>
> I just can't imagine that circumcision is more respected than condoms,
> but oh well, stranger things have happened.
Culture, not religion is the issue here. Are you a real man if you use a
condom? A real man can be circumcised.
~~~
On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> But your "hack on an infant" statement tells me that no argument I
> ever make
> will change any part of your opinion. It's too extreme.
>
You are right. There is really nothing you could say that would make
me believe that removing a pie
On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>> and you'll never know if it can be better will youthat choice
>> was made
>> for you.
>
> Which avoids my comment of what I have is more than enough. Bottom
> line is
> that we're both arguing from a point of no knowledge unless one of
>
> This is really a cheap shot that you've done several times. Suffice it to
> say that if the clitoris is the only thing you know to stimulate, then
> it's
> not me who's lacking knowledge.
Yes it was cheap and I was about to apologize. I should have said it a bit
differently but the point rema
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Again, if you don't know how it impairs a woman you've never tried to
> please
> one and definitely are not one. You try masturbating
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why does it impair the female? She can still have children. She can
> still
> have sex.
Again, if you don't know how it impairs a woman you've never tried to please
one and definitely are not one. You try masturbati
>
> Circumcision - "small piece of skin removed".
> FGC - can be as little as removal of the hood and tip of the clitoris.
Um, if you don't see a distinct difference between these two things than
you've never pleased a woman before.
~~~
why does it impair the female? She can still have children. She can still
have sex.
do you consider lowered sensation an impairment? If so, how can you be
certain that circumcision doesn't impair sensation?
are you sure it's only helpful?
Infant dies after botched circumcision
http://www.cana
I don't see the correlation.
One is helpful, useful, and does not in any way impair the male.
The other is dangerous and definitely detrimental.
So it's not a double standard.
On 01/04/2008, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>it's just that in our society, circumcision is normal and
>
my argument is that female genital mutilation is akin to
circumcisionit's just that in our society, circumcision is normal and
therefore accepted, yet we balk at female genital cutting.
I think it's a double standard and just goes to show how arrogant our
society can be:
Circumcision - perfor
How did we go from male circumcision to female mutilation?
0_0
> > so you would argue that as long as the female is young enough not to have
> > a
> > choice, clitoral mutilation is fine.
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>
> so you would argue that as long as the female is young enough not to have
> a
> choice, clitoral mutilation is fine.
Different in degree as I stated earlier. There's a difference between
cutting off a small piece of skin and cutting off a (minor) appendage.
~~
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > Hey, if someone WANTS a circumcision, no problem. I disagree with doing
> > it
> > to individuals who have no choice in the matter.
>
> Babies have no choice in any matter. We force them to nurse or not. We
> forc
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's nice evidence, probably eclipsed by the benefits of using a condom
> though
>
> ..what about the evidence of botched circumcisions and the lives
> they've
> ruined.
That's why you go to a professional.
A mo
>
> Hey, if someone WANTS a circumcision, no problem. I disagree with doing
> it
> to individuals who have no choice in the matter.
Babies have no choice in any matter. We force them to nurse or not. We force
them to wear diapers when they want to be naked. We taken them for shots and
on and on.
Botched MALE circumcisions in the developed world?
Where did you read about that?
On 01/04/2008, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's nice evidence, probably eclipsed by the benefits of using a condom
> though
>
> ..what about the evidence of botched circumcisions and the live
It's nice evidence, probably eclipsed by the benefits of using a condom
though
..what about the evidence of botched circumcisions and the lives they've
ruined.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So what do you think of the evidence that suggests that m
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> So what do you consider a prince albert then? Or pierced ears (though
> neither of those examples carry any benefit beyond aesthetics). Body
> modifications from early age on up for health reasons alone are done every
>
So what do you consider a prince albert then? Or pierced ears (though
neither of those examples carry any benefit beyond aesthetics). Body
modifications from early age on up for health reasons alone are done every
day and banning one means banning them all. Cleft pallet? any form of
childhood cosme
Nope. If it comes to giving up circumcision I'll just leave the country to a
place where its not an issue. That's the perfect point. If someone doesn't
like the rules they can leave.
But I'm not worried much as there are positive medical benefits to
circumcision. The fight goes back and forth for a
So what do you think of the evidence that suggests that men who have been
circumcised have a lower chance of picking up some sexually transmitted
diseases?
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I consider circumcision a form of genital mutilation that sh
Looks like it is parent, guardian or _spouse_. LOL.
Some reading on the subject of ct minor alcohol laws
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/rpt/2003-R-0011.htm
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/2003-R-0013.htm
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:32 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting..
religious?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Ayaan Hirsi Ali videos on Islam
>
>
>> We've already done so. Biblically you're
Interestingi don't THINK Kansas has that stipulation
But I guess I'm not really sure...
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a bartender, I more than once served beers to a father and his sons,
> all
> under 18.
>
> In CT, the alcohol needs to
As a bartender, I more than once served beers to a father and his sons, all
under 18.
In CT, the alcohol needs to be purchased by a _parent_, not by another
responsible adult.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:31 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know, it's interesting. There are instances wh
Been watching horror movies again?
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> poking..lol.
> Pokey pokey...gonna kill you soon little sheep..pokey poke poke. Now?
> N..not now...POKE..Now? N...SLASH!!
> hee hee hee.
