Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"and you believe they were rebelling against god choosing a leader for them vs rebelling against having a monarch?" I believe what? I don't recall saying anything like this. "Ok, so now you're admitting that the law against buying beer on Sunday probably doesn't have any basis in religion bec

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread zaphod
On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "so your evidence for your argument is that in some places, you cannot buy > beer on Sundays." > > No, it's no my evidence. It's just a fact. One in which you still cannot > give a reason for. > and neither can you. It's an obtuse law.

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"so your evidence for your argument is that in some places, you cannot buy beer on Sundays." No, it's no my evidence. It's just a fact. One in which you still cannot give a reason for. I can't figure out why you are so adamantly trying to defend the argument that Bible is no longer relevant to

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Sam
Bigotry is a hard battle and it seems only persistence can correct it. It doesn't always work but it's always worth the fight . On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Are you sure about that? Have any opinions changed? I could cite a > number of studies that have looked at t

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Are you sure about that? Have any opinions changed? I could cite a number of studies that have looked at this area, specifically motivated reasoning (look it up), but it would not change much if anything. But in essence you are just affirming your beliefs, not convincing anyone. On Tue, Feb 12,

RE: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Eric Roberts
l.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:25 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech "We were originally talking about how the law system is (or is not) based on the 10 commandments." No. We were originally discussing your statement:

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread zaphod
ahhh…ok….it's a long thread and I guess I didn't go back far enough. so your evidence for your argument is that in some places, you cannot buy beer on Sundays. what about recognition of a divorce….that seems to go against the religion. what about being allowed to work on Sunday? what about al

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The West Wing based a show on that joke" Yeah. I know. Even so, it's still pretty funny. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunne

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Sam
The West Wing based a show on that joke . On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > On the issue of the Bible and laws, I find the following pretty humorous: > > > > Dear Dr. Laura, > > Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have > learned a great de

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
On the issue of the Bible and laws, I find the following pretty humorous: Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"We were originally talking about how the law system is (or is not) based on the 10 commandments." No. We were originally discussing your statement: "The bible is not relevant to the workings of today society. " This led to the ten commandments. So, if you cannot buy beer on a Sunday befor

RE: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Eric Roberts
To: cf-community Subject: Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech On Feb 13, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > " I don't remember anything in the bible saying you couldn't buy beer > on Sunday? " > > Sure. But why is Sunday spec

RE: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Eric Roberts
The Domesday Book and the Magna Carta was based on Anglo Saxon common law...not Christian law... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:41 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Maureen
Sunday blue laws, for the most part, derive from the puritan laws based on their interpretation of the commandment to "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy". The first mention of worship on Sunday is a ruling from Emperor Constantine that the people observe the Sun's Day. This was issued while

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:10 AM, zaphod wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > > > > " I don't remember anything in the bible saying you couldn't buy beer on > > Sunday? " > > > > Sure. But why is Sunday special? > > Exactly, why is sunday special….My guess that whom

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread zaphod
On Feb 13, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > " I don't remember anything in the bible saying you couldn't buy beer on > Sunday? " > > Sure. But why is Sunday special? Exactly, why is sunday special….My guess that whomever made this law thought it was special. Why is beer special?

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
" I don't remember anything in the bible saying you couldn't buy beer on Sunday? " Sure. But why is Sunday special? "Beyond the mention of Sunday, what is the relation?" You tell me. You seem to be indicating that it has nothing to do with religion. "If we really passed laws based on judeo

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread zaphod
yeah, but what do you think it was based on? I don't remember anything in the bible saying you couldn't buy beer on Sunday? Beyond the mention of Sunday, what is the relation? People may think they're passing laws based on the 10 commandments and the bible, but they're only really passing th

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Sam
That says common laws are based on Christian laws We went full circle. . On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Rember that the Doom book was based on Germanic customs, as well as > incorporating the 10 commandments, Mosaic Code and the Christian code > of ethics. > http://e

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Sam
I'm sure you can find real issues because the Sabbath doesn't seem to be one. The Hebrew Bible doesn't specify whether it's the first or last day and the new testament says something about it being man's day. . On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Perhaps it is harsh. I think wh

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Rember that the Doom book was based on Germanic customs, as well as incorporating the 10 commandments, Mosaic Code and the Christian code of ethics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_book So yes the blue laws are based on common law. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: >

