"Perhaps I missed it in this very long thread, but have you provided any
evidence of organized voting fraud?"
Yes, you missed it on two points. You missed the evidence and there doesn't
need to be a distinction between organized and unorganized. No one, except
for you, has emphasized organized
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "Voter fraud is not a real problem. This has been shown over and over
> again."
>
> Your whole argument fails from this point on since it has been shown that it
> is a real problem. In Universe Judah, it is not a problem. In Universe
> Tru
"Why do you think that in the United States voters would be disenfranchised,
although they are not elsewhere with these same ID laws?"
Group think and herd mentality.
J
-
Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. -
Henry Kissinger
Politicians are people who, w
"Voter fraud is not a real problem. This has been shown over and over
again."
Your whole argument fails from this point on since it has been shown that it
is a real problem. In Universe Judah, it is not a problem. In Universe
Truth, it is.
"Voting is a Constitutional right. That sets a very h
Sam wrote:
>
> Glad to see you agree it was Gore that tried to steel the election.
>
Who knows who tried what? That's the whole problem you see. Not IDs.
Oh, hey, look! Anonymous hacker Abhaxas writes:
"So, this is a little ironic. Here is inside details of florida voting
systems. Now.. who
Vivec wrote:
>
> Why do you think that in the United States voters would be disenfranchised,
> although they are not elsewhere with these same ID laws?
>
To be clear, nobody is saying that voter shouldn't have to identify
themselves. The question is HOW they do that.
I'm not sure, but I think
Maureen wrote:
>
> Judah, I don't always agree with you, but I stand in awe of how
> articulate you are.
>
Yeah! Very well said Judah!
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Antholo
Judah, I don't always agree with you, but I stand in awe of how
articulate you are.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Well, Jerry, the argument goes like this:
>
> Voter fraud is not a real problem. This has been shown over and over again.
>
> Voting is a Constitutional r
Glad to see you agree it was Gore that tried to steel the election.
You seem to be saying don't bother locking the front door because
burglars would use the back.
I can only scratch my head an think WTF?
:)
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Sam wrote:
>>
>> http://www.
What you don't take into account is what exists outside of the United
States.
ID Laws exist in many developed countries which have free and fair,
democratic elections.
They don't prevent these elections, and their voters are not
disenfranchised.
Why do you think that in the United States voters
Well, Jerry, the argument goes like this:
Voter fraud is not a real problem. This has been shown over and over again.
Voting is a Constitutional right. That sets a very high bar for being
able to keep someone, anyone, from exercising it.
"ID Laws", amongst others, have a historical basis for be
Sam wrote:
>
> http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/pbc_tampering.htm
>
I'm glad to see you agree with me on this one Sam!
Your link perfectly illustrates the core problem: due to the
dysfunctional system of collecting, attributing, and counting the
votes, the best anyone can do on th
"http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/pbc_tampering.htm";
Sam, why bother.
You are trying to give information to people that argue at worst that
"There may be errors in vote counting therefore fraud doesn't exist. "
Or at best
"There maybe errors in vote counting and fraud does contr
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/pbc_tampering.htm
.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Yeah, well, any claim that fraud is statistically significant is
> empirically not true: Bush v Gore
>
~|
Yeah, well, any claim that fraud is statistically significant is
empirically not true: Bush v Gore
On 7/1/11, Dana wrote:
>
> sigh and he keeps saying he knows it's a problem but won't say how.
> But enough. Almost missed an important deadline banging my head on
> this wall last week, and I have
sigh and he keeps saying he knows it's a problem but won't say how.
But enough. Almost missed an important deadline banging my head on
this wall last week, and I have another one to worry about now.
Later.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Dana wrote:
>>
>> I'd agree with
Dana wrote:
>
> I'd agree with this if I thought they were actually trying to count those
> votes.
>
Well there's that too. It just kinda stuns me how wrapped up in
histrionics people get about "fraud", when don't even have a decent
enough process to count the votes.
It's like having a blown
"Let me point out one more time: we don't even know if it's a problem
because it's a much smaller problem that counting votes!"
