 and NH2 atoms are chemically distinguishable and the convention is unambiguous (NH1 cis to CD and NH2 trans, if I recall correctly). The truly symmetric sidechains of Asp, Glu

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge

2010-01-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
was reported. With today's data collection techniques I can't for the life of me figure out a reason for having both Rsym and Rmerge. Dale Tronrud Bart Hazes wrote: For what it's worth, I've been told that Rmerge was used originally, in the pre-cryo few images per crystal age, to indicate the R

Re: [ccp4bb] coot: fit ligand

2010-01-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
these keywords and see if that helps. On the other hand, I can't imagine what Coot could do to improve on the fantastic Val-Lys model in 8TLN. Surly that model is without flaw! ;-) Dale Tronrud Tim Gruene wrote: Dear all, we would like to ask coot to fit the Val-Lys dipeptide of a thermolysin

Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density

2010-02-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
while you fix everything you can figure out. Dale Tronrud Mark Quoting Katja Schleider katjaschlei...@yahoo.de: Dear all, I found some fairly substantial density in the active site of my protein structure. But I don´t know what it should be. My crystallisation condition consists

Re: [ccp4bb] tls problem in C2221

2010-02-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
possible but inevitable? Dale Tronrud Eleanor Dodson wrote: Two possible points. Could there be a problem with twinning, or spacegroup? The Rfactors seem rather high.. You dont say whether you have a non-crystallographic translation, but it is faintly possible with 2 molecules that the SG

Re: [ccp4bb] units of f0, f', f''

2010-02-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
when certain quantities arise in my work. It isn't a matter of you being right and me being wrong or the other way around. The only logically consistent solution is to have no units at all, and that would be terribly confusing to everyone. Dale Tronrud marc.schi...@epfl.ch wrote: I fully agree

Re: [ccp4bb] units of f0, f', f''

2010-02-26 Thread Dale Tronrud
to avoid ambiguous definitions. Which is exactly what I've been advocating. I'm glad we have reached agreement. Dale Tronrud P.S. to respond out-of-band to Dr. Schiltz: On the US flag I see 7 red stripes, 6 white stripes, and 50 stars. If I state I see 7 I have conveyed no useful

Re: [ccp4bb] units of f0, f', f''

2010-02-28 Thread Dale Tronrud
together in a bar somewhere and hash this out. Dale Tronrud Gerard Bricogne wrote: Dear all, Two slight confusions seem to have popped up intermittently in this thread, in messages other than those included here. The first one was related to the charge of the electron - even the colour

Re: [ccp4bb] sigma cutoff for fitting waters in model

2010-04-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
not back to that again ;-) ) and avoid this whole sliding scale problem. Dale Tronrud On 04/21/10 17:21, James Holton wrote: Like so many rules of thumb, the 3-sigma fofc and 1-sigma 2fofc is a reasonable guideline that works very well in most cases despite being based on a flawed assumption

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
. Dale Tronrud On 05/03/10 15:27, Yi-Liang Liu wrote: Hi Everyone, I've checked the previous posts about how to generate the difference map from two crystals with different cell constants. I tried MAPMAN to generate this map but I never got luck on this. It turned out to show Maps have different

Re: [ccp4bb] Fo-Fo Difference Map

2010-05-04 Thread Dale Tronrud
if they weren't so cumbersome to calculate in the CCP4 world. Dale Tronrud On 05/04/10 04:48, Ian Tickle wrote: Dale, On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Dale Tronrud det...@uoxray.uoregon.edu wrote: The greater the difference in cell constants the greater the noise in the map. I think

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculating anomalous Fourier maps

2014-08-29 Thread Dale Tronrud
and display, separately, contours for the real and imaginary components of the density. Then, even if you didn't notice the presence of anomalous scattering in your diffraction, you would still see the anomalous peaks on your display. Dale Tronrud On 8/29/2014 11:43 AM, Alexander Aleshin wrote: Could

