Chuck Guzis wrote:
> I remember my friend, Debbie, who worked as a CE for DEC back in the
> primordial ages, made a big deal about the Super Foonly.
>
> Have any working Foonly systems survived?
The Stanford Super Foonly was designed, but never built. The project
ran out of ARPA funding in the
Folks,
This thread needs to end here, please. I'd rather not have to break out
the emergency moderation flag and the banhammer.
De
I’m all but certain that the 16500 series is a 68k not PA-RISC though.
Robert Johnson
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Agreed. Keep this OT first-time-on-the-internet drama out of my inbox,
please.
- squidward
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:22 AM CJ Reha via cctalk
wrote:
> Who gives a shit?
>
> - squidward
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 10:29 PM Eric Moore via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > Sellam
Who gives a shit?
- squidward
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 10:29 PM Eric Moore via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Sellam joined the ccmp discord as "Chumba" and, among other things, claimed
> long covid is not real, and doubled down on similar incendiary topics.
>
> When we found out it
Nope. LCM had a KI-10, ISTR it was half of a dual CPU system from
Kiel. When I visted there was a 2060 and a 2065, as well as a KS.
I understand that later they acquired a KA and the MIT-MC KL (1080).
Yep, my error. I saw the picture in Christie's and thought "Heh, they
picked the shiny cup"
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 7:47 PM js--- via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I'm not involved, Sellam, but just the ignore the trolls. Life is too
> short.
>
I would agree, but this is apparently a long-running beef between me and
people I don't even know, including this Eric guy, who use every
opportunity to
On 6/25/24 18:29, phil--- via cctalk wrote:
>
> Nope. LCM had a KI-10, ISTR it was half of a dual CPU system from
> Kiel. When I visted there was a 2060 and a 2065, as well as a KS.
> I understand that later they acquired a KA and the MIT-MC KL (1080).
Please pardon the side trip on this
I'm not involved, Sellam, but just the ignore the trolls. Life is too
short.
On 6/25/2024 9:33 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 7:29 PM Eric Moore via cctalk
wrote:
Sellam joined the ccmp discord as "Chumba" and, among other things, claimed
long covid is not
Oops, that wasn't supposed to be public.
Oh well.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 7:27 PM Sellam Abraham
wrote:
> Yeah, fuck yourself, Gene.
>
> Delete away.
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 7:16 PM geneb via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> > The below
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 7:29 PM Eric Moore via cctalk
wrote:
> Sellam joined the ccmp discord as "Chumba" and, among other things, claimed
> long covid is not real, and doubled down on similar incendiary topics.
>
> When we found out it was Sellam, he complained about getting "doxed".
>
> Due to
Sellam joined the ccmp discord as "Chumba" and, among other things, claimed
long covid is not real, and doubled down on similar incendiary topics.
When we found out it was Sellam, he complained about getting "doxed".
Due to his toxic behaviour, myself and at least 2 others left the discord
we
Yeah, fuck yourself, Gene.
Delete away.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 7:16 PM geneb via cctalk
wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
>
> > The below quoted message is a libel. I have demanded an apology and
> > retraction from Eric Moore via e-mail. The ball is in his
I should point out that the Revocable Living Trust as I have developed is
only applicable under U.S. law (thanks to Peter C. for having me remember
there are many members here not in the USA).
At some point I may look into creating similar trust documents for
collectors in other countries as
> On 06/25/2024 7:06 PM CDT Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 4:54 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > > Allen’s estate, which has been managing and winding down his vast array
> > of holdings
> > >
> >
>
> I'm compelled to
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
The below quoted message is a libel. I have demanded an apology and
retraction from Eric Moore via e-mail. The ball is in his court.
I was today years old when I found out "libel" is a noun.
Two things.
1. Truth is an affirmative
Hi Jon.
Thank you very much for the feedback.
I'm busy through the end of this week with priority projects but I'll get
back to you with the RLT documents and instructions either this weekend or
early next week so you'll at least have that in place. The rest of the
plan will come together over
On 6/25/24 18:50, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
I think this is an appropriate time for this announcement.
Over the many years I've been collecting, there have been more than several
instances of a collector dying and their collection effectively being cast
to the wind because their
The below quoted message is a libel. I have demanded an apology and
retraction from Eric Moore via e-mail. The ball is in his court.