Blah, blah, blah, typical bonehead response since we do know it is a problem
and it does effect outcomes. Ignoring it doesn't make it so.
"Said another way, we can't
I'd agree with this if I thought they were actually trying to count those votes.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Jerry Barnes wrote:
>>
>> "The amount of voter fraud that's acceptable is the amount that is less than
>> the error in collecting, attributing, and counting th
Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "The amount of voter fraud that's acceptable is the amount that is less than
> the error in collecting, attributing, and counting the votes."
>
> Blah, blah, blah. Typical egghead, response. You can't throw up a 1%, .5%,
> .01%, or a .001%? With a percent established, ca
"Would you not consider Canada a free society? We have to show ID to vote
and it certainly doesn't disenfranchise our voter base."
Lousy troll :)
J
-
We dont need a lot of Jim DeMint disciples. As soon as they get here, we
need to co-opt them. - Trent Lott
~~~
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Medic wrote:
>
> Would you not consider Canada a free society? We have to show ID to vote and
> it certainly doesn't disenfranchise our voter base.
>
Based on the fact that he likened requiring ID to vote to be something
Hitler would do, I predict that he will sa
From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 01:02 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>
>
> Eric, are you saying free societies don't require ID to vote?
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:48 P
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
"The amount of voter fraud that's acceptable is the amount that is less than
the error in collecting, attributing, and counting the votes."
Blah, blah, blah. Typical egghead, response. You can't throw up a 1%, .5%,
.01%,
l.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 01:04 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> Except for the fact that free societies don't do this.
That could quite possibly be the most ludicrous thing
yup
-Original Message-
From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 01:02 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
Eric, are you saying free societies don't require ID to vote?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Eric Ro
"The amount of voter fraud that's acceptable is the amount that is less than
the error in collecting, attributing, and counting the votes."
Blah, blah, blah. Typical egghead, response. You can't throw up a 1%, .5%,
.01%, or a .001%? With a percent established, cases can be shown where the
fraud
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> Except for the fact that free societies don't do this.
That could quite possibly be the most ludicrous thing you have said on
these forums. And, given some of the doozies you have thrown out
before, that is quite an accomplishment.
--
Sc
itler comparison is valid.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 08:14 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>
>
> "I already answered it a bunch of times and
s are rigging the 2012 election
"I already answered it a bunch of times and multiple people have replied to
my answer (look 2 posts up)."
Didn't see any percentages. It's like a presidential debate. The moderator
will ask a question and neither candidate will answer. The moder
Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "I already answered it a bunch of times and multiple people have replied to
> my answer (look 2 posts up)."
>
> Didn't see any percentages. It's like a presidential debate. The moderator
> will ask a question and neither candidate will answer. The moderator will
> ignor
"I already answered it a bunch of times and multiple people have replied to
my answer (look 2 posts up)."
Didn't see any percentages. It's like a presidential debate. The moderator
will ask a question and neither candidate will answer. The moderator will
ignore this and move to the next questi
Jerry Barnes wrote:
> I understand. If you answer it then you have taken a stand that can be
> addressed.
>
I already answered it a bunch of times and multiple people have
replied to my answer (look 2 posts up).
Thus given you're as bored now as I am with this thread ... I'm sorry
but ... you
"(1.) You presume that IDs will stop fraud; they won't. It's like saying if
we make weed illegal, people will stop smoking it. They haven't. Fail."
You didn't answer the question (or others). How much voter fraud is
acceptable?
I understand. If you answer it then you have taken a stand that
+100,000
.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Medic wrote:
>
>>
>> If elections are inaccurate by 1% and fraud is 0.01% why would we risk
>> disenfranchising someone?
>>
>
> I think you'd need to be a special kind of idiot to be disenfranchised for
> having to prove your identity as a voter. P
A State or Federal issued id is not easy to forge.
The id that gets kids into bars are fake college id which most bars
don't accept, out of state license which is easy to forge because most
bartenders don't know what other licenses look like but will not allow
you to vote, and then there's your si
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Scott Stroz wrote:
>>
>> As long as the other IDs are photo IDs, not easily forged and
>> generally accepted as valid forms of ID, I am actually OK with
>> everything except 'vouched for'. But, thanx for putting words into my
>> mouth.