Re: [ccp4bb] TR: [ccp4bb] KRAS maps

2014-09-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
(of course) and the maps look fine. I'm guessing that PDB_REDO junks these reflections before its Refmac refinement and avoids the issue. Dale Tronrud On 9/1/2014 2:00 AM, Magali Mathieu wrote: Please consider the environment before printing this email! -Message d'origine- De

Re: [ccp4bb] Bond lengths and angles used by Molprobity for ANP (AMPPNP)

2014-09-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
on its own, but you have to keep in mind the library's limitations. Dale Tronrud On 9/15/2014 8:42 AM, C wrote: Isn't Molprobity too tight anyway for _high resolution_ structures? I have often (for proteins) found it highlighting outliers when in fact that is what the density shows

Re: [ccp4bb] software or server to validate ligand density

2014-09-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
before I suggest you check out other models in the PDB with good, strong density and see what a full power ligand looks like in a map. Only settle for weak density if there is no alternative and never settle for ambiguous density. Dale Tronrud On 19 September 2014 22:06, ansuman biswas bubai_

Re: [ccp4bb] Get NCS rotational axis from PDB file?

2014-09-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
would have three space-like and three time-like dimensions. I have enough problems with the on-rush of one dimension of time. Dale Tronrud. On 9/22/2014 10:40 AM, Chen Zhao wrote: Hi Dale, Thank you for your reply! Yes, the real term of all eigenvalues are very close to 1, and as I said

Re: [ccp4bb] [phenixbb] Calculate average B-factor?

2014-10-06 Thread Dale Tronrud
to describe TLS in the PDB format. Don't tell me it's stuffed in REMARK! What kind of a file format is that? I believe that 100% of the models that we should be building can't be described in the PDB file format, and that has been true for a great many years. Dale Tronrud I greatly appreciate Nat's

Re: [ccp4bb] Free Reflections as Percent and not a Number

2014-11-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
reflections in the test set which, while giving you a more reliable free R, cause a larger degradation in the model itself. Dale Tronrud On 11/20/2014 2:43 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: Dear Crystallographers, I thought that for reliable values for Rfree, one needs only to satisfy counting statistics

Re: [ccp4bb] Free Reflections as Percent and not a Number

2014-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
resolution data are scrambled? Dale Tronrud Xavier On 20/11/14 11:43 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: Dear Crystallographers, I thought that for reliable values for Rfree, one needs only to satisfy counting statistics, and therefore using at most a couple thousand reflections should always

Re: [ccp4bb] Peptide flips in electron density?

2015-02-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
and refine the occupancy. Dale Tronrud On 2/12/2015 9:07 AM, Kimberly Stanek wrote: Hello all, I am in some of the final stages of refinement of a 1.5 A resolution oligomeric protein and I'm noticing what appears to be extra density corresponding to a carbonyl peptide flip near the N-terminus

Re: [ccp4bb] Sortwater NCS Matrix input

2015-04-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
row having more than three decimal places. Dale Tronrud On 4/1/2015 2:52 PM, Shane Caldwell wrote: Hi ccp4bb, I'm trying to solve a problem I never quite figured out in the past. I'd like to use the *sortwater* utility to send my picked waters to various protein chains, and to give them

Re: [ccp4bb] Phaser going into infinite loop in Ample

2015-04-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
one out in the not too distant future. All the best, Randy On 22 Apr 2015, at 05:56, Dale Tronrud de...@daletronrud.com wrote: We are having a problem with AMPLE and hope someone can help. The protein is about 70 amino acids long and we suspect it forms a coiled-coil. Our

[ccp4bb] Phaser going into infinite loop in Ample

2015-04-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
-frags_9mers /user/sarah/xray/1Apr_Athena/aat000_09_05.200_v1_3 -make_frags False - -F F -SIGF SIGF -FREE FreeR_flag -early_terminate True -use_shelxe True -shelx_cycles 15 -use_arpwarp False Any help is appreciated, Dale Tronrud Sarah Clark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22

Re: [ccp4bb] 3BDN, 16.5% Ramachandran Outliers!!!!!

