"you" was generic!
pro-choice doesnt' dictate anyone elses morality - calling abortion murder calls it that for all people - i.e. says its a wrong choice for more than just myself.
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I don't know if your "you" here" explicitly means me. If so, then I am not totally sure it would be murder, though I include that way. It's again a matter of definition. But I very carefully don't impose my views on others when I say that my religious views are irrelevant to a discussion of social
Why, his dumbass decisions seem to do a good enough job. How many
American casualties in his completely unnecessary war to date? 800
or so?
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I am pro-choice - i think your choice to have a severely handicapped child is as valid as mine not to.
By calling my choice "murder" (which is illegal) thats imposing your religious or moral views upon me.
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From: dana tierney
To: CF-Community
Sent: Sunday, Jun
> From: Monique Boea
>
> How about preventing pregnancy altogether if you're not ready?
You do know that no contraception is 100% effective apart from
abstinance, right?
You can't expect every young person to abstain from sex in this day and
age - the whole society would have to change, and that
> From: John Stanley
>
> If you are
> pregnant and you choose to end the pregnancy by abortion,
> then you are murdering your child. To me, life begins upon
> conception.
If you follow this logic through - if a woman has a miscarriage or a
still birth, then they are responsible for the "death"
Tough call. Not sure what I would do. A lot would depend on the stage of the pregnancy and the stage of the cancer.
I have been thinking about my own choices in pregnancy -- I was pretty committed to having the baby already when the issues showed up but had I said oh hell no I am pretty sure I wo
yes and there are people out there who think that it is. It breaks down of course when you realize that by this logic all women have a duty to stay pregnant at all times.
Dana
> By this logic a woman with an iud is murdering, because it doesnt'
> prevent fertilization, just the egg from implanti
My friend Sam was once in this situation -- pregnant by a father who wanted a baby she did not. They had already broken up. She had the baby. He raised it. But the fact that they made it work doesnt mean that everybody could. If she had been unwilling to deal with being pregnant? The ethical issues
Its all her decision. Its not my body, or my fetus.
I recently watched a tv program where labor was induced early so the mother could begin chemotherapy. It was a sad show. She found out about the breast cancer after she concieved. I personally would have aborted the fetus and started chemo
how so?
> Except that the view that abortion is murder and should be illegal is
> inherently imposed on others, I think.
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There is not equality in men and birth, Ken, I agree. I do not see a fair solution, however. So I choose not to have a strong opinion about it.
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Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:57 AM
Subject: FW: Conversation Topic - A
'sok, just glad the confusion is cleared up. I wasn't sure, as I had said something similar.
> I am sorry!! I didn't nmean to mis-attribute!!!
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> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:12 AM
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> I believe in reserving the right of anti-abortionists to picket
> abortion practicioners offices. I think its fine and I also think it
> offers the women who are going to have abortions some balance.
I agree even though they annoy me. Largely these are personal things - After a year and hal
"Bottom line is that all of our takes are good for us, but
should not be imposed on others."
Except that the view that abortion is murder and should be illegal is inherently imposed on others, I think.
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Sent: Friday,
"I'm sure that some people could take the "spilling of your seed" quote
and run with it saying that masturbation should be illegal because sperm
have the potential for creating life. "
By this logic a woman with an iud is murdering, because it doesnt' prevent fertilization, just the egg from impl
What about the other scenarios?
What about the scenario where the mothers life is in danger?
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From: Monique Boea
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: Conversation Topic - Abortion
What about the rights of the baby?
I believ
I am sorry!! I didn't nmean to mis-attribute!!!
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From: dana tierney
To: CF-Community
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
Unless I have been sleep-posting while possessed by anti-abortion protesters :) I don't t
If you don't have a better solution, then perhaps you should keep your extremeist view to yourself until you do. Not everyone who has an abortion did so because they were irresponsible. Birth control methods FAIL.
