Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-20 Thread Dana Tierney
state if the union speech. >Seriously. > >Some people were escorted out of a PRIVATE event. > >The SS arrested them fro breaking the law. > >WOW. Get over it. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:204909 Ar

RE: ID Cards (Was re: Chavez Blacklists Critics)

2006-04-20 Thread Loathe
9:31 AM To: CF-Community Subject: ID Cards (Was re: Chavez Blacklists Critics) On 4/20/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think they are, and I think they would love to make it an RFID card > with your criminal and medical history on it. > > BTW I have several federal

ID Cards (Was re: Chavez Blacklists Critics)

2006-04-20 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On 4/20/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think they are, and I think they would love to make it an RFID card with > your criminal and medical history on it. > > BTW I have several federally issued IDs that aren't a passport. Of course I > volunteered to do the things for which they are is

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-20 Thread Loathe
itect, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: 202-228-8372 C: 703-300-3911 -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:39 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics > > > > > So then explain why picture

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-20 Thread Loathe
] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics Oh boo hoo. Let's get some perspective here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/267047_china18.html?source=rss On 4/19/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > aren't

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> > > > > So then explain why picture IDs are a bad thing :) > > > > > > > > > They aren't. > > > > > > > They are a means for the federal government to track your whereabouts, > > > the main reason I will always be against any kind of federal ID. > > > > Don't like passports, then? > > I don't nee

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Robert Munn
Oh boo hoo. Let's get some perspective here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/267047_china18.html?source=rss On 4/19/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > aren't there enought stories like this one floating around: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9703-2004Sep

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
loper > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > W: 202-228-8372 > C: 703-300-3911 > -Original Message- > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:29 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics > > i was referring to protest

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > We all know that neo-cons are just dressed up big government liberals, in > better suits. And ... who don't like s3x. Don't forget that part. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:204788 Ar

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Loathe
8372 C: 703-300-3911 -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:29 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics i was referring to protesters. On 4/19/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bush detains

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread G
> Bush detains killers and terrorists. > > You don't see Michael Moore in gitmo, now do you? No, but I'd paid to. I'd like to see him try to go on a hunger strike. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
CTED] > W: 202-228-8372 > C: 703-300-3911 > -Original Message- > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:19 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics > > every time I see this subject line: >

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Loathe
2006 3:19 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics every time I see this subject line: "Chavez Blacklists Critics", I think yea, but "Bush Detains Critics" -- America spells competition, join us in our blind ambition get yourself a brand new motor car. And s

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
every time I see this subject line: "Chavez Blacklists Critics", I think yea, but "Bush Detains Critics" -- America spells competition, join us in our blind ambition get yourself a brand new motor car. And someday soon we'll stop to ponder what on earth's this spell

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Loathe
Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:45 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics > They are a means for the federal government to track your whereabouts, > the main reason I will always be against any kind of federal ID. Don't

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> They are a means for the federal government to track your whereabouts, the > main reason I will always be against any kind of federal ID. Don't like passports, then? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:2

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Sam
Picture id, not federal ID. Like the one needed to get on a plane. I noticed in many states, besides NY, you need a picture ID to use a credit card. On 4/19/06, Loathe wrote: > I disagree. > > They are a means for the federal government to track your whereabouts, the > main reason I will always b

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Loathe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:19 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics > So then explain why picture IDs are a bad thing :) They aren't. And Rush saying Democrats saying they are doesn't make it so. -- will "If my life weren

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Loathe
C: 703-300-3911 -Original Message- From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:11 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics > So how about that Diebold huh? don't worry about it Viv; see, according to Sam a Republican CEO can

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Sam
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200604/POL20060418b.html Democrats Will Appeal Ruling on Indiana's Voter ID Law By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Senior Editor April 18, 2006 (CNSNews.com) - A federal court has upheld an Indiana law requiring people to show a government-is

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Sam
It's a conspiracy a giant conspiracy. For once take your fukin head out of your ass and look around. Did he say: "everything in his power" to secure said re-election." or: "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year. " This was a republican fund raising l

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread William Bowen
> So then explain why picture IDs are a bad thing :) They aren't. And Rush saying Democrats saying they are doesn't make it so. -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~~

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread William Bowen
> So how about that Diebold huh? don't worry about it Viv; see, according to Sam a Republican CEO can publicly proclaim his company's support for a Republican re-election campaign, pledging to do "everything in his power" to secure said re-election. Now apparently despite the company's best effor

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Sam
So then explain why picture IDs are a bad thing :) On 4/19/06, Dana Tierney wrote: > why do you keep quoting Rush at me when you know I have no respect for the > man? It definitely doesn't prove anything. > > >"For crying out loud: you can't go anywhere anymore without a photo > >ID, but for some