2015-04-27 Thread Dale Tronrud
and judge for themselves. Dale Tronrud On 4/27/2015 7:04 AM, Oganesyan, Vaheh wrote: Hi Robbie and Co, These things are happening now too. Look at the entry 4x4m. The paper got published in January, PDB released coordinates in April. That means reviewers did not have a chance to look even

Re: [ccp4bb] Alternative ways to get electron density map other than EDS server

2015-06-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
In addition to the other excellent suggestions you have received, you can download the map for a re-refined version of a PDB entry at PDB-Redo. The latest Coot has a button for that. It appears that the EDS is down. I'll notify the authorities. Dale Tronrud On 6/9/2015 1:11 PM, Xiao Lei

Re: [ccp4bb] distorted phosphate molecule geometry after refinement

2015-06-22 Thread Dale Tronrud
. Dale Tronrud On 6/22/2015 7:48 AM, ansuman biswas wrote: Dear CCP4 users, I am working on a protein from a hyperthermophilic archaeon. I have collected mutliple X-Ray datasets, both from home source and synchrotron and always found a clear density for tetrahedral geometry, co-ordinated

Re: [ccp4bb] Residual density feature

2015-06-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
description in a REMARK 800 statement. This option would allow you to acknowledge that something is binding at this location but leave the difference peak for others to view and puzzle over on their own. Dale Tronrud Cheers, Robbie -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] PyMOL v. Coot map 'level'

2015-06-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
of the image will not depend on the region of space covered by your map nor the percentage of solvent in the crystal. Dale Tronrud On 6/1/2015 9:16 AM, Thomas Holder wrote: Hi Emilia et al., I tried to figure out the PyMOL vs. Coot normalization discrepancy a while ago. As far as I remember, PyMOL

Re: [ccp4bb] PyMOL v. Coot map 'level'

2015-05-29 Thread Dale Tronrud
normalize you should use Coot's e/A^3 level. It is quite possible that they could differ by a factor of two. Dale Tronrud On 5/29/2015 1:15 PM, Emilia C. Arturo (Emily) wrote: Hello. I am struggling with an old question--old because I've found several discussions and wiki bits on this topic, e.g

Re: [ccp4bb] paired refinement

2015-07-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
Dear Kay, You are right. I had forgotten the normalization part of the CC calculation. Dale On 7/3/2015 12:01 AM, Kay Diederichs wrote: Hi Dale, On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 10:45:45 -0700, Dale Tronrud de...@daletronrud.com wrote: While I was puzzling over an entry in the PDB some years ago

Re: [ccp4bb] paired refinement

2015-07-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
refinement can't be fooled in this way. Dale Tronrud On 7/2/2015 10:25 AM, Edward A. Berry wrote: My take on this- No one has been willing to specify a cutoff (and probably there is no rigorous way to mathematically define the cutoff) and say If CC* (or CCfree or whatever) is below X

Re: [ccp4bb] Coot and Pymol through SSH by Xming/PUTTY on a windows client?

2015-07-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
the server.) Dale Tronrud On 7/1/2015 3:40 PM, Chen Zhao wrote: Hi all, Sorry to bother you, but I am trying to fix a long-standing problem that I cannot run Coot and Pymol through Xming/PUTTY by SSH connection on a windows client. The error messages are pretty similar for both: Coot: PuTTY X11

Re: [ccp4bb] paired refinement

2015-07-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
resolution data I would expect the geometry stats to get worst. Dale Tronrud On 7/7/2015 11:17 AM, Shane Caldwell wrote: Chiming in late with a follow-up question: On the other hand in paired refinement, if adding the data improves the structure as measured by Rfree in a zone excluding the added

Re: [ccp4bb] on the resoution of crystal

2017-02-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
It is confusing, but "high" is meant to indicate the quality of the final electron density map based on the data. Your 1.8 A data set will give the better map, and is the high resolution data set. Dale Tronrud On 2/5/2017 4:09 AM, wrote: > Dear All, > > For one p

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfactor and Rfree not coming below 0.4