We are currently trying to have a kid. One of the things I made very clear to my
He's an agnostic. Viability is a reasonable place to draw a line, if you want my opinion. You could quarrel with this if so inclined, but let's not. What, in your opinion, should happen post-viability if the mother wants an abortion or wants to do something that poses a risk to the baby? Chemothera
I don't know if this is of concern to anyone here but me, but apparently NY is suing the makers of Paxil over inaccurate information provided to doctors.
http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/34197.html
I have a kid who was taking SSRI's last year -- not Paxil though -- and it would be really nice
I believe in reserving the right of anti-abortionists to picket abortion practicioners offices. I think its fine and I also think it offers the women who are going to have abortions some balance.
I don't consider a fetus a child. We are working on getting pregnant NOW and I assure you i will n
And John, do you have a religion?
To me its common sense that a fetus that lives inside its mother and cannot live outside is NOT a baby.
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From: John Stanley
To: CF-Community
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: Conversation Topic - Abortion
As well I don't recall Hagrid's cottage being so far from the castle.
If you recall in the first two it was right near by.
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From: Jeffry Houser
To: CF-Community
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: Harry Potter & Prisoner of Azkaban
I saw the new
In a worldwide survey conducted by the UN, the only question asked
was:
"Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the
food shortage in the rest of the world?"
THE SURVEY WAS A HUGE FAILURE:
In Africa they didn't know what "food" meant.
In Eastern Europe th
>> Would you select colour film, or rather go with the simplicity of
>> classic black and white?
Colour definitely! hehe
- Greg
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At 12:37 PM 6/6/04, Larry wrote:
>Would you select colour film, or rather go with the simplicity of
>classic black and white?
I'm a big fan of digital photography myself.
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A friend forwarded this to me:
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This test only has one question, but it's a very important one.
Please don't answer it without giving it some serious thought. By
giving an honest answer you will be able to test where you stand
morally. The test features an unlikely, completely fictional
situ
Do you still volunteer on that crisis pregnancy line? You would know then if access is an issue. Even when it is not though, unwanted pregnancy is still a possibility, is all I am saying.
Dana
>Doug, I agree except contraception does the same thing so much better.
>However, saying that a means of
I saw the new Harry Potter movie.
I think it was the best movie yet; definitely a must see for fans of the
series.
While it touched on all the important plot points of the book, it felt
like a lot of the little details were left out. In many ways the movie
flowed better than the previous t
> >As mentioned here's the URL to that gun control article:
> >http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/research/publications/reports/1990-95/reports/gab_rpt.asp#8.1%20Firearm%20Ownership%20in%20Canada
>>
> >larry
Here's an updated report that's a followup to the above research.
http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/e
Doug, I agree except contraception does the same thing so much better.
However, saying that a means of contraception is 99% effective still means that
someone gets to be the lucky 1% and then all my above comments apply. It's a
decision that commits the mother for a minimum of nine months and more
>As mentioned here's the URL to that gun control article:
>http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/research/publications/reports/1990-95/reports/gab_rpt.asp#8.1%20Firearm%20Ownership%20in%20Canada
>
>larry
>--
Sorry about that, forgot to include the tiny url for the wrap challenged:
http://www.houseoffusion
As mentioned here's the URL to that gun control article:
http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/research/publications/reports/1990-95/reports/gab_rpt.asp#8.1%20Firearm%20Ownership%20in%20Canada
larry
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Larry C. Lyons
Life is Complex. It has both r
I am not sure the intention of the mother is a guide enough. What about the one who meant to have an abortion and waited too long? I feel pretty sorry for the kid, and hope she puts him up for adoption, but... at let's say the seventh month of pregnancy it isn't not a child because the mother prefe
Doug, I agree except contraception does the same thing so much better. However, saying that a means of contraception is 99% effective still means that someone gets to be the lucky 1% and then all my above comments apply. It's a decision that commits the mother for a minimum of nine months and more
>abortions were prohibited. But that is really a moot point, because it's a
>seperate issue I guess.
Well, no, it's not. Not if you are the mother.
I think it is ok to have an emotional reaction; it's an emotional issue. But you (and I, and everyone else arguing from emotion here) have to realiz
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