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don't mind me... I don't!
another Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Pat O [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE:
Mr or Mrs O:
I don't mean to be rude, but Michael has repeatedly asked you to identify
yourself and you have declined to do so, so I can only presume you are using
this list as your personal soapbox for certain issues. Am I wrong?
Patrick
>
> >Actually, on day one they were given far more than
> >Actually, on day one they were given far more than 10% of the lands that
> >israel now occupies. they refused it.
>
> But when you take out all the religious aspects of itIf you lived all
your life in a farm or a house, and someone came over and told you this
?>land was owned by our ancest
>Actually, on day one they were given far more than 10% of the lands that
>israel now occupies. they refused it.
But when you take out all the religious aspects of itIf you lived all your life in
a farm or a house, and someone came over and told you this land was owned by our
ancestors 2-3
Pat, if you'd like to read up on this phenomenon (Jewish refugees from Arab
countries), I suggest you look at this book:
http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0275971341/ref=cm_custrec_gl_rec/002-0302911-3070433
Title: Locked Doors: The Seizure of Jewish Property in Arab Countries
by Itamar Levin, Rache
ce to look.
Judith
- Original Message -
From: "Pat O"
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Breaking News : 12 Killed in Israel, hundreds injured
> I dont recall hundred of thousands of jews exiled from arab countri
...
> No, from day one they should have accepted the existence of Israel, gotten
> their own state on the other 10% of the mandate given to them and left
well
> enough alone. Either that or settled on the 80% of the mandate that is now
> Jordan.
Actually, on day one they were given far more tha
information on this from historical sources, but I
haven't had a chance to look.
Judith
- Original Message -
From: "Pat O" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Breaking
I dont recall hundred of thousands of jews exiled from arab countries
where did these Jews settle ? in Israel ? how did they get there ? did arab countries
provide safe paths for them ? i read the history of Israel and dont recal anywhere any
hundred of the thousands of Jews exiled from arab c
No, from day one they should have accepted the existence of Israel, gotten
their own state on the other 10% of the mandate given to them and left well
enough alone. Either that or settled on the 80% of the mandate that is now
Jordan.
Or maybe they could exchange property with the hundreds of thous
Well thats what is kinda boils down to...except...
When Israel was created, the Palestinians should have from day one all left, the
majority who were not living in the west bank and gaza where not forced to leave, if
they would have forced all the Palestinians to leave from day one, Israel woul
Retired U.S. Army officer Ralph Peters wrote an article in the Wall Street
Journal over two months ago, on July 27, that appears to be just as
appropriate today. Excerpts:
"Why are Palestinian terrorists allowed to target civilians without
exciting an international outcry, while every accidenta
Sorry, wrong metaphor again. Jews have no problem with Islam. Its more like:
Let us live in peace (creation of israel)
No we think you should be dead (arabs invade)
We're not dying (israel wins)
We'll try again (arabs invade)
We're not dying (israel wins)
We'll try again (arabs invade)
repeat
>
The only reason the UN exists is so that international heads of cheese can
park somewhere with out getting a parking ticket...
At 06:08 PM 10/7/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>At 06:06 PM 10/7/02, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> >And the UN will still be blaming the Jews for that fighting as well. :)
> >(Yes,
> > Okay, this is going to sound really ignorant. But, can anyone
> > point me to a
> > website that can give me the Cliff Note's version of the whole
> > Israel/Palestine issue?
>
> Sure, here's the cliff notes on the whole thing:
>
> http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~dmcco01/McCoy/diversion.h
At 06:06 PM 10/7/02, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>And the UN will still be blaming the Jews for that fighting as well. :)
>(Yes, I think the UN sucks something that I will not mention on this list
>due to its overwhelming disgusting-ness)
So, do you the UN should be abolished? What would you replace
And the UN will still be blaming the Jews for that fighting as well. :)
(Yes, I think the UN sucks something that I will not mention on this list
due to its overwhelming disgusting-ness)
> True, but wars have fought over the land of the Middle East between
Hebrews
> and the other peoples as long
At 05:42 PM 10/7/02, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>Actually, its not till the 7th century when any sort of institutional hate
>for Jews comes along from the Arabs and that's in the Koran. "Make peace for
>them and a few years later when your strong enough come back and kill them"
>is just a single but
Actually, its not till the 7th century when any sort of institutional hate
for Jews comes along from the Arabs and that's in the Koran. "Make peace for
them and a few years later when your strong enough come back and kill them"
is just a single but telling example. Before that the violence wasn't
At 05:02 PM 10/7/02, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>Could be, but as primary wife she had every right (all 'God said' besides).