Sellam
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 5:46 PM Eric Moore wrote:
> For those on the list, Sellam trolled the ccmp discord under a pseudonym
> recently.
>
> Did not
CZ wrote:
> Dumb asses couldn't even get the computer right.
>
> "A highlight of the sale is a computer that Allen helped restore and on
> which he worked, a DEC PDP-10: KI-10. Built in 1971, it’s the first
> computer that both Allen and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates ever used
> prior to
For those on the list, Sellam trolled the ccmp discord under a pseudonym
recently.
Did not seem relevant to bring up until now, but... yeah.
-Eric
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 6:51 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I think this is an appropriate time for this
On 6/25/2024 8:11 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
By the way, I think I already indicated this, but if anyone has a
legitimate claim, the disbursement of the collection could be challenged in
court, and some alternate outcome decreed by virtue of public policy
(sometimes we can use
There is one other possibility: Can someone reach out to Bill and put
him in contact with me? He cared about the system as well, maybe he can
take on the role of protector and do a better job than Paul did.
Maybe he could be worthy.
CZ
On 6/25/2024 6:58 PM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote:
Possible, however museums tend to catalog artifacts completely. Last I
saw the tape on the front where the MIT punch card with MIT-AI written
on the back was still there (I still have the punch card, kept it as a
memory and yes the tape will line up :-)
If the "handshake" deal is ignored then
By the way, I think I already indicated this, but if anyone has a
legitimate claim, the disbursement of the collection could be challenged in
court, and some alternate outcome decreed by virtue of public policy
(sometimes we can use government power for our benefit).
How do we even know for sure
Dumb asses couldn't even get the computer right.
"A highlight of the sale is a computer that Allen helped restore and on
which he worked, a DEC PDP-10: KI-10. Built in 1971, it’s the first
computer that both Allen and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates ever used
prior to founding Microsoft.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 4:54 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > Allen’s estate, which has been managing and winding down his vast array
> of holdings
> > since his death in 2018, confirmed to GeekWire that the 12-year-old
> museum is closed for
> > good.
>
> I held out
Had Allen given final instructions that the entire LCM be cleaned out
and melted for scrap, would you still think that he needed an excuse?
It was his money; he had no reason to explain what he did with it or
with the toys that he purchased.
If he had done that, that would be fine (although
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 4:23 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> I can't. Dude had virtually limitless money and couldn't hire an estate
> planner to take care of it?
>
Who knows the details. I see a lot of assumptions being thrown out.
I am a bit skeptical of the
Here’s an article about it.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/paul-allens-will-sheds-little-light-on-what-will-happen-to-estate/
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 25, 2024, at 16:54, Rick Bensene via cctalk
wrote:
Allen’s estate, which has been managing and winding down his vast
> Allen’s estate, which has been managing and winding down his vast array of
> holdings
> since his death in 2018, confirmed to GeekWire that the 12-year-old museum is
> closed for
> good.
I held out hope that somehow this would not be the end of this place. Alas, it
was not to be.
I had
It's too bad they could have sold or donated the entire museum to another
individual/company/group. I'm assuming they must have tried that route.
I think I remember that he had no will? And his sister doesn't care about
the nerd stuff.
- Ethan
On 6/25/24 16:22, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> I can't. Dude had virtually limitless money and couldn't hire an estate
> planner to take care of it?
>
> There's literally no excuse in this case.
Had Allen given final instructions that the entire LCM be cleaned out
and melted for scrap,
I think this is an appropriate time for this announcement.
Over the many years I've been collecting, there have been more than several
instances of a collector dying and their collection effectively being cast
to the wind because their surviving spouse or family members have no idea
what to do
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 4:18 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> On 6/25/24 16:03, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
>
> > I think he really thought he had more time on earth, and didn't consider
> > the estate planning of the museum to be an urgent matter. Sadly, he was
> > wrong about that!
>
> I can
On 6/25/24 16:03, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> I think he really thought he had more time on earth, and didn't consider
> the estate planning of the museum to be an urgent matter. Sadly, he was
> wrong about that!
I can understand that. Currently, my wife and I have a sort of
"blanket" will
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 4:03 PM Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> On 6/25/24 15:51, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> > On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote:
> >> If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared
> >> deeply about, in a way that would not be dissolved when
On 6/25/24 15:51, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote:
If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared
deeply about, in a way that would not be dissolved when he passed, who
could?