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I dont think the "no refrigerators can be sold on Sunday" law was based on English Common Law." What about no beer sales before 12:00 on Sundays? J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
The _structure_ of law is derived as you said (with some local innovations). Individual laws are not just derived from there, but from a combination of many places, usually following societal rules and religious rules that either the majority held in common, or that a minority could slide through

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Hypocrisy, thy name is The Church. No argument there." Which is serious problem for Churches. It's hard to convince some to come to church when hypocrisy is easily found in in churches. It may be an unfair standard though if you believe the doctrine that all are sinners. Church goers are sin

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Jerry, US law is derived from British Common Law. That comes from Alfred the Great's 9th century Doom book, which codified the laws of Kent, Wessex, Mercia with Germanic tribal customs and Jewish and Christian principles. So yr both wrong :P On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I just meant that "corruption" was a harsh (and seemingly judgmental) word to describe the shift of the Sabbath from Saturday to Saturday night to Sunday night over the course of 2000 years. Hypocrisy, thy name is The Church. No argument there. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:49 PM, LRS Scout wrote:

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread LRS Scout
I don't think corruption is a serious enough word for the crimes of the catholic church. On Feb 12, 2013 6:40 PM, "Maureen" wrote: > > Perhaps it is harsh. I think what bothers me is their insistence on exact > observation of certain laws, such as those they claim prohibit > homosexuality, yet

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Maureen
Perhaps it is harsh. I think what bothers me is their insistence on exact observation of certain laws, such as those they claim prohibit homosexuality, yet they can arbitrarily change the observation of the Sabbath to a different day of the week at their whim, and ignore more of the other laws co

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
"Corruption"? That is a pretty harsh statement. I guess I will leave this there. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://w

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Maureen
No, following their corruption of the Hebrew laws. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > So, following their interpretation of the 10 commandments? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http:/

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
So, following their interpretation of the 10 commandments? On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Maureen wrote: > > The distortion of the celebration of the Sabbath by Christian churches. > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson >wrote: > > > > > Then what are the Connecticut Blue L

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Maureen
The distortion of the celebration of the Sabbath by Christian churches. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > Then what are the Connecticut Blue Laws based on? > > (no banking or liquor sales on Sunday)? > ~~~

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Then what are the Connecticut Blue Laws based on? (no banking or liquor sales on Sunday)? On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Maureen wrote: > > No, I didn't miss the point. If our laws were based on the 10 > commandments, which they aren't, then stores would be closed on Saturday. > > On Tue

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Maureen
No, I didn't miss the point. If our laws were based on the 10 commandments, which they aren't, then stores would be closed on Saturday. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > Wow, you really missed that point. > > The point was that our laws are based on the 10 commandme

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Wow, you really missed that point. The point was that our laws are based on the 10 commandments. Not that the 10 commandments are the laws. My examples covered the first. Yours covered the second. (nana-nana-na-na) =) On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Sunday is not the

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Maureen
Sunday is not the Hebrew Sabbath. Almost everyone running for public office in the last election bore false witness by lying about their opponents. None are in jail, although perhaps they should be. As long a website called OMG exists, no one should be punished for taking the Lord's name in vain

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Maureen
Ever more interesting is that almost all of these derive from The Code of Hamarabbi, so they aren't even the original source of the laws. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:34 AM, zaphod wrote: > > really? Let's see > > 1. You shall have no other gods before me. --- nope, no laws about that > 2. Thou

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
" I would be curious as to how many jurors, who would be suspicious of someone who doesn't swear on the bible, have actually read the bible." Depends on what part of the country I suspect. In the Bible-belt, the percentage would be larger than the north or left coast. J - Ninety percent of po

RE: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Eric Roberts
No...people in courts do not...you watch too much TV... -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:38 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech "So, out of 10, we've g

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
But the Deists you refer to believed in Christ, they just didn't like how big religion presented him. . On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Several presidents probably were not christian - I don't think that > the first Adams was sworn into office with a bible. Jefferson

RE: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Eric Roberts
Our legal system has its roots in the pagan Anglo-Saxon common law...not the bible. -Original Message- From: zaphod [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:35 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech r

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread William Bowen
Way to pick fly shit out of pepper... ;-) On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Several presidents probably were not christian - I don't think that > the first Adams was sworn into office with a bible. Jefferson or > Washington, I forget which, was sworn into office with a

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Several presidents probably were not christian - I don't think that the first Adams was sworn into office with a bible. Jefferson or Washington, I forget which, was sworn into office with a law book. Look at how many were Deists or unaffiliated. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM, William Bowen wro