>>
>
Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> As long as the other IDs are photo IDs, not easily forged and
> generally accepted as valid forms of ID, I am actually OK with
> everything except 'vouched for'. But, thanx for putting words into my
> mouth.
>
All IDs are easily forged and the "vouched for" requires ID, ju
Medic wrote:
>
>>
>> If elections are inaccurate by 1% and fraud is 0.01% why would we risk
>> disenfranchising someone?
>>
>
Common misconception of the issue: The question is not *IF* you prove
identity, it's *HOW* you prove identity.
I provided the State of MN rules which allow for, say,
Not if you are trying to throw an election and create actual fraud.
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 03:02 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
Case 1: Not how it works. Poll workers don&#
.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Scott Stroz wrote:
>>
>> Possible to forge? Yes. Easy? I don't think its as easy as you and
>> Gruss are making it out to be.
>>
>
> If elections are inaccurate by 1% and fraud is 0.01% why would we
> risk disenfranchising someone?
>
> If elections are inaccurate by 1% and fraud is 0.01% why would we risk
> disenfranchising someone?
>
I think you'd need to be a special kind of idiot to be disenfranchised for
having to prove your identity as a voter. Probably best people like that
don't vote anyway.
~~~
Case 1: Not how it works. Poll workers don't let people vote based on
their name being on a birth record, they have lists of registered
voters with name, age, and address. You can show a voter registration
card, or picture ID. Phone bills, etc..not acceptable.
Case 2: If the person had a fake
Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Possible to forge? Yes. Easy? I don't think its as easy as you and
> Gruss are making it out to be.
>
If elections are inaccurate by 1% and fraud is 0.01% why would we
risk disenfranchising someone?
This is one of those poll-engineered "issues" designed to appeal to
p
y
> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>
>
> You do realize case 2 would be prevented with photo id?
>
> .
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>>
>> Scott Stroz wrote:
>>>
>>> I will say this one more t
Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> someone else - a real someone else, not a made up name, it would be
> for more nefarious reasons than trying to vote as that person.
>
I know one guy who has fake ID to get student pricing on movies and to
use a student library.
I know another guy who has a fake ID to get
Sam wrote:
>
> You do realize case 2 would be prevented with photo id?
>
I'm laughing because from 16-21, I purchased alcohol with a fake ID.
Anybody with about 15 minutes of practice can fake a photo ID in 30
seconds or less.
~~~
Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> I do not think it is unreasonable to ask a person to verify -
> reasonably - that they are who they claim to be. State issued ID, of
> any kind, would be the cheapest and most effective way to handle this.
Yet I just clearly explained to you with clear examples that is, in
If it is not to prevent voter fraud, then what is the point?
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 08:49 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
I never said that I thought ID is a way to prevent
No...as he stated, the ID could be easily faked.
-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 08:40 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
You do realize case 2 would be prevented with photo id?
.
On Sun
I never said that I thought ID is a way to prevent voter fraud.
For the last time.
I do not think it is unreasonable to ask a person to verify -
reasonably - that they are who they claim to be. State issued ID, of
any kind, would be the cheapest and most effective way to handle this.
Asking for
You do realize case 2 would be prevented with photo id?
.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Scott Stroz wrote:
>>
>> I will say this one more time. I think there is nothing wrong with
>> reasonably asking someone to prove they are who they say they are when
>> they go to
Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> I will say this one more time. I think there is nothing wrong with
> reasonably asking someone to prove they are who they say they are when
> they go to vote - which i consider to be the most important thing we
> can do as citizens. Telling the volunteer sitting at the poll
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Scott Stroz wrote:
>>
>> Hold up there, Slick.
>>
>> I never said that requiring ID caused voter turnout to increase. I
>> merely pointed out that it did not seem to 'disenfranchise' voters in
>> those states.
>>
>
> But why take the risk, w
Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Hold up there, Slick.
>
> I never said that requiring ID caused voter turnout to increase. I
> merely pointed out that it did not seem to 'disenfranchise' voters in
> those states.