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Vivec
So how about that Diebold huh? On 4/19/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "For crying out loud: you can't go anywhere anymore without a photo > ID, but for some reason you ought to be able to vote for a Democrat > without one." ~~~

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Dana Tierney
I understand it -- looked into it quite carefully at one point. It doesn't address the fundamental issue however. More on this later, have another deadline. >> Dana wrote: >> I am, actually. >> > >Then you don't understand it. SOX won't prevent all of the problems >that go along with capitalism

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Dana Tierney
why do you keep quoting Rush at me when you know I have no respect for the man? It definitely doesn't prove anything. >"For crying out loud: you can't go anywhere anymore without a photo >ID, but for some reason you ought to be able to vote for a Democrat >without one." > >"Indiana's Republican m

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Sam
"For crying out loud: you can't go anywhere anymore without a photo ID, but for some reason you ought to be able to vote for a Democrat without one." "Indiana's Republican majority legislature passed a law requiring photo ID at the polls last year as part of an effort to reduce voter fraud, but th

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Robert Munn
Wow, we agree again. On 4/19/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On the whole, corporations are the best thing to happen to world since > democracy. They employ millions and provide them with good paying > jobs that work around their private lives and give them a ladder to > climb. >

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-19 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > I am, actually. > Then you don't understand it. SOX won't prevent all of the problems that go along with capitalism, but helps. The whole "corporations are evil" argument is ridiculous. It's like saying New Mexico is evil because there's a guy who knocked over a liquor store, or

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Dana Tierney
I am, actually. >apparently you are not acquainted with the hell that is Sarbanes-Oxley. > >On 4/18/06, Dana Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:204672 Archives: http

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Robert Munn
apparently you are not acquainted with the hell that is Sarbanes-Oxley. On 4/18/06, Dana Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > strict financial dislosure rules? Multinational corporations? What the > hell are you smoking? > > >I don't agree with nationalization, though. I would have a responsible

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Dana Tierney
wait a minute. What debacle are we speaking of please? >This is part of the issue that led to the debacle the other night. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:204635 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Dana Tierney
strict financial dislosure rules? Multinational corporations? What the hell are you smoking? >I don't agree with nationalization, though. I would have a responsible >foreign entity partner with Venezuelan firms- someone like BP, Exxon, etc. >that has strict financial disclosure rules they have to

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
> Vivec wrote: > I don't see the Nationalisation of enterprises which utilise the > countries non - renewable resources to be a bad thing. > This is part of the utopian fantasy and willful ignorance that is socialism. Nationalism is simply the most inefficient and unfair use of resources. The wi

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Robert Munn
Having known some of the people who owned all that stuff, I have to say they brought it on themselves. Just as in the rest of Latin America (including Mexico) a handful of elites have controlled the country and hoarded all the wealth for themselves. I don't agree with nationalization, though. I wo

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Robert Munn
I thought you were saying it was a double standard to criticize Chavez and not Bush. All I am saying is that it is ok to criticize or praise anyone you like. That's all. Sorry, I don't know much about Christian attitudes. I didn't understand why work was so empty on Friday until someone pointed ou

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Dana Tierney
I am not talking about the Electoral College. I am in favor of the Electoral College. I have major questions about the integrity of the last two elections and perhaps even the preceding ones too, who knows... I am definitely worried about the next one. I was very glad that New Mexico went back

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Dana Tierney
admit you'd be sad if I didn't argue with you :) Actually, apart from a couple of issues, you and I often agree though. But that wasn't a threat, merely a musing on time-management and serenity-preservation :) > Oo, do it! That'll show us.

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread G
> That's a rather simplistic view of it, considering there are many, > many factors that led to the rise of the US as a Superpower that has > nothing to do with its choice of system of government or economy. > > Your statement about 'when venezuela's economy needs a recorrect' is > again total spec

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Vivec
That's a rather simplistic view of it, considering there are many, many factors that led to the rise of the US as a Superpower that has nothing to do with its choice of system of government or economy. Your statement about 'when venezuela's economy needs a recorrect' is again total speculation. A

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread G
> The failure of the Bush Economy has been described in several > financial reports and is happening CURRENTLY.The projected failure is > also based on this current negative economic status and the present > ongoing war in Iraq, and possibly elsewhere soon if one is to believe > the rhetoric from t

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Vivec
Great to hear *chuckle* You really need to see someone about your aggression by the way, and I'm being serious. Cheers. On 4/18/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wrong answer bubba. > > First, don't tell me what I think. Good way to start a fight. > > Second, I don't support state ownership

