Priestly jeans?
now they have holy Levi's ??
what do they have, a stiff white belt ?
;-)
> I don't understand the question. How should I feel?
>
>
> > now mike
> > how would you as a Jew feel about others who have that priestly jean in
> them
> > who are Christian or Moslem now..
> >
> > but st
> genetically, he wasn't (unless he had Jewish relatives in his past) but as
a
> convert he would be treated as if he was. Of course, I'm not sure on how
he
> was converted so I can't speak of it directly. I can speak of some people
> who I know as converts and I can tell you that at least in one
> When I have forms to fill out, I don't put down White for race/ethnicity.
I put down Jewish.
hey! me too!
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Thursday, October 10, 2002, 10:49:06 PM, you wrote:
>> now mike
>> how would you as a Jew feel about others who have that priestly jean in
MD> them
>> who are Christian or Moslem now..
>>
>> but still believe in the same god.
I don't understand the question. How should I feel?
> now mike
> how would you as a Jew feel about others who have that priestly jean in
them
> who are Christian or Moslem now..
>
> but still believe in the same god.
> and who still observe the seasons correctly..
>
> ??
>
> : ]
>
> -paul
>
>
>
now mike
how would you as a Jew feel about others who have that priestly jean in them
who are Christian or Moslem now..
but still believe in the same god.
and who still observe the seasons correctly..
??
: ]
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some of the Jewish people
> > > that I know think one way and some think the other...nothing wrong
with
> > that.
> > >
> > > I should also ask my father-in-law what he thinks (he is a Russian Jew
> > although he's not religious).
&g
not religious).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -
> > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 200
> Thats probably because most Xtians can't seem to get past the "but its a
> religion" thing.
>
> Even the most orthodox jew knows that a person whose mother is jewish is a
> jew.
Beth, I think you may be making the mistake in assuming I'm Christian. I'm
mildly familiar with Jewish customs. I ha
Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:25 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
>
>
>
> No disrespect but that's the most asinine thing I've ever heard and I've
> said so wh
Man Mikey, I just read that you're of the Chosen people. I dont feel very
special :-(
-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:25 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
No disrespect but that's the mo
No disrespect but that's the most asinine thing I've ever heard and I've
said so whenever this argument was presented. You can not claim to be
anything you want to be as there are 'rules' governing belonging to any
group. Can I be black? No. I don't have any known ancestors that are black.
Can I b
Exactly home boy! Now I didn't say that others would accept you like
that, but you can claim to be whatever you want to be.
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>So according to that I can claim to be a Christian as well as a black man
>and its true because I believe it? Cool. I'm heading over to hang wi
So according to that I can claim to be a Christian as well as a black man
and its true because I believe it? Cool. I'm heading over to hang with the
crips right now!
> Beth F wrote:
>
> >>Was Sammy Davis Jr. of the Jewish race? He converted to Judaism.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >To me, he was the jewish r
says he saw the superstar
inject "some sort of fluid" in 1985."
Dan
-Original Message-
From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Caucasian Jews
I have recently been enraptured by studying
e.
>
> Kevin Graeme
>
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:18 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
> >
> >
> > That's because race has
eresting...
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
>
>
> > This is actually amusing
n-law what he thinks (he is a Russian Jew
although he's not religious).
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday,
When I have forms to fill out, I don't put down White for race/ethnicity. I put down
Jewish.
Judith
- Original Message -
From: "Candace Cottrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:45 PM
S
erican, Asian/Pcific
Islander,
Other.
(Choose one)
:)
-Original Message-
From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
Beth F wrote:
>>Was Sammy Davis Jr. of the Jewish race? He converte
> Actually, PERSONALLY I think that while a person is of Jewish heritage,
they
> aren't really Jewish unless they practice Judaism as in the religion.
Thats probably because most Xtians can't seem to get past the "but its a
religion" thing.
Even the most orthodox jew knows that a person whose mo
02 11:02 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
Beth F wrote:
>>Was Sammy Davis Jr. of the Jewish race? He converted to Judaism.