I think he really thought he had more time on
What are the odds that the letter was removed and lost when the system was
disassembled to be shipped to the auction house? I suspect that what was
ultimately a handshake deal is going to be ignored here.
Mike
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 6:31 PM Wayne S via cctalk
wrote:
> You should draft the
You should draft the letter ASAP.
Also send via registered mail.
And if you are claiming ownership, send a copy to the auction house.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 25, 2024, at 15:27, cz via cctalk wrote:
>
> Yeah, but at least for AI he actually seemed to care about it as something
> he
Yeah, but at least for AI he actually seemed to care about it as
something he used back in the early 80's.
*sigh* I was wondering if it would come to this. I guess I need to draft
a letter to the executor of this mess, asking them to please open AI,
look in the inside metal pocket on the
Who is the trustee? Anyone know for sure?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 25, 2024, at 15:09, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> "The estate says, in keeping with Allen’s wishes, proceeds from the sale of
> any items will go to charitable causes. Allen’s sister Jody Allen is the
> executor
"The estate says, in keeping with Allen’s wishes, proceeds from the sale of
any items will go to charitable causes. Allen’s sister Jody Allen is the
executor of his estate and for several years has been selling pieces of it,
ranging from Seattle’s Cinerama movie theater, the Everett, Wash.-based
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:53 AM Alan Perry via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> What I want to know is whether they even tried to keep the museum intact
> and fork off a foundation to run it like MoPOP and Flying Heritage.
>
I was curious on this too. It seems his entire estate is
On 6/25/24 13:28, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote:
> If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared
> deeply about, in a way that would not be dissolved when he passed, who
> could?
Mr. Allen collected a lot of things, which, given his wealth, probably
can be viewed in the
If Paul Allen was unable to setup his museum, something he clearly cared deeply about, in a way that
would not be dissolved when he passed, who could?
On 6/25/24 11:46, Christian Liendo via cctalk wrote:
> On Jun 25, 2024, at 4:05 PM, dstalkowski--- via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Museums may be one of the worst place to donate equipment.
>
> This example from ham radio was posted to rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
> back in 2000:
>
> "Many of us in the Dallas area donated hundreds of highly
Museums may be one of the worst place to donate equipment.
This example from ham radio was posted to rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
back in 2000:
"Many of us in the Dallas area donated hundreds of highly collectable
radios to the National Museum of Communications in Irving, Texas. These
included
On 6/25/24 12:21, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
> What a disappointing shame. It happens to too many good computer museums. I
> wonder if there's a solution for the future. Hopefully they're in contact
> with CHM and others prior to the auction but it unfortunately sounds like
> they're looking
I think many donors equated 'museum' with 'forever'. I seem to recall some
back and forths between a few of them on a forum somewhere when LCM first
closed, and they seemed to be under the impression LCM would be perpetual,
especially given who was behind it.
It's too bad they could have sold or
What a disappointing shame. It happens to too many good computer museums. I
wonder if there's a solution for the future. Hopefully they're in contact
with CHM and others prior to the auction but it unfortunately sounds like
they're looking for money more than preservation :-(
On Tue, Jun 25,
On 6/25/24 11:35 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Jun 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, brad via cctalk wrote:
I'm curious what happens to items that were donated on the understanding that
the museum would be a safe long term place for them?Pretty sad they couldn't
make it work.
There's a lot
> On Jun 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, brad via cctalk wrote:
>
> I'm curious what happens to items that were donated on the understanding that
> the museum would be a safe long term place for them?Pretty sad they couldn't
> make it work.
There's a lot to be said for hard rules in signed
I'm curious what happens to items that were donated on the understanding that
the museum would be a safe long term place for them?Pretty sad they couldn't
make it work.BradSent from my Galaxy
Original message From: Teo Zenios via cctalk
Date: 2024-06-25 11:24 a.m.
So much for museums outliving the founders.
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Subject: [cctalk] Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as
https://www.geekwire.com/2024/seattles-living-computers-museum-logs-off-for-good-as-paul-allen-estate-will-auction-vintage-items/
Living Computers Museum + Labs, the Seattle institution created by the
late Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen as a hands-on showcase for rare
computing technology and
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