>
But why take the risk, when IDs don't do a thing towards the end goal
of decreasing inaccu
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 07:48 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>
>
> You, and others, are claiming that requiring ID to vote would
> 'disenfra
urned away and
there was a net gain as a result of the increased turnout rather than
because they required IDs.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 07:48 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
y, June 25, 2011 08:24 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>
>
> You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief that
> requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters?
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 20
Scary Cow is the local film co-op. I do some volunteer stuff with
them - mostly mentoring the youngsters, but I also have some paying
gigs - History Channel and National Geography type stuff. Some of
these documentaries are gorgeous. Hoping I can come up with music
beautiful enough to match the
Scary Cow isn't it? Been watching that in a back-burner kinda way. I
thought you changed again after you changed the number when you moved
to Marin. If not I probably do have the #. Will investigate one of
these days. I am not in Santa Cruz County any more by the way. Too
much random madness to co
Darn..that was obviously supposed to be off list but I guess my cut
and paste didn't take.
Oh, well. Now you know more about me than you probably ever wanted to know.
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Maureen wrote:
~|
Order
Moved to Marin in April, 2010 but I've talked to you since then. I
don't have your number because I lost my phone but the replacement
phone has the same number for me. Fairly sure that's the one you
have.
I go to meetups when they don't conflict with sound gigs or film
shoots. I'm doing more o
He did not explain his thought processes, but my understanding was
that he decided that public safety would not be improved by citing me.
Not that I am sure what he would have cited me for. The ramp from Hwy
1 southbound to Airport Blvd meets a side road in a T junction. You
have to make a left f
no, actually, didn't you change it a couple months back, lol? Maybe we
should have a chat off-list. In reality, I'd probably call my sister,
who would not have to struggle over the Golden Gate Bridge. But we
should get together. Do you ever go to any of the Adobe meetups? I
usually make the ones i
If the CHP officer had done his job correctly, you would have had a
very different experience. I assume he used digression because it was
a casual stop.
If you are responsible for an accident, or commit a serious traffic
violation, you'll be up that well known tributary with no adequate
means of
Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> Just how much voter fraud is acceptable?
>
(1.) You presume that IDs will stop fraud; they won't. It's like
saying if we make weed illegal, people will stop smoking it. They
haven't. Fail.
(2.) Fraud is simply one component of election inaccuracies, and
probably the s
-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief that
requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters?
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> Eric
>
> I know you may
you apparently missed the story about where I was pulled over by CHP.
Did not happen that way at all.
I am sure you know what you are talking about, but I suspect you have
to ask for immigration data, because nobody ever has brought
immigration status up with me, ever, any of the times I have tal
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would
>>>>> have
>>>>> more information already, it would give them greater access to our
>>>>> information. While I don't k
Every jurisdiction issues a voter registration card to every
registered voter, which will work fine for voting. So not being able
to obtain an "ID" for whatever reason is moot.
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> The bigger government argument fails on all fronts. It has
It's not hard to process. You were issued documents that you are
required to have in your possession and you do not have them.
You think they will let you off with a slap on the hand, but that's
not what is going to happen. Unless you happen to be within the city
limits of San Francisco, if you
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would
>>>> have
>>>> more information already, it would give them greater access to our
>>>> information. While I don't know of any specific examples
ore information already, it would give them greater access to our
>>> information. While I don't know of any specific examples, I am sure they
>>> exist. For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to
>>> like bigger government.
>>>
&g
How cute, old socialists in live.
You two make a perfect couple :)
.
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> Eric
>
> I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with
> these guys for years.
>
> I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not
> g
ne that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to
>> like bigger government.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: How stat
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eric Roberts
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Who said because of having an id? I sure didn't. I said there was a
>>> history of government spying on the people. Please read before
>>> opening mouth Scott.
>>>
>>> -
A drivers license is a State issued ID. The same ID the state would
ask for when you vote.
.
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> sigh. And you don't need ID to drive. You need a driver's license.
>
~|
Order the
I am not the one advocating disenfranchising voters...