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Vivec
Chavez has not shown himself to be unstable at all.More disparaging remarks and propaganda with absolutely no substance. The failure of the Bush Economy has been described in several financial reports and is happening CURRENTLY.The projected failure is also based on this current negative economic

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Loathe
will never agree on, and I'm done with this now. -- Timothy Heald Analyst, Architect, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: 202-228-8372 C: 703-300-3911 -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:07 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blackl

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread G
>I don't see the Nationalisation of enterprises which utilise the > countries non - renewable resources to be a bad thing. And that's your first problem. > Those 'private industries' were not owned by venezuelans, and they > were not acting in the intersts of venezuela. A lot of them got their >

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Vivec
I don't see the Nationalisation of enterprises which utilise the countries non - renewable resources to be a bad thing. Those 'private industries' were not owned by venezuelans, and they were not acting in the intersts of venezuela. A lot of them got their holdings under suspicious circumstances f

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Loathe
3-300-3911 -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:33 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics And when that happens we'll say you are right. But until then it isn't happening, the country is experiencing record g

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Loathe
othy Heald Analyst, Architect, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: 202-228-8372 C: 703-300-3911 -Original Message- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:55 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics Am I ripping? Thought I was the one saying live

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Loathe
election, big deal, most presidents don't. -- Timothy Heald Analyst, Architect, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: 202-228-8372 C: 703-300-3911 -Original Message- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:35 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread G
> because we already spend a huge amount of bandwidth on Venezuala? I may > have to quit reading at the archives and go back to email, just so I can > set filters. I don't understand the obsession with Venezuela. I am > beginning to wonder if they are in line behind Iran; the net country to be

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > I may have to quit reading at the archives and go back to email, just so I > can set filters. Oo, do it! That'll show us. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:204435 Archives: http://www.h

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-18 Thread Vivec
And when that happens we'll say you are right. But until then it isn't happening, the country is experiencing record growth and he is reversing a lot of the harm which has been done by previous regimes. All you have to back your claims are propaganda and speculation. And yes, I am quite aware tha

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Dana Tierney
Am I ripping? Thought I was the one saying live and let live. Used ot be considered a Christian attitude, once upon a time. >no double standard. you are free to rip away. because we live in a free >country. ;-) > >On 4/17/06, Dana Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >-- >--- >Robert

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Robert Munn
no double standard. you are free to rip away. because we live in a free country. ;-) On 4/17/06, Dana Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am not surprised by much any more. But for me the key word is, they > *elected* him. If I am supposed to back off GW because he was allegedly > elected, wh

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Dana Tierney
I am not surprised by much any more. But for me the key word is, they *elected* him. If I am supposed to back off GW because he was allegedly elected, why does this not apply to Chavez, hmm? There seems to me a double standard there. >We spend a lot of time on Venezuela because it is a country h

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Robert Munn
We spend a lot of time on Venezuela because it is a country heading toward Castro-style socialism, which by the way has done nothing less than leave Cuba frozen in time. The Venezuelans elected Chavez, and when he decides to just rip up the Constitution and become dictator for life a-la Castro, no

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Tony
we are a nation of jaded constituents hell bent on change, and progress, yet thoroughly unimpressed with the lot of candidates that rise to the top of their party totem pole, and offer us nothing new and everything old and wrong. as a nation we are simply fed up and have a hard time believing ANYT

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Dana Tierney
mm. Stop hey what's that sound... Actually if you are finding the world surprising you are rather lucky. Lately it seems to me to be the same old shit repackaged, especially the news. God, I can't even call it that without retching. My problem is that I've bene lied to so much and so often tha

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Loathe
I'm surprised you feel this way Dana, but I've been surprised by a lot of things lately. Tim > -Original Message- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Dana Tierney
because we already spend a huge amount of bandwidth on Venezuala? I may have to quit reading at the archives and go back to email, just so I can set filters. I don't understand the obsession with Venezuela. I am beginning to wonder if they are in line behind Iran; the net country to be The Enemy

RE: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Loathe
generally will, you are a lot closer to him than we are. Tim > -Original Message- > From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:27 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics > > > *chuckle* > Sounds like B

Re: Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Vivec
*chuckle* Sounds like Bush launching vendettas and authorising the release of people's names to the press. Whatever happened to that Libby guy anyway? On 4/17/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chavez's Blacklist of Venezuelan Opposition Intimidates Voters > > April 17 (Bloomberg) -- In

Chavez Blacklists Critics

2006-04-17 Thread Gruss Gott
Chavez's Blacklist of Venezuelan Opposition Intimidates Voters April 17 (Bloomberg) -- In the two years since she signed a petition that forced a recall vote on President Hugo Chavez, Venezuelan lawyer Rocio San Miguel says she lost her government job, colleagues became afraid to talk to her, and