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread William Bowen
heh On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM, zaphod wrote: > > I bet you'll get some arguments that only 43 of those have been christian ;) > > > On Feb 12, 2013, at 1:00 PM, William Bowen wrote: > >> >> Jesus, I guess Christianity really is in danger of being expunged from >> America... I mean only 4

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
I bet you'll get some arguments that only 43 of those have been christian ;) On Feb 12, 2013, at 1:00 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > Jesus, I guess Christianity really is in danger of being expunged from > America... I mean only 44 of our last 44 Presidents have been > Christian... > > > > O

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread William Bowen
Jesus, I guess Christianity really is in danger of being expunged from America... I mean only 44 of our last 44 Presidents have been Christian... On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:45 AM, zaphod wrote: > > and actually, I was referring to the 3 as relevant, the rest of the commands > are not relevant

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
and actually, I was referring to the 3 as relevant, the rest of the commands are not relevant to our government regardless of whether there is a law relating to them or not. On Feb 12, 2013, at 12:44 PM, zaphod wrote: > Relevant, but still not the basis for our laws. At least not 70% of the

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
Relevant, but still not the basis for our laws. At least not 70% of the commands. As for the issue with the jury, it's all just a game of chess. It's anything you can do to win your case. You play to whatever jury you get. If that means you have to swear to a bible because that's what's ex

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
You used the words accurate and wrong so I figured clarification was needed. . On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:37 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Of course they arewhat are you expecting We are all just > theorists...testing out our theories, working on our knowledge > base...learning. If it's facts

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread GMoney
Of course they arewhat are you expecting We are all just theorists...testing out our theories, working on our knowledge base...learning. If it's facts that cannot be disputed that you are looking for, you won't find it in a scientific or philosophical discussion list like this one tends to

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Exactly. Without citing any research right now, so to avoid a temper tantrum from select members of the list, there's a relatively new theory called Motivating Reasoning that may explain that (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoning for a starter). On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, G

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
While I always read for accuracy, opinions are often just theories. . On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM, GMoney wrote: > > > Here's a test: When reading someone's response to you that is in direct > contradiction of what you have said, are you reading it to see if what he's > saying might be ac

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
We're arguing for: a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry. Nothing more . On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Very true. look at these debates. Are

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
You don't have to believe in the bible to know that it is a huge influence in our society. The idea of expunging it from our lives is to rob future generations of history and knowledge that brought us to where we are. Whether it's true are not doesn't matter in the large scheme of things, the fac

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread GMoney
I think a lot of times this is the case, especially on faceless discussion forums such as these. I know i've been guilty of it. You formulate an opinion, and then you work tirelessly to get it articulate and understood.but if it's confronted, it can be VERY difficult to stop, listen, and unde

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Very true. look at these debates. Are we arguing in the hopes of converting the other side, or are we arguing simply to affirm our own beliefs. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:25 AM, GMoney wrote: > > "People do not listen with the intent of understanding. They listen with > the intent of responding.

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
many states still have laws against commerce on Sundays, including banking and liquor sales. and bearing false witness sounds like perjury to me. And in Britain, as well as some other European countries, taking the Lords name in vain IS a crime (as is most disrespect to any religion) On Tue,

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"not irrellevant" That's all we need. "Swearing on the bible isn't required. Not all of our President's have done it. The biggest reason for swearing on it for a jury is to keep of modicum of trust with the jury." And I say keeping trust with the jury and the people of the nation is pretty i

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "So, out of 10, we've got 2 definitely and 1 possible. > > Are those irrelevant? > not irrellevant, not original either…more like Golden Rule-ish > > "Let's face it, the bible isn't the first place that came up with the idea > of 'you sho

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
Really G? . On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:25 AM, GMoney wrote: > > "People do not listen with the intent of understanding. They listen with > the intent of responding." > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.am

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"So, out of 10, we've got 2 definitely and 1 possible. Are those irrelevant? "Let's face it, the bible isn't the first place that came up with the idea of 'you shouldn't kill' and 'you shouldn't steal'" Are the documents that also had these hanging in court rooms across the country? Did the P

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread GMoney
bwahahai'd never seen it broke down like this.the 10 commandments actually kinda suck. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:34 AM, zaphod wrote: > > really? Let's see > > 1. You shall have no other gods before me. --- nope, no laws about that > 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven imag