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 06:29 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
I have never said (in this thread or any other) that I
ves in a smaller government, you sure seem to
> like bigger government.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>
>
&
lol
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Eric Roberts wrote:
>>
>> What if he doesn't smoke? *grin*
>>
>
> They all smoke Eric. It's just how this kind of thing works. It'll
> make more sense if you read this in a Rush Limbaugh voice.
>
>
~~
"I have never said (in this thread or any other) that I 'believe in smaller
government' nor do I think requiring people to show ID in order to vote
qualifies as 'bigger government'."
The bigger government argument fails on all fronts. It has been shown to
the point of absurdity that an insignifi
For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to
> like bigger government.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012
"These guys let WAY too many people tell them how to think."
That's actually completely opposite of what is happening. Democrats are
saying"This is bad :(" and you are jumping on board.
"(1.) Democrats rig elections with free cigarettes"
Proven true.
"(2.) We can stop those pesky Dems with I
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
"I very well may be playing with the dumb ..."
You're going to go blind . . .
"Look, I didn't say there is zero voter fraud, I said it is statistically
insignificant."
Just how much voter
are rigging the 2012 election
"I very well may be playing with the dumb ..."
You're going to go blind . . .
"Look, I didn't say there is zero voter fraud, I said it is statistically
insignificant."
Just how much voter fraud is acceptable?
How much voter di
LOL
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 04:42 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
Eric Roberts wrote:
>
> What if he doesn't smoke? *grin*
>
They all smoke Eric. It's
"I very well may be playing with the dumb ..."
You're going to go blind . . .
"Look, I didn't say there is zero voter fraud, I said it is statistically
insignificant."
Just how much voter fraud is acceptable?
How much voter disenfranchisement is acceptable?
Isn't voter fraud disenfranchising
Eric Roberts wrote:
>
> What if he doesn't smoke? *grin*
>
They all smoke Eric. It's just how this kind of thing works. It'll
make more sense if you read this in a Rush Limbaugh voice.
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology
"ya, most state will fine you $25 or so for the inconvenience of making sure
you are legit."
It is police discretion on what to do. Some will let you go (though not
likely in the day of huge state budget deficits), they will fine you (most
likely and it's more than 25 dollars here - 10 times mor
What if he doesn't smoke? *grin*
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 04:35 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
Dana wrote:
>
> jesus you too?
These guys let WAY too many peopl
Dana wrote:
>
> jesus you too?
These guys let WAY too many people tell them how to think. Here's
their argument:
(1.) Democrats rig elections with free cigarettes
(2.) We can stop those pesky Dems with IDs.
Oh no! How can you beat that rock solid security!! I mean those old
ladies checkin
Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "What's been debunked?"
>
> You're playing dumb now.
>
>
I very well may be playing with the dumb ...
Look, I didn't say there is zero voter fraud, I said it is
statistically insignificant. I will wager it's smaller than the error
that exists in counting the votes in th
Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth Eric.
>
> I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people
> because they have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement
> about the 'illegal domestic wiretaps'.
>
That's an eas
bject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
There is a difference between not having your license on you and not being a
licensed driver. The former will get you a small fine, the latter a much
larger fine.
If you have a driver's license, then you have an ID, making your 'I have
Not everyone drives.
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 09:42 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
"no. it is the privilege to drive."
A driver's license is verification
em to
like bigger government.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth
Eric.
I aske
jesus you too? My wallet was stolen. It contained my alien
registration card, my driver's license, $350 and the key to my son's
car. I cannot get a driver's license in California until I replace the
alien registration card. Doing so costs $450. I have had other uses
for my money.
So you have itex
There is a difference between not having your license on you and not
being a licensed driver. The former will get you a small fine, the
latter a much larger fine.
If you have a driver's license, then you have an ID, making your 'I
have no ID' comment inaccurate.
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:17 PM,
You claimed you did not have an ID, and then said you have a driver's
license. I am merely pointing out that becasue you have a driver's
license, you also have an ID...they serve a dual purpose.
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> jesus. You're not really this stupid -- you must be
typing ability not linked to intelligence :) But ya, saw that just
after I hit send ;)
> "If not, my bad for think you were intelligent. Either way, peace out."
>
> Proof read before questioning intelligence.
>
> J
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