>>
>>
>
>To me, he was the jewish religion.
>
>
Isn't this what it all boils down to. You are what you think you are.
It&
appreciate that people
have a cultural heritage and are proud of that. I'm in now way trying to
slight you nor your personal identity.
Kevin Graeme
> -Original Message-
> From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:50 AM
> To: CF-Communi
> Isn't this what it all boils down to. You are what you think you are.
> It's all in how you view yourself or who you want to align with. I
> could call myself jewish right now. You could argue that I'm not, but
> that wouldn't affect how I view myself.
I can claim I am of black heritage
Beth F wrote:
>>Was Sammy Davis Jr. of the Jewish race? He converted to Judaism.
>>
>>
>
>To me, he was the jewish religion.
>
>
Isn't this what it all boils down to. You are what you think you are.
It's all in how you view yourself or who you want to align with. I
could call myself j
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Caucasian Jews
> Judith, I'm not contending the cultural identity of being Jewish and I
know
> from personal experience that there are many non-religious Jews. I was
> simpl
> Was Sammy Davis Jr. of the Jewish race? He converted to Judaism.
To me, he was the jewish religion.
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> In my definition of race, it is your genetic makeup. In other words, I
have German, Irish and Czech ancestors so those
> three lineages comprise my race (although, I guess you could also call me
caucasian). Since race cannot be changed but
> religion can, I guess that's one reason that my frie
> Sometimes I am.
I doubt that.
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: -Original Message-
: From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:10 AM
: To: CF-Community
: Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
:
:
: Interestingly enough, dictionary.com gets so general as to define race as:
: Humans considered as a g
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
> Interestingly enough, dictionary.com gets so general as to define race as:
> Humans considered as a group.
>
> So, by that definition, every religion would also be a race, wouldn't it? I
> mean, those metho
Interestingly enough, dictionary.com gets so general as to define race as:
Humans considered as a group.
So, by that definition, every religion would also be a race, wouldn't it? I
mean, those methodists I grew up with sure thought of themselves as a group,
and the lutherans recognized them as a
You're right, it can get pretty confusing. And oftentimes unintentionally humorous, as
Michael noted.
Judith
- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Graeme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002
Judith, I'm not contending the cultural identity of being Jewish and I know
from personal experience that there are many non-religious Jews. I was
simply trying to interject a point about the misnomer of this thing we call
"race".
To be pedantic, I wouldn't call it a nationality either. Isreali i
So call it nationality. The point is, the thing that makes a Jew a Jew, even if he or
she doesn't practice the religion, has to do with whether or not his or her mother is
a Jew, or whether or not the person in question converted to Judaism (a true
conversion). This is the traditional view by J
ugh personally, I am of the human race and I see any
further distinctions as furthering the "us and them" mentality that causes
social strife.
Kevin Graeme
> -Original Message-
> From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:18 AM
>
o: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
> This is actually amusing. Someone converts to Judaism and is in all ways as
> if he was born to a Jewish mother in the eyes of someone religious but he
> doesn't f
gt;
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
> As far as I know, I am JEWISH and have no religion
> so you must be wrong.
>
> you can't pass a religion via the blood of the mother.
_
thinks (he is a Russian Jew although he's
not religious).
Regards,
Howie
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
>
ty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
> That's because race has been used all too often as an excuse for anti-semitism, so
>many Jews are uncomfortable with
the word. Think about it. If we're not a race, the whole "
I'm usually the calm one. :)
(and I get far less sleep than she does)
> Sometimes I am.
>
> > how in the world do you take care of kids when you guys stay up till 3
> > am?
> > i would be zombie bitch mommy from hell
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- Original Message -
From: "BethF in AK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Caucasian
when you guys stay up till 3
> am?
> i would be zombie bitch mommy from hell
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:58 P
> > I consider you Jewish, period. Badly is a judgment call that I'm not
> > equipped to make. Only God can do that. At least the way I see it.
>
>
> its always been one of my issues with religious folks - if something is a
> crime against God isn't it HIS job to deal with it?
Exactly.
