RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Jim Davis
2004 3:57 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face > Jim wrote: > But it's a good bet that those > countries, while being unable to challenge the action reasonably would have > still failed to fully support it. The way I view the situation, they were ready to

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jim wrote: > But it's a good bet that those > countries, while being unable to challenge the action reasonably would have > still failed to fully support it. The way I view the situation, they were ready to commit, but wanted to let the weapons inspectors finish. It seems to me that Mr. Bush al

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Jim Davis
CTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:58 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face It's funny that I was accused of being able to read the mind of Bush on another thread by Sam, yet, he is able to prognisticate what half the world would do. :) On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:40:10

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Ken Ketsdever
I believe by pointing this out you are now in violation of the Patriot Act. The next knock on your door will be Sam and the Feds. -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:58 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
It's funny that I was accused of being able to read the mind of Bush on another thread by Sam, yet, he is able to prognisticate what half the world would do. :) On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:40:10 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If Iraq did

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we > had even more proof then we had last year, France, > Russia and Germany still would not have supported the > war. Most Arab nation still wouldn't have supported > the war. I had no idea you were on

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And we know this to be the case because you say so? > > -Original Message- > From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we > had even more proof then we had last year, France, > Russia and Germa

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Jim Davis
AIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 1:31 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face America first and then the global community. If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we had even more proof then we had last year, France, Russia and Germany still would

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Ken Ketsdever
: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:31 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face America first and then the global community. If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we had even more proof then we had last year, France, Russia and Germany still would not have supported the war

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Sam Morris
America first and then the global community. If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we had even more proof then we had last year, France, Russia and Germany still would not have supported the war. Most Arab nation still wouldn't have supported the war. -sm --- Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTE

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Jim Davis
- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:44 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face --- Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That sentence clearly places the approval for action > before world testament. > We "d

Re: Spin Rant (was Bin Laden shows his ugly face)

2004-11-01 Thread Jim Davis
[Sorry - list messages didn't come through for me today.] First off I honestly (really) didn't ever mean to intimate that you, Sam were "simple". I wrote the message after 3am and may have misspoke - there was truly nothing personal in there. I apologize if it seemed like a shot. I truly don'

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Jim Davis
L PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:59 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face We shouldn't have to "roughly predict". I agree with your assessment of Kerry, but why can't he spell it out as coherently? The second he uttered "global test",

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Sam Morris
--- Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That sentence clearly places the approval for action > before world testament. > We "did it" NOT "we're going to do it (if you > approve)". The Republicans > are painting the statement out of context and > intimating Kerry suggested > that the world com

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread G
We shouldn't have to "roughly predict". I agree with your assessment of Kerry, but why can't he spell it out as coherently? The second he uttered "global test", he should of had his criteria readyundecided voters don't like roughly predicting. So you are right that his words are being spun out

Spin Rant (was Bin Laden shows his ugly face)

2004-11-01 Thread Jim Davis
Just to make my position clear on all of this: I'm not at all pleased with the way either candidate is spinning. (I know... you're all dying for me to make my position clear. It's been eating at you like a grub. "When is Jim finally going to clear things up so I can get back to my life!" you moa

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Ken Ketsdever
. -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 7:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Bin Laden shows his ugly face Bin Laden has now showed his ugly face in a new video, reminding US voters who our real enemies are. We'll see how the story develops

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Spin. > > He said "and you can prove to the world that you did > it for legitimate reasons" Ok, but I think if edit the tapes right he also says that he want to hug Hussein. ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Mac

RE: Spin Rant (was Bin Laden shows his ugly face)

2004-11-01 Thread Sam Morris
Jim, I understand and respect your decision. But I don't agree. You seem to trust spinsanity too much. When I read that site I see most of it is against Bush with a few mild digs against Kerry to make it look balanced. I don't think it is. That's fine. But please don't call me simple for not fol

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:19 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face > Spin. > He said "and you can prove to the world that you did > it for legitimate reasons" That sentence

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Sam Morris
Iraq shot at our planes everyday for years. On the eve of Clinton’s impeachment he bombs Iraq. I think Saddam might have laughed. As for Somalia, remember Black Hawk Down? Many believe that's what convinced Bin Laden that we were weak and could easily be attacked in our homeland. -sm --- Jim Da

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Sam Morris
it? Kerry voted against that war. So what do you think he considers proof? --- Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:01 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bin Lade