2017-01-20 Thread Dale Tronrud
is if there is a mistake either in the calculation of the R value or the map. I think you need to double-check your work. Dale Tronrud P.S. Are you contouring your difference map at a reasonable level? Think e/A^3 not "sigma"s. When I look at a difference map I start at a level of

Re: [ccp4bb] High B factor

2016-10-14 Thread Dale Tronrud
. Why would you expect otherwise? Dale Tronrud On 10/14/2016 12:28 AM, Carlos CONTRERAS MARTEL wrote: > Sunanda, > > As "common people", ... "agreement" don't means for me "equals" ... > > So I hope I'm not so "incorrect" if I keep on

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculation of RSRZ Score in PDB Validation Reports

2016-11-28 Thread Dale Tronrud
analysis. Of course, if you trick a validation statistic like this you haven't accomplished anything. All you are saying is that one should rank RSRZ scores with and without hydrogen atoms separately. Perhaps you should suggest that to the PDB validation people. Dale Tronrud > >

Re: [ccp4bb] High B factor

2016-10-13 Thread Dale Tronrud
ctly > you mean by "is there any way to better the B factors". > Pavel > > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Dale Tronrud > <de...@daletronrud.com <mailto:de...@daletronrud.com>> wrote: > >I'm sorry but I don't unde

Re: [ccp4bb] High B factor

2016-10-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
I'm sorry but I don't understand what your problem is. Do you think the B factors are too small for a 3A data set? A range of 70 to 75 is a little smaller than usual but probably not out of bounds. Dale Tronrud On 10/12/2016 7:59 PM, sunanda williams wrote: > Hi all, > I have a str

Re: [ccp4bb] Refienmnet

2017-08-15 Thread Dale Tronrud
Your first step is to look at your images and see what is going on in that shell. Since you are looking at merged stats the first guess is that there is something wrong with all of the images, but only by looking at them can you tell. Dale Tronrud On 8/15/2017 9:39 AM, rohit kumar wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] Incorrect Structure in the PDB

2017-06-27 Thread Dale Tronrud
a requirement of the wwPDB rules but it makes the situation much clearer the someone wanting to understand this protein. Having a second model in the PDB w/o a publication would not leave many clues to decide which model to use. Dale Tronrud On 6/27/2017 12:15 AM, Trevor Sewell wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] NAD dihedral for C2N-C3N-C7N-N7N

2017-05-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
ded clashes when everything is in one plane. Some restraint libraries inappropriately restrain this group to be co-planar with the six-membered ring. As always, check you CIF! Dale Tronrud On 5/17/2017 12:46 PM, Jorge Iulek wrote: > Dear all, > > I came across some difficulty to

[ccp4bb]

2017-05-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
I'm sorry but I'm a little confused by your question. If your map already has four-fold symmetry why can't you simply build your model once in one quarter of the map? What do you hope to change by specifying that the space group is P4? Dale Tronrud On 5/18/2017 10:06 PM, Qingfeng Chen wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] Refining a crystal structure with (very) high solvent content

2017-06-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
ot used to seeing. Selecting a contour level based on the e/A^3 is much less sensitive to the amount of solvent in the crystal is gives much more consistent results. Dale Tronrud > > Could these observations be linked to the high solvent content? (1) A > high solvent content structure

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Another troublesome dataset (High Rfree after MR)

2017-10-16 Thread Dale Tronrud
. I know that James is not recommending this, but that is what some people in that bad period in the 1990's were doing. Most of us were not! Dale Tronrud On 10/16/2017 8:02 AM, James Holton wrote: > > If you suspect that weak data (such as all the spot-free hkls beyond > your an

Re: [ccp4bb] Short peptide outliers

2017-10-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
of the model of a bound ligand. In my opinion the most likely explanation is that multiple conformations of the peptide are binding. Without seeing the density or being able to examine the data it is hard to generate possibilities. Dale Tronrud On 10/1/2017 2:20 AM, Meytal Galilee wrote: > Hi

Re: [ccp4bb] Electrostatic Potential: Poisson-Boltzmann

2017-12-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
uncertainty. Dale Tronrud On 12/1/2017 10:02 AM, chemocev marker wrote: > Hi > > I am calculating the Electrostatic Potential of my protein. But there > were few flexible region with high B-factor and I deleted that part of > the protein and then recalculated it. But there