Perhaps so, but I doubt if that prevented the secondary wife from being
very angry and teaching her children to hate.
_
The conflict isn't one that works well with cliff notes. Even your summery
left out some important points. Best way to know what's up with it is to
actually read through it all. :)
Actually, I have a small booklet from someone who's title sounds biased but
is a really good examination of the issue
> Okay, this is going to sound really ignorant. But, can anyone
> point me to a
> website that can give me the Cliff Note's version of the whole
> Israel/Palestine issue?
Sure, here's the cliff notes on the whole thing:
http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~dmcco01/McCoy/diversion.html
Adam.
___
Could be, but as primary wife she had every right (all 'God said' besides).
> At 04:42 PM 10/7/02, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> >Well, actually it starts with creation, but for this specific conflict we
> >have to pick a more modern time. The links I sent deal in the 1800's and
on.
> >An easier dat
Killed in Israel, hundreds injured
Okay, this is going to sound really ignorant. But, can anyone point me to a
website that can give me the Cliff Note's version of the whole
Israel/Palestine issue?
__
Structure your ColdF
Whew. Thanks, Michael. (Though, those aren't exactly the cliff notes. ;) )
The cliff notes for the early years would run more like this (I think):
Originally: Palestine was a chunk of land (Southern Syria) occupied by both
Jews and Arabs, loosely belonging to the Ottoman Empire, who were absentee
At 04:42 PM 10/7/02, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>Well, actually it starts with creation, but for this specific conflict we
>have to pick a more modern time. The links I sent deal in the 1800's and on.
>An easier date to deal with by far.
I think it actually started when Sarah ran Hagar out of the te
Well, actually it starts with creation, but for this specific conflict we
have to pick a more modern time. The links I sent deal in the 1800's and on.
An easier date to deal with by far.
> Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> > Well, it all depends on the point of view and where to start it. Do you
> > sta
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> Well, it all depends on the point of view and where to start it. Do you
> start with Britain giving away 4/5 of the Palestinian mandate to Jordan?
> With the creation of Israel and its immediate invasion? With Oslo and the
> agreement to negotiate and not fight?
Of cours
Well, it all depends on the point of view and where to start it. Do you
start with Britain giving away 4/5 of the Palestinian mandate to Jordan?
With the creation of Israel and its immediate invasion? With Oslo and the
agreement to negotiate and not fight?
I've included a few links below:
The Pal
Okay, this is going to sound really ignorant. But, can anyone point me to a
website that can give me the Cliff Note's version of the whole
Israel/Palestine issue? I honestly can't keep it all straight and would like
to have a better understanding of why people say things like:
"the rate Sharon is
Pat O wrote:
> I think we are both on the same side here, if that question was directed to
>mebut Israel does deliberately target civilans and they did and they will always
>do, and i dont blame them for it.
I wonder, if Al Qaeda deliberately targets American citizens, do you
blame them fo
> I think we are both on the same side here, if that question was directed
to mebut Israel does deliberately target civilans and they did and
?>they will always do, and i dont blame them for ityou fight terror with
terror, Hamas kills 10 innocent civilans, Israel always hits back and kills
- my work here is done.
> --
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pat O [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:26 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Breaking News : 12 Killed in Israel, hundreds injured
> >
> >
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Pat O [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:26 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Breaking News : 12 Killed in Israel, hun
Looks like there's a big difference in how the event is seen from where it
happened (Israel) and how the rest of the world is reporting it (based on PA
reports)
http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=31241
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A battle between terrorists and soldiers resulted in some innocents being
killed. A battle where the terrorists had no compunction against standing
within gatherings of their own peoples. Personally, I'm just glad that
Israel has a moral center and is not Russia:
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/ic
- my work here is done.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Pat O [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:26 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Breaking News : 12 Killed in Israel, hundreds injured
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&a
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=716&e=3&u=/ap/20021007/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians
"Israeli legislator Haim Ramon, head of parliament's Defense and Foreign Affairs
Committee, said Monday's raid was harmful to Israel's international standing. "These
operations must be done wit
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