> What are
er 09, 2002 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
> The same thing I'm doing up at 3 am. Working. He's on a contract; I'm
doing the community suite.
>
> I'm going to pay for this in the morning. Oh, wait, it is the morning!
>
> Judith
>
> > .
> > > I cons
The same thing I'm doing up at 3 am. Working. He's on a contract; I'm doing the
community suite.
I'm going to pay for this in the morning. Oh, wait, it is the morning!
Judith
> .
> > I consider you Jewish, period. Badly is a judgment call that I'm not
> > equipped to make. Only God can do that
.
> I consider you Jewish, period. Badly is a judgment call that I'm not
> equipped to make. Only God can do that. At least the way I see it.
its always been one of my issues with religious folks - if something is a
crime against God isn't it HIS job to deal with it?
What are you doing up at 3
> > This is actually amusing. Someone converts to Judaism and is in all ways
> as
> > if he was born to a Jewish mother in the eyes of someone religious but
he
> > doesn't fit into the 'Jewish race' box of Beth. I'm not knocking you
Beth,
> I
> > just find the reversal of normal roles to be very a
> This is actually amusing. Someone converts to Judaism and is in all ways
as
> if he was born to a Jewish mother in the eyes of someone religious but he
> doesn't fit into the 'Jewish race' box of Beth. I'm not knocking you Beth,
I
> just find the reversal of normal roles to be very amusing.
> Th
This is actually amusing. Someone converts to Judaism and is in all ways as
if he was born to a Jewish mother in the eyes of someone religious but he
doesn't fit into the 'Jewish race' box of Beth. I'm not knocking you Beth, I
just find the reversal of normal roles to be very amusing.
There is som
> But Beth, if you convert to the Jewish religion, you automatically become
part of the Jewish race. You get the national/cultural as well >as the
religious aspects of it. That's the whole meaning of Mikvah (immersion in
the ritual bath) -- it's as if you've become a new person, >and have
connecte
October 09, 2002 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
> AFAIK, begin Jewish is not a race, it's a religion. I thought that
Israelis were semites, which is a race.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Beth F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
That's because race has been used all too often as an excuse for anti-semitism, so
many Jews are uncomfortable with the word. Think about it. If we're not a race, the
whole "purity of the races" notion doesn't hold water, and there goes another excuse.
> Hmmm...I'm not disagreeing with you at a
uot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
>
>
> >
> > The simple answer:
> > If your mother is jewish, then you are jewish, like it or not.
> > If you convert to judaism, you are also jewish.
> &g
ds,
Howie
- Original Message -
From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: Caucasian Jews
> There's an element of race as well as religion, Howie. Or call
There's an element of race as well as religion, Howie. Or call it nationality instead.
That's how a Jew can be considered Jewish even if he/she never practices his or her
religion. He's Jewish by birth, not by practice. That's what she means by race.
Technically, all Jews are semites, no?
Judi
But Beth, if you convert to the Jewish religion, you automatically become part of the
Jewish race. You get the national/cultural as well as the religious aspects of it.
That's the whole meaning of Mikvah (immersion in the ritual bath) -- it's as if you've
become a new person, and have connected
AFAIK, begin Jewish is not a race, it's a religion. I thought that Israelis were
semites, which is a race.
Regards,
Howie
- Original Message -
From: "Beth F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09,
> This is what I never understood. I thought that the "original" Jews
closely
> resembled Arabs more than they do Caucasians. But how come there are
> Caucasian Jews? Did they pick up the religion in Europe?
>
> Are you a Jew if you practice Judaism? Or are you a Jew
that the "original" Jews
closely
> resembled Arabs more than they do Caucasians. But how come there are
> Caucasian Jews? Did they pick up the religion in Europe?
Well, there are converts, rapes of Jewish women by europeans and others
during the middle ages and genetic drift.
> Ar
This is what I never understood. I thought that the "original" Jews closely
resembled Arabs more than they do Caucasians. But how come there are
Caucasian Jews? Did they pick up the religion in Europe?
Are you a Jew if you practice Judaism? Or are you a Jew if you're
genetic
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