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
ope tends to be of very high quality and you don't have precise models of the object to calculate phases so there is no advantage of going to "diffraction mode".. Dale Tronrud > > JPK > > -Original Message- > From: herman.schreu...@sanofi.com [mailto:herman.sch

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
ctron density we are used to look at. Alternatively, you could >> display an bona fide electron density map as voxel blocks and I am >> sure it will look similar to the voxel map you showed in your first >> email. >> >> Best, >> Herman >> >> -Ursp

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-10 Thread Dale Tronrud
come up with programs that would perform Fourier summations of square waves to calculate electron density. Our instrument is an analog computer for calculating the Sin wave Fourier transform of the electron density of our crystal because we designed it to do exactly that. Dale Tronrud > > >

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 11/12/2017 6:48 AM, Kay Diederichs wrote: > On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 14:04:26 -0800, Dale Tronrud <de...@daletronrud.com> > wrote: > ... >> >> My belief is that the fact that our spot intensities represent the >> amplitude (squared) of a series of Sin waves

Re: [ccp4bb] double cell dimensions between P2 and C2

2017-11-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
I agree with Phil. A P2 crystal with nearly perfect noncrystallographic translational symmetry (~1/2,~1/2,0) will look like a C2 cell with twice the length along a and b and weak spots between the indexed spots. Look for those spots on your "C2" images. Dale Tronrud On 11/9/20

Re: [ccp4bb] Basic Crystallography/Imaging Conundrum

2017-11-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
p will have many more voxels but no more information because the density values are correlated. Dale Tronrud On 11/9/2017 4:10 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: > Dear Crystallographers, > >   > > I have been considering a thought-experiment of sorts for a while, and > wonder what y

Re: [ccp4bb] Electrostatic Potential: Poisson-Boltzmann

2017-12-02 Thread Dale Tronrud
d see what their properties are. I'm not aware that anyone has done this, but my literature search has been very limited. Dale Tronrud On 12/2/2017 5:51 AM, Sam Tang wrote: > To add to the discussion, could I raise a relevant question about > generating ESP (Apologies to Jiri if this distrac

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculating sigma value

2018-05-01 Thread Dale Tronrud
ne quantum of negative charge for each electron, then calculate the charge density due to the proton density, using knowledge of the charge of a proton, and then sum the two charge densities, which are not only commensurate but identical. My code would then be ready should I run into a Xi baryon wi

Re: [ccp4bb] Arg distorsion during refinement

2018-02-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
omplains about your model. Your model is fine and the validation software needs better validation itself. Dale Tronrud On 2/9/2018 10:18 AM, Oganesyan, Vaheh wrote: > Dear crystallographers, > >   > > Lately when refining a structure (at 2.8A) with Refmac5 I’ve found that > n

Re: [ccp4bb] Unidentified large blobs in the electron density

2018-08-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
be willing to accept that you may never figure it out. Don't build a model you don't believe. I once spent about twenty years trying to figure out a blob (not full time!). I got a nice paper about it in the end. Dale Tronrud On 8/5/2018 7:00 AM, Preeti Preeti wrote: > Dear CCP4 member >

Re: [ccp4bb] RMS bond and angle

2018-07-05 Thread Dale Tronrud
, of your model should be considered less reliable. Tricking people into placing too much trust in your model is not a good idea. Dale Tronrud. On 7/5/2018 1:11 AM, zheng zhou wrote: > Hi all > > Just finishing up a new structure at 2.4A. Buster refine gives RMS bond > 0.008 and angle

Re: [ccp4bb] Calculating sigma value

2018-04-19 Thread Dale Tronrud
I will leave some known atoms out of the model and see how the heights of their difference peaks compare to the heights of the mysterious peaks. This method is fairly insensitive to the systematic problems that affect both rms and electrons/A^2. Dale Tronrud On 4/19/2018 8:30 AM, Ian Tickle wrote: >

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