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
really? Let's see 1. You shall have no other gods before me. --- nope, no laws about that 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image --- wow, hope there's not any laws against that….Catholics would all be in prison 3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy god in vain --- goddamn r

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"actually, I didn't watch/listen to the speech for that very reason. " Good for you. Trying to be consistent anyway. Of course, President Obama uses scriptures in a lot of his speeches, so at some time or another, you have probably witnessed this. "I didn't figure it would be anything more th

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread GMoney
"People do not listen with the intent of understanding. They listen with the intent of responding." On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:16 AM, zaphod wrote: > > Sam, your debating skills are impeccable. Did you learn to constantly > cast insults at your opponent in high school debate team or is that > s

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
And you are just awesome. A legend in your own mind. . On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:16 AM, zaphod wrote: > > Sam, your debating skills are impeccable. Did you learn to constantly cast > insults at your opponent in high school debate team or is that something self > taught? > ~

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
actually, I didn't watch/listen to the speech for that very reason. I didn't figure it would be anything more than a bunch of religious references. On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > This was the National Prayer Breakfast so religious overtones should be > expected. At the

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The bible is not relevant to the workings of today society. Trying to apply lessons from it is usually fruitless, on top of the notion that you can find support for any position you want to defend in the bible." Everyone whose paying attention knows this can't be true. The Ten Commandments are

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
Sam, your debating skills are impeccable. Did you learn to constantly cast insults at your opponent in high school debate team or is that something self taught? On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Sam wrote: > > You said: > "The bible is not relevant to the workings of today society. Trying > t

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
You said: "The bible is not relevant to the workings of today society. Trying to apply lessons from it is usually fruitless, on top of the notion that you can find support for any position you want to defend in the bible." "As for Chinese proverbs…probably not since there's not really a religion

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
Yes, I think I'll need to start signing my emails with: Zaphod the Intolerant -- As dubbed by Sam On Feb 12, 2013, at 9:59 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > tolerant: kowtow to his pronouncements. > > intolerant: question him. > > Its an easy formula. > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:45 AM,

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"No, I don't have an issue with a political candidate who's religious. It's just when they start framing their public policy in regards to their religion that's when I tune them out. " So, you tuned Dr. Carson out, who is not a politician, out when he mention proverbs though. Two of the prover

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
tolerant: kowtow to his pronouncements. intolerant: question him. Its an easy formula. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:45 AM, zaphod wrote: > > If you're referring to when you said "Generalites, like say someone > mentioning the bible…", then no, I don't consider that an answer to my > question.

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
I guess we're not done. I'll go down to your level. I said "You shouldn't tolerate everything, that would be too conflicting." That covers it. Now that I'm in the swamp, if the title was about Scientology and the speech started with Thetans I would not read it. I also would not make a post stati

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
No, I don't have an issue with a political candidate who's religious. It's just when they start framing their public policy in regards to their religion that's when I tune them out. The bible is not relevant to the workings of today society. Trying to apply lessons from it is usually fruitle

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
If you're referring to when you said "Generalites, like say someone mentioning the bible…", then no, I don't consider that an answer to my question. What I'm trying to discern from you is where the tipping point is between being tolerant and intolerant since you've accused me of it. See, I'v

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
Remember the part where I said it was already answered? . On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Zaphod wrote: > > I'll just take that "We're done" as a "nope, I can't answer that truthfully > because it would invalidate my own statement" > > Take care! > ~~

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
" It's just that as soon as you start referencing religion, I'm mostly going to tune you out as it's just as irrelevant to me as someone talking about the kind of horse feed their magical unicorn in their backyard eats." So, does this mean you could not support a political candidate who is relig

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Zaphod
wrote: >> >> Answer the question Sam. >> >> >> On Feb 12, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Sam wrote: >> >>> >>> You started reading a thread called: "Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer >>> Breakfast Speech" and then cried because he

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
9:57 AM, zaphod wrote: > > Answer the question Sam. > > > On Feb 12, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >> You started reading a thread called: "Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer >> Breakfast Speech" and then cried because he men

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread zaphod
Answer the question Sam. On Feb 12, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Sam wrote: > > You started reading a thread called: "Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer > Breakfast Speech" and then cried because he mentioned religion. > > Really? You want to try and defend yourself? >

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-12 Thread Sam
You started reading a thread called: "Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech" and then cried because he mentioned religion. Really? You want to try and defend yourself? . On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Zaphod wrote: > > So if this speech would have