> 0_0
>
> that image seemed funny to me...at
It's no less objectionable than food labeled vegan or fat free. I think the
opposition may be due to the images associated with the slaughter of Halal
meat which is usually a goat with its head cut off and blood all over the
place. Even knowing more about the how and why of it I still have that
ima
poking..lol.
Pokey pokey...gonna kill you soon little sheep..pokey poke poke. Now?
N..not now...POKE..Now? N...SLASH!!
hee hee hee.
0_0
that image seemed funny to me...at that point in time...
i guess you sort of had to be in my head.
:-\
anyways...thanks for the info, it's sort of w
Yes and no. Dhabihah (the Islamic laws of animal slaughter) are in some ways
more lenient than those of shechita (the Jewish laws of animal slaughter).
The former can be done by any adult Muslim while the latter can only be done
by a trained shochet (pious and learned individual knowledgeable in th
yeah, I guess that's true.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually in many states it's only illegal for those under 21 to purchase
> alcohol, and drink without parental consent. Many don't have a problem
> so long as there is parental consent.
>
> G Mone
M
Subject: Re: Ayaan Hirsi Ali videos on Islam
> We've already done so. Biblically you're allowed multiple wives. This
> practice has been prohibited to conform to the social norms of Europe and
> later America. At the moment I can't think of any Jewish laws that would
Actually in many states it's only illegal for those under 21 to purchase
alcohol, and drink without parental consent. Many don't have a problem
so long as there is parental consent.
G Money wrote:
> You know, it's interesting. There are instances where the laws have bent to
> accommodate religi
You know, it's interesting. There are instances where the laws have bent to
accommodate religious services.
The big one that comes to mind is the Eucharistic ceremony for Christians.
Christian children start participating in the Eucharistic ceremony when they
are in about 2nd grade. At that point
> and me being available to the lists on a Saturday is not a law. :)
yeah... not yet.
;-)
Thanks.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
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Is this similar to Halal foods?
On 01/04/2008, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Time and again it's been shown that ritual slaughtering is more humane than
> the standard > bolt to
> the head. The practice is also proof against such things as mad cow disease.
~
We've already done so. Biblically you're allowed multiple wives. This
practice has been prohibited to conform to the social norms of Europe and
later America. At the moment I can't think of any Jewish laws that would
conflict with social laws. Just about all of our laws are personal/communal
ones w
> I agree. Now lets enforce that.
So, Michael, just out of curiosity, what practice of your own religion
would you be willing to give up for the sake of conforming to this
(American) society's laws?
And would you do so quietly?
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and t
The problem is we're too afraid. We're afraid of being called racist. We're
afraid of being called sexist. We're afraid people saying we discriminate
based on religion. We've become so wallowed in guilt and fear that we allow
the most insane things to just slide by. I've seen nationwide news of
ter
So? F*** em.
Let them prove the law is unfair or targeting them through the
established legal systems.
On 01/04/2008, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The problem with that concept is that in "civilized" societies those
> with extreme views and practices cry foul when laws are e
> There are models to follow, and I can perhaps use Trinidad as an
> example. There is a strong muslim population here and we don't have
> issues of wife killing etc. or any of the more radical things you read
> about. We haven't altered our laws to allow for any of these extreme
> acts either
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, that's the issue.
>
> If someone comes into a different society then regardless of what
> their own religious beliefs are they should be bound to follow the
> laws of that Society.
I agree. Now lets enforce that.
> There are
No, that's the issue.
If someone comes into a different society then regardless of what
their own religious beliefs are they should be bound to follow the
laws of that Society.
There are not as many laws as there are different religions, otherwise
I could start a religion tomorrow that allows a l
Judith was having a conversation the other night with someone and their take
on things was that we're arrogant for wanting to force our norms on others.
Things like no slavery, no pedophilia (child brides), no killing, etc. I
guess we can't force other countries to be civilized by our standards. Ev
> cHat wrote:
> You don't.
>
I dunno ... we had something similar to this in the 60s and 70s and we
used conspiracy and RICO laws (and now hate law) to fight it. That
would work with Islam save for one factor: it hasn't been easy to
infiltrate the networks.
What's happening is seems simple - alt
> If you want to see an example of this in action, look at where America
> stands now on the issues of race and equality. It's been a couple of
> generations and now we have a woman and black man as candidates for
> President. When this country was formed, women could not vote and few
> if a
You don't.
There are a few ways to bring peace to Islam.
* One involves beating them into submission and making every threat of
resistance or retaliation a capital offense that extends to the family
beyond the offender... but too many are used to that already.
* Another is to promote and protect t
How do you do that without strangling and clamping down on the
religion as a whole?
How do you pass laws or enforce laws aimed at Islam specifically
without being discriminatory?
On 01/04/2008, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Find a way to remove the violence.
~
> I agree with her that Islam is still in a very primitive state, and
> hasn't had the time to evolve the way Christianity or even Hinduism
> has evolved. All these religions have their fanatical roots, and their
> horrific histories attached to them.
You bring this up all the time, I'd like to
I agree with her that Islam is still in a very primitive state, and
hasn't had the time to evolve the way Christianity or even Hinduism
has evolved. All these religions have their fanatical roots, and their
horrific histories attached to them.
However in a world where we have nuclear weapons, biol
Wow, have you all seen these videos from Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Islam and the
West?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3BBLt6bLMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkHxpZfHd4c
Amazing stuff. Two things I noted in particular. Gruss, you'll love this
first one. She says it was a mistake for the US to declar
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