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:01 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face > I heard what he said clearly. You're trying to spin it > but it won't work. How could the statement, in fu

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > I heard what he said clearly. You're trying to spin it > but it won't work. No spin, here's the transcript: LEHRER: What is your position on the whole concept of preemptive war? KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That wa

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Sam Morris
I heard what he said clearly. You're trying to spin it but it won't work. --- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam wrote: > > There's also the global approval comment > > If you listen to or read the comment in context it's > clear that Mr. > Kerry used the term "global" as a synonym

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > I my original response was that his experience operating a boat in a war 30 > years ago doesn't make him a better leader today. It should make it easier > for him to relate to the troops, but this may be countered somewhat by his > stand when he left the service. It's a fact that

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > There's also the global approval comment If you listen to or read the comment in context it's clear that Mr. Kerry used the term "global" as a synonym for "all encompassing", not "world wide". The idea that he didn't is a flat out lie and you should stop perpetuating it.

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Andy Ousterhout
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:36 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face > Andy wrote: > just cause you back a paradigm that doesn't succeed > doesn't make you a bad CEO. Most experiments fail. When yo

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Jim Davis
iate threat that required immediate engagement without a long-term or exit strategy. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 2:38 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face There's also the global approval

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Sam Morris
o:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:52 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face > > >I think Mr. Bush said it best today, "Americans > will not be > >intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our > country. I'm sure

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > just cause you back a paradigm that doesn't succeed > doesn't make you a bad CEO. Most experiments fail. When you're diverting funds and resources from fully supporting your bread and butter, it does make you a bad CEO. Exploring adjacencies is fine, just make sure your main line

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Gruss, You've logic doesn't flow and none of it has anything to do with an MBA -- which is about as far away from the factory floor as you can get. Your first statement starts at the self-evident and moves quickly to fallacies. Growth doesn't always take time, but does take a market and distribut

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread dana tierney
the truism I like is: nothing happens until somebody sells something. In other words, all those inconvenient nitty-gritty details like product *do* matter. Dana On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:51:30 -0500, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andy wrote: > > Then he should rejoin the military at a l

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread dana tierney
I fail to see why Bush would be the default choice. He has yet to catch the guy after all. But I agree, let us not give this asshole legitimacy. Dana On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:51:40 -0400, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think Mr. Bush said it best today, "Americans will not be > >intim

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> Andy wrote: > Then he should rejoin the military at a lower level. The Best CEO's are not > those that know how to work the lathe. What school did you get your MBA from? The best CEOs are the ones that know the business, understand that growth takes time and partnerships, and can manage at eac

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Then he should rejoin the military at a lower level. The Best CEO's are not those that know how to work the lathe. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:28 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Jim Davis
: Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:28 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face > Jim wrote: > As far as terrorism goes I actually see very little difference between the > candidates. Lots of hunting, lots of killing. The difference is that Mr. Kerry has personally hunte

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jim wrote: > As far as terrorism goes I actually see very little difference between the > candidates. Lots of hunting, lots of killing. The difference is that Mr. Kerry has personally hunted and killed humans before, so he has a better instinct for what works and what doesn't.

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Jim Davis
M To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face >I think Mr. Bush said it best today, "Americans will not be >intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator >Kerry agrees with this." > >We should do nothing to indicate that Bin Lad

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
> Robert wrote: > But we have a few local issues in San Diego Do you do any biking? I've heard San Diego is great for it and supports biking to work, etc. I haven't been there in awhile though - any truth? ~| Purchase from Hous

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Robert Munn
>I think Mr. Bush said it best today, "Americans will not be >intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator >Kerry agrees with this." > >We should do nothing to indicate that Bin Laden has any influence in any way. Agreed. What I am suggesting is that the appearance of thi

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
> Robert wrote: > Bin Laden has now showed his ugly face. it could be lights out for John Kerry. It could be, or it could remind people that Bin Laden is still at large. Either way I hope that nobody changes their mind due to this guy - if they do, and polls show it, it will be a victory for Bi

Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Robert Munn
Bin Laden has now showed his ugly face in a new video, reminding US voters who our real enemies are. We'll see how the story develops over the last couple of days before the election, but it looks like it could be lights out for John Kerry. All the polls show Bush up by 15-20 points in who peopl