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Zaphod
So if this speech would have started out with some references to the formation of the body thetans, you would have continued on reading because it would contain some interesting thoughts on policy in regards to body thetans? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Sam wrote: > > No

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Sam
Nope, I didn't ask you to read the bible. You boasted that you shut down the article once religion was mentioned. I assumed you had a point to make about being intolerant so I bit. . On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Zaphod wrote: > > What your argument boils down to is if there's enough people

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Zaphod
What your argument boils down to is if there's enough people that believe in it I should go ahead and give the ideas respect. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Sam wrote: > > You shouldn't tolerate everything, that would be too conflicting. > > Generalities, like say someone

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Sam
If you're sitting at the State of the Union and Obama mentions woman's Basketball and you get up and leave, you aren't tolerating it. Point is, if you're interested in reading an article but stop at the first reference to religion that's intolerance unworthy of bragging about. If he want's to flau

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread GMoney
It would seem to me that tolerating things that are of no interest to you, would necessitate you ignoring them, or taking little part in them. I have no interest in women's basketball, but I tolerate it just fine. Now...if you forced me to watch 8 straight hours of women's basketball, i'd probabl

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Sam
You shouldn't tolerate everything, that would be too conflicting. Generalities, like say someone mentioning the bible, you should learn to tolerate,. If he was trying to convert you than no. . On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Zaphod wrote: > > so tell me Sam, if I want to be tolerant in your

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Zaphod
I guess I also need to start inviting the 7th Day Adventists into my house instead of politely refusing them at the door. On Feb 11, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Zaphod wrote: > so tell me Sam, if I want to be tolerant in your eyes, do I need to show a > vested interest in what David Koresh's followe

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Zaphod
so tell me Sam, if I want to be tolerant in your eyes, do I need to show a vested interest in what David Koresh's followers believe, or how about the Heaven's gate people. I should recognize the validity of their beliefs because I would be intolerant otherwise? What about Raelists, Scientology

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Sam
Maybe you need to look up the word tolerance, turning your back and pretending they don't exist is not part of the definition. . On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:55 PM, zaphod wrote: > > wow! so just because I don't give any credibility to somebody's imaginary > friend, I'm intolerant? You must be

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its not worth replying to that troll. (I know like a fool I keep doing so). On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:55 PM, zaphod wrote: > > wow! so just because I don't give any credibility to somebody's imaginary > friend, I'm intolerant? You must be the king of intolerance Sam. > > > On Feb 11, 2013, at

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread zaphod
wow! so just because I don't give any credibility to somebody's imaginary friend, I'm intolerant? You must be the king of intolerance Sam. On Feb 11, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Sam wrote: > > Did you just +1000 for intolerance? > > . > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >>

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Sam
Did you just +1000 for intolerance? . On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > +1000 > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Zaphod wrote: > >> >> sure, I've got tolerance for religion. It's just that as soon as you >> start referencing religion, I'm mostly going to tune you ou

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
+1000 On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Zaphod wrote: > > sure, I've got tolerance for religion. It's just that as soon as you > start referencing religion, I'm mostly going to tune you out as it's just > as irrelevant to me as someone talking about the kind of horse feed their > magical unicor

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Zaphod
sure, I've got tolerance for religion. It's just that as soon as you start referencing religion, I'm mostly going to tune you out as it's just as irrelevant to me as someone talking about the kind of horse feed their magical unicorn in their backyard eats. but I've got nothing against anyone

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Sam
No tolerance for religion? . On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "He lost me at 'Proverbs'" > > Why? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
"He lost me at 'Proverbs'" Why? J - Some of my best memories are sitting on my dad’s lap, cheering on Olga and Nadia, Carl Lewis, and others for their brilliance and perfection. - Michelle Obama about the 1984 Olympics when she was 20 years old. ~~

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-11 Thread zaphod
He lost me at "Proverbs" On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Vivec wrote: > > AIIEE!!! > > WALL OF TEX!!! > > Run!!! Run for ye lives!! > > *flees* > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazo

Re: Dr. Ben Carson's National Prayer Breakfast Speech

2013-02-09 Thread Jerry Barnes
"AIIEE!!! WALL OF TEX!!!" Yeah. It's a lot and it's not for everyone. If you pay attention to politics though, you will hear about this speech for a while. This will be especially true if Dr. Carson does decide to move towards politics (I suspect he won't-he seems